TEFL/CELTA/CELT answers...

DetteDublin

tinpib, great post, thank you. Regarding the difference between CELTA and CELT, what is it that you would need "to explain to employers".

According to the Dublin School of English ..."Now that CELT is officially equivalent to the CELTA and TESOL qualifications, you are assured of an industry standard and recognised qualification".

The cost of the CELT is about 990, the CELTA is about 1700 (with IH) and funding this is a big issue for us. Thanks.

tinpib

DetteDublin wrote: »

tinpib, great post, thank you. Regarding the difference between CELTA and CELT, what is it that you would need "to explain to employers".

According to the Dublin School of English ..."Now that CELT is officially equivalent to the CELTA and TESOL qualifications, you are assured of an industry standard and recognised qualification".

The cost of the CELT is about 990, the CELTA is about 1700 (with IH) and funding this is a big issue for us. Thanks.

Hi Dette,

I can put down 'CELTA qualified' in an email or on my CV and I know the employer will recognise the qualification. So case closed.

If I put down CELT qualified. Will the employer know or not it is the same? Will I need to explain that it is the same? Should I explain in my email that CELT is the same or not? Will the employer care or not? Will it affect my job prospects or not?

Because of this potential hassle I chose CELTA over CELT. I didn't want any of that to be at the back of my mind when applying for work.

I understand there is a huge difference in price alright.

Where do you plan on working? Ireland or abroad?

Probably best to do more research on it, maybe other CELT qualified people can chip in. playedalive above has said they haven't had any problems and two people on their course haven't problems teaching abroad.

spurious

playedalive wrote: »

Well definitely in Ireland where it's hard for a young languages graduate who is competing against qualified secondary/primary teachers and people who knew people and got into schools

I appreciate you're disappointed, but wild accusations will not get you anywhere here - perhaps the reason they got the jobs was because they were qualified teachers, with experience?

playedalive

queensinead wrote: »

Is there any realistic possibility of getting TEFL work here in Ireland (apart from July or August) on any kind of an on-going basis for someone with an English BA 2:1, a Masters and a CELT qualification---plus some on-off, part-time TEFL teaching experience in Dublin?

Or should that person just cut their losses and see CELT as a qualification that you use abroad, or when travelling outside Ireland, and either move abroad or try to go into some other field here in Ireland ?

Is there any realistic hope of any TEFL work over the Winter months here in Ireland?

Hi! I wrote a response to your post over the weekend but had written it incoherently in anger and wasn't communicating the main message.So I took it down.

Personally, I think it is easier to get work from your CELT/ CELTA abroad than in Ireland. From my experience, The schools in Dublin anyway are very competitive and, as somebody who is reasonably fresh from a TEFL course, I have been unable to get experience alone in Ireland. I can only get work one week at a time in different schools. There are so many teachers that employers can let you go as soon as a more experienced teacher comes around. I wish employers would have been more honest with me and told me from the very start that they could only offer me a week based on my experience.

While TEFL can be a very rewarding job, I wouldn't recommend it to people who will be only using it to find work solely in Ireland. It is more of a possibility to find more fulfilling work abroad than in Ireland as the competition with other teachers is tough.

ellie.zareva

Hi all,

Is anyone willing to sell ‘Teaching English Grammar – What to Teach and How to Teach it’, Jim Scrivener, MacMillan 2010 and ‘Learning Teaching’ (3rd Edition), Jim Scrivener, MacMillan 2011?

Thanks!

woodstock1708

Hello everyone,

I thought I might try posting here before putting these on adverts.ie, as teachers may be looking for these.

I have the following Past Papers books with audio CDs and keys, and I'd like to sell them as I'm transitioning from teaching TEFL into another line of work.

They are extremely useful!

- CAE Cambridge Advanced Past Papers 2 (C1)
- CAE Cambridge Advanced Past Papers 4 (C1)
- FCE Cambridge First Certificate Past Papers 5 (B2)
- PET Cambridge Preliminary Past Papers 6 (B1)
- IELTS Past Papers 4

All of these books are in pristine condition, with no writing whatsoever in them. All come with original CDs, in perfect condition.

I'm located in Dublin 2 and can meet you anywhere in the city centre area.

These books generally sell for between 30 and 40 pounds on Amazon (new). I'd like to get 20 euros per book or could do a deal for all 5 books.

Please PM me if you're interested.

hansbo

Hey lads,

I am currently teaching TEFL in Spain, have been for the last 2 years. My girlfriend is Spanish and is interested in doing a TEFL course. She has a C2 level of English. I've recommended her to do the CELTA course but due to time and money she cant, so we are looking at other courses.

Are there any courses you would recommend for a non-native?

We hope to find work outside Spain but remain in Europe.

Cheers in advance!

tazbars

Hi All,

I am in the middle of completing an Online 120 hour TEFLink course and I was wondering if anybody has complted this course and have found it beneficial - I just want to make sure I'm not wasting my time.

Thanks a mill

Choccie Lover

tazbars wrote: »

Hi All,

I am in the middle of completing an Online 120 hour TEFLink course and I was wondering if anybody has complted this course and have found it beneficial - I just want to make sure I'm not wasting my time.

Thanks a mill

Hi,

I don't know of that particular organisation.

To be honest, online certs aren't really the best way to go about securing work in the TEFL world. Of course, there are exceptions, but really a course with observed teaching practice is what attracts employers (ie CELTA,TESOL etc).

But, you have bought the course now, so take what you can from it. I'm sure there is some useful stuff on there about lesson planning, language awareness, classroom management etc.

What are your plans with teaching TEFL? That's really the important thing. In Asia, you can get away without certification of any kind (provided you have a degree). In Europe, it becomes more problematic.

dwayneshintzy

Just checking; has anyone done the CELTA part-time in the International House in Dublin? I've just applied for it, wondering if anyone had experience of working full-time and doing the course? And how they found it?

ClaireMarie

Hi, I have a BSc degree in Biomedical Science, would that combined with the CELTA be adequate for me to teach abroad? Or would they specifically be looking for people with English/Communications/Languages,etc. degrees?
Also, does anyone have experience of the part-time CELTA courses? Would it be possible to hold down a job at the same time? The CELTA part time course I'm looking at is 2 days a week 9-5.

Choccie Lover

ClaireMarie wrote: »

Hi, I have a BSc degree in Biomedical Science, would that combined with the CELTA be adequate for me to teach abroad? Or would they specifically be looking for people with English/Communications/Languages,etc. degrees?
Also, does anyone have experience of the part-time CELTA courses? Would it be possible to hold down a job at the same time? The CELTA part time course I'm looking at is 2 days a week 9-5.

Sure, that's fine to teach abroad.

I haven't done a part-time CELTA course, but know some people that did and they said it was just about manageable. That's why it's there I suppose....to accommodate people who wish to continue working. On the other hand, if you end up going the full-time route with the CELTA course, even having a part-time job wouldn't be feasible. The full-time course is very intense and takes up all your free time.

ClaireMarie

Choccie Lover wrote: »

Sure, that's fine to teach abroad.

I haven't done a part-time CELTA course, but know some people that did and they said it was just about manageable. That's why it's there I suppose....to accommodate people who wish to continue working. On the other hand, if you end up going the full-time route with the CELTA course, even having a part-time job wouldn't be feasible. The full-time course is very intense and takes up all your free time.

Ok great, thanks for the reply!!

dwayneshintzy

I've gotten into the part-time course in IH, starting the week of February 2nd. Face to face/teaching time seems to be 2pm - 5pm on Fridays, and 9am - 1:30pm on Saturdays for 12 weeks (I've made arrangements with work to have half days on a Friday).

Know I've asked before, but anyone one here have experience of working fulltime and doing this course in the International House?

moses23

Hi, thinking of doing the CELT course in Dublin but I'm slightly wary. My friend is qualified with CELTA and has taught English for the past few years. She doesn't seem to think CELT will be as highly regarded abroad as CELTA would be though. Has anyone out there actually used the CELT qualification abroad as well as at home? Thanks

madmoe

moses23 wrote: »

Hi, thinking of doing the CELT course in Dublin but I'm slightly wary. My friend is qualified with CELTA and has taught English for the past few years. She doesn't seem to think CELT will be as highly regarded abroad as CELTA would be though. Has anyone out there actually used the CELT qualification abroad as well as at home? Thanks

I looked at it this way mate! The CELT is about €1,000 (I think) and when I did the CELTA last year it was around €1,700 with Kaplan. If I am gonna spend the €1,000 then why not go ahead and spend the extra €700 and get the qualification that has Cambridge recognition!? The decision was easy for me as I had the extra €700 to hand to pay for it but if you do not have the extra €700 then it would be a harder decision no doubt! I'm working in France since September of last year and I have no doubt that having the CELTA helped me secure my job!

Hope this helps,
M

Choccie Lover

moses23 wrote: »

Hi, thinking of doing the CELT course in Dublin but I'm slightly wary. My friend is qualified with CELTA and has taught English for the past few years. She doesn't seem to think CELT will be as highly regarded abroad as CELTA would be though. Has anyone out there actually used the CELT qualification abroad as well as at home? Thanks

Depends on where you want to go really......

If you intend sticking with TEFL for a while and can afford the extra cash, I would just go with the CELTA. It's just easier and you won't run into questions about your certification wherever you go.

But if you let us know what countries you are thinking of, maybe we can give you some ideas....

CiboC

CELT and CELTA are equivalent There is not any truth behind the assertion that CELTA is more recognised, certainly not now.

What you will find is that people who have done CELTA will recommend it, as will those who have done a CELT. They are effectively the same course. Recognition of the CELT course is widespread, as much as CELTA.

bmartinh

Hi Guys, very interesting thread. I was thinking of getting a CELTA or CELT qualification for myself, only doubt that I have is if it is a real problem to find a job abroad teaching english being a non native speaker. In my case I am thinking of getting the CAE certificate first and then get the CELTA on top of that and hope for the best. What countries are more restrictive about this? I was thinking of going to Asia to get some experience and then trying less permissive countries with this issue. Any help would be hugely appreciated!


Borja

Choccie Lover

bmartinh wrote: »

Hi Guys, very interesting thread. I was thinking of getting a CELTA or CELT qualification for myself, only doubt that I have is if it is a real problem to find a job abroad teaching english being a non native speaker. In my case I am thinking of getting the CAE certificate first and then get the CELTA on top of that and hope for the best. What countries are more restrictive about this? I was thinking of going to Asia to get some experience and then trying less permissive countries with this issue. Any help would be hugely appreciated!


Borja

Hi Borja,

Not sure how permissive Asian countries are with regard to being non-native.....Certainly in Korea or Japan, they would be very strict about only hiring native teachers (.....at least as fas as I'm aware)......Not sure of Thailand, China, Vietnam, etc......Maybe someone on here knows more.

Are you Spanish? Your name sounds like it is? :-) Would you be interested in working in Spain? From what I've seen, some academies are open to hiring non-natives if their level is high enough. Not sure about the rest of Europe.

madmoe

Choccie Lover wrote: »

Hi Borja,

Not sure how permissive Asian countries are with regard to being non-native.....Certainly in Korea or Japan, they would be very strict about only hiring native teachers (.....at least as fas as I'm aware)......Not sure of Thailand, China, Vietnam, etc......Maybe someone on here knows more.

Are you Spanish? Your name sounds like it is? :-) Would you be interested in working in Spain? From what I've seen, some academies are open to hiring non-natives if their level is high enough. Not sure about the rest of Europe.

I work in France and we have a French girl with an extremely high level of English working for us.....so it is possible!

Cheers,
M

Naoko

Does anybody know of language schools or summer camps anywhere in France that might need teachers between mid-July and late August this year?

I know most of the classes take place during the school year but I'd go to any part of the country if there was even a small amount of work available.

I have a master's in English, PGDE, CELTA and experience.

bmartinh

Hi ChoccieLover thanks for your reply, yes I am spanish but I want to do a little of more living abroad before I go back home. I thought Asia might be the easiest option but apparently not or depends on the country. I was travelling in Thailand this summer and they dont seem to be very strict about anything. Does someone know more on the matter?

Borja

MightyMc92

Just a quick question lads and lassies.i got a phone call yesterday off a love tefl representative,after I liked a link on the love tefl page on Facebook.the rep offered me a 120hour course for €152,reduced by 15% from €179 and open until 18:30pm Irish time this evening.i was wondering has anyone availed of this course before,I know it's accredited by the odlqc but is it accredited by the department of education?

woodstock1708

MightyMc92 wrote: »

Just a quick question lads and lassies.i got a phone call yesterday off a love tefl representative,after I liked a link on the love tefl page on Facebook.the rep offered me a 120hour course for €152,reduced by 15% from €179 and open until 18:30pm Irish time this evening.i was wondering has anyone availed of this course before,I know it's accredited by the odlqc but is it accredited by the department of education?

This seems a little too good to be true... can you post the link please?

A good TEFL course is indeed over 100 hours, but that's time spent in the school, learning from good tutors and doing observed teaching practice... these cost more than 1000€ in Dublin city centre, perhaps closer to 2000€ now. (I did mine in 2011, so prices have changed.)

MightyMc92

Just a quick question lads and lassies.i got a phone call yesterday off a love tefl representative,after I liked a link on the love tefl page on Facebook.the rep offered me a 120hour course for €152,reduced by 15% from €179 and open until 18:30pm Irish time this evening.i was wondering has anyone availed of this course before,I know it's accredited by the odlqc but is it accredited by the department of education?

MightyMc92

woodstock1708 wrote: »

This seems a little too good to be true... can you post the link please?

A good TEFL course is indeed over 100 hours, but that's time spent in the school, learning from good tutors and doing observed teaching practice... these cost more than 1000€ in Dublin city centre, perhaps closer to 2000€ now. (I did mine in 2011, so prices have changed.)

Thanks for getting back to me so quick.This website says im not allowed post links as I am a new user but if you go onto the love tefl facebook page its the fifth status down the page, dated the 26th of June and it says ''want to win a free tefl course" with a pic of three boats. I spoke to the rep again there,she gave me a call on a private number(through skype) she was a very fast-talker and when i questioned her asking her if the course was accredited by the irish dep of education,she said she didnt know but that it was accredited by the ODLQC. Once I asked the question she wasnt too interested in me after that as she knew i wasnt going to pay for the course there and then. Is there many tefl courses that are accredited by the dep of education or would i have to do a celta course?

woodstock1708

It really depends on what you want to do with it.

I did the CELTA at International House Dublin in 2011 - the month-long intensive. I already had teaching experience - I was a high school Spanish teacher in the US and had been teaching English privately in Spain for several years - and I still learned a lot on the CELTA course.

If you want to make a career of teaching English, you should do the CELTA course, either here in Dublin or somewhere else. Something online is just not going to cut it.

If you want to travel and teach to scrape by, an online course might be the right option. But if you want to be a good teacher and get a job at a good school, you'll need a real CELTA course.

That being said, it is a dead end career, money-wise. I love teaching, but I have to work an insane number of hours to make a decent salary.

You're welcome to PM me with further questions.

gaiscioch

MightyMc92 wrote: »

Thanks for getting back to me so quick.This website says im not allowed post links as I am a new user but if you go onto the love tefl facebook page its the fifth status down the page, dated the 26th of June and it says ''want to win a free tefl course" with a pic of three boats. I spoke to the rep again there,she gave me a call on a private number(through skype) she was a very fast-talker and when i questioned her asking her if the course was accredited by the irish dep of education,she said she didnt know but that it was accredited by the ODLQC. Once I asked the question she wasnt too interested in me after that as she knew i wasnt going to pay for the course there and then. Is there many tefl courses that are accredited by the dep of education or would i have to do a celta course?

Be prepared to spend at least €1000 if you want to get a serious course. The ACELS CELT costs c. €1000. ACELS is the Irish Department of Education accrediting body, and CELT is the name of its own course. ACELS also recognises courses of a similar quality: TCL, CertESOL, and CELTA. The CELTA course is, however, c. €1500. CELT & CELTA are the two main awards for efl teachers in Ireland. If your qualification is not ACELS accredited (check the ACELS website), I wouldn't give it the time of day, particularly if you'd like to find employment as an EFL teacher in Ireland at some stage.

MightyMc92

A lot of people I have been talking to,who have went to Dubai,seem to have got in through Sabis Educational Services,having done an online tefl course. The only problem is If i do the course and choose to send an application form to sabis now I wont make it for the start of the calender year. i.e. September, it will be January before I am called and if i go in the middle of the year, I may not be contracted to a school and only get sub hours here and there,which will be no good to me. The desire for me to go in September is big but I am going to America at the end of July for two weeks and I wont have sufficient time to do a 4 week celt course which is accredited by the irish dep of education and go to do dubai in September. No doubt, I will need more time. Has anyone here taught english as a foreign language in Thailand,or know of the correct way to go about applying for jobs there.