In the Name of the Fada

Múinteoir

Des Bishop's new show on his experience of learning Irish from scratch, begins tonight. See the promo here on the RTÉ website.

Amz

Jaysus, he's been talking about that show for so long that I assumed it had been shown already.

MrJoeSoap

Was a good enough first episode. It's kinda funny but the point he is trying to get across is a valid and worthy one. Fair dues to him.

Or... maith an fear.

Basq

It was alright.. not a big Des Bishop fan but it was marginally interesting.

Although since when could fellow students listen in on what was being said in the Oral Irish exam? Come on RTÉ.. we're not morons! :rolleyes:

Toto Wolfcastle

Crap I missed it. The one bloody show I've been harping on at my students about! Will it be on the RTE website?

Todoquetengo

yeah i wouldn't be a fan of his either but it was funny enough, most of us can identify with the jokes anyway :pac:

But if he starts preaching like he did on on the minimum wage show (what was that called again??) it'll put me off though

Basq

Todoquetengo wrote: »

But if he starts preaching like he did on on the minimum wage show (what was that called again??) it'll put me off though

The Des Bishop Work Experience... i think!

MrJoeSoap

basquille wrote: »

The Des Bishop Work Experience... i think!

Sin é!ِ

Toto Wolfcastle

Todoquetengo wrote: »

yeah i wouldn't be a fan of his either but it was funny enough, most of us can identify with the jokes anyway :pac:

But if he starts preaching like he did on on the minimum wage show (what was that called again??) it'll put me off though

What I think is great about the show is that he's saying what everyone else is thinking. Even as an Irish teacher I can identify with some of what he was saying in the promos. (I haven't seen the show so I am only going on the promos.)

He was going on about how a lot of words aren't pronounced like they are spelt, like 'bhfuil', and it's so true. (Try getting firsts years to pronounce 'chomh'!)

Todoquetengo

Yeah he did make some valid points alright, think it'll prob help the discussion about how the language is taught, I speak two European languages better than I can speak Irish cos they were taught completly different but maybe that's another thread...

was funny when he was talking about the three different words for 2, do, dha and beirt

Toto Wolfcastle

Feckit lads, anything that gets people speaking the Irish language, whether they are right or wrong, is ok in my book! I love when people make an effort. And Des Bishop will help the revival! (Which is already happening amongst young people!)

Múinteoir

janeybabe wrote: »

Crap I missed it. The one bloody show I've been harping on at my students about! Will it be on the RTE website?

I hope so, because I missed it too. Though it is an entire series and not just one show.

Das Kitty

I saw the last 15 minutes.

Himself is from that neck of the woods (Inverin) so he was having great craic spotting everyone. His sister was in the Irish class with him.

I had to laugh at the Paddy's Day parade. George Bush, Osama and Sadam shooting each other with supersoakers. Only in Carraroe!

He may not have thought it at the time but he picked it up quite quickly. I loved the little lad teaching him about about the donkeys.

BaZmO*

Des Bishop is from America? And he came over here while he was in his early teens?? That must've been mad for him trying to adjust to our ways and different customs. I'd love to hear more about his experiences.

kittensoft1984

BaZmO* wrote: »

Des Bishop is from America? And he came over here while he was in his early teens?? That must've been mad for him trying to adjust to our ways and different customs. I'd love to hear more about his experiences.

there are a number of websites out there that tell you how great he is!

and yes im not a big fan but this was good.

Saint_Mel

BaZmO* wrote: »

Des Bishop is from America? And he came over here while he was in his early teens?? That must've been mad for him trying to adjust to our ways and different customs. I'd love to hear more about his experiences.

I remember hearing him a few years ago on about the move over here.
He said he was getting in with the wrong kind of crowd and got in to drinking
at a young age ... so to combat this his parents sent him to Ireland

BaZmO*

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

and yes im not a big fan but this was good.

I watched it last night and thought it was alright, but it was just your typical Des Bishop fodder, i.e. outsider looking in and then commenting on "how mad ye all are!"

I think he only does these shows so that he can get new material.......oh and I'm sure the money helps too!

Earthhorse

BaZmO* wrote: »

Des Bishop is from America? And he came over here while he was in his early teens?? That must've been mad for him trying to adjust to our ways and different customs. I'd love to hear more about his experiences.

Me too, but only if he puts it into rap form.

KerranJast

It was a good show. I did Honours Irish for the LC and Pass French (because I had 6 other Honours subjects). I got a B2 and A1 respectively yet can speak better French than Irish at this stage as more emphasis was placed on the conversational aspect of it.

cadburys

does anyone know if it's repeated as i missed it?

Múinteoir

cadburys wrote: »

does anyone know if it's repeated as i missed it?

You can watch it online here

lostexpectation

he's doing his job bazmo, he's bit of lefty, as seen in work experience, so alot of the rightist national celtic gaelgoir people don't like him, love to see andrew maxwell get his own show.

Toto Wolfcastle

Just watched it, his Irish oral was hilarious! I can see it getting confusing for those with very little Irish. My friend in France was delighted that it was online, she misses the Irish!

r3nu4l

A great show and a very worthy cause! I really liked it! Well done RTE

Peared

BaZmO* wrote: »

Des Bishop is from America? And he came over here while he was in his early teens?? That must've been mad for him trying to adjust to our ways and different customs. I'd love to hear more about his experiences.

Heh

Jackz

Peared wrote: »

Heh

Apparanently immersions were a major hurdle for him.

tintin67

Just watched this on video. Obviously I'm being hideously old-fashioned here, out of date and a Joe Duffy crank caller. But, is there any real need for Des to say the word 'f**k' and its variants as every sixth word when he's doing his 'comedy' turn? No-one is shocked by this word anymore. It's just that it is actually quite boring to hear someone repeat the same word ad nauseum. A bit like someone who says "ya know worra mean" at the end of every sentence. The English language is a terrific language, as is the Irish language. No need to use the 'f' word as an easy substitute for another beautiful English word you could easily use.

Toto Wolfcastle

tintin67 wrote: »

Just watched this on video. Obviously I'm being hideously old-fashioned here, out of date and a Joe Duffy crank caller. But, is there any real need for Des to say the word 'f**k' and its variants as every sixth word when he's doing his 'comedy' turn? No-one is shocked by this word anymore. It's just that it is actually quite boring to hear someone repeat the same word ad nauseum. A bit like someone who says "ya know worra mean" at the end of every sentence. The English language is a terrific language, as is the Irish language. No need to use the 'f' word as an easy substitute for another beautiful English word you could easily use.

I honestly think it might just be habit at this stage. No need for it, but maybe he just can't stop.

r3nu4l

Perhaps it's a trait of the Gaeilgóir? I saw Dara O'Briain in the Cambridge Corn Exchange last week and every second word he said was "Fcuk", he's a native speaker too. Perhaps it's the Gaelgóir way of showing their displeasure at speaking English

Toto Wolfcastle

r3nu4l wrote: »

Perhaps it's a trait of the Gaeilgóir? I saw Dara O'Briain in the Cambridge Corn Exchange last week and every second word he said was "Fcuk", he's a native speaker too. Perhaps it's the Gaelgóir way of showing their displeasure at speaking English

Probably more of a trait of the Irish really! I wonder if Des was one of those Americans who nearly fainted when someone cursed in front of them before he arrived in Ireland?

Das Kitty

That's just reminded me, I saw Dara O'Briain doing a gig 100% in Irish when I was in college so it looks like he beat oul Des Bishop to it.

I also have a DVD of Eddie Izzard doing a gig in French in France which is just brilliant.

lostexpectation

that was tommy tiernans reasoning wasn't it for saying ****,maybe he could have toned it down for the audience he had.

Stephen

I liked the show - will be tuning in again this week.

Killaqueen!!!

Good show. I never even thought about the 'Dia dhuit' thing. So if you're atheist you can't speak Irish? Damn straight..:P

Creachadóir

A friend of mine who is a teacher had complaints about the translation of Dia duit. Not sure how she overcame it.

I thought the show was great, "le cunamh Dé" - if you don't believe in God you have no hope (or whatever that quote was).

Agonist

tintin67 wrote: »

Just watched this on video. Obviously I'm being hideously old-fashioned here, out of date and a Joe Duffy crank caller. But, is there any real need for Des to say the word 'f**k' and its variants as every sixth word when he's doing his 'comedy' turn? No-one is shocked by this word anymore. It's just that it is actually quite boring to hear someone repeat the same word ad nauseum. A bit like someone who says "ya know worra mean" at the end of every sentence. The English language is a terrific language, as is the Irish language. No need to use the 'f' word as an easy substitute for another beautiful English word you could easily use.

Yeah, my mother will love this show but the effing and blinding will grate on her. There's no problem with saying "f*ck" now and then but he only does it during the stand up routines, as if he thinks it intrinsically adds to the comedy value.

On the other hand, it was hilarious when he said, "YORE MHÁTHAIR!".

Toto Wolfcastle

Loving tonight's show so far. I'm so glad he said that the foundation level Irish exam is a joke because IT IS!

jph100

well im loving this series so far. im a bishop fan anyway but i think hes doing a great thing

Todoquetengo

yeah was quite funny! especially about how to pronounce bhfuil

kerash

I ended up watchin it only because my name is earl was not on, (as listed in my rte guide):mad:
Anyway, wasnt too impressed i thought it was a little boring and wasnt that funny. Also i hate Irish (mostly because of that Blathnaid one from the Afternoon show) so I was a little biased, making fun of the Irish was the best part. It didnt make me see our native language in a whole new light or anything, which i assume is the point of the show?

Toto Wolfcastle

kerash wrote: »

I ended up watchin it only because my name is earl was not on, (as listed in my rte guide):mad:
Anyway, wasnt too impressed i thought it was a little boring and wasnt that funny. Also i hate Irish (mostly because of that Blathnaid one from the Afternoon show) so I was a little biased, making fun of the Irish was the best part. It didnt make me see our native language in a whole new light or anything, which i assume is the point of the show?

Actually I think what the show is doing is showing the faults of the Irish language, the things that make it 'hard' to learn. (This is coming from an Irish teacher by the way!) The show is making it seem easy for Des to learn Irish but of course learning a language is easy when immersion is used.

kerash

Oh rite, well maybe if i was watching it from the start i would have a better handle on the point of it. The idea of being immersed in Irish makes me feel very uncomfortable! I dont think its the show for me..But i like Des:)

BaZmO*

janeybabe wrote: »

but of course learning a language is easy when immersion is used.

But just as long as you turn it off if you're not gonna have a bath.

Toto Wolfcastle

BaZmO* wrote: »

But just as long as you turn it off if you're not gonna have a bath.

Ha!

'Vintage' Des Bishop!

Peared

Thing is about Des Bishop, he came here when he was about 14 I think. Hes what now, about 30, maybe 32? So hes been here for longer than he hasnt. So all this 'you guys' stuff just doesnt work anymore. And the reappearance of the Ameican accent whrn he wants to show the difference between him and us is just silly. Also, all this talking about the 'brothers' at 'home'. We're not back in the good old days where the land of Mericay was a big mystery. How often exactly did Mr Bishop interact with the brothers in the hood at age 12?

Having said all that I thik he's gotten over himself a bit in the last few years and I find him quite funny sometimes.

He just needs some new subject matter. Its not like Irishness is alien to him ffs.

K4

what about the guy on tonight's show (just now!) helping Des translate the rap song, JUMP.....Daragh.....YUM YUM YUM...

catyb20

Ah crap, i missed tonights episode! I think the show is great, love des! Has anyone any ideas if there is a repeat of tonights show?

Basq

catyb20 wrote: »

Ah crap, i missed tonights episode! I think the show is great, love des! Has anyone any ideas if there is a repeat of tonights show?

It should be available to watch on the RTÉ site from tomorrow.

catyb20

basquille wrote: »

It should be available to watch on the RTÉ site from tomorrow.

Brialliant, thanks a million!

Toto Wolfcastle

I'm majorly impressed by Des's Irish! He was having fun with it and had it spoken to him pretty much all the time so it was easier for him to learn than having to learn it in school with the crap curriculum and all. And I love that he mentioned the fact that the curriculum is crap!

His version of Jump Around was great, and the guy helping him was hot!

lostexpectation

its easy apparently *grumble*