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rasmasyean wrote: »As a moderator you shouldn't be encouraging him. He just thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a troll, that's all. LOL
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HA HA I hope you can keep that sense of humor when year after year you just tell everyone that “linux is gonna take over everything…just next year. Don’t worry, you can run anything you want on wine…except not all of them actually work yet...but they will….trust me. Oh, er, Open Office will have all the features you want…stick with it for a year when the OS community gets around to it. Blah blah blah.” :rolleyes:
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An Fear Aniar wrote: »That's amazing! Must have taken a lot of phone-time... I wonder will Dell get a refund from Microsoft?
It took one email to Dell Customer Care stating that although I could not buy the laptop without Windows pre-installed I had wiped the laptop and installed an OS of my choice and requested the refund for the unused Windows license. They replied two days later saying that it would be credited to my card within 2 weeks - and it was - about €45 iirc.
Search this forum (or the Unix one) for my post about it with the email I sent.
And they don't get a refund from MS - they just don't pay for that license - they pay in arrears.0 -
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Ubuntu has Tracker, and MacOSX has had something similar for ages.rasmasyean wrote: »Instant search (searches and indexes items so it instantly lists upon typing)
Fair enough. I don't have a need for advanced graphics, but I can see why gamers would.DirectX 10 (most advanced graphics engine)
Apples have being doing this for years. My EeePC running Xandros does it too.S3 Sleep Mode (starts computer where you left off in like 5 seconds and only takes like 2 watts in mode)
"ps aux"The new Task Manager is pretty nice (it lists A LOT of stuff)
It's a god-awful piece of crap, and besides, Evolution does everything I need.MS Outlook is the best email tool hands-down (has everything to organize your life with)
WM is, for the moment, the only game in town for many embedded applications. This isn't necessarily a good thing; WM isn't a particularly stable platform, in my experience.Windows Mobile integration with above (most versatile PDA OS)
Great, another new user interface paradigm.MS Office Ribbons (pictorial nextgen user-friendly interface that replaces menus)
No idea what this means.MS Office Real-Time preview (instant preview with property mouse-over)
Great, another new user interface paradigm.MS Office Mini-Toolbar (souped up context menu)
Always assuming that the manufacturer has bothered to produce drivers for the particular version of Windows you're running.Support for practically any peripheral hardware (esp. keyboards and mouse with extra buttons that make computer use a lot faster)
...as long as it was written for Windows. That's a silly point, frankly.Support for practically any software
And the overwhelming majority of mine uses Linux.Overwhelming majority of “my world” uses Windows based stuff at least.
Dear sweet jebus. If I thought I was going to be operated on by something running Windows, I'd run screaming out of the hospital.Not only home, but industry as well. Hence makes it easier to interact and work. And regarding what croo said about SME not using MS as much, I don’t know what specifically he has experience with, but I just attended Atlantic Design and all I saw were Windows OS’s running everything from business laptops, to inspection machines, to fully automated robotic workcells. And even surgical equipment runs Windows so it's not like that's "unreliable"!
Windows just isn't reliable enough for this type of thing. Case in point: I was queued up at the self-service checkouts at an Asda last year, and one of them was out of order. A supervisor came over and fiddled with it, and eventually rebooted it. I rolled my eyes and said "bloody Windows" - my gf was skeptical, but then it played the Windows startup tune!
I've lost count of the number of times I've seen flight information displays in airports stuck with Windows alert dialogs displayed.
Sure, Windows is ubiquitous - but I reckon it's mostly because there's a new generation of graduates learning .net, and feeling tied into the Windows platform as a result.0 -
Or just updatedb and locate from the console.oscarBravo wrote: »Ubuntu has Tracker, and MacOSX has had something similar for ages.
Linux to outship Windows Mobile by 2013oscarBravo wrote: »WM is, for the moment, the only game in town for many embedded applications. This isn't necessarily a good thing; WM isn't a particularly stable platform, in my experience.
"share of the market will put the open source operating system in second place in the smartphone popularity stakes, putting it behind Symbian and ahead of Microsoft's Windows Mobile worldwide"
QFT. Linux also runs practically any software ... that's written for Linux :pac:oscarBravo wrote: »...as long as it was written for Windows. That's a silly point, frankly.
At the BoI ATM in Maynooth it took my card, churned away for nearly 2 minutes then spat out my card and I laughed at the Windows NT BSOD that I was looking atoscarBravo wrote: »Windows just isn't reliable enough for this type of thing. Case in point: I was queued up at the self-service checkouts at an Asda last year, and one of them was out of order. A supervisor came over and fiddled with it, and eventually rebooted it. I rolled my eyes and said "bloody Windows" - my gf was skeptical, but then it played the Windows startup tune! 0 -
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or beagle or recoll ... choice that's what Open Source is all about!oscarBravo wrote:Ubuntu has Tracker
I don't know if that's so clean cut - I think many supporters of OpenGL 2 would argue –oscarBravo wrote:
Fair enough. I don't have a need for advanced graphics, but I can see why gamers would.rasmasyean wrote:DirectX 10 (most advanced graphics engine)
http://sendderek.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/next-gen-game-graphics-directx-10-vs-opengl21/
is one of many such supporters
And, isn't OS/X Leopard OpenGL2?
check out the “Behind the Scenes of Leopard” videos on youtube.
Anybody I know that have seen both vista & OS/X desktops believe Leopard wins hands down... personally I am very happy with Compiz which has much more UI flare than vista. All my windows friends who see my notebook end up installing Ubuntu.
I think he means it has the equivalent of "window previews" in Compiz ... old news for us users of modern windows managers – we've had this for agesoscarBravo wrote:
No idea what this means.rasmasyean wrote:MS Office Real-Time preview (instant preview with property mouse-over)
Only if your world consists only of desktops rasmasyean.oscarBravo wrote:
And the overwhelming majority of mine uses Linux.rasmasyean wrote:Overwhelming majority of “my world” uses Windows based stuff at least.
What about embedded systems & servers? Windows has no a majority in either of these areas?
croo didn't say that – he saidrasmasyean wrote:what croo said about SME not using MS as much
ANDcroo wrote:Their (microsoft's) purchase of the likes of Navision & Great Plains give them some business presence but they are far from being leaders...croo wrote:but these apps are aimed at the SME ... I suspect ASUS (the builders of the EEEPC) would probably be too big for these applications. They are most likely a SAP or Oracle customer.
yeah they don't tell skeptics and they, assuming the whole world uses windows, simply miss it!rasmasyean wrote:If there was any Linux there, I surely missed it!
But look closely before you buy a TV, phone, washing machine or anything else electronic ... you just might be buying a linux machine and we wouldn't want that!
You have a flare for mixing topics in your rants rasmasyean... one minute you speak of the windows, the next vista, then next an office package, then next any application that runs on windows. Most desktops, for example, may run windows but most are not running vista! And users of XP (probably the most desktops) cannot run DirectX 10 – luckily though if they have invested in a modern graphics card they can still use OpenGL2 (with XP) and avail of all the functionality their card offers.0 -
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oscarBravo wrote: »Ubuntu has Tracker, and MacOSX has had something similar for ages.
You could have installed a google desktop on Windows, but integration makes it better.
oscarBravo wrote: »Fair enough. I don't have a need for advanced graphics, but I can see why gamers would.
Not sure about what’s out there now, but professional software that use graphics will also benefit.
oscarBravo wrote: »Apples have being doing this for years. My EeePC running Xandros does it too.
I just found out that Windows 98+ can too! But I guess I never noticed it or didn’t have the hardware that supported it! Lol
oscarBravo wrote: »”ps aux"
Last time I tried this in unix, it was horrible to look at. Besides the Vista one has a lot more stuff than that.
oscarBravo wrote: »It's a god-awful piece of crap
I don’t think practically every major corporation would use it if that were true, but everyone has an opinion.
oscarBravo wrote: »WM is, for the moment, the only game in town for many embedded applications. This isn't necessarily a good thing; WM isn't a particularly stable platform, in my experience.
I wasn’t aware of the embedded (other than cars), but I’m using it as a PDA/Phone device. It becomes unstable as you install 3rd part Apps on it…which is the only point of getting it anyway, but there’s no way around it and there are too many “amateur” 3rd party apps that are too juicy to pass so most WM devices are unstable, true. Maybe the IT restrictive ones the most stable because they test it.
oscarBravo wrote: »No idea what this means
http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/HA102034131033.aspx
oscarBravo wrote: »Always assuming that the manufacturer has bothered to produce drivers for the particular version of Windows you're running.
Well, most try to get up to date, but some lag behind or are discontinued, but there is still a wide selection for Vista nowadays.
oscarBravo wrote: »...as long as it was written for Windows. That's a silly point, frankly.
I’m saying that majority of software IS written for windows.
oscarBravo wrote: »Dear sweet jebus. If I thought I was going to be operated on by something running Windows, I'd run screaming out of the hospital.
I don’t think it’s going to “operate” on you like a robot…yet. It’s for stuff like monitoring life signals, imaging, and other patient details. When they make stuff like this, they don’t install a whole bunch of apps on it and allow the “user” to mess with it and surf the internet, etc. They make their applications, select a version of Windows, hardware, backup batteries, surround it with a liquid/germ proof case, and test a lot and get it certified.
Only recently has MS made Visual Studio free in the effort to spread .NET. It’s always C and C++/java that is taught (perhaps some students pirating prior Visual Studios to useoscarBravo wrote: »Sure, Windows is ubiquitous - but I reckon it's mostly because there's a new generation of graduates learning .net, and feeling tied into the Windows platform as a result. ). Some use the linux compilers but that’s not as featured and I don’t think that’s preferred unless you have to. I’m not sure if .NET will be taught in college. It’s more like an “abstraction” of programming taught to pros who already know programming. The abstraction makes it a lot easier to use so you may not get the “theory” from learning it which is usually what college is about. Maybe a few students have done their special projects with .NET, though. 0 -
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