Priest healing tips and build?

Splinter

unless the tanks have very bad threath or your multishotting everything then i find it amazing youd pull agro over the tank or healer for that matter

Anti

I never multishot in a dungeon unless there are 2/3 mobs with very low health. Maybe ive just been going with useless tanks and healers?

rainbow kirby

Anti wrote: »

Ive just started doing heroics with my hunter, and i find them amazingly hard. I seem to be critting alot harder then the others in the groups im in and keep pulling aggro, And as im in lvl 70 greens and blues my armour is useless and i die so quickly. I;ve tried holding back on the DPS but then we all die. So atm im just doing BG to get lots of honor to get some gear that way. Shame there isnt much stuff for hunters from the dude in Sw though.

Your tank sucks. Get a better one.
I was tanking heroic Botanica (daily heroic pug, most of my guild took the night off after our first Kael kill on Tuesday) last night and the hunter in the group was at about your gear level (4/5 Beast Lord with a few greens) - he never got past 1/3 of my threat generated. Then again, I did overgear the place a little...

Anti

Yeah, doing some heroics has taught he about my threat, Arcane causes way to much, same with aimed shot. I find it best to just not attack for about 5 seconds and let the tank get in a good few hits before i start trying to do any damage. Dosent always work though, as every now and then a hugh crit (3800+) comes along and the tank finds it hard to pull back the aggro.

Dcully

right you should go for the S1 dagger

Which one is that m8 and where can i get it?

Thanks

nix

Same place as staff

Splinter

its the season one arena dagger buyable with honour stats are about 199 damage and healing. not sure of the name though. there is also a 1 handed mace with the same stats :)i choose the maces all the time cause people always choose daggers

rainbow kirby

I grinded a Gladiator's Gavel for both my 70s... well worth it. My paladin has never seen a sword drop from Gruul or Leotheras, and Continuum Blade just didn't cut the mustard for holding aggro in T5 content (extremely DPS-heavy raid group) so I didn't have much of a choice but to hit up AV. My priest? Nathrezim Mindblade drop rates suck, and I wanted a decent wep quickly.

Splinter

or save up the 150 badges of justice for the new dagger from sunwell... its well tasty.... 247 damage and healing but no spell hit or crit

Anti

Anti wrote: »

Yeah, doing some heroics has taught he about my threat, Arcane causes way to much, same with aimed shot. I find it best to just not attack for about 5 seconds and let the tank get in a good few hits before i start trying to do any damage.

keep an eye for sunder armor

nesf

bluewolf wrote: »

keep an eye for sunder armor

The tank having a DPS start macro makes things less messy. Sure it's overkill with a good organised group but for PuGs it might be handy.

Dcully

So i got myself some of the pvp rewards gladiator gear.
I went with +damage but am just wondering would this gear cut it if i decided to go back healing at some stage?
I realise i could have gone for same item/items but with +healing instead of damage.

Or do i need to get proper healing gear allover again?

Id just like to have the option to heal heroics etc if i decide to respec without having to farm vboring pvp gear for healing aswell as dps..

nix

ya need proper +healing, you woul prob get laughed at otherwise

Splinter

aye you will need just +healing gear

smellslikeshoes

You will probably end up picking up some heroic capable healing gear anyway just from drops that nobody else wants. I know myself from just doing heroics and raiding I ended up getting a reasonable set of damage gear when I was holy, and I imagine its even easier the other way around, because of less people after +healing cloth gear than +damage cloth gear.

Dcully

Thanks guys

Dcully

Just wondering roughly how much +healing would i need to heal heroics?
Ive got +1k atm but working on pvp rewards to increase this, im thinking about 1200-1300 myself but again im no priest expert.

nix

You could do heroics with 1300 healing tbh if you have good mp5, whats your mana per 5 at ?

nesf

nesf wrote: »

The tank having a DPS start macro makes things less messy. Sure it's overkill with a good organised group but for PuGs it might be handy.

lol are you serious
the only macro i've seen is "attacking now", anything else at a high level should be common sense & using Omen

ofc, dont get me started about lower level pugs =/

Dcully

You could do heroics with 1300 healing tbh if you have good mp5, whats your mana per 5 at ?

278 mana regen per 5 seconds while not casting

111 while casting

nix

hummm ill look at your armoury, whats your toons name and realm ?

Kenny_D

I found this website handy for gear before kara:

http://wow-loot.com/priest.htm#bop

Dcully

Thanks Nix, name is Thiswillhurt realm is Aggrammar.
Im stuck with 2 epic dps items [had them while i was shadow] but done my best to add plus healing on them till i get better.
Im not gonna replace them till last i think.
Gonna get the gladiator shoulders maybe tomorrow,just need 1k honour more.
I must say im finding the pvp farming a real chore
I rather do a hundred heroic 5 mans to get drops than 10 av tbh.

GStormcrow thanks also,i already use wow loot.
The problem is im finding the only way to get good gear the way i know ill enjoy is heroics and raids but as healer my gear has just not being up to healing heroics.
So i thought id farm pvp for some gear to give me +healing.
When i was shadow i could do heroics no problem as gear isnt as much an issue as healer i feel.

I might get my guild to take me through ramps heroic to see how it goes as healer.
Atleast that way i wont get pugs shouting at me :P
armory page here

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Aggramar&n=Thiswillhurt

rainbow kirby

Go level your tailoring and make the Primal Mooncloth set. You may never replace it.

Dcully

I know m8 but i find professions so boring that its an even worse chore than BG
How long and how much you reckon it would cost?

nesf

bluewolf wrote: »

lol are you serious
the only macro i've seen is "attacking now", anything else at a high level should be common sense & using Omen

ofc, dont get me started about lower level pugs =/

If you think of it as being there for similar reasons as you get the "Are you sure?" question when you want to format the C: drive it makes more sense. Never underestimate the stupidity of others, it doesn't matter what level they are. They should know better and have Omen installed but the ****ers don't and if you are in the unfortunate position of having to do a lot of PuGs then stuff like this unfortunately becomes sensible.

nesf

nesf wrote: »

If you think of it as being there for similar reasons as you get the "Are you sure?" question when you want to format the C: drive it makes more sense. Never underestimate the stupidity of others, it doesn't matter what level they are. They should know better and have Omen installed but the ****ers don't and if you are in the unfortunate position of having to do a lot of PuGs then stuff like this unfortunately becomes sensible.

Fair enough... I've been in some bad pugs but either I've taught em or suffered through really...
I'm still new to tanking though, as opposed to dpsing, so we'll see

nesf

bluewolf wrote: »

Fair enough... I've been in some bad pugs but either I've taught em or suffered through really...

PuGs are awful. There's nothing worse than the "silent one" turning out to be someone who doesn't know much English etc. I was in one once when most of the chatter in /p was in Danish. The one with good English had to translate the orders for the other two. It was a slow grind through Dire Maul that evening.

nesf

nesf wrote: »

PuGs are awful. There's nothing worse than the "silent one" turning out to be someone who doesn't know much English etc. I was in one once when most of the chatter in /p was in Danish. The one with good English had to translate the orders for the other two. It was a slow grind through Dire Maul that evening.

that's what you get for going to DM! hate that place
neh, most people talk in english on my server so it's one thing that hasn't been an issue...
though pugs that wont talk are a pain

copeyhagen

nesf wrote: »

PuGs are awful. There's nothing worse than the "silent one" turning out to be someone who doesn't know much English .

haha everyone can probably relate to that one! the quiet guy - normally a feral druid and tanking , rushes in and ninja pulls when everyone is discussing tactics. everyones like "wtf we told you not to go, dont you speak english", to which the little fuker just keeps replying "yes"... hasnt a clue whats being said!!!

Wreck

I think the best pug I ever ran an instance with was almost totally silent lol. Everyone just got on with their jobs and I just chain pulled. I've no problem running instances with a pug once i'm tanking and the healer is at least semi-capable, but i'll rarely join a pug as dps.

Dcully

Hi guys im just wondering about a build thats effective for pvp and pve.
Currently im using this build.
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/priest/talents.html?5002220130505122031251230251300300000000000000000000000000000000

Its nice for pvp but id like to run some instances as healer also.
Do i really need to respec each time?
Im farming pvp rewards atm hence the current build but i bore of pvp quickly.

I realise im probably asking for the impossible but was thinking a build like this might be a good build for both?
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/priest/talents.html?5012300130500120000000234051002322150501020000000000000000000000

rainbow kirby

Wreck wrote: »

I think the best pug I ever ran an instance with was almost totally silent lol. Everyone just got on with their jobs and I just chain pulled. I've no problem running instances with a pug once i'm tanking and the healer is at least semi-capable, but i'll rarely join a pug as dps.

I'm the opposite, I only tank for guild groups with my paladin. Dealing with pug DPS and healers is more pain than it's worth. I'm much more likely to go DPS or healing on my priest though - she's holy at the moment due to finding it almost impossible to find a group as a shadow priest to MrT, geared to roughly Kara level for both specs.

Also, Dcully's last post just reminded me I forgot to spec for Healing Prayers with my most recent 20/41 spec

Wreck

rainbow kirby wrote: »

I'm the opposite, I only tank for guild groups with my paladin. Dealing with pug DPS and healers is more pain than it's worth.

What I find is that as tank you can actually control the group a lot better. When you pug as a healer or dps, I think you rely more on the others in the group than you do as tank. And if dps consistently overaggro while I'm tanking, I have no problem letting them die again and again until they learn they're lesson.

Wreck

Wreck wrote: »

What I find is that as tank you can actually control the group a lot better. When you pug as a healer or dps, I think you rely more on the others in the group than you do as tank. And if dps consistently overaggro while I'm tanking, I have no problem letting them die again and again until they learn they're lesson.

Ye. My friend was tanking and I healing, and we agreed that if the stupid nub-lock kept pulling, she could just die. She learnt... somewhat.

rainbow kirby

Wreck wrote: »

What I find is that as tank you can actually control the group a lot better. When you pug as a healer or dps, I think you rely more on the others in the group than you do as tank. And if dps consistently overaggro while I'm tanking, I have no problem letting them die again and again until they learn they're lesson.

Would agree that you can control the group a lot better as tank, but everything I do can't save the group when the DPS are being gob****es and the healer thinks that constantly healing the nub overaggroing mage is a higher priority than keeping the 16k+ hp wall of plate alive...

Cullilingus

Dont listen to any of the tanks here! Aggro holding is a competition sport.. The winner is whoever's feet the mob dies at.. You aren't going to let some coward who hides behind a shield beat you, are ya?:pac:

rainbow kirby

Filthy lies and you know it

(Though having just under 550 unbuffed spell damage in threat gear while tanking can be amusing sometimes!)

Ah... as soon as my priest hit 70, finally, I got a bat and flew to mech... in my excitement I forgot to get 70 training... and I was still shadow, healing through it much fun!

Joseph

Haha

Dcully

Hi guys,ok so i got myself some decent pvp rewards and got +healing up to +1350 unbuffed but find my mana regen is poor.
I realise the pvp gear is stamina heavy with little spirit so im thinking of taking divine spirit to help with my regen at the expense of circle of healing.
Is this advisable or should i substitute my current +healing gems with +spirit ones?

My main goal for this char is to be able to heal heroics and the odd Kara run but mostly heroics.

Heres my char on armoury http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Terenas&n=Thiswillhurt

Note the chest piece was my first reward from when i was going to go the dps route,ive tried to compensate with adding +healing gems.
Ill get the +healing chest pretty soon anyways.

smellslikeshoes

To be blunt your mana Regen is **** and I personally wouldn't want you near a heroic group if I was in it. Now that we have gotten that out of the way

I would sort out your trinkets first of all, those two are pretty useless and are making things hard on yourself. Possibly a pair of these, don't let the revered with lower city put you off it should be pretty easy from where you are now by doing some Auchindoun instances, getting two of those means you won't have to waste time waiting for good trinket drops. With one of them in each slot you will have an extra 110 +healing to play with and you can take out +healing gems without nerfing yourself too much.


I would swap out some of those +healing gems and throw in some +spirit gems, should keep you going for a bit, but you really need to be looking into to getting some more good PVE gear. Having a few pieces of PVP in there is often a good thing but it shouldn't be the basis of your gear. I would normally say to get moving on the two crafted epic sets but unless you were going to be pretty serious about your priest I don't think grinding the money for them is worthwhile. Best get into Kara and hope you get a few lucky drops and keep slugging away at the heroics.
As for DS it has a lot to do with personal preference, I swear by IMP-DS but I know plenty of great healers who hate it immensely, try it out and if it doesn't work for you take it out.

Dcully

Yeah i realise mana regen is poor.
I doubt im up to spending time and gold into levelling up tailoring tbh,i find professions in general a pain in the backside.
I reckon my best bet is as you say get them trinkets.
I healed heroic Steamvaults lastnight with no hassle after respeccing DS and improved DS.
I find circle of healing is situation dependant ie MgT when theres aoe damage but for now im preferring DS.

Thanks for advice

Dcully

Ok i got healing up to +1430 after taking divine spirit but no coh.
I healed heroic Sv but did miss coh.
I then respecced back to coh and replaced +healing gems with the royal nightseye gems for regen to try witout DS so as to keep coh.
The net result was +healing back to about 1310 and mana regen was nowhere near as good as with DS
Sure i gained coh but regen is crap now
lol shadow was never this much hassle :P

nix

TBH mate dont specc CoH untill your comfortable with your mana regen or until your CL asks you too.

I was specced hybrid from kara to SSC/TK, and find it much better than full holy.

CoH only becomes really effective after SSC/TK when you +healing is hitting 2k or so.

Until then just use Prayer of healing, its still a good spell

My activity in this forum will soon grind to a hault as ive cancelled my subscription

Dcully

Yeah i think your right Nix,thanks for that and since you wont be around as much thanks for your help earlier also
Everytime i respec i respec to one of your specs you posted on page 1 of this thread

nix

No probs dood, if ya have any additional Q's or whatever just throw a pm my way and ill help ya the best i can. My knowledge should be useful until WOTLK is released

Dcully

Dcully wrote: »

Ok i got healing up to +1430 after taking divine spirit but no coh.
I healed heroic Sv but did miss coh.
I then respecced back to coh and replaced +healing gems with the royal nightseye gems for regen to try witout DS so as to keep coh.
The net result was +healing back to about 1310 and mana regen was nowhere near as good as with DS
Sure i gained coh but regen is crap now
lol shadow was never this much hassle :P

I have over 400 mp5 (185 while casting) and +1200 healing; I haven't even started kara yet (just dinged last weekend) but have done heroics
i havent used coh at all, PoM is all you need ;o