A pet shop on the long mile road has crocodiles for sale ?

Wagon

canislupus wrote: »

Porn link removed

That's just a load of ****! :eek: Are you sure you put in the right link?

The Artist

peasant wrote: »

you might want to edit that second picture there ...NSFW !!

whats NSFW and where does it go?

Alun

davey180 wrote: »

whats NSFW and where does it go?

NSFW = Not Safe For Work

The Artist

Alun wrote: »

NSFW = Not Safe For Work

ok but what do you do just put down NSFW when you are posting bad pics or link it with the url?

LuckyStar

Bond-007 wrote: »

A.) I can give them all they need and
B.) It is none of your business what primates I am getting. All my animals are captive bred and sourced from ethicial breeders. It took me 5 years of research before I bought my first primate.

She never said it was her business, she was just asking. Most people don't have the means to keep primates.

Demonique

peasant wrote: »

you might want to edit that second picture there ...NSFW !!

What's wrong with the second picture? All I see is some guy walking a hyena in some African town

Our man in Havana

canislupus wrote: »

~Mod edit: links to porn removed, user banned~

Wouldn't suprise me. Most zoos would struggle to provide a suitable enclosure for a caiman, most definitely not a suitable pet; either are any of the giant species of snake sold in alot of pet shops (Burmese python etc.)

canislupus perma banned for posting porn.

Our man in Havana

It really is no ones business as to what animals I keep - yes some may argue that these animals are better in the wild - with the rate of decline of natural habitates I feel that some animals will no longer be around in a few years - ring tailed lemures are at risk as are many of the primates.

I have lots of species of animals & have a common marmoset at the moment - I am looking at squirrel monkeys next & when my common buzzard dies I will get some ring tails. People are welcome to come & see the way I keep my animals before judging me! Yes there are a lot of muppets in the world & a lot have said to me "I wanna buy a monkey the misses wants a baby but a monkeys gotta be cheaper!" Needless to say if I had 4000 monkeys here & was selling some these chaps would not get them! If my primates breed I will inspect premises & enclosures before I would sell them.

We can argue ethics if you like but I am sure 100's of years ago people said the same thing about dogs & cats etc! The hamster is a wild creature as are any of the pets that are kept in captivity now days! I do think its all too easy to get animals & would be happy with a DWA licence over here.

Demonique

Bond-007 wrote: »

canislupus perma banned for posting porn.

Eh, where was the porn in those links? All I saw from both links was some guy in Africa with a muzzled hyena on a leash

tonym

ok i agree with bond if a person is responsible enough then why not keep these animals i have paid a visit to bonds place and i can tell u bonds animals are not only well looked after but she has some of the nicest animals ive seen the some of you are praising ben in reptile haven and yes he is one of the mos responsible owners of exotics that i know of bottom line if u have a responsible seller and buyer then y not

peasant

tonym wrote: »

ok i agree with bond if a person is responsible enough then why not keep these animals i have paid a visit to bonds place and i can tell u bonds animals are not only well looked after but she has some of the nicest animals ive seen the some of you are praising ben in reptile haven and yes he is one of the mos responsible owners of exotics that i know of bottom line if u have a responsible seller and buyer then y not

This is not directed at Bond or anyone else, just a theoretical excercise;


Stay with the example of the caiman fo a minute. Assuming the seller has the permit, the buyer has the permit and the buyer even has half a house (or whatever building) set aside with a wet area and the necessary heat and humidity to keep a caiman happy and healthy.

The question still remains ....WHY? would you want to keep such an animal ?

Just because you can?

Other than a big show-off effect I'd say a caiman offers very little interaction. It's bloody dangerous and most certainly out of place in Ireland.

Conservation is best left to zoos in my opinion, better still, to conservation projects in the natural habitats of these animals.
A captivity-bred exotic that is used to an Irish living room is of little use to re-populate the wilds of Borneo or wherever.

Getting an exotic "pet" keeps the supply chain alive. I don't know the exact figures, but for some exotic "pets" to land in our living rooms up to ten have to die on the way for one to make it.

I just don't get it ...other than "fascination" or some need to "collect", I can't really see any reasons why one would/should want to keep exotic pets.

Annika30

peasant wrote: »

I just don't get it ...other than "fascination" or some need to "collect", I can't really see any reasons why one would/should want to keep exotic pets.

Here here!

Hellrazer

Bond-007 wrote: »

It really is no ones business as to what animals I keep - yes some may argue that these animals are better in the wild - with the rate of decline of natural habitates I feel that some animals will no longer be around in a few years - ring tailed lemures are at risk as are many of the primates.

I have lots of species of animals & have a common marmoset at the moment - I am looking at squirrel monkeys next & when my common buzzard dies I will get some ring tails. People are welcome to come & see the way I keep my animals before judging me! Yes there are a lot of muppets in the world & a lot have said to me "I wanna buy a monkey the misses wants a baby but a monkeys gotta be cheaper!" Needless to say if I had 4000 monkeys here & was selling some these chaps would not get them! If my primates breed I will inspect premises & enclosures before I would sell them.

We can argue ethics if you like but I am sure 100's of years ago people said the same thing about dogs & cats etc! The hamster is a wild creature as are any of the pets that are kept in captivity now days! I do think its all too easy to get animals & would be happy with a DWA licence over here.

Here Here Bond.There are plenty of examples where interested keepers have saved species.In reptile keeping circles there are species(and subspecies) of reptiles which only exist in interested herps homes.

Weidii

I definately wouldn't agree to keeping any animal which cannot be domesticated. People keep these "exotic" pets so they can show them off to their friends. What other pleasure could keeping a caiman bring?

Shelli

But who decides what is considered "exotic".......many people in Ireland would consider all reptiles exotic creatures.

Endangered species are a different story all together, but not all so called "exotics" are endangered at all, and for that matter, many animals considered "exotics" in Ireland are very popular pets in other places!

carwash_2006

I would not consider people keeping pets a that are endangered a worthwhile method of keeping a species in existence. To reliably conserve a species takes a huge amount of organisation and must involve more than one group. If all the remaining animals of a species are all kept in one place it is pointless due to the risk of disease wiping out the lot. But this does not mean that having them in peoples homes is of any use. It must be done by coordination with other groups.

The danger of people keeping them as pets is that the act of getting them there will help cause extinction. I do not accept an argument that they were captive bred to allow people to keep them as pets either. What if the breeder loses their breeding stock and can't locate captive bred animals? If they have been making money, they will almost certainly go and buy new breeding stock from wherever they can get it. Also there are too many animals - say use monkeys as an example - that are badly treated within the pet trade. The only way to stop this is to dry up the demand.

Anybody who wants to have close involvement with a species that is not really a domesticated pet should spend years in college or working with people who really know what they are at. Anybody who disputes this, spend a little time watching Monkey Business on Animal Planet. That is an organisation that really knows what they are talking about. They have a brilliant blueprint for helping animals on the verge of extinction.

I know not everyone will agree with me about this, but perhaps think about it. One person may be able to do an ok job of keeping certain animals that need specialist care, but that person doing it may give others the idea. Those people may not be able to get the animal from the same responsible source, but that may not stop them and there are always irresponsible people who see the opportunity of a quick buck and suddenly you have a huge problem on your hands.

I remember them selling turtles as yellow belly sliders when they were infact a differernt turtle altogether. I asked them what do you feed them and they showed me the turtle pellets.

These turtles closley resembled sliders they come from a different habitat and eat different foods. (can remember the name of them) but i saw somebody else noticed this aswell on another forum .

artieanna

I would be very wary of dangerous exotic animals being too available to the public to keep, as alot of people are very irresponsible.

Just look at how badly some cats/dogs are treated.

Basically if person gets sick of looking after them they usually dump them!

I think this is more relevant in Ireland now, because people can afford to buy things (animals) to show off or for little Tommy cause he wants it....

(I am not referring to people who dedicate their lives to caring for their animals and who have proper enclosures)

peasant

artieanna wrote: »

I would be very wary of dangerous exotic animals being too available to the public to keep, as alot of people are very irresponsible.

Just look at how badly some cats/dogs are treated.

Basically if person gets sick of looking after them they usually dump them!

I think this is more relevant in Ireland now, because people can afford to buy things (animals) to show off or for little Tommy cause he wants it....

(I am not referring to people who dedicate their lives to caring for their animals and who have proper enclosures)

I'd agree with that.

It is one thing for proper fanciers to get these animals through proper channels and care for them according to their needs ...

...but as soon as they start showing up in pet shops, alarm bells should be ringing.

él statutorio

I've spoken to the lads in Wackers about this, the Caimans were brought in primarily for display purposes. If, and its a big if, they were ever to be sold the guys in wackers would insist on a number of site visits beforehand to see the proposed conditions for keeping them before they'd even consider selling them and it would only be to an experienced reptile keeper.

syklops

Somewhat off topic but an interesting story, Many moons ago, I was looking for a slider(a type of terrapin) to buy as a pet. I went in to pet shop in galway and asked about them and the owner came out, and brought me in to the back room and showed me about a dozen turtles that he had, explained to me the proper care etc(which i was already briefed on), told me the equipment I would need to buy(from him). A week later I went in to purchase the animal, and he told me he did not have any turtles and that he had not had them for years and that it was illegal to sell them with out the proper dockets. Had my friend not been with me both times, no one would have believed me. I bought a slider from another shop, installed it in its new home, and 6 months later went into the shop I bought it from to look for a new light, and sparked up a conversation with the owner. I told him the story I just told you, and he said yer' man was being audited by the animal welfare crowd, and the week I want in to buy one, was probably when it all came to a head.

Epilogue: The slider I bought was a female called Venus. She died at the age of 16 in her tank at home. Her shell looked beautiful on the day of her death, and my mother asked me would I like to keep it. Her process for removing the shell has traumatised me to this day, to the extent that I told my mother that when she dies I will boil her for a few hours, so that I may remove her big toe nails, as a souvenir.

wyk

Bond-007 wrote: »

It really is no ones business as to what animals .

Nonsense. If you mistreat your animals, can not control them, or otherwise abuse them, you MAKE it other's business. There is a reason most animals have regulations regarding them in every civilized country in the world. Not every one is responsible enough to control and care for every animal. Because others before you have shown that humans can horribly mistreat or wrecklessly care for animals, we now have laws. They apply to me, and they apply to you. EVERY responsible animal carer/owner is aware of this.

WYK

Our man in Havana

wyk wrote: »

Nonsense. If you mistreat your animals, can not control them, or otherwise abuse them, you MAKE it other's business. There is a reason most animals have regulations regarding them in every civilized country in the world. Not every one is responsible enough to control and care for every animal. Because others before you have shown that humans can horribly mistreat or wrecklessly care for animals, we now have laws. They apply to me, and they apply to you. EVERY responsible animal carer/owner is aware of this.

WYK

I really hope to god you are not implying that I miss treat my animals??? I am very much involved with animal welfare & realise that there are not enough controls over here
I also said ANYONE can come & see my animals - what species I keep thou is MY BUSINESS no one else's! I can own what ever I want - this is a FACT - I can keep tigers if I have the space & the money.

Animal laws over here are a joke! Some of the people over here consider animals to be worthless even when they pay hundreds/thousands for them - I on the other hand adore all my animals - my birds, my reptiles, my dogs, my cats, my small furries & my exotics - I do lots of research on animals I understand the basics of genetics but I am not an experts - my animals have large cages/enclosures & I have even gone hungry before to ensure all my pets are well fed. 9 of my 10 dogs were dumped/abused before they arrived here - they are all neutered/spayed & are vaccinated & are treated for fleas & worms the same applies for my cats all 12 of them. I help out rescue groups when I can - I take in mistreated birds & they are all vet checked to ensure they are healthy etc.

But it is a fact that the laws in Ireland are very lax & I can own what I like & it is only my business! We have no DWA licences etc - I said this in an earlier post in this thread - in the UK when I was researching what my first species of primate would be marmosets (which I got) where the only species you could keep that did not need a licence - more have since been taken off of the list. So on the advice of other keepers I got my marmosets - they are not treated like babies they are given a very large cage & have the proper nutrition.

I also said before judge me once you have met me & seen my animals!

peasant

Bond-007 wrote: »

I can keep tigers if I have the space & the money.

So can I ...and any other eejit out there (and money is all it takes)

Surely, that can't be right?

Our man in Havana

You are correct money is all that is required!

No I do not think its right - as a responsible animal owner who is into exotics I agree that
we need a form of licensing that would improve the life of the animals kept. In the UK this would be covered by a DWA licence (dangerous wild animals) if I wanted tigers in the UK I would have to get a licence from the local council - these are very hard to get & you need lots of insurance like a zoo i.e public liability etc. The enclosures are inspected - I would be happy to have to get a licence like this here!

After a recent fire here we had guards all over the place when she saw my lizards she asked do any of these animals need a licence? Dads response was only if they want to drive!

lightening

I hope you didn't loose any of your pets in the fire. Why were the Gardai called? Was it arson? Don't tell me someone wanted to hurt your animals?

Our man in Havana

Gardai came cause the phone line was damaged & I was on the line trying to get out of the house - same as 2 fire engines were called & an ambulance - it was not arson just an accident with a forgotten lit candle Unfortunately I did lose 2 pets - my water dragon called Emerald & my brothers royal python called Syd - I had been told my corn snakes had also died but luckily they survived & are now called Fawkes & Phoenix.

The Artist

Bond-007 wrote: »

Gardai came cause the phone line was damaged & I was on the line trying to get out of the house - same as 2 fire engines were called & an ambulance - it was not arson just an accident with a forgotten lit candle Unfortunately I did lose 2 pets - my water dragon called Emerald & my brothers royal python called Syd - I had been told my corn snakes had also died but luckily they survived & are now called Fawkes & Phoenix.

sorry about the accident i was meant to ask you that you seem to have a lot of animals?So i thought you must have a zoo or something as you have good knolledge of these animals.Do you work as a vet or zookeeper by any chance?

Our man in Havana

I do work in the animal trade but can not mention on here what I do as it would break the charter rules.

I am not a vet or a zoo keeper but I have kept/keep many species - most of which could be considered unusual. I have kept lots of the smaller species such as Lemmings, Duprasi, Nile rats, shaws jirds, voles etc. Primates are my new area of interest but like all the species I have kept I continue my research & make sure I can completely care for my animals.

shinners007

Sorry you lost two pets in the fire bond007. And i must say you definately seem to know your stuff and i personally dont see that there is anyting wrong with you keeping the types of pets that you do as long as there well cared for etc and i wouldnt doubt that they are. At the end of the day it is your business and no one has the right to assume otherwise without knowing the facts.

I say well done as i see from other posts that you own a lot rescued animals also.