A pet shop on the long mile road has crocodiles for sale ?

lucozader

is this legal ?

how dangerous will they be when they grow up ?

LuckyStar

I don't know how dangerous they would be but the store are being responsible-They have conditions about selling them- they have to see the enclosure you plan to keep them in first before they will sell them to you.

PS They are not crocodiles, they are caimans which are more closely related to alligators.

kerrysgold

Are they the ones that look like baby crocodiles? If so I think I saw on TV that they would have strong enough jaws to remove a finger but I don't know.

The Artist

Spectacled Caiman
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Spectacled Caiman


Conservation status

Least Concern
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia

Phylum: Chordata

Class: Sauropsida

Order: Crocodilia

Family: Alligatoridae

Genus: Caiman

Species: C. crocodilus


Binomial name
Caiman crocodilus
(Linnaeus, 1758)
The Spectacled Caiman (Caiman crocodilus) is a crocodilian reptile found in much of Central and South America. It lives in a range of lowland wetland and riverine habitat types and can tolerate salt water as well as fresh; due in part to this adaptabilty it is the most common of all crocodilian species. Males of the species are generally between 2 and 2.5 meters, while females are smaller, usually around 1.4 meters. The species' common name comes from a bony ridge between the eyes, which gives the appearance of a pair of spectacles.


[edit] References
Crocodile Specialist Group (1996). Caiman crocodilus. 2006 IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. IUCN 2006. Retrieved on 06 May 2006. Database entry includes a brief justification of why this species is of least concern
Crocodilian Species list from the Florida Museum of Natural History

artieanna

I am shocked to think that these are being offered for sale in Ireland. I think it's terrible that these animals are being shipped here for people to show off as the latest plaything.

Definitly not one to buy the kids:eek:

SuperSean11

artieanna wrote: »

Definitly not one to buy the kids:eek:

Why not? Dogs can be pretty dangerous

artieanna

SuperSean11 wrote: »

Why not? Dogs can be pretty dangerous

The key words in what you said is dogs CAN BE dangerous, they are not all dangerous. Come on!!

SuperSean11

artieanna wrote: »

The key words in what you said is dogs CAN BE dangerous, they are not all dangerous. Come on!!

Well if they are kept safely and the kids are well supervised i dont see why not From what i have read on the internet if they are handled from a young age they become calmer and easier to handle

dbrock

been totally honest guys dont get one,,,,, ive kept them before and handled them lots,,, but with any rep they can become nasty,,,,,


and as for saying they check enclosure and so on well last year a certain shop in town didnt as a stupid mate of mine decided to get one,,,, he is ok with reps to be honest,,, and could prob handle it,,,,,,,,,, but believe it or not when he picked it up he sent in his younger bro who hasnt any experiance with any animals,,,, and they gave it to him,,,

any way take it from me been there have the tshirt,,,, unless you got a small pool in your house dont bother,,,

there stunning ,,, make interesting reptiles to work with,,, they do get used to routines,,, but as far as im concerned i think there not for captivity,,,

Demonique

It's Whackers again. There was a piece on the Joe Duffy show last year about them, before the Joe expose they were far more blase about who they sold them too

Ben from Reptile Haven said that in the week after the piece aired he had three 'scumbag types' coming in and looking to buy them, Ben hasn't had a caiman for years and even then said caiman wasn't for sale.

I think the caimans Whackers have could be Cuviers Dwarf caiman

dbrock

it was a cuviers dwarf i kept myself,,,,

and just to make sure we are all clear it wasnt ben in reptile haven where it came from,,,,,

im not here to really make an issue over the shops that sell em rather make you guys aware that i dont recomend em and ive a good bit of experiance with reptiles myself,,,,

Our man in Havana

If you have the space & experience I see no problem with buying them - not that I would like one but I am really getting into my exotics & have plans to get more primates this year - but if I wanted to I could buy tigers as long as I have the cites certificate I can buy anything I want we have no licences over here, where as in the uk for most exotics you would need a DWA licence.

LuckyStar

What was on Joe Duffy about them?

Run_to_da_hills

More than likely these poor creatures will end up flushed down the toilet when they become a problem or find their own way into the sewers when they escape. It happened in New York, The County Council will soon be looking for danger money!!!:eek:

Our man in Havana

Caimens need a to have a cites licence before they can be sold - its illegial to sell cites animals that do not have a licence.

No idea what Joe Duffy was on about - I could get myself a whole zoos worth of rare exotics if I had the space & the money. Its far too easy to buy rare dangerous exotics! but there are people who know how to care for these animals - & build proper enclosures etc.

The Artist

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

More than likely these poor creatures will end up flushed down the toilet when they become a problem or find their own way into the sewers when they escape. It happened in New York, The County Council will soon be looking for danger money!!!:eek:

teanage mutant caimans!.god imagagine that happening here the counsil or sewage men be out of a job!

dbrock

We def need a DWA licence scheme
over here because there , are and will
be many f. Ing idiots, who will prove its
easy to order almost anything into this country ,

The amount of things I've been asked to get some people
from crocs to monkeys, is crazy with 90 percent not having a clue
what there getting in to,

Needless to say they got nothing,

Lauragoesmad

artieanna wrote: »

I am shocked to think that these are being offered for sale in Ireland. I think it's terrible that these animals are being shipped here for people to show off as the latest plaything.

Definitly not one to buy the kids:eek:

Well, if you blatantly didn't like your kids, then it would be!!:D

Lauragoesmad

Bond-007 wrote: »

If you have the space & experience I see no problem with buying them - not that I would like one but I am really getting into my exotics & have plans to get more primates this year - but if I wanted to I could buy tigers as long as I have the cites certificate I can buy anything I want we have no licences over here, where as in the uk for most exotics you would need a DWA licence.

Do you really feel that you can give these animals all they need in captivity? What type of primates are you talking about?

Leeby

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

More than likely these poor creatures will end up flushed down the toilet when they become a problem or find their own way into the sewers when they escape. It happened in New York, The County Council will soon be looking for danger money!!!:eek:

Whackers aren't actually selling them, so panic over, your sewers our safe!

Our man in Havana

Lauragoesmad wrote: »

Do you really feel that you can give these animals all they need in captivity? What type of primates are you talking about?

A.) I can give them all they need and
B.) It is none of your business what primates I am getting. All my animals are captive bred and sourced from ethicial breeders. It took me 5 years of research before I bought my first primate.

Demonique

Leeby wrote: »

Whackers aren't actually selling them, so panic over, your sewers our safe!

Whackers WERE selling them until the furore after the Joe Duffy show

peasant

Bond-007 wrote: »

A.) I can give them all they need and
B.) It is none of your business what primates I am getting. All my animals are captive bred and sourced from ethicial breeders. It took me 5 years of research before I bought my first primate.

...bit touchy today ?

A + B combined means that you can get them and possibly may get them.

Doesn't really answer the question of "should you get them".

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In case of a croc/ caiman I think that there is a definite "shouldn't". What on earth would anyone be doing with a fairly large and fairly nasty and definately untame animal, other than play sillybuggers and/or show off??

Just because something may not be ecplicitely illegal still doesn't make it right.
And you can't exactly keep a cold blooded croc in an Irish garden pond can you?
So it stands to reason that it will be kept in inadequate conditions (separate room for the 2 meter caiman anyone? ).

What'll be next?

Someone selling hyenas?

Leeby

Demonique wrote: »

Whackers WERE selling them until the furore after the Joe Duffy show

Right, but I mean the one on the long mile road that the thread title is about, they have them, but they're not for sale.

The Artist

The likelihood is that if a pet shop has legally acquired a species of caiman they will have the proper documentation to show this. If you were to purchase one without the proper papers then you would be liable to any prosecution. However as there are a number of species of caiman you would need to provide me with the scientific name of the particular species. It maybe the case that there are some species that do not require paperwork and can be sold legally from pet shops.

stevoman

damn the estate of steve irwin and his franchises!!!!!!

canislupus

What'll be next?

Someone selling hyenas?

~Mod edit: links to porn removed, user banned~

Wouldn't suprise me. Most zoos would struggle to provide a suitable enclosure for a caiman, most definitely not a suitable pet; either are any of the giant species of snake sold in alot of pet shops (Burmese python etc.)

peasant

you might want to edit that second picture there ...NSFW !!

Leeby

canislupus wrote: »

Porn link removed

Eh... is that link right??

doctor evil

Porn link removed

Eeewwww.

Alun

Leeby wrote: »

Eh... is that link right??

It's the oddest looking hyena I've ever seen, that's for sure!