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1 million euro website revamp for Lotto.ie

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  • 18-01-2008 11:18pm
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    mick.fr
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    Agency (www.agency.com) has been awarded the revamp/hosting/CRM solution contract for lotto.ie/lottery.ie

    This is a 1 million contract over 3 years

    Not bad :-)


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    #2
    AARRRGH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    I always find it mad how much companies pay for websites...


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    Bob the Builder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭Bob the Builder


    I wouldn't mind getting 1million for designing a website. tbh, I didn't like the website that was there already. I suppose the National Lottery are willing to pay whatever they have to for a solution which is really secure.


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    Orion
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    Secure for what? It's not like they accept cc payments is it - it's purely an information site. Crazy money. I'd do it for 900k :D


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    Goodshape
    Registered Users Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Macros42 wrote: »
    Secure for what? It's not like they accept cc payments is it - it's purely an information site.
    I'm not too familiar with the current site (come to think of it, I've never actually done the Lotto) but for 1million I'd expect that they're planning some sort of major overhaul. Play Lotto online or somesuch thing. That would need to be fairly secure alright.

    Still... yeah... crazy money.


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    AARRRGH
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    An information website? For 1 million...?

    Tinfoil hat: do one of the Lotto directors own agency.com? :)


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    aidan_walsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    dublindude wrote: »
    An information website? For 1 million...?

    Tinfoil hat: do one of the Lotto directors own agency.com? :)
    Its an information website now, we don't know what it will be after they revamp.


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    jhegarty
    Registered Users Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Macros42 wrote: »
    Secure for what? It's not like they accept cc payments is it - it's purely an information site. Crazy money. I'd do it for 900k :D

    I'd do it for 800k

    ps. i need to outsource an informational site for €200 ... anyone ?


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    Bob the Builder
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    mick.fr wrote: »
    Agency (www.agency.com) has been awarded the revamp/hosting/CRM solution contract for lotto.ie/lottery.ie

    This is a 1 million contract over 3 years

    Not bad :-)
    When I say secure, I mean that they will probably be storing thier information about clients etc, on a CRM. Also, some crackpot will want to hack Lotto.ie just for the craic or to prove a point.


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    Winters
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    I have no doubt the new lotto site will do what the uk lotto allows and let people to paly online using secure payments from Visa/Mastercard/Laser etc.

    For a million over 3 years I would imagine it is a lot more than just a revamp and update of the current site. I would imagine there is a large content management and online payments system on an extranet and furthermore on the intranet.

    Also, if the company is doing hosting .... well, they can charge silly amounts. Design/Dev companies usually do. Its a handy way to keep getting income :)


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    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Like all of these big contracts it would have to go out to EU tender. I suspect there's probably a whole Intranet/CRM/CMS deal behind it. It's the kind of juicy thing that has guys in suits for months on end watching and asking questions, so many questions .............
    And of course it's not just a website , it's "a portal". ;)


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    mick.fr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭mick.fr


    Here is what the job is about exactly


    The National Lottery have awarded a contract for a Website Design, Development and Hosting Project requiring the following services:

    (1)Long term strategy planning - Assisting the National Lottery in the development of its long term digital strategy.

    (2)Technical consultancy - Providing advice on all capacity and technical requirements to enable the optimum website for the National Lottery taking into account ongoing updating through game innovation.

    (3)Design consultancy - Designing a best in class website that provides a platform for consumers to access and play online games as well as being updated on lottery results, events, advertising, sponsorship etc.

    (4)Accessibility and usability consultancy - Allowing the National Lottery to access the widest possible user base of potential players.

    (5)Content Management - Providing content that both updates users on Lottery results and new games but also entertains and engages consumers online.

    (6)Campaign Planning - Devising and implementing an online marketing strategy for the National Lottery.

    (7)Customer Relationship Management Programme - Devising and implementing a CRM strategy that enables the National Lottery to build, manage, maintain and utilize an optimum customer database.

    (8)Traffic Analysis - Providing ongoing measurements of traffic through The National Lottery website and tracking site performance with key audiences and evaluating return on investment.

    (9)Operational and Disaster Recovery - providing a capability to ensure continuous user access to the primary website in the event of technical problems and operational downtime.

    When you think about it, 1 million over 3 years is not that much. 300k a year to pay at least 2-3 guys + hosting (Several dedicated servers).
    I would say the agency is actually going to struggle.


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    Gordon
    Registered Users Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    jhegarty wrote: »
    I'd do it for 800k

    ps. i need to outsource an informational site for €200 ... anyone ?
    200k? Sure. I can make it in htm or html portal version, whichever one you wish. I can even make it with a background colour of your choice, if that tickles your fancy.

    I must say though, agency.coms site has some great presentations of their portfolio.


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    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That's a very big project and any part of it could screw the whole thing up. €1 million isn't that bad and it would be quite a challenge.


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    zardette
    Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭zardette


    To make an appropriate judgment on the cost of doing the site one would need information on what new services the site will be providing ...

    For example will the re-vamp site include more interactive games on line will it be open to the whole of the EU ( mutilanguage) ....

    How can one make a quote without a full specification of the job ?

    Yes one can agree to do it for x amount of euro but it might not be a bad idea first to get information on the type of work that is invloved first :D

    So once we know what involved in the site maybe one can make a judgement that a million euros over 3 years is "good value for money".

    Z


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    flamegrill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭flamegrill


    nevf wrote: »
    When I say secure, I mean that they will probably be storing thier information about clients etc, on a CRM. Also, some crackpot will want to hack Lotto.ie just for the craic or to prove a point.

    Again? :)


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    MOD(galway)
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    no offence it does'nt even look that great.. lol


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    #18
    mick.fr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭mick.fr


    MOD(galway) wrote: »
    no offence it does'nt even look that great.. lol

    What?
    The current one ? No of course this is still the old one. They got the contract awarded recently.


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    Laslo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 831 ✭✭✭Laslo


    I suppose all we can do is reserve judgment until the site's launched.


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    #20
    Bob the Builder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭Bob the Builder


    It would want to be a nice website for one that cost €1,000,000. And it would want to be able to do some nifty tricks.


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    #21
    Draupnir
    Registered Users Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Looking at their portfolio, it's going to be Flash, which means its going to be shìt. However, 1 million over three years is reasonably considering the details of the contract and the amount of potential traffic.


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    democrates
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    What's there is good in some ways but really poor in others.

    How hard would it be to throw together an rss feed of results and a 'link to source' syndication policy so portals can automatically update? That's an easy win right there.

    There seems to be a policy of replacing ocr machines with quick-pick only, that must already be driving off people who play a standard set of numbers, I wonder how many regulars they lose each time the game changes.

    An online facility could make playing a standard ticket so convenient you'd just forget about it. Changing from physical ticket as proof, to a 'your account' system would take some work, but if paddy power can do it...


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    Zascar
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    That is a serious amount of money for a site. My guess is that they have a massive oracle database at the back with all the options for performance, security and reporting, and then CRM etc built in. That would cost several hundred thousand for the software licences alone


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    Placebo
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    for the requirements they are asking for , 1 million over 3 years isnt that great, its not a one man job at all.


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    CoNfOuNd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭CoNfOuNd


    I remember seeing this when it went out to tender. The tender includes online games, accessibility, traffic analysis, disaster recovery etc.

    The details are at:
    http://www.etenders.gov.ie/Search/Search_Switch.aspx?ID=58212

    I don't think 1 million euro is too much for the amount of work they are looking.


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    #26
    mick.fr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭mick.fr


    Zascar wrote: »
    That is a serious amount of money for a site. My guess is that they have a massive oracle database at the back with all the options for performance, security and reporting, and then CRM etc built in. That would cost several hundred thousand for the software licences alone

    Be reasonable for a sec. If they were going o use Oracle, that would be a lot more expensive than a Mil over 3 years


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    #27
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,770 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    can they not just do a deal with the uk lottery and copy their website - surely the basic workings must be similar and this would work out cheaper?


    http://www.national-lottery.co.uk


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    heggie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭heggie


    why bring up such an old thread? and why do that? should irish companies support irish business where appropriate, we'd have nothing built if everyone had that attitude


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    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,770 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    heggie wrote: »
    why bring up such an old thread? and why do that? should irish companies support irish business where appropriate, we'd have nothing built if everyone had that attitude


    Because I heard recently that there was a change on the way for the Irish lottery website and came across this thread.

    There is nothing wrong with bringing up "such an old thread" (January 08) if I choose to do so.

    So you feel Irish companies should support Irish business - fine, but it doesn't mean my argument is not a valid one. It is, after all, our money that funds the lottery.

    As for "having nothing built if everyone had that attitude" - we might have a few better websites given the quality of a lot of Irish websites compared to their UK counterparts.


    edit: just noticed that this thread is on a web development forum so I can understand the reaction to a degree!


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    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with bringing up "such an old thread" (January 08) if I choose to do so.

    Actually, there is. Its up to the moderators of the forum, but its normally frowned upon by people on Boards (including me) when people bump a topic and add nothing useful.

    Drags on with ****e responses like mine then :p


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    #31
    turgon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭turgon


    The same company did dulux.co.uk, and apparently they have 8 offices around the world. I would imagine we will all be able to satisfy our urge to win €18 million online from the comfort of our home in future.

    On another note what really annoys me on the Dulux site is that thing down the right hand side that stays on the screen if you scroll down. When are people going to realize it can be done with like one line of css and doesnt bob up and down like the stupid Javascript one does?


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