Can I put OSX Leopard on my computer?

papu · 08-01-2008 5:38pm

yup yup , they switched to intel , casue i guess steve was tired of bending all the warped macbooks

those powerpc cpu's were Hooooooot

Anti · 08-01-2008 5:42pm

No seriously. I actually think apple pc's are the fisher price of the personal computing world. I mean they dont even trust you people to have a right mouse button. Yes the hardware is now good in them, but its not put to use.

aidan_walsh · 08-01-2008 5:48pm

Anti wrote:

. I mean they dont even trust you people to have a right mouse button.

All currently shipping Apple mice have right button functionality that is disabled by default because thats the expected method for most existing Mac users. Its quite a simple change to make for anyone else.

Anti wrote:

its not put to use.

Qualification please.

Sad Professor · 08-01-2008 5:54pm

Yeah, Macs have come with a multi-button mouse for over 2 years now. Anti, do you have any actual experience of macs and OSX? 'cause it sounds like your talking out of your arse.

440Hz · 08-01-2008 5:58pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Anti, do you have any actual experience of macs and OSX? 'cause it sounds like your talking out of your arse.

I think he is talking out of his "Intel C2Q Q6600 @ 3.95Ghz(1.42v)|Something special ||TR Ultra Extreme 120 w/ ys-tech 125cfm 2600rpm|4GB Geil black dragon ddr2 @ 1100Mhz 4-3-4-4-10 2.15v|2 x Evga 8800GTX @ 705/1100Mhz/1450mhz shader|Creative X-fi Fatal1ty Platinum|2x 500gb Spinpoints|2x 250gb Spinpoints|2x 36GB Raptors|Silverstone TJ-07 w/ Window|Corsair HX620|Dell E228WFP| Fatal1ty 1010 | Q-pad |"

aidan_walsh · 08-01-2008 6:02pm

tuxy wrote: »

Lads, clearly the snes is better then the mega drive. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like baseless idiotic fanboism in any regard, but I just couldn't help but wonder what Anti thinks Apple is doing wrong that the best isn't being gotten out of the hardware.

astrofool · 08-01-2008 6:16pm

440Hz wrote: »

hehe! I love it.

Like it has been said, it's possible, but illegal, and because it's illegal and blatantly defies Apple's EULA then the "how to" should not be discussed here, certainly not to the point where people are providing links to information on how to do it.

Has this ever been challenged in the courts? Has apple ever successfully sued someone over it? I could put that the user has to be a tin of baked beans into the license of any software I create, that doesn't mean it's legally enforcable. In fact, in many cases, this type of EULA has usually been completely struck down in courts when challenged. Compaq reverse engineered the BIOS, Mod chips are completely against the terms set out by console manufacturers, and yet are legal. DECSS is illegal in the USA, but legal in many other countries.

cornbb · 08-01-2008 6:16pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Ugh... OS X on a dell. That's just wrong.

Why on earth is that wrong? A superior OS on reasonably priced and configurable hardware. Installing Windows on a Mac (shítty OS on overpriced proprietary hardware), now THATS wrong...

aidan_walsh · 08-01-2008 6:20pm

astrofool wrote: »

Has this ever been challenged in the courts? Has apple ever successfully sued someone over it? I could put that the user has to be a tin of baked beans into the license of any software I create, that doesn't mean it's legally enforcable. In fact, in many cases, this type of EULA has usually been completely struck down in courts when challenged. Compaq reverse engineered the BIOS, Mod chips are completely against the terms set out by console manufacturers, and yet are legal. DECSS is illegal in the USA, but legal in many other countries.

Illegal doesn't have to mean against the law, it can also mean don't bother contacting us if/when it all goes wrong because we ain't responsible, liable or going to help.

cornbb · 08-01-2008 6:24pm

astrofool wrote: »

Has this ever been challenged in the courts? Has apple ever successfully sued someone over it? I could put that the user has to be a tin of baked beans into the license of any software I create, that doesn't mean it's legally enforcable. In fact, in many cases, this type of EULA has usually been completely struck down in courts when challenged. Compaq reverse engineered the BIOS, Mod chips are completely against the terms set out by console manufacturers, and yet are legal. DECSS is illegal in the USA, but legal in many other countries.

If Apple's EULA (restricting OS X to Apple hardware) were ever successfully legally challenged then that'd be the end of the company. Their components are clearly overpriced and represent the vast bulk of their profit margin. The OS is by far the best thing Mac has going for it, they haven't even bothered implementing serious copy protection on any software products as anyone who uses it will need to buy their hardware anyway. Logic Studio (another great Apple product) had its price slashed massively recently despite many improvements, just to tempt users to buy Apple hw I suspect.

Villain · 08-01-2008 6:31pm

In my experience it is mostly yanks that use Mac's, that says a lot, however I also know people who work with graphics prefer Mac's so I said I'd see what its like, looks great too.

Sad Professor · 08-01-2008 7:06pm

cornbb wrote: »

Why on earth is that wrong? A superior OS on reasonably priced and configurable hardware. Installing Windows on a Mac (shítty OS on overpriced proprietary hardware), now THATS wrong...

Part of the reason OSX is the superior OS is because Apple have complete control of the hardware. This software/hardware combination creates a seamless experience that makes macs a lot less hassle to deal with, there's none of the f**king around with drivers that windows users are so used to. Apple simply wouldn't have the resources to deal with an unpredicatable hardware base. MS have a hard enough time as it is.

But I'm no Apple fanboy, especially when it comes to their hardware. I'll be the first to say that it is in some cases crippled and overpriced but Apple don't see themselves as selling hardware + software but rather a complete experience. One which is worth every penny imo.

Villain wrote:

In my experience it is mostly yanks that use Mac's, that says a lot

A lot more of them use Windows, what does that say?

conor2007 · 08-01-2008 7:24pm

jayus , yer mans livin in 2003 with his mac views

ssh - nice one

cornbb · 08-01-2008 7:29pm

Villain wrote: »

In my experience it is mostly yanks that use Mac's, that says a lot, however I also know people who work with graphics prefer Mac's so I said I'd see what its like, looks great too.

In terms of day to day usage there's not much difference between the two systems from a users point of view. There's very little that one system can do that the other can't. When its boiled down, the differences for users amount to:

- Specialist needs (e.g. there might a piece of software/hardware needed that is not available for both systems)
- Usability. When you look at it broadly the 2 systems are 99% the same. Whether someone or other thinks one or the other is better usually depends on which one they have used the most. Having used both I'd say OS X has the edge, but thats just my opinion.
- Lifestyle choice. Some people will buy a Mac because they are "prettier", others use PCs because they have an unfounded preconception that "Macs are crap". Both are pretty stupid reasons to go with either system, IMO.

Sad Professor wrote: »

Part of the reason OSX is the superior OS is because Apple have complete control of the hardware. This software/hardware combination creates a seamless experience that makes macs a lot less hassle to deal with, there's none of the f**king around with drivers that windows users are so used to. Apple simply wouldn't have the resources to deal with an unpredicatable hardware base. MS have a hard enough time as it is.

But I'm no Apple fanboy, especially when it comes to their hardware. I'll be the first to say that it is in some cases crippled and overpriced but Apple don't see themselves as selling hardware + software but rather a complete experience. One which is worth every penny imo.

I agree with you about the "complete experience" thing, it has advantages (everything designed by one company) and disadvantages (lack of choice of hardware components, hence higher prices).

I'm not sure if I buy the argument about Apple having greater control over the hardware. Apple still need to support a huge range of peripherals plus they need to provide legacy support for an older chipset (PowerPC). There is a certain amount of f**king around with drivers in Windows but I think thats more down to a poorly designed frontend/workflow than it is to do with the implementation of drivers. Then again I don't know much about the lower levels of hardware architecture. Macs don't tend to score higher in benchmark tests compared to equivalent PCs, AFAIK.

PeakOutput · 08-01-2008 7:58pm

lads this argument is so redundant at this stage.

as i see it this is what seperates it for people who arent ****ing about with code(like me) and one or all of the below reasons can apply.

if you wana be a serious gamer/build your own computer/not have to change what uv been brought up with/get a cheap computer for searching the net/not have hassle regarding compatibility(generally) then get a pc.

if you care about looks/dont mind changing how you work for a potentially better workflow/are into serious music/video/image production/recording editing/have some money to burn then get a mac.

whoever said the fact the majority of mac users are in the states confuses me as im not sure if he means it as a good thing. the stereotype of americans is that the are stupid if this is the case you would assume they would pick the easier/more user friendly system which most people,at first, believe is the pc. if he means it the other way in that america is the world leader in film music and other media production and the fact that macs are the favoursed platform in the media world then i agree that it says alot.

i only switched from pc about 2 months ago so im hardly a fanboy of either

Sad Professor · 08-01-2008 8:01pm

cornbb wrote: »

Apple still need to support a huge range of peripherals plus they need to provide legacy support for an older chipset (PowerPC).

True but they still control the actual computer itself which is the most important thing. They have a list of exactly what hardware-combinations their software needs to be able to run on and since they are the manufacturer they don't have to worry about Dell, HP, etc throwing a wrench in it down the road.

And isn't it really for the peripheral manufacturer to support Apple software as apposed to the other way around? I mean Leopard broke a few things but Apple will tell you it's not their problem. In any case Apple has a far easier job than Microsoft.

daveirl · 08-01-2008 8:42pm

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PeakOutput · 08-01-2008 8:47pm

daveirl wrote: »

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ehhh? they dont

havnt seen anyone in the thread saying they shouldnt do it coz they personally dont want them to they just said its illegal but eulas are notoriously shaky ground and it will jsut take one case to bring them all down(more than likely a massive games company versus a conglomerate of gamers imo)

Dr_Teeth · 08-01-2008 9:18pm

Let's be clear, running Apple's OS on a PC is not "illegal". You are not committing a crime. The Gardai are not going to haul you off to prison.

Apple, could, in theory start a civil case against you for breaking a contract with them (buying their software, agreeing to the licence and then using the software in a manner that contravenes the licence) but they would be very hard pressed to show damages caused by you buying their product and using it with one computer instead of another.

In fact, if challenged their licence could well end up being ruled as anti-competitive bundling or leveraging.

Oriel · 09-01-2008 10:55am

This is not about which OS is better. It's about ****ing idiots like Anti classing all Mac users as retards.

Villain · 09-01-2008 11:09am

Well the Mac runs well on VMWare with the exception that I haven't yet got networking going, haven't tried any of the troubleshooting steps though.

I know I've used Windows for over a decade but good God the Mac seems weird to navigate, I would love to see stats on what percentage of computers run Windows, Linux, Unix or Mac in Ireland, Europe and the US. I'm sure the US must have the highest percentage.

It does have a kind of gimmick feel to it, but thats only compared Windows I presume, its a bit like religion imo, if you given a Mac as your first computer you will learn how to be a mac user and everything else seems weird and hard to understand at first.

Anti · 09-01-2008 11:56am

Oriel wrote: »

This is not about which OS is better. It's about ****ing idiots like Anti classing all Mac users as retards.

From my experience all mac users are retards.

cornbb · 09-01-2008 11:57am

Villain wrote: »

I know I've used Windows for over a decade but good God the Mac seems weird to navigate, I would love to see stats on what percentage of computers run Windows, Linux, Unix or Mac in Ireland, Europe and the US. I'm sure the US must have the highest percentage.

It does have a kind of gimmick feel to it, but thats only compared Windows I presume, its a bit like religion imo, if you given a Mac as your first computer you will learn how to be a mac user and everything else seems weird and hard to understand at first.

Its definitely a matter of what you are used to, but you'll get used to the OS after a while. There are some key differences that are confusing and sometimes infuriating at first (e.g. closing an application's window does not actually quit the application) but these become second nature after a while. I'm a big fan of OS X's Finder, Dock, the way the filesystem is structured etc, although I hated them at first. As you said people just tend to prefer what they are used to, after that the differences are mostly academic.

cornbb · 09-01-2008 11:59am

Anti wrote: »

From my experience all mac users are retards.

I could say something about people who feel the need to brag about their rigs in their sigs, right down to the cooling fans.

(P.S. your soundcard sucks balls

)

Anti · 09-01-2008 12:00pm

Anti wrote: »

From my experience all mac users are retards.

Okay that was ott. Not all of them are retards, just 80-90%

Anti · 09-01-2008 12:02pm

cornbb wrote: »

I could say something about people who feel the need to brag about their rigs in their sigs, right down to the cooling fans.

(P.S. your soundcard sucks balls )

Yeah tell me about it

aidan_walsh · 09-01-2008 12:39pm

Anti wrote: »

From my experience all mac users are retards.

Way to counter argue to the points raised. Kudos.

ntlbell · 09-01-2008 12:47pm

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Way to counter argue to the points raised. Kudos.

He has a bit of a point.

Chardee MacDennis · 09-01-2008 1:15pm

Anti you are full of sh1t.... any mac user i know, knows how to fix their computer when stuff goes wrong while 90% of windows users i know haven't got a clue and come running to me when the simplest thing goes wrong.

It is windows users who are stupid if not for the fact that their knowledge of their OS is so poor, but for the fact they don't have the intelligence to be able to switch between OS's easily.

Also the fact that its mostly yanks who use macs is the worst anti-mac argument i have every heard and is totally baseless...

djmarkus · 09-01-2008 1:19pm

Bah. both macos and windows sucks. SO THERE

Can I put OSX Leopard on my computer?

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