Can I put OSX Leopard on my computer?

Troublesome

I have a dell with windows XP as the default OS.

I was wondering whether I would need to be HXC computer kid to be able to do it, or whether it would just be a straightforward load from the disc?

Spear

Troublesome wrote: »

I have a dell with windows XP as the default OS.

I was wondering whether I would need to be HXC computer kid to be able to do it, or whether it would just be a straightforward load from the disc?

Not legally and not without great difficulty.

bushy...

Google will find it for you , search for something like: OSX on pc -blog

mayto

insanelymac forums have guides i think


doesnt seem too hard, but i think it's recommended that you have a seperate harddrive for it (i.e not have xp on same harddrive)

Sqaull20

Best to try live cd's first to get the feel....

I have ubuntu 7.10 dual booting on a vostro xp laptop....

Getting the wifi working was the hardest part

PogMoThoin

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Best to try live cd's first to get the feel....

:rolleyes: Live cd's, its not a linux distro he's wantin 2 install


To the OP, yes its possible to put OSX on a pc, but its illegal & nobody here is allowed to help you...forum rules. Ask uncle google

Sqaull20

PogMoThoin wrote: »

:rolleyes: Live cd's, its not a linux distro he's wantin 2 install

Whats wrong with trying live cd's before giving dual booting a go?

Archytas

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Whats wrong with trying live cd's before giving dual booting a go?

OSX Leopard doesn't have a live CD... No Apple OS does...

Jonathan

No you cant load OSX on a PC

Sad Professor

Ugh... OS X on a dell. That's just wrong.

papu

Sad Professor wrote: »

Ugh... OS X on a dell. That's just wrong.

wrong and illegal....

why would you want to anyway?

its like putting square wheels on a car...

kaisersose77

check youtube , it seems to run fine

papu

kaisersose77 wrote: »

check youtube , it seems to run fine

i never said it wouldnt run fine , its just unless u wanna look at a pretty ui its pointless

allen175

Here is a way to do it http://www.thehotfix.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=17866

i never got it working myself though, but loads of people have.

mordeith

You could always try installing it using Virtualbox. This allows you install a separate OS on your PC but all it's doing is creating an ordinary folder on your harddrive. Virtualbox leads the new OS to thinking it's installing directly onto the PC. I installed Debian using it and it works a treat with no risk to your current setup.

Villain

VMWare will run it fine, as for it been illegal well if you purchase a mac you can the deactivate it and install the licence on other hardware. I plan on loading 10.4.8 on vmware tonight on my Sony Laptop I'll let you know how I get on.

papu

Villain wrote: »

VMWare will run it fine, as for it been illegal well if you purchase a mac you can the deactivate it and install the licence on other hardware. I plan on loading 10.4.8 on vmware tonight on my Sony Laptop I'll let you know how I get on.

no , the allmighty jobbs has ruled that you cant run it on anything other than a Macintosh

Jonathan

papu wrote: »

no , the allmighty jobbs has ruled that you cant run it on anything other than a Macintosh

Spot on.. Its part of the Eula (or what ever the mac version is..)

astrofool

Unless they have had it challenged in court and won, then the legality is questionable. They can put whatever they want in the EULA, doesn't mean it's legally enforcable. Apple are pr*cks when it comes to what you can and can't do with your machine/software and if anyone gets any sort of insider info on them.

You'd never see MS stop their software being installed on a platform (if it's paid for).

Villain

Well I've got past the pre-install bit in Sony Vaio with Vista and VMWare Workstation with Centrio CPU's. Its carrying out the install now.

papu

astrofool wrote: »

Unless they have had it challenged in court and won, then the legality is questionable. They can put whatever they want in the EULA, doesn't mean it's legally enforcable. Apple are pr*cks when it comes to what you can and can't do with your machine/software and if anyone gets any sort of insider info on them.

You'd never see MS stop their software being installed on a platform (if it's paid for).

erm

2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.

A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.

ok? its illegal , and he's discussing it on the forum lock thread mod please. just cause its about apple and such doesnt matter.

Villain

I might have a big apple label on my Vaio how do you know?

papu

Villain wrote: »

I might have a big apple label on my Vaio how do you know?

unless steve comes to your house and "bless's" your laptop, it isnt an official apple product XD

Villain

Slow to install but its running

SeanW

Hate to sound like a Windows fanboy, but why in f**k would you even want to install *any* Mac OS on PC hardware?

tuxy

SeanW wrote: »

Hate to sound like a Windows fanboy, but why in f**k would you even want to install *any* Mac OS on PC hardware?

To see why some people love apple products.(without the expense)

papu

SeanW wrote: »

Hate to sound like a Windows fanboy, but why in f**k would you even want to install *any* Mac OS on PC hardware?

lol any mac os , their all the same :P

440Hz

papu wrote: »

unless steve comes to your house and "bless's" your laptop, it isnt an official apple product XD

hehe! I love it.

Like it has been said, it's possible, but illegal, and because it's illegal and blatantly defies Apple's EULA then the "how to" should not be discussed here, certainly not to the point where people are providing links to information on how to do it.

far2gud

Correct me if im wrong here but arent the new apple products based on pc architecture? ie, core2duo+ Intel boards

AlmightyCushion

far2gud wrote: »

Correct me if im wrong here but arent the new apple products based on pc architecture? ie, core2duo+ Intel boards

Yep, they are running core 2 duos.

440Hz

Villain wrote: »

LOL very good Anti

Oh yeah hilarious..

Yes the current lines are based on Intel, but what difference does that make, this thread is about the OPERATING SYSTEM, not the hardware.

papu

yup yup , they switched to intel , casue i guess steve was tired of bending all the warped macbooks those powerpc cpu's were Hooooooot

Anti

No seriously. I actually think apple pc's are the fisher price of the personal computing world. I mean they dont even trust you people to have a right mouse button. Yes the hardware is now good in them, but its not put to use.

aidan_walsh

Anti wrote:

. I mean they dont even trust you people to have a right mouse button.

All currently shipping Apple mice have right button functionality that is disabled by default because thats the expected method for most existing Mac users. Its quite a simple change to make for anyone else.

Anti wrote:

its not put to use.

Qualification please.

Sad Professor

Yeah, Macs have come with a multi-button mouse for over 2 years now. Anti, do you have any actual experience of macs and OSX? 'cause it sounds like your talking out of your arse.

440Hz

Sad Professor wrote: »

Anti, do you have any actual experience of macs and OSX? 'cause it sounds like your talking out of your arse.

I think he is talking out of his "Intel C2Q Q6600 @ 3.95Ghz(1.42v)|Something special ||TR Ultra Extreme 120 w/ ys-tech 125cfm 2600rpm|4GB Geil black dragon ddr2 @ 1100Mhz 4-3-4-4-10 2.15v|2 x Evga 8800GTX @ 705/1100Mhz/1450mhz shader|Creative X-fi Fatal1ty Platinum|2x 500gb Spinpoints|2x 250gb Spinpoints|2x 36GB Raptors|Silverstone TJ-07 w/ Window|Corsair HX620|Dell E228WFP| Fatal1ty 1010 | Q-pad |"

aidan_walsh

tuxy wrote: »

Lads, clearly the snes is better then the mega drive. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like baseless idiotic fanboism in any regard, but I just couldn't help but wonder what Anti thinks Apple is doing wrong that the best isn't being gotten out of the hardware.

astrofool

440Hz wrote: »

hehe! I love it.

Like it has been said, it's possible, but illegal, and because it's illegal and blatantly defies Apple's EULA then the "how to" should not be discussed here, certainly not to the point where people are providing links to information on how to do it.

Has this ever been challenged in the courts? Has apple ever successfully sued someone over it? I could put that the user has to be a tin of baked beans into the license of any software I create, that doesn't mean it's legally enforcable. In fact, in many cases, this type of EULA has usually been completely struck down in courts when challenged. Compaq reverse engineered the BIOS, Mod chips are completely against the terms set out by console manufacturers, and yet are legal. DECSS is illegal in the USA, but legal in many other countries.

cornbb

Sad Professor wrote: »

Ugh... OS X on a dell. That's just wrong.

Why on earth is that wrong? A superior OS on reasonably priced and configurable hardware. Installing Windows on a Mac (shítty OS on overpriced proprietary hardware), now THATS wrong...

aidan_walsh

astrofool wrote: »

Has this ever been challenged in the courts? Has apple ever successfully sued someone over it? I could put that the user has to be a tin of baked beans into the license of any software I create, that doesn't mean it's legally enforcable. In fact, in many cases, this type of EULA has usually been completely struck down in courts when challenged. Compaq reverse engineered the BIOS, Mod chips are completely against the terms set out by console manufacturers, and yet are legal. DECSS is illegal in the USA, but legal in many other countries.

Illegal doesn't have to mean against the law, it can also mean don't bother contacting us if/when it all goes wrong because we ain't responsible, liable or going to help.

cornbb

astrofool wrote: »

Has this ever been challenged in the courts? Has apple ever successfully sued someone over it? I could put that the user has to be a tin of baked beans into the license of any software I create, that doesn't mean it's legally enforcable. In fact, in many cases, this type of EULA has usually been completely struck down in courts when challenged. Compaq reverse engineered the BIOS, Mod chips are completely against the terms set out by console manufacturers, and yet are legal. DECSS is illegal in the USA, but legal in many other countries.

If Apple's EULA (restricting OS X to Apple hardware) were ever successfully legally challenged then that'd be the end of the company. Their components are clearly overpriced and represent the vast bulk of their profit margin. The OS is by far the best thing Mac has going for it, they haven't even bothered implementing serious copy protection on any software products as anyone who uses it will need to buy their hardware anyway. Logic Studio (another great Apple product) had its price slashed massively recently despite many improvements, just to tempt users to buy Apple hw I suspect.

Villain

In my experience it is mostly yanks that use Mac's, that says a lot, however I also know people who work with graphics prefer Mac's so I said I'd see what its like, looks great too.

Sad Professor

cornbb wrote: »

Why on earth is that wrong? A superior OS on reasonably priced and configurable hardware. Installing Windows on a Mac (shítty OS on overpriced proprietary hardware), now THATS wrong...

Part of the reason OSX is the superior OS is because Apple have complete control of the hardware. This software/hardware combination creates a seamless experience that makes macs a lot less hassle to deal with, there's none of the f**king around with drivers that windows users are so used to. Apple simply wouldn't have the resources to deal with an unpredicatable hardware base. MS have a hard enough time as it is.

But I'm no Apple fanboy, especially when it comes to their hardware. I'll be the first to say that it is in some cases crippled and overpriced but Apple don't see themselves as selling hardware + software but rather a complete experience. One which is worth every penny imo.

Villain wrote:

In my experience it is mostly yanks that use Mac's, that says a lot

A lot more of them use Windows, what does that say?

conor2007

jayus , yer mans livin in 2003 with his mac views

ssh - nice one

cornbb

Villain wrote: »

In my experience it is mostly yanks that use Mac's, that says a lot, however I also know people who work with graphics prefer Mac's so I said I'd see what its like, looks great too.

In terms of day to day usage there's not much difference between the two systems from a users point of view. There's very little that one system can do that the other can't. When its boiled down, the differences for users amount to:

- Specialist needs (e.g. there might a piece of software/hardware needed that is not available for both systems)
- Usability. When you look at it broadly the 2 systems are 99% the same. Whether someone or other thinks one or the other is better usually depends on which one they have used the most. Having used both I'd say OS X has the edge, but thats just my opinion.
- Lifestyle choice. Some people will buy a Mac because they are "prettier", others use PCs because they have an unfounded preconception that "Macs are crap". Both are pretty stupid reasons to go with either system, IMO.

Sad Professor wrote: »

Part of the reason OSX is the superior OS is because Apple have complete control of the hardware. This software/hardware combination creates a seamless experience that makes macs a lot less hassle to deal with, there's none of the f**king around with drivers that windows users are so used to. Apple simply wouldn't have the resources to deal with an unpredicatable hardware base. MS have a hard enough time as it is.

But I'm no Apple fanboy, especially when it comes to their hardware. I'll be the first to say that it is in some cases crippled and overpriced but Apple don't see themselves as selling hardware + software but rather a complete experience. One which is worth every penny imo.

I agree with you about the "complete experience" thing, it has advantages (everything designed by one company) and disadvantages (lack of choice of hardware components, hence higher prices).

I'm not sure if I buy the argument about Apple having greater control over the hardware. Apple still need to support a huge range of peripherals plus they need to provide legacy support for an older chipset (PowerPC). There is a certain amount of f**king around with drivers in Windows but I think thats more down to a poorly designed frontend/workflow than it is to do with the implementation of drivers. Then again I don't know much about the lower levels of hardware architecture. Macs don't tend to score higher in benchmark tests compared to equivalent PCs, AFAIK.

PeakOutput

lads this argument is so redundant at this stage.

as i see it this is what seperates it for people who arent ****ing about with code(like me) and one or all of the below reasons can apply.

if you wana be a serious gamer/build your own computer/not have to change what uv been brought up with/get a cheap computer for searching the net/not have hassle regarding compatibility(generally) then get a pc.

if you care about looks/dont mind changing how you work for a potentially better workflow/are into serious music/video/image production/recording editing/have some money to burn then get a mac.

whoever said the fact the majority of mac users are in the states confuses me as im not sure if he means it as a good thing. the stereotype of americans is that the are stupid if this is the case you would assume they would pick the easier/more user friendly system which most people,at first, believe is the pc. if he means it the other way in that america is the world leader in film music and other media production and the fact that macs are the favoursed platform in the media world then i agree that it says alot.

i only switched from pc about 2 months ago so im hardly a fanboy of either

Sad Professor

cornbb wrote: »

Apple still need to support a huge range of peripherals plus they need to provide legacy support for an older chipset (PowerPC).

True but they still control the actual computer itself which is the most important thing. They have a list of exactly what hardware-combinations their software needs to be able to run on and since they are the manufacturer they don't have to worry about Dell, HP, etc throwing a wrench in it down the road.

And isn't it really for the peripheral manufacturer to support Apple software as apposed to the other way around? I mean Leopard broke a few things but Apple will tell you it's not their problem. In any case Apple has a far easier job than Microsoft.

daveirl

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PeakOutput

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ehhh? they dont

havnt seen anyone in the thread saying they shouldnt do it coz they personally dont want them to they just said its illegal but eulas are notoriously shaky ground and it will jsut take one case to bring them all down(more than likely a massive games company versus a conglomerate of gamers imo)

Dr_Teeth

Let's be clear, running Apple's OS on a PC is not "illegal". You are not committing a crime. The Gardai are not going to haul you off to prison.

Apple, could, in theory start a civil case against you for breaking a contract with them (buying their software, agreeing to the licence and then using the software in a manner that contravenes the licence) but they would be very hard pressed to show damages caused by you buying their product and using it with one computer instead of another.

In fact, if challenged their licence could well end up being ruled as anti-competitive bundling or leveraging.

Oriel

This is not about which OS is better. It's about ****ing idiots like Anti classing all Mac users as retards.