Begging in Traffic

Dub13

This has become widespread over the last couple of years,its crazy now in Dublin you cant make a journey of more then a couple of miles without seen someone begging in traffic.They have absolutely no regard for there own safety,I drive a bike as well as a car and a couple of times these people have popped out of nowhere and nearly caused a major accident,IMO its only a matter of time before one of them is seriously hurt.

I have also noticed over the last while that they are getting a lot more aggressive especially towards woman traveling alone,now I am not talking about major aggression but you know the kind of stuff staying at the womans car and staring in.I know from talking to MrsDub 13 about this that it intimidates her big time when she is on her own with the kids.

Anyway the point of this thread is does anybody know if this practice is illegal...?If its not it should be and if it is illegal then there should be a major clamp down.

Rant Over.

feylya

At the very least, they're jay walking but I'm sure there's a few other laws they're breaking too

artanevilla

Tactically position the screen washers.

mikemac

Maybe the Evening Herald sellers should be included and while they are not out to hassle people it's a dangerous job, especially when bikers are filtering in the queues of traffic.

I'm amazed it's still allowed. The council are missing out on rates that they'd get if it was sold in newsagents.

Beggars only do this because it works.
If 100% of people stopped for a month then this would end. Someone is giving enough money to make it worthwhile for entire families.
Is it you??

Jesus Wept

artanevilla wrote: »

Tactically position the screen washers.

Great idea. :rolleyes:

micmclo wrote: »

I'm amazed it's still allowed. The council are missing out on rates that they'd get if it was sold in newsagents.

Can you elaborate on that

Rb

I've noticed an increase in it alright, and an increase in the aggressiveness of beggers in Dublin in general. It's no longer sitting in doorways with a cup, they're now sitting at ATMs, Luas ticket machines, begging at your car, approaching you at the smoking areas of nightclubs etc.
What can be done about it though? They're usually fine if you just say "no", but it's easy to say this from a males point of view, I'd imagine women, particularly women by themselves, find it much more intimdating.

However, I did see some Romas being moved from an ATM off grafton street recently by the Gardai, which was much appreciated. Absolutely sick of it at this stage, there's a lot of homeless people on our streets that need the few euro a lot more than these con artists, yet people still fund them.

I know it's easier said than done, particularly for women, but we really need to put the foot down and stop giving these people money WHATSOEVER. Not a cent. Don't even acknowledge them, if we ignore them, they may *just* go away.

RobbieTheRobber

feylya wrote: »

At the very least, they're jay walking but I'm sure there's a few other laws they're breaking too

jaywalking isn't that some american law?

Jesus Wept

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

jaywalking isn't that some american law?

It's an American term but I think a similar law exists here, it's just one of the ones that isn't applied.

RobbieTheRobber

The-Rigger wrote: »

It's an American term but I think a similar law exists here, it's just one of the ones that isn't applied.

i dont think there is such a law I think it comes down to personal responsibility in this fine country

Fringe

Begging is illegal in Ireland. Not enforced though.

Jesus Wept

Fringe wrote: »

Begging is illegal in Ireland. Not enforced though.

Thought it was made legal within the last 12 months.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Amazingly its now legal to beg in Ireland.

the_syco

artanevilla wrote: »

Tactically position the screen washers.

Are tasers legal in this country?

=-=

I find a "f**k off", followed by a "f**k off and get a job, you f**king piece of sh|t" if they ask why, usually works for the beggars on the street.

Lil' Smiler

I'm a girl and I feel so so intimidated by these beggars that are at the Cherrywood flyover at Loughlinstown but even more so by people at ATMs, i don't like that at all and it really shouldn't be allowed.

There's always at least 2 people sitting under the ATm's on whatever road it is that The Palace/ Vicar Street etc is on... i hate it!!

And I do not like at all when a group 2/3 women on grafton street come up to me with children in tow... i probably makes me sound horrible but am i wrong to be suspicious that the mor eof them there is that they have some plan to pick pocket??

Rb

Laser and the credit card companies could certainly use this to their advantage.

Terry

feylya wrote: »

At the very least, they're jay walking but I'm sure there's a few other laws they're breaking too

No law against that here.

Gaelic Ghost

Gypsies have a tendency to surround your car and knock on all the windows driving you into submission..... or in my case alot of shouting

Jeapy

I was in the newsagents on Grafton Street (the one accross form the Bagel Factory) recently and watched a begger count out his 5 and 10 cent coins...just enough for a can of cheap cider. Im sceptical of all beggers, and pretty intimidated by the ones at ATMs.
I had an "incident" with one in Mayo before at a Dunnes car park paystation. He said "Give me money please". I ignored. " PLEASE give me money, I SOOOO hungry". I ignored. He followed me back to my car, broad daylight thank God, and kept shouting abouse. P1sses me off so bad. Surely Dunnes security should be doing something about this kind of thing?

Edit...Ive never come accross any in Dublin traffic driving around Camden St, Kevin St, Harcourt St, South Circular Road etc. Are there certain places where this happens?

stepbar

I think that high street banks will have to stop having ATM's outside their premises. When I was in the states during the summer, most banks in New York had a lobby area where you swiped your ATM card to get in. AFAIK, The only branch in the city centre which implements such a system is AIB on Grafton St.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Jeapy wrote: »

Edit...Ive never come accross any in Dublin traffic driving around Camden St, Kevin St, Harcourt St, South Circular Road etc. Are there certain places where this happens?

The famous wench on the M50/M1 round-a-bout.

The boy with the gimpy foot at the Darndale Hilton/Clarehall Tesco junction.

And the lad at Bargain Town on King St.

Jeapy

Mairt wrote: »

The famous wench on the M50/M1 round-a-bout.

The boy with the gimpy foot at the Darndale Hilton/Clarehall Tesco junction.

And the lad at Bargain Town on King St.

Im never near any of them places...safe for now!

Jonathan

Mairt wrote: »

The boy with the gimpy foot at the Darndale Hilton/Clarehall Tesco junction.

I know the exact guy your talkin about...

vms7ply9t6dw4b

Mairt wrote: »

The famous wench on the M50/M1 round-a-bout.

Apparently, she lives in Drogheda and never seems to forget her false leg when shes out walking her dog :rolleyes:

Jesus Wept

Mairt wrote: »

Amazingly its now legal to beg in Ireland.

Have ya any spare change bro

phantom_lord

rb_ie wrote: »

Absolutely sick of it at this stage, there's a lot of homeless people on our streets that need the few euro a lot more than these con artists, yet people still fund them.

a homeless person gave me money once (honestly!), most of them are probably aren't desperate or anything, it's just easier than having a job. when he was young my dad knew some kid that used to be sent out by his dad to beg on the street and he made about as much from begging as my dad did from his job.

chuggers, beggers, romanians, charity people, all of them should be rounded up, taken off the streets and shot, or at least arrested/warned or something, just get them out of my ****ing way. :mad:

edit: i've only ever given one person on the street money (other than some good street entertainers), and it was some dude sitting on the side of the street with a sign saying "please give me money for drugs". at least he was honest.

Misael Uninterested Bassinet wrote: »

Apparently, she lives in Drogheda and never seems to forget her false leg when shes out walking her dog :rolleyes:

yeah she used to out begging in drogheda loads, gone the last couple of months, must have gone to a better place i guess.

Andrewf20

I know of the begging woman at the M50 / M1 intersection and the guy down at Tesco in Clare hall with the bad legs. I usually give them a few bob. That woman seems to be there rain or shine, day or night. My heart goes out to them tbh.

The only thing that does my head in, in relation to this, is those goons who come up to you car and start washing the window, and the bloody window is already clean enough.

WhiteWashMan

Ive never begged in traffic. I do it at ATM machines.

'Here Mister, any chance of a tanner?

phasers

run em down

arybvtcw0eolkf

Andrewf20 wrote: »

I know of the begging woman at the M50 / M1 intersection and the guy down at Tesco in Clare hall with the bad legs. I usually give them a few bob. That woman seems to be there rain or shine, day or night. My heart goes out to them tbh.

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When I see people like you give them money I feel like ringing your neck.

Your responsible for these parasites aggressively begging from the people who don't immediately come accross with money.

My OH is terrified of that girl on the M50/M1. Twice she's spat on her car.

As for the boy with the gimp, checkout his father and younger brother watching you from the wall at Tesco's. That guy turns my stomach, he hobbles up to the lights, takes off his runner and rolls up the leg of his pants to expose his gimpy foot. Sickening.

Andrewf20 wrote: »

The only thing that does my head in, in relation to this, is those goons who come up to you car and start washing the window, and the bloody window is already clean enough.

Although these used to annoy me I haven't seen them around for awhile, and at least they were willing to work for the few bob they got. Although hardly breaking their backs either.

togster

Mairt wrote: »

The famous wench on the M50/M1 round-a-bout.

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Theres a chick near swords who has one leg too. She hops around in the middle of the road.

cance

yeah there was a gimpy legged foreigner begging on the loughlinstown fly over this weekend, its a really long traffic light too so if you get stuck hes there beside ya for about 4-5 mins.

next time i see him ill tell the missus to grab his crutch while we drive by, give him something to really complain about.

Mairt wrote: »

When I see people like you give them money I feel like ringing your neck.

Couldnt agree more, why do people give money to these ****ing degenerates? gimpy leg? too bad not my problem.

nads

we already have our pikeys and we're very pleased with them.

there's a great comparison at the Newlands cross junction turning right to the Belgard road, there's a blondy Eastern Block girl working selling Heralds, then at the barriers there's a bearded gimpy Roma gypsy lad, auld boy, complete with hi-vis begging... even if his leg was fine and was given a suit and a shave he wouldn't bother working - c*nt!

Cuddlesworth

cance wrote: »

next time i see him ill tell the missus to grab his crutch while we drive by, give him something to really complain about.

We could make a game of it. See how much money he really makes by the amount of times he can afford to buy a new crutch.

cance

krazy_8s wrote: »

We could make a game of it. See how much money he really makes by the amount of times he can afford to buy a new crutch.

or we could just play "how long can he can hold on" VVVVRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM

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Mairt wrote: »

The boy with the gimpy foot at the Darndale Hilton/Clarehall Tesco junction.

I hate that guy.

Mairt wrote: »

That guy turns my stomach, he hobbles up to the lights, takes off his runner and rolls up the leg of his pants to expose his gimpy foot. Sickening.

This is why.

togster wrote: »

Theres a chick near swords who has one leg too. She hops around in the middle of the road.

That's his sister.

Horrible people.

Cocobells

their should be a van that goes around (similar to a bin lorry) and picks this trash up and deports it back to the **** hole its came from. anyone who feels sorry for these people and gives them money are morons, these are the same people who get nearly 200 a week on dole and rent allowance (free house) and medical cards, its an absolute disgrace, they contribute nothing to society or our economy and beg for our hard earned money

cance

DesF wrote: »

That's his sister.

both with one leg wtf? were they playing a three legged race through a mine field?

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cance wrote: »

both with one leg wtf? were they playing a three legged race through a mine field?

I think the legs are deformed rather than actually totally missing, the dude in Clare Hall certainly has a skinny, malformed lower leg and foot, and it looks like the chick at Swords has the same kind of afflicition.

Could be a genetic thing, or something like a thalidomide deformation.

Either way, I wish they didn't stick their feet in my window.

WindSock

Begging and Jay walking are not illegal here.

When the gimpy leg couple dangle their legs over their crutches, I get a good look when they are far away and avert my eyes when they come up closer. they always get the message when they see me, and hop off.
I never feel intimidated in my car, thats why traffic here is so bad.

It's not the gypsies and foreigners that intimidate me. They don't bother me so much, all I have to do is say 'no, sorry' and thats that, it's the feckin inner city junkies I have a problem with. A persistant little madame came up to us last night and i thought she would needle us when we said no.

MilkyMOOO

Its absolutely crazy, there is another few Gimpy leg people around the long mile road.
In your window the minute you come to either of the lights.
Whats the deal?? Is there a some sort of dodgy leg ring going on????
Being smuggled into Ireland to pester us at nearly every light in the country..

TwoShedsJackson

Mairt wrote: »

When I see people like you give them money I feel like ringing your neck.

Agreed. Giving these people money is keeping them on the bloody roundabouts.

Tony Danza

The-Rigger wrote: »

It's an American term but I think a similar law exists here, it's just one of the ones that isn't applied.

I pretty sure you're wrong on that one.

Degsy

I look forward to seeing Heather Mills at tesco clearwater when she loses her divorce battle and needs a few bob.

Ciaran500

I remember seeing a one legged woman standing at the junction at Palmerstown, in between begging she would lean up against the lights, whip out her phone and stand there texting while she waited for the lights to go red.

gonker

Those ones with the funny legs are all the same they were begging in Drogheda for a while then I spotted them in swords then in Darndale!
The other day I was stuck in traffic and a Big Issue seller came up to me and banged on the window and asked me to buy the mag. I said I had no money she spotted one Euro on the dash that I keep for the trolley and asked me to give her that instead:eek:

watna

Mairt wrote: »

When I see people like you give them money I feel like ringing your neck.

Your responsible for these parasites aggressively begging from the people who don't immediately come accross with money.

+1 Million!

People, if you give them money they will keep begging. They do not need the money, they could get jobs if they wanted. If we all stopped giving them moeny they'd go away. They just choose to make it that way. If you're going to give money to people give it to a proper charity.

As I said in another thread, there's a kid that begs outside Pearse Station. Twice, i've seen him having a lunch break at 1 where he whips off his dirty blanket to reveal clean, new looking clothes and prodcues a ham sandwich wrapped in clingfilm from his pocket. It's like he's going to work for the day when he's sent off begging.

mkv83

DesF wrote: »

I think the legs are deformed rather than actually totally missing, the dude in Clare Hall certainly has a skinny, malformed lower leg and foot, and it looks like the chick at Swords has the same kind of afflicition.

Could be a genetic thing, or something like a thalidomide deformation.

Either way, I wish they didn't stick their feet in my window.

i just started roaring laughing in work... brilliant!

prendy

As I said in another thread, there's a kid that begs outside Pearse Station. Twice, i've seen him having a lunch break at 1 where he whips off his dirty blanket to reveal clean, new looking clothes and prodcues a ham sandwich wrapped in clingfilm from his pocket. It's like he's going to work for the day when he's sent off begging.

I remember seeing a one legged woman standing at the junction at Palmerstown, in between begging she would lean up against the lights, whip out her phone and stand there texting while she waited for the lights to go red.

Thats absolutly disgracefull...why was this made legal????
talk about the state of the country wen we allow these people to exploit us like this?

Ginny

Is the girl at the M50/M1 and the one outside the texaco opposite Airside the same girl?

I have been reliably informed the one at the M50/m1 parks an older BMW in the Bewleys hotel carpark puts her false leg in the boot and proceeds up to the roundabout.
I myself have seen her sitting just over the fence of the slip road munching down what looked like a big Mac meal one lunch time.

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GinnyJo wrote: »

Is the girl at the M50/M1 and the one outside the texaco opposite Airside the same girl?

Yep, she does alternate positions alright. I've seen her at the end of the N32 beside Bewleys actually, in Swords at Airside and at the Malahide Roundabout in Swords too.

Dragan

I have noticed the beggars and homeless getting a lot more agressive as of late.

One night in town last week i was at an ATM when a homeless dude walked up to me asking for me. I told him no. He then tapped me on the shoulder and almost shouted at me to give him money. Once again i said no and told him to leave me alone. He said "legally i can say whatever i like." My reply was "cool, same here, now go and **** yourself."

The whole aggressive begging thing bothers the **** out of me, trying to intimidate people into giving them money. No different than a mugging in my book.