irish uniform

segaBOY

kowloon wrote: »

That reminds me, there were quite a few out in current uniform on Halloween night, one big group of reserves aswell.
I would imagine the sh1t would have hit the fan if someone was wearing a gardai uniform

Halloween in Tramco in Rathmines was a joke, so many lads in Irish Army uniforms, I aked a few lads I saw in the uniform-all reserves,most of them claimed they weren't in the Army Reserve anymore, gives other reservists a serious bad name.

I take pride in wearing the uniform especially when I know that other PDF members have died in it while on duty, I regard it as a representation of your country, I respect it because I respect my country...it is not some piece of cloth/halloween fancy dress to be tossed around.

Makes me think about Army Reserve being issued uniforms after such a short time

Made me feel a bit sick tbh.

V Bull

Sagaboy, I couldn't agree more...............

Some more sections with-in the Defence Act 1954 etc..........

Section 245.........Wrongful sale, etc., of equipment by a member of the Reserve Defence Forces
Section 260.........Penalty for purchasing certain military property
Section 264.........Unlawful wearing of uniform
Section 265.........Bringing contempt on uniform
Section 266.........Dyeing and conversion of uniforms
Section 267.........Unauthorised use, etc, of decorations, etc

or good old section 168.......Conduct to the prejudice of good order and disipline...... gets them every time..........

The list is actualy huge..................So seller and buyer be very awear...........You are both very much liable to prosecution as a service person or civilian alike..........:cool:

Rew

segaBOY wrote: »

Makes me think about Army Reserve being issued uniforms after such a short time

Made me feel a bit sick tbh.

Take a walk around building sites etc. the PDF are as bad for it. Takes about 6 months to get a uniform in the RDF.

segaBOY

Rew wrote: »

Take a walk around building sites etc. the PDF are as bad for it. Takes about 6 months to get a uniform in the RDF.

Took me more like a year and I still am waiting to get issued a lot of gear including a smock, it just annoys me that a lot of younger reserve army recruits join, get their uniform then feck off after their first camp.

I agree I have seen a few PDF lads disrespecting their uniform too-not ging to dispute that

source

V Bull wrote: »

Quite right REW, it's against Irish Military Law to wear an Irish Defence Force uniform when not on duty and if a civie is wearing it, then he / she is in possession of stolen property and the Gardai can charge them on theift and or possession of stolen goods under civil law.........open to correction here.........

The only thing you have wrong here, is that it's not civil law it's criminal law, that means that if you get caught you wind up with a criminal record, which has other consequences such as quite a number of countries will refuse you a visa for entry if you have a criminal conviction.

Seriously not worth it for wanting to play make believe in a uniform which wasn't earned.

HT2007

cp251 wrote: »

I remember the farce of it in the 80's in the FCA when no combats were ever issued. So everyone wore a combination of American, German, British even Italian often complete with insignia. One FCA Lieutenant wore an M65 field jacket with full 'Big Red One' insignia and US ARMY on the front. Another Cavalry officer wore full British DPM. This was all perfectly acceptable even at the border. The result was the everyone looked a group of mercenaries.

But woe betide anyone wearing a piece of Irish army kit. Anyone wearing Irish army combats could find themselves facing a charge of theft, unless they ratted on the PDF member who gave or sold it to them. Oddly enough though many a soldier had nasty ink stains on certain parts of the jackets. Sometimes if you looked closely you could see a faint FF stamp underneath.:rolleyes:

Only in the Irish army could you be put on a charge for wearing Irish army uniform

Bad as it was then the rules are ridiculously outdated now. If I walk around all day dressed as a Hungarian Hussar, then that's my choice. If I want to wear an Irish pattern DPM jacket, since when is that a crime?

Obviously the reasons for the rules were to stop the IRA getting uniforms and using them for evil purposes. Oddly enough, the British never worried about stuff like that and you would have thought they were most vulnerable to it.

Stupid stuff.

Good one ... I remember those years ... Walking around in american combat jackets, and german paratrooper boots ...

Too think of it ... Thought I looked cool then ... LOL

I have all my auld kit in the attic ... And the cherished combats which we finally got issued! But only got the one set ...!!

I left the FCA & came back to the RDF with a full new issue of DPM kit, If only they gave us the respect & training & current issue gear! What would the RDF of today be like???

Its all a bit too late for us auld soldiers ... With the DPM's of today no one really knows if your PDF or RDF! Especially if your wear a red beret ... LOL

arybvtcw0eolkf

HT2007 wrote: »

Its all a bit too late for us auld soldiers ... With the DPM's of today no one really knows if your PDF or RDF! Especially if your wear a red beret ... LOL

Oh we know alright!..

In the PDF we're trained to sniff a bagger at a thousend paces

Rew

Its easy to tell who's PDF or RDF. If the uniform and boots are in a jock, shirt is faded and hands are in pockets there definitly PDF!

tombman101

I am not in the army and I can dress like this;
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/clondaleek/?action=view&current=CarrickonFergus003.jpg
anytime I want. I am legally entitled to drive the vehicle as well. I am involved with the living history group.
Regards.
Tom

bunny shooter

tombman101 wrote: »

I am not in the army and I can dress like this;
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/clondaleek/?action=view&current=CarrickonFergus003.jpg
anytime I want. I am legally entitled to drive the vehicle as well. I am involved with the living history group.
Regards.
Tom

If I were you and your comrade I'd learn to wear the uniform properly;)

source

tombman101 wrote: »

I am not in the army and I can dress like this;
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/clondaleek/?action=view&current=CarrickonFergus003.jpg
anytime I want. I am legally entitled to drive the vehicle as well. I am involved with the living history group.
Regards.
Tom

The reason is that you are wearing britpat, which the MOD sells off in it's thousands through surplus, ie they don't mind you wearing it once you pay the amount asked for, the irish DOD do not sell items of uniform as surplus,therefore the only way of obtaining one is theft, either from a soldier or by joining and not handing back your kit when you leave.

arybvtcw0eolkf

tombman101 wrote: »

I am not in the army and I can dress like this;
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/clondaleek/?action=view&current=CarrickonFergus003.jpg
anytime I want. I am legally entitled to drive the vehicle as well. I am involved with the living history group.
Regards.
Tom

Is that Borat on the left?.

captaindanwaldo

I remember seeing a lad in his DPM Smock at <snip> Don't mention this event again. Thanks. Hagar. , shameful!!!

But honestly if you have the gear,you know how to wear it, you dont look a mess and it was issued to you I dont see the harm in wearing it for airsoft.
Id feel alot more comfortable wearing Irish Army DPM and taking pride in my countries defence force, rather than wear the US or British BDU's.

minidazzler

Edit out the word of that event it is not supposed to be said here.

Anyways I worked at a Particular Music event and I saw a load of drunken eejits go in in The Smocks and everything else. I wanted to refuse them entry but I wasnt allowed.

I have no problem people wearing it just shooting or whatever but on the Piss they can feck off.

segaBOY

minidazzler wrote: »

Edit out the word of that event it is not supposed to be said here.

Anyways I worked at a Particular Music event and I saw a load of drunken eejits go in in The Smocks and everything else. I wanted to refuse them entry but I wasnt allowed.

I have no problem people wearing it just shooting or whatever but on the Piss they can feck off.

QFT

minidazzler

May I ask what QFT is??

Hagar

Quoted for truth.

Skyhawk1990

What's the law regarding irish dpm on stuff that you were not issued eg. bush hats or dpm rucksacks? are you allowed wear/use them when you want as they weren't issued?

bunny shooter

The Irish Army DPM pattern is copyrighted by the Irish Government/army. therefore, it is at the least a breach of copyright.

It is illegal to wear it unless you are supposed to wear it

Lockstep

segaBOY wrote: »

it just annoys me that a lot of younger reserve army recruits join, get their uniform then feck off after their first camp.

I agree with that.

A mini-mosher girl I vaguely know heard I was in the RDF and asked me about joining as she "wanted a pair of boots like [mine] to scare emos and D4 girls".

Needless to say, she told me of her plans to feck off after recieving the uniform etc.

concussion

bunny shooter wrote: »

The Irish Army DPM pattern is copyrighted by the Irish Government/army. therefore, it is at the least a breach of copyright.

It is illegal to wear it unless you are supposed to wear it

Protac in the Curragh sells kit in and is indistinguisable from Irish DPM. He sells this stuff quite legally so I have no problem using it (daysack) if I need it. I also bought a surplus Irish issue bush-hat (these are no longer allowed to be sold) and I don't know what the story with wearing it seeing as I bought it surplus.

Skyhawk1990

Seeing as the irish dpm bush hats and bags are/were being sold as surplus. It should therefore be legal to wear/use them. As far as i know it's only illegal to wear issued stuff.

bunny shooter

The Irish army does not sell surplus as other armies do.

I draw your attention to

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/en/act/pub/0018/sec0264.html#zza18y1954s264

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/en/act/pub/0018/sec0265.html#zza18y1954s265

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/en/act/pub/0018/sec0260.html#zza18y1954s260

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1954/en/act/pub/0018/sec0245.html#zza18y1954s245

And there is more ...........................

There has been a conviction for wearing Irish Army DPM recently.

Be warned, ignorance of the law is not a defence in law.

minidazzler

Defence Act 1954 wrote:

(3) In this section the word "uniform" includes any distinctive part of a uniform.

So that make the Boots, Socks and Tshirts OK to wear. (even though wearing the Boots is slightly OTT.

Defence Act 1954 wrote:

(i) he shall be guilty of an offence under this section and shall be liable on summary conviction thereof to a fine not exceeding five pounds,

This needs a little updating methinks!!!

bunny shooter

minidazzler wrote: »

So that make the Boots, Socks and Tshirts OK to wear. (even though wearing the Boots is slightly OTT.

This needs a little updating methinks!!!

It has been updated, I'll get updated amounts, however don't forget the criminal conviction and possible jail sentence too :eek:

As for wearing boots etc. depends if the Judge considers then distinctive when you're in front of him/her

minidazzler

Ya thats what I was on about. The boots are Distinctively Military. Haix (What I am pretty much referring to) Look like a work boot and would be Practical to use as a Work Boot.

Also these are all available on the Open Market (Legally) so they are Distinctively Irish Military equiptment. They are simply used by the Irish Military.

Also with the Socks who is to say they are from the DF. The burden of Proof would be on the DF to say they came from their stores.

The T-shirts well that can be proved because they are only made by one Company.

I realise this is all Nit-picking and noone would be brought to court because of it but it just needed stating I think!!!

bunny shooter

What defines "legally". Just 'cause something is on sale doesn't mean it's legal to sell it, buy it or have it.

minidazzler

The Haix safety Boots are Legally sold in other places. Not "Legallyish" but actually legally where the wearing or selling of them does not constitute a crime.

kowloon

Boots is a stupid rule, it should be like in other countries, impersonating a member of the Defence Forces should be the crime. I use an old OG jacket for hunting.

bunny shooter

"I'm not in the habit of repeating myself ............."

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