irish uniform

Gatling

ok lads probably wrong thread for this ,but can anybody here verifiy the situation regarding the old OD PDF/FCA uniform for civilian use or ownership been told by a PDF C/o that its ok for civilian use as it is no longer used or issued to the defence forces , im an avid Airsofter and i was hoping someone could clarify this for me,or, would i be better directly asking army hq.

thanks for any help :)

G

bunny shooter

Gatling wrote: »

ok lads probably wrong thread for this ,but can anybody here verifiy the situation regarding the old OD PDF/FCA uniform for civilian use or ownership been told by a PDF C/o that its ok for civilian use as it is no longer used or issued to the defence forces , im an avid Airsofter and i was hoping someone could clarify this for me,or, would i be better directly asking army hq.

thanks for any help :)

G

Sounds like good advice, no longer issued, I wore mine while out shooting rabbits etc, once we were issued with DPM

Mick86

Gatling wrote: »

ok lads probably wrong thread for this ,but can anybody here verifiy the situation regarding the old OD PDF/FCA uniform for civilian use or ownership been told by a PDF C/o that its ok for civilian use as it is no longer used or issued to the defence forces , im an avid Airsofter and i was hoping someone could clarify this for me,or, would i be better directly asking army hq.

thanks for any help :)

G

It's no longer a DF uniform. All items of it should have been returned to stores for shredding but that never happens entirely.:D

There is one minor problem and that is the fact that it is illegal to wear paramilitary dress. Though I can't ever see even the most concientious Garda implementing that one.

Gatling

from what ive heard its not a garda issue ,but there is a paintballer in court soon for wearing DPM at a paintball shoot, ive emailed pdf hq to see what they say,look foreward to postin more on this forum ,
thanks for your help lads
G:)

Irish_Army01

Gatling wrote: »

from what ive heard its not a garda issue ,but there is a paintballer in court soon for wearing DPM at a paintball shoot, ive emailed pdf hq to see what they say,look foreward to postin more on this forum ,
thanks for your help lads
G:)

you are permitted to wear the old OG stuff as its no longer a military uniform.

Flying

Unless it is current issue your fine, although OD gear is hard to come back, still have an old combat jacket from the 80's somewhere

Steyr

Gatling wrote: »

from what ive heard its not a garda issue ,but there is a paintballer in court soon for wearing DPM at a paintball shoot, ive emailed pdf hq to see what they say,look foreward to postin more on this forum ,
thanks for your help lads
G:)

About bloody time!

bunny shooter

Steyr wrote: »

About bloody time!

charged with what ?

kowloon

That reminds me, there were quite a few out in current uniform on Halloween night, one big group of reserves aswell.
I would imagine the sh1t would have hit the fan if someone was wearing a gardai uniform

Gatling

bunny shooter wrote: »

charged with what ?

i beleive the person was charged with reciving stolen goods,the main reason i asked was i play airsoft with replica weapons and full military loadout ,camo ,assaultvests and so on,
,i dont beleave in wearing our dpm as im not a member of the defence forces,
the lads out on holloween weather pdf/rdf should be written up on charges,it disrepects the honor of those who served ther country,present and past

bunny shooter

Being charged with recieving stolen goods ? That's amazing ! I know it's an offence under military law for a serving soldier (regular or reserve) to sell, wear or dispose/sell their uniform without permission.

Be interesting if this gets a conviction. I know civvies with more Irsih Army DPM than me. Buying it in Dublin apparently

Steyr

bunny shooter wrote: »

Be interesting if this gets a conviction. I know civvies with more Irsih Army DPM than me. Buying it in Dublin apparently

Perhaps you should name and shame with an anon phone call to the Policia Local!:)

cp251

I remember the farce of it in the 80's in the FCA when no combats were ever issued. So everyone wore a combination of American, German, British even Italian often complete with insignia. One FCA Lieutenant wore an M65 field jacket with full 'Big Red One' insignia and US ARMY on the front. Another Cavalry officer wore full British DPM. This was all perfectly acceptable even at the border. The result was the everyone looked a group of mercenaries.

But woe betide anyone wearing a piece of Irish army kit. Anyone wearing Irish army combats could find themselves facing a charge of theft, unless they ratted on the PDF member who gave or sold it to them. Oddly enough though many a soldier had nasty ink stains on certain parts of the jackets. Sometimes if you looked closely you could see a faint FF stamp underneath.:rolleyes:

Only in the Irish army could you be put on a charge for wearing Irish army uniform

Bad as it was then the rules are ridiculously outdated now. If I walk around all day dressed as a Hungarian Hussar, then that's my choice. If I want to wear an Irish pattern DPM jacket, since when is that a crime?

Obviously the reasons for the rules were to stop the IRA getting uniforms and using them for evil purposes. Oddly enough, the British never worried about stuff like that and you would have thought they were most vulnerable to it.

Stupid stuff.

source

cp251 wrote: »

I remember the farce of it in the 80's in the FCA when no combats were ever issued. So everyone wore a combination of American, German, British even Italian often complete with insignia. One FCA Lieutenant wore an M65 field jacket with full 'Big Red One' insignia and US ARMY on the front. Another Cavalry officer wore full British DPM. This was all perfectly acceptable even at the border. The result was the everyone looked a group of mercenaries.

But woe betide anyone wearing a piece of Irish army kit. Anyone wearing Irish army combats could find themselves facing a charge of theft, unless they ratted on the PDF member who gave or sold it to them. Oddly enough though many a soldier had nasty ink stains on certain parts of the jackets. Sometimes if you looked closely you could see a faint FF stamp underneath.:rolleyes:

Only in the Irish army could you be put on a charge for wearing Irish army uniform

Bad as it was then the rules are ridiculously outdated now. If I walk around all day dressed as a Hungarian Hussar, then that's my choice. If I want to wear an Irish pattern DPM jacket, since when is that a crime?

Obviously the reasons for the rules were to stop the IRA getting uniforms and using them for evil purposes. Oddly enough, the British never worried about stuff like that and you would have thought they were most vulnerable to it.

Stupid stuff.

It's to do with numbers.the british have huge stockpiles of uniforms as their forces are much bigger than ours, so they have a very large amount of surplus, that's why it's available, our DF is only a fraction of the size of the UK's hence much smaller amounts of kit available, meaning pretty much no surplus.

It is illegal for anybody to wear a state uniform when not on duty, or if they're not a member of the DF / GS / FB / PS and they decide to don the uniform they are guilty of an offence. It amounts to impersonating an officer of the state.

cp251

Wearing a current issue uniform with badges, beret and all the bells and whistles and strolling into a barracks is one thing, wearing an item of uniform clothing is quite another. They are after all, just clothes. I simply don't see how a civvie could be charged for wearing some current issue uniform clothing. This is Ireland after all with our traditional lax attitude to laws.

It was a royal farce to have a situation where you could be on duty dressed as an American soldier without comment but not as an Irish soldier. Fortunately the reserve nowdays are issued DPM.

By those rules I have been guilty of impersonating a Garda officer several times now. (Film extra):D

Flying

cp251 wrote: »

I remember the farce of it in the 80's in the FCA when no combats were ever issued. So everyone wore a combination of American, German, British even Italian often complete with insignia. One FCA Lieutenant wore an M65 field jacket with full 'Big Red One' insignia and US ARMY on the front. Another Cavalry officer wore full British DPM. This was all perfectly acceptable even at the border. The result was the everyone looked a group of mercenaries.

But woe betide anyone wearing a piece of Irish army kit. Anyone wearing Irish army combats could find themselves facing a charge of theft, unless they ratted on the PDF member who gave or sold it to them. Oddly enough though many a soldier had nasty ink stains on certain parts of the jackets. Sometimes if you looked closely you could see a faint FF stamp underneath.:rolleyes:

Only in the Irish army could you be put on a charge for wearing Irish army uniform

Bad as it was then the rules are ridiculously outdated now. If I walk around all day dressed as a Hungarian Hussar, then that's my choice. If I want to wear an Irish pattern DPM jacket, since when is that a crime?

Obviously the reasons for the rules were to stop the IRA getting uniforms and using them for evil purposes. Oddly enough, the British never worried about stuff like that and you would have thought they were most vulnerable to it.

Stupid stuff.

Its the law weither you like it or not, simple as that..

source

cp251 wrote: »

Wearing a current issue uniform with badges, beret and all the bells and whistles and strolling into a barracks is one thing, wearing an item of uniform clothing is quite another. They are after all, just clothes. I simply don't see how a civvie could be charged for wearing some current issue uniform clothing. This is Ireland after all with our traditional lax attitude to laws.

It was a royal farce to have a situation where you could be on duty dressed as an American soldier without comment but not as an Irish soldier. Fortunately the reserve nowdays are issued DPM.

By those rules I have been guilty of impersonating a Garda officer several times now. (Film extra):D

Being in a film, the producer of the film or tv show or whatever would have to seek permission from the GS to portray a member of the service on screen, it's only when this permission is gotten that the company is provided with items of uniform in the interest of accuracy. So no you haven't been guilty of that offence, if you sauntered off the set in an item of the uniform then you are guilty of the offence, even more so if you wore the entire uniform.

source

cp251 wrote: »

Wearing a current issue uniform with badges, beret and all the bells and whistles and strolling into a barracks is one thing, wearing an item of uniform clothing is quite another. They are after all, just clothes. I simply don't see how a civvie could be charged for wearing some current issue uniform clothing. This is Ireland after all with our traditional lax attitude to laws.

It was a royal farce to have a situation where you could be on duty dressed as an American soldier without comment but not as an Irish soldier. Fortunately the reserve nowdays are issued DPM.

By those rules I have been guilty of impersonating a Garda officer several times now. (Film extra):D

oh and in relation to my point on surplus, a civilian in this country does not have any way to get an item of irish army uniform, unless he signs up, if he does this and then leaves with the uniform he is guilty of theft, as you must return all items of uniform issued when leaving. also if you have appropriated an item of state uniform off a member of the defence forces you would be guilty of recieving stolen property as uniform issued by the state remain the property of the state, and the member who gave/sold you the kit is guilty of theft.

SpitfireIV

foinse wrote: »

as you must return all items of uniform issued when leaving.

I still have all my issue in the wardrobe, current DPM, was in the rdf three years so I guess I earned it. Took them long enough for them to issue it to me, and took them even longer to issuing me with a second pair of trousers! Let alone another t-shirt. I'm not gonna go parading about the street in it, but I'm holding onto it anyway.

cp251

Flying wrote: »

Its the law weither you like it or not, simple as that..

The law is billox, designed to combat a non existent threat and frankly rarely enforced.

Gatling

the laws were some republican based thought.id love yo know where this shop is in the city centre selling our dpm ,cause id turn up with a couple of MPs and a few lads that feel strongly bout disrespecting those who have earned the right to wear the uniform,the lads and girls who actuls sign up to the defence forces to serve the country dont want to see some spotty teenager prading around in a uniforn like its a shell tracksuit,if you didnt serve in the pdf/rdf you have no right to dishonour the uniform ,as for being a stupid law ,90 different laws are stupid dosent mean we should incourage ppl to break them for the sake of fashion

Flying

cp251 wrote: »

The law is billox, designed to combat a non existent threat and frankly rarely enforced.

I would'nt expect anything less from a civilian such as yourself, if you break the law suffer the consequences.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Flying wrote: »

I would'nt expect anything less from a civilian such as yourself, if you break the law suffer the consequences.

And military personnel don't break the law?.

I've given DPM's to my brother for shooting. I wear mine out shooting all the time and I'm not offended when I see someone wearing current issue Irish army DPM's.

Also in 22yrs PDF service and five year's FCA before that I've never heard of a civilian being charged with wearing an army uniform or being in possession of one.

cp251

Flying wrote: »

I would'nt expect anything less from a civilian such as yourself, if you break the law suffer the consequences.

Wow what a put down, a civilian:eek: Save that stuff for the barracks bar. One day, you too will be a civilian.

I suppose I should really go and hand myself in. I've been 'disrespecting' the uniform for years by wearing my old combats in non military situations.:D Does wearing of boots count? I'll have to stop wearing them too.

Flying

Mairt wrote: »

And military personnel don't break the law?.

I've given DPM's to my brother for shooting. I wear mine out shooting all the time and I'm not offended when I see someone wearing current issue Irish army DPM's.

Also in 22yrs PDF service and five year's FCA before that I've never heard of a civilian being charged with wearing an army uniform or being in possession of one.

Have you being in Dundalk recently maybe not Galway, but there was a lot of people charged in Dundalk about 15 years ago with such an offence.

Also having a father who has been in the Army for 40 Years (retiring this year) and is a BQMS, you hear a lot of stories in regards kit going missing and the crack down in the Eastern Brigade on this, as a few shops in Newry and Dublin have been found selling the stuff.

When I go hunting I myself rather the older OD's from pre-99

Flying

cp251 wrote: »

Wow what a put down, a civilian:eek: Save that stuff for the barracks bar. One day, you too will be a civilian.

I suppose I should really go and hand myself in. I've been 'disrespecting' the uniform for years by wearing my old combats in non military situations.:D Does wearing of boots count? I'll have to stop wearing them too.

I best not entertain you with another proper response as you are indeed a person lacking in knowledge of this particular subject.

cp251

You know friend, patronising put downs are not best way of winning an argument.

I am not ignorant of the subject, indeed I have experience of what happens to serving soldiers who sell their kit. I have no problem in saying that is wrong. That isn't what I was referring to as you can see if you re-read my original post.

bunny shooter

My daddy out ranks yours ? That explains it !

I reckon a ban could be in order...........pattern evolving here

Rew

kowloon wrote: »

I would imagine the sh1t would have hit the fan if someone was wearing a gardai uniform

That happened quite a bit this year, all the phase II/II students have gotten their stab vests and there were plenty to be seen out and about as well as other unifom bits.

In saying that a few phase I students wore their gear home one Friday, stopped for petrol were seen and that was the end of their Garda training.

The uniform issue is a thorny one. Some PDF/RDF lads see it as theirs and they will do whatever the **** they want with it. Its against mil law and civvie law to wear it if you not on duty/entitled to. On the books it all has to go back if you leave the Army but in practice poeple keep alot of it as souvenirs of service.

The paintballer was RDF, not sure whats happend to him but it caused a **** storm to say the least. The GOC E-BDE has a bee in his bonnet about the issue as well, so god help anyone he catches.

There are 2 guys who turn up to HRTA to play airsoft in Irish gear. One never saw a day in the army and got it off a PDF friend, or so I hear. The other did is contract with the PDF and got out. He said he dosn't give a ****. Iv seen other phots of guys who obviosuly got it out side of the DF (there's a pic on the gear thread of the airsodt forum, guy looks like a bag of ham).

I know another guy who likes to collect uniforms and goes in his Irish one all dolled up to his local gun club on a Sunday to shoot. Again he looks like a bag of ham because he actually dosn't know how to wear it properly. The cheap hiking boots really set it off I have to say.

OD gear was issued by the DF and was supposed to be retured to be destroyed. Its still their property and the offical policy is that it should have beed destroyed and is not for general civvie use. In saying that you can buy identical stuff surplus so who's going to be able to prove anything either way.

I don't agree with putting on a full uniform with flashes etc. If you didn't earn it, be it even just by being in the RDF/PDF/Another Army I don't think you should wear it. If you did earn it what would you want to go wondering around in your work gear? Theres **** loads better suited clothes for hunting and all the other outdoor things people like to use it for. I saw pics of a guy wearing an Irish DPM smock to a Man U game recently...

I know people with 1-40+ years in the Army who are heavily offended by the missuse of the uniform, views do vary quite a bit dpending on the indvidule.

I think its sad that alot of people don't take any pride in the uniform of our Defence Forces. They see it as cloth and not a symbol of the orginsation. The IRA liked to put out propaganda shots of lads wearing it, so at least they put some significance in it. I know of breaks in's wear the burglers found DPM's and pissed and **** all over them, so they place some significance in them as well.


The law allows for the use of Garda and Army uniforms in theatrical presentations BTW.

V Bull

Just a bye-the-way, the Midlands are invoking their rules concerning the wearing of military dress / uniforms etc. Anyone wearing any kind of military dress etc are being asked to take it off / change, or if no change availible on the day, not to wear it down next time. Proper order, after all, it's a target shooting club and not a training camp for John Rambo's.

Quite right REW, it's against Irish Military Law to wear an Irish Defence Force uniform when not on duty and if a civie is wearing it, then he / she is in possession of stolen property and the Gardai can charge them on theift and or possession of stolen goods under civil law.........open to correction here.........

Military Law, Defence Force Act 1954 bla bla, Section 157, Every person subject to military law -- (a) who wilfully destroys or damages, loses by neglect, improperly sells or wastefully expends any property being --(ii) service property -- is guilty of an offence against military law and shall, on conviction by court-martial, etc etc etc.......

There are many sections with-in military law that can be thrown at you....

So, John and Mary Rambo's out there, beware.....................

Rew

There is a section in Civial law as well as far as I know, but Im no leagl eagle so I cann't remember the relevnet piece.

segaBOY

kowloon wrote: »

That reminds me, there were quite a few out in current uniform on Halloween night, one big group of reserves aswell.
I would imagine the sh1t would have hit the fan if someone was wearing a gardai uniform

Halloween in Tramco in Rathmines was a joke, so many lads in Irish Army uniforms, I aked a few lads I saw in the uniform-all reserves,most of them claimed they weren't in the Army Reserve anymore, gives other reservists a serious bad name.

I take pride in wearing the uniform especially when I know that other PDF members have died in it while on duty, I regard it as a representation of your country, I respect it because I respect my country...it is not some piece of cloth/halloween fancy dress to be tossed around.

Makes me think about Army Reserve being issued uniforms after such a short time

Made me feel a bit sick tbh.

V Bull

Sagaboy, I couldn't agree more...............

Some more sections with-in the Defence Act 1954 etc..........

Section 245.........Wrongful sale, etc., of equipment by a member of the Reserve Defence Forces
Section 260.........Penalty for purchasing certain military property
Section 264.........Unlawful wearing of uniform
Section 265.........Bringing contempt on uniform
Section 266.........Dyeing and conversion of uniforms
Section 267.........Unauthorised use, etc, of decorations, etc

or good old section 168.......Conduct to the prejudice of good order and disipline...... gets them every time..........

The list is actualy huge..................So seller and buyer be very awear...........You are both very much liable to prosecution as a service person or civilian alike..........:cool:

Rew

segaBOY wrote: »

Makes me think about Army Reserve being issued uniforms after such a short time

Made me feel a bit sick tbh.

Take a walk around building sites etc. the PDF are as bad for it. Takes about 6 months to get a uniform in the RDF.

segaBOY

Rew wrote: »

Take a walk around building sites etc. the PDF are as bad for it. Takes about 6 months to get a uniform in the RDF.

Took me more like a year and I still am waiting to get issued a lot of gear including a smock, it just annoys me that a lot of younger reserve army recruits join, get their uniform then feck off after their first camp.

I agree I have seen a few PDF lads disrespecting their uniform too-not ging to dispute that

source

V Bull wrote: »

Quite right REW, it's against Irish Military Law to wear an Irish Defence Force uniform when not on duty and if a civie is wearing it, then he / she is in possession of stolen property and the Gardai can charge them on theift and or possession of stolen goods under civil law.........open to correction here.........

The only thing you have wrong here, is that it's not civil law it's criminal law, that means that if you get caught you wind up with a criminal record, which has other consequences such as quite a number of countries will refuse you a visa for entry if you have a criminal conviction.

Seriously not worth it for wanting to play make believe in a uniform which wasn't earned.

HT2007

cp251 wrote: »

I remember the farce of it in the 80's in the FCA when no combats were ever issued. So everyone wore a combination of American, German, British even Italian often complete with insignia. One FCA Lieutenant wore an M65 field jacket with full 'Big Red One' insignia and US ARMY on the front. Another Cavalry officer wore full British DPM. This was all perfectly acceptable even at the border. The result was the everyone looked a group of mercenaries.

But woe betide anyone wearing a piece of Irish army kit. Anyone wearing Irish army combats could find themselves facing a charge of theft, unless they ratted on the PDF member who gave or sold it to them. Oddly enough though many a soldier had nasty ink stains on certain parts of the jackets. Sometimes if you looked closely you could see a faint FF stamp underneath.:rolleyes:

Only in the Irish army could you be put on a charge for wearing Irish army uniform

Bad as it was then the rules are ridiculously outdated now. If I walk around all day dressed as a Hungarian Hussar, then that's my choice. If I want to wear an Irish pattern DPM jacket, since when is that a crime?

Obviously the reasons for the rules were to stop the IRA getting uniforms and using them for evil purposes. Oddly enough, the British never worried about stuff like that and you would have thought they were most vulnerable to it.

Stupid stuff.

Good one ... I remember those years ... Walking around in american combat jackets, and german paratrooper boots ...

Too think of it ... Thought I looked cool then ... LOL

I have all my auld kit in the attic ... And the cherished combats which we finally got issued! But only got the one set ...!!

I left the FCA & came back to the RDF with a full new issue of DPM kit, If only they gave us the respect & training & current issue gear! What would the RDF of today be like???

Its all a bit too late for us auld soldiers ... With the DPM's of today no one really knows if your PDF or RDF! Especially if your wear a red beret ... LOL

arybvtcw0eolkf

HT2007 wrote: »

Its all a bit too late for us auld soldiers ... With the DPM's of today no one really knows if your PDF or RDF! Especially if your wear a red beret ... LOL

Oh we know alright!..

In the PDF we're trained to sniff a bagger at a thousend paces

Rew

Its easy to tell who's PDF or RDF. If the uniform and boots are in a jock, shirt is faded and hands are in pockets there definitly PDF!

tombman101

I am not in the army and I can dress like this;
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/clondaleek/?action=view&current=CarrickonFergus003.jpg
anytime I want. I am legally entitled to drive the vehicle as well. I am involved with the living history group.
Regards.
Tom

bunny shooter

tombman101 wrote: »

I am not in the army and I can dress like this;
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/clondaleek/?action=view&current=CarrickonFergus003.jpg
anytime I want. I am legally entitled to drive the vehicle as well. I am involved with the living history group.
Regards.
Tom

If I were you and your comrade I'd learn to wear the uniform properly;)

source

tombman101 wrote: »

I am not in the army and I can dress like this;
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/clondaleek/?action=view&current=CarrickonFergus003.jpg
anytime I want. I am legally entitled to drive the vehicle as well. I am involved with the living history group.
Regards.
Tom

The reason is that you are wearing britpat, which the MOD sells off in it's thousands through surplus, ie they don't mind you wearing it once you pay the amount asked for, the irish DOD do not sell items of uniform as surplus,therefore the only way of obtaining one is theft, either from a soldier or by joining and not handing back your kit when you leave.

arybvtcw0eolkf

tombman101 wrote: »

I am not in the army and I can dress like this;
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/clondaleek/?action=view&current=CarrickonFergus003.jpg
anytime I want. I am legally entitled to drive the vehicle as well. I am involved with the living history group.
Regards.
Tom

Is that Borat on the left?.

captaindanwaldo

I remember seeing a lad in his DPM Smock at <snip> Don't mention this event again. Thanks. Hagar. , shameful!!!

But honestly if you have the gear,you know how to wear it, you dont look a mess and it was issued to you I dont see the harm in wearing it for airsoft.
Id feel alot more comfortable wearing Irish Army DPM and taking pride in my countries defence force, rather than wear the US or British BDU's.

minidazzler

Edit out the word of that event it is not supposed to be said here.

Anyways I worked at a Particular Music event and I saw a load of drunken eejits go in in The Smocks and everything else. I wanted to refuse them entry but I wasnt allowed.

I have no problem people wearing it just shooting or whatever but on the Piss they can feck off.

segaBOY

minidazzler wrote: »

Edit out the word of that event it is not supposed to be said here.

Anyways I worked at a Particular Music event and I saw a load of drunken eejits go in in The Smocks and everything else. I wanted to refuse them entry but I wasnt allowed.

I have no problem people wearing it just shooting or whatever but on the Piss they can feck off.

QFT

minidazzler

May I ask what QFT is??

Hagar

Quoted for truth.

Skyhawk1990

What's the law regarding irish dpm on stuff that you were not issued eg. bush hats or dpm rucksacks? are you allowed wear/use them when you want as they weren't issued?

bunny shooter

The Irish Army DPM pattern is copyrighted by the Irish Government/army. therefore, it is at the least a breach of copyright.

It is illegal to wear it unless you are supposed to wear it

Lockstep

segaBOY wrote: »

it just annoys me that a lot of younger reserve army recruits join, get their uniform then feck off after their first camp.

I agree with that.

A mini-mosher girl I vaguely know heard I was in the RDF and asked me about joining as she "wanted a pair of boots like [mine] to scare emos and D4 girls".

Needless to say, she told me of her plans to feck off after recieving the uniform etc.