Which is bigger, -5 or -6?

astrofool · 07-11-2007 2:43pm

They should have used Kelvin, or even Farenheit

The example used was -6 and -8 and the caller said that -6 was lower than -8 when it's not. Where people are arguing about more cold, well, thank god that scratchcard wasn't released over here, or after hours would have imploded.

07-11-2007 2:44pm

astrofool wrote: »

or after hours would have imploded.

Is an implosion bigger than an explosion?

Unpossible · 07-11-2007 3:05pm

Looking back at it again, she even contradicts herself:

"On one of my cards it said I had to find temperatures lower than -8. The numbers I uncovered were -6 and -7 so I thought I had won, and so did the woman in the shop. But when she scanned the card the machine said I hadn't.

"I phoned Camelot and they fobbed me off with some story that -6 is higher - not lower - than -8 but I'm not having it.

"I think Camelot are giving people the wrong impression - the card doesn't say to look for a colder or warmer temperature, it says to look for a higher or lower number. Six is a lower number than 8. Imagine how many people have been misled."

I wonder how often she makes arguments like that.

Tina: "You told me it cost £5, I tried to buy it for £4, nobody told me it costs £5"

Pherekydes · 07-11-2007 3:49pm

Unpossible wrote: »

I wonder how often she makes arguments like that.

Tina: "You told me it cost £5, I tried to buy it for £4, nobody told me it costs £5"

You can't have an argument with someone as stupid as that.

Unpossible · 07-11-2007 3:57pm

Slow coach wrote:

You can't have an argument with someone as stupid as that.

because she is "having none of it"?

jor el · 07-11-2007 6:31pm

lisbon_lions wrote: »

In temperature terms, the limit of coldness is 0 degrees Kelvin or absolute zero.

There is no degree Kelvin, it's just Kelvin as Kelvin is not a scale, it's a unit of measurement.

Anyway, looking at the full article, Tina's comments were

idiot woman wrote:

The 23-year-old, who said she had left school without a maths GCSE, said: "On one of my cards it said I had to find temperatures lower than -8. The numbers I uncovered were -6 and -7 so I thought I had won, and so did the woman in the shop. But when she scanned the card the machine said I hadn't.

"I phoned Camelot and they fobbed me off with some story that -6 is higher - not lower - than -8 but I'm not having it.

Is leaving school without a maths GCSE the same as failing maths in the leaving cert here or what? Who stupid does this make her?

idiot woman again wrote:

"I think Camelot are giving people the wrong impression - the card doesn't say to look for a colder or warmer temperature, it says to look for a higher or lower number. Six is a lower number than 8. Imagine how many people have been misled."

So if she has enough of an education to understand basic numbers, 6 is lower than 8, she's obviously not a retard or completely uneducated. She's just a thick fool.

Deleted User wrote:

Is an implosion bigger than an explosion?

An implosion of value -6 is the same as an explosion of value +6. But an explosion of value -6 would result in the collapse of the universe, so try not to do that.

Cheeky_gal wrote:

How is that retarded dude...think about it...minus 6 equals more cold! More cold for everyone...equals bigger quantity of cold temperature all-round...equals bigger number. It's pretty straight forward in all fairness...

I'm with you Cheeky, don't let them confuse you with their "science" and "facts". Next thing they'll be telling us that Dark Suckers don't exist :rolleyes:

Toto Wolfcastle · 07-11-2007 6:49pm

jor el wrote: »

Is leaving school without a maths GCSE the same as failing maths in the leaving cert here or what? Who stupid does this make her?

GCSE would be Junior Cert level, so it would be like her failing, or not doing, Junior Cert maths.....ordinary level Junior Cert maths. (Or so I'm told!!)

I like that people like this exist, it makes me happy.

pretty-in-pink · 07-11-2007 6:56pm

jor el wrote: »

Is leaving school without a maths GCSE the same as failing maths in the leaving cert here or what? Who stupid does this make her?

Tell me that was deliberate, please tell me it was.

mawk · 07-11-2007 6:59pm

well as we all know the coefficients of cubical expansion due to heat are totally related to heat. -5 has more energy than -6. and when stuff is heated it expands. so for the same body -5 IS bigger than -6.

but it will weigh the same.

wait.. this IS the physics forum right?

oooooohh.. AH...

HER MA!! or something

EDIT- knew i forgot something. but pretty in pink got it

Cheeky_gal · 07-11-2007 7:08pm

Rite...

Blowfish wrote: »

You do realise there is no such thing as cold, right? [edit]beaten to it.

No such thing as cold?? ARE YOU STUPID DUDE!? I'm cold right now due to the cold! :rolleyes:

leninbenjamin wrote: »

i was gonna try and break from the whole explanation through cold thing and try to explain to Cheeky_gal negative numbers in terms of personal debt and it's total effect on net worth...

but then i thought better of it.

*turns and pats cheeky_gal on head while inwardly despairing for humanity.

In english please??

Slow coach wrote: »

Have you tried the experiment with the ice cube and the bucket of cold water?

Haven't really found the time tbh! lol!

zuutroy wrote: »

'contains more cold'....lol...just lol

What's so "lol" about it? It does contain more cold...:rolleyes:

jor el wrote: »

I'm with you Cheeky, don't let them confuse you with their "science" and "facts". Next thing they'll be telling us that Dark Suckers don't exist :rolleyes:

I love you!

Seriously, it baffles me as to how stupid some people can actually be! Did none of you get an education??

jor el · 07-11-2007 7:27pm

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

Tell me that was deliberate, please tell me it was.

There's always one.

pretty-in-pink · 07-11-2007 7:29pm

jor el wrote: »

There's always one.

or -1 as the case may be.......

lol

leninbenjamin · 07-11-2007 8:15pm

Kipperhell wrote: »

Shocking that the education system fails so many but I put it mostly down to laziness.

too often people put it down to laziness but it's not at all... it's a catch 22. you can pass an maths exam without fully understanding the subject, that's what our exam system is today. when the question says X, do Y. this applies across all levels, including third where a huge amount manage to scrap by in maths. they subsequently go on to do the Hdip, get a job teaching maths and then you have teachers who haven't a notion trying to explain this stuff to our kids (obviously this is something of an over generalisation, but it does hold for an awful lot).

pickarooney · 07-11-2007 9:23pm

leninbenjamin wrote: »

too often people put it down to laziness but it's not at all... it's a catch 22. you can pass an maths exam without fully understanding the subject, that's what our exam system is today. when the question says X, do Y. this applies across all levels, including third where a huge amount manage to scrap by in maths. they subsequently go on to do the Hdip, get a job teaching maths and then you have teachers who haven't a notion trying to explain this stuff to our kids (obviously this is something of an over generalisation, but it does hold for an awful lot).

How is that a Catch 22 (or even -22)?

Toto Wolfcastle · 07-11-2007 9:29pm

I wonder what Tina would do if she was put in a room with only 2 doors to get out. Would she choose:

Door A: Brings you outside to -6 degrees C. (Tina: Oh, that sounds cold, it'll ruin my tan.)

or

Door B: Brings you outside to -38 degrees C. (Tina: Oh yes, that sounds great. That's the temperature it was last year in Playa del Ingles. I can work on my tan.)

toiletduck · 07-11-2007 9:45pm

contains more cold

Oh dear... *shakes head*

Blowfish · 07-11-2007 9:48pm

toiletduck wrote: »

Oh dear... *shakes head*

Indeed, I'm beginning to think Cheeky_gal is a distant cousin of Tina's...

Cheeky_gal · 07-11-2007 9:51pm

Blowfish wrote: »

Indeed, I'm beginning to think Cheeky_gal is a distant cousing of Tina's...

I could be Tina...

Pherekydes · 07-11-2007 9:55pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

I could be Tina...

'twould explain a lot.

Unpossible · 07-11-2007 10:29pm

janeybabe26 wrote: »

I wonder what Tina would do if she was put in a room with only 2 doors to get out. Would she choose:

Door A: Brings you outside to -6 degrees C. (Tina: Oh, that sounds cold, it'll ruin my tan.)

or

Door B: Brings you outside to -38 degrees C. (Tina: Oh yes, that sounds great. That's the temperature it was last year in Playa del Ingles. I can work on my tan.)

This seems like a perfect solution, it hits -30C here in winter so we could hold the competition in Finland

the kids can meet santa while they are here, everybody is happy.

Capt'n Midnight · 07-11-2007 10:37pm

-40 is the same in Centigrade, Celsius or Farenheit
and is way higher than 40 kelvin

-5 is higher than -6

-6 is bigger than -5 (size)

leninbenjamin · 07-11-2007 11:01pm

pickarooney wrote: »

How is that a Catch 22 (or even -22)?

it isn't. my heads just fried from looking at a PC screen too much. more like a self perpetuating problem...

astrofool · 08-11-2007 12:30am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

-40 is the same in Centigrade, Celsius or Farenheit
and is way higher than 40 kelvin

-5 is higher than -6

-6 is bigger than -5 (size)

Unless i'm mistaken, celsius and centigrade refer to the same scale.

Outer Bongolia · 08-11-2007 12:35am

Teg Veece wrote: »

OMG. No! -5 is higher than -6. It's not bigger than it though. There's a small but important difference between "higher" and "bigger" when it comes to negative numbers.

"Bigger" is generally preceived as being relative to the number 0. The further away from 0, the bigger the number, in either direction (positively or negatively).

"Higher" on the other hand, refers to the number's closeness to infinity. -5 is close to infinity than -6.

yeah I keep saying bigger instead of higher

Cheeky_gal · 09-11-2007 8:51pm

Just a quickie to say,

I checked with an honours maths teacher and according to him, yes, you are all correct, -5 is the bigger number.

Also, checked with a science teacher and according to her, yes, once again, you are all correct, something cannot possibly "contain more cold".

So, my apologies and cudos for the learning experience.

Terry · 09-11-2007 9:04pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Just a quickie to say,

I checked with an honours maths teacher and according to him, yes, you are all correct, -5 is the bigger number.

Also, checked with a science teacher and according to her, yes, once again, you are all correct, something cannot possibly "contain more cold".

So, my apologies and cudos for the learning experience.

Kudos. Not cudos.

You're learning again.

Teg Veece · 09-11-2007 9:06pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

I checked with an honours maths teacher and according to him, yes, you are all correct, -5 is the bigger number.

*Sigh

Cheeky_gal · 09-11-2007 9:11pm

Terry wrote: »

Kudos. Not cudos.

You're learning again.

haha I am, thank you.

Teg Veece wrote: »

*Sigh

Oh for the love of God what now??

Tar.Aldarion · 09-11-2007 9:12pm

That's just semantics. It depends on how you define bigger in this respect.

Pherekydes · 09-11-2007 10:55pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Just a quickie to say,

I checked with an honours maths teacher...

Also, checked with a science teacher...

What? You didn't believe any of us? :eek:

There's no love for the boardsies.

Which is bigger, -5 or -6?

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