Paul Tibbits dies

ruskin

Paul Tibbits, the man who dropped the first a-bomb on Hiroshima in 1945, has died at the age of 92. Isnt it just wrong that that monster lived a long healthy life after what he took part in? He dropped a bomb that completly disintegrated human life, and caused countless cancers and suffering for years to come

P_1

Que 'he was just following orders ala the nazis' responses

connundrum

What would you have preferred happen to him?

jhegarty

You do know more people would have died (on both sides) if the US had the invade japan ?

AlmightyCushion

ruskin wrote: »

Paul Tibbits, the man who dropped the first a-bomb on Hiroshima in 1945, has died at the age of 92. Isnt it just wrong that that monster lived a long healthy life after what he took part in? He dropped a bomb that completly disintegrated human life, and caused countless cancers and suffering for years to come

In fairness if he didn't do it someone else would. Should the person who made the nuts and bolts for the bomb deserve to die at a young age too.

Mossy Monk

ruskin wrote: »

Isnt it just wrong that that monster lived a long healthy life after what he took part in?

Shut up.

csm

he was following orders. just like the nazis. what of it?

people do crazy things when under situations like that (e.g. stanford prison experiment) and to be fair, the full extent of destruction wasn't fully known back then.

*Kol*

ruskin wrote: »

Paul Tibbits, the man who dropped the first a-bomb on Hiroshima in 1945, has died at the age of 92. Isnt it just wrong that that monster lived a long healthy life after what he took part in? He dropped a bomb that completly disintegrated human life, and caused countless cancers and suffering for years to come

:rolleyes: Jeez.

wyndham

That bomb saved millions of lives.

mike65

Some peeps should not have teh interweb. Anyway if anyone is to blame its Oppenheimer of course!

Mike.

ircoha

ruskin wrote: »

Paul Tibbits, the man who dropped the first a-bomb on Hiroshima in 1945, has died at the age of 92. Isnt it just wrong that that monster lived a long healthy life after what he took part in? He dropped a bomb that completly disintegrated human life, and caused countless cancers and suffering for years to come

He was the pilot.

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disintegrated human life, and caused countless cancers and suffering for years to come

The HSE is pretty much doing that now

ruskin

It is a useless argument to say that the bomb saved millions of lives. By the time it was dropped, the war was all but over in continental Europe and in the Pacific the Americans were obviously winning. There was no need for the bombs to be dropped on Japan, and those involved in their deployment made a serious mistake

jhegarty

ruskin wrote: »

It is a useless argument to say that the bomb saved millions of lives. By the time it was dropped, the war was all but over in continental Europe and in the Pacific the Americans were obviously winning. There was no need for the bombs to be dropped on Japan, and those involved in their deployment made a serious mistake

Except that Japan was going to fight until the last man , woman and child had died....

Sinfonia

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biko

wyndham wrote: »

That bomb saved millions of lives.

Thanks for your input.

Now from wiki:

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear attacks during World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States of America under US President Harry S. Truman. After six months of intense firebombing of 67 other Japanese cities, on August 6, 1945, the nuclear weapon "Little Boy" was dropped on the city of Hiroshima, followed on August 9, 1945 by the detonation of the "Fat Man" nuclear bomb over Nagasaki. These are the only uses of nuclear weapons in warfare.

As many as 140,000 people in Hiroshima and 80,000 in Nagasaki may have died from the bombings by the end of 1945, roughly half on the days of the bombings. Since then, thousands more have died from injuries or illness due to radiation. In both cities, the overwhelming majority of the dead were civilians.

Couldn't have done more damage if they've flown the bomb planes into a building.

Why did the yanks drop the second bomb? They've already killed more than 100.000 people. It seems survivors from the Hiroshima bombing made their way to Nagasaki and were actually bombed again.

ircoha

ruskin wrote: »

It is a useless argument to say that the bomb saved millions of lives. By the time it was dropped, the war was all but over in continental Europe and in the Pacific the Americans were obviously winning. There was no need for the bombs to be dropped on Japan, and those involved in their deployment made a serious mistake

History is a person's opinion of what happened.:)

speaktofrank

exactly. If i had been president I would have dropped a third just to spite them.
I know a lot of veterans feel the same. remember the death march, the horrors of Japanese prisoner of war camps? The Japanese invasion of modern day China etc Pearl Harbor. The list goes on. They got what was coming to them.

Mr.Micro

Only the good die young .

jhegarty

So ruskin, what would you have done ? if you were the US President...

biko

speaktofrank wrote: »

exactly. If i had been president I would have dropped a third just to spite them.
I know a lot of veterans feel the same. remember the death march, the horrors of Japanese prisoner of war camps? The Japanese invasion of modern day China etc Pearl Harbor. The list goes on. They got what was coming to them.

I can't believe how aggressive Americans are.

Orange69

This thread is teh ghey!

leninbenjamin

jhegarty wrote: »

Except that Japan was going to fight until the last man , woman and child had died....

were they? i read somewhere recently that they were already going to surrender by the time the bombs dropped.

ejmaztec

I understood that the nuclear attacks weren't that necessary, but the Americans wanted to send a signal to the Russians to show them what they had to offer. The Russian army was getting close to Japan and the Americans didn't like the idea of them moving in.

Poxyshamrock

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Only the good die young .

but that doesn't mean only the evil die old! :mad:

Binomate

jhegarty wrote: »

You do know more people would have died (on both sides) if the US had the invade japan ?

This is not true. The Japs days were numbered when the bomb was dropped. Japan had very little fight left in her. The decision to drop the bomb was completely wrong. In fact, it was more of an experiment than it was a quick end to the war.

monkeyfudge

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

In fairness if he didn't do it someone else would. Should the person who made the nuts and bolts for the bomb deserve to die at a young age too.

Believe it or not one of the Marx brothers designed the clamps for the bomb release mechanism.

justfortherecor

Binomate wrote: »

This is not true. The Japs days were numbered when the bomb was dropped. Japan had very little fight left in her. The decision to drop the bomb was completely wrong. In fact, it was more of an experiment than it was a quick end to the war.

The Japanese (not "Japs") days had been numbered since the Battle of Midway. It didn't stop their manic fighting at Iwo Jima (216 surrendered, other 20,700 perished or commited suicide) and in Okinawa where over 200,000 died and many again commited seppaku. Invading Honshu would have been an absolute bloodbath for both sides.

Remember, it didnt matter a damn about military capabilities and strength to the ordinary Japanese at that time. As long as they still thought they were fighting a religious war, they would have fought to the very end.

It was only after Hiroshima and Nagasaki that Emperor Hirohito saw what awaited his country and ordered the surrender (first time he was ever heard by the Japanese people btw); they quickly laid down their arms after that and one of the most successful occupations of a defeated state ensued. Hiroshima was a tragic event but it was, unfortunately, necessary. It changed the course of Japanese history and without doubt a better Japan emerged from the whole experience.

Look where Japan is today.

bushy...

justfortherecor wrote: »

Look where Japan is today.

Compared to where they were
(Note date is 1933-45)
If it helped end that .....





don't click link if delicate etc.

Binomate

justfortherecor wrote: »

The Japanese (not "Japs") days had been numbered since the Battle of Midway. It didn't stop their manic fighting at Iwo Jima (216 surrendered, other 20,700 perished or commited suicide) and in Okinawa where over 200,000 died and many again commited seppaku. Invading Honshu would have been an absolute bloodbath for both sides.

Remember, it didnt matter a damn about military capabilities and strength to the ordinary Japanese at that time. As long as they still thought they were fighting a religious war, they would have fought to the very end.

It was only after Hiroshima and Nagasaki that Emperor Hirohito saw what awaited his country and ordered the surrender (first time he was ever heard by the Japanese people btw); they quickly laid down their arms after that and one of the most successful occupations of a defeated state ensued. Hiroshima was a tragic event but it was, unfortunately, necessary. It changed the course of Japanese history and without doubt a better Japan emerged from the whole experience.

Look where Japan is today.

Yes, clearly by the way they gave up once the bombs had been dropped, they would not go out with out a fight...

bushy... wrote: »

Compared to where they were

Note date is 1933-45





don't click link if delicate etc.

Bah ha ha. I hope you're not trying to use the fact that they carried out inhumane tests on human subjects as a justification for dropping a nuclear weapon on a city full of civilians. If you want to use that method of justification, I can retort with the fact that America was segregated at that time. Maybe if the Russians had dropped a Nuke in Manhattan the deep south would have suddenly cleaned up their act.

jhegarty

Binomate wrote: »

Yes, clearly by the way they gave up once the bombs had been dropped, they would not go out with out a fight...

They didn't give up when the bomb was dropped , they waited until the second was ....

they had flight left in them , but was something they couldn't fight...

justfortherecor

They had fight left in them as long as the Emperor still wished them to.