Another school shooting in the USA

humanji

JESUS CHRIST!!! You wouldn't see all that in an Arnie flick!!!

HammerHeadGym

Mossy Monk wrote: »

...These are happening so regularly now the shock factor is gone.

I agree, perhaps the Gunmen of America could get together and come up with a theme or design for the shootings so as to help them hit home more.

Mossy Monk

Mossy Monk wrote: »

The amount of weapons this child had in his posession is shocking.

Highlighted the relevant part. He was only 14, and yet...

Fox News wrote:

The weapons found included a 9 mm assault rifle that the teenager's mother had recently bought for him

The mind boggles...

Reku

I just keep thinking of the lyrics from the song "Teenagers":
"The boys and girls in the clique
The awful names that they stick
You’re never gonna fit in much, kid
But if you’re troubled and hurt
What you got under your shirt
Will make them pay for the things that they did."

Seems to about sum it up with most of these school shootings, people getting peeved over how they are treated and then going postal (should postal not be changed to schoolkid at this point, been many years since I've heard of a mail worker shooting up the place?).

meglome

It really is a sad reflection on their society.

ryanairzer wrote: »

Don't pretend that wouldn't arouse you. I fully condone psychopathic hot girls.

My post of the day

meglome

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301237,00.html
The weapons found included a 9 mm assault rifle that the teenager's mother had recently bought for him, Castor said. Police also found about 30 air-powered guns, plus swords, knives, hand grenades, a bomb-making book, videos of the 1999 Columbine attack in Colorado and violence-filled notebooks. The weapons were plainly visible in the boy's bedroom, Castor said.

Do Americans see anything wrong here?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

indeed, no mention of a father..

this is what happens when society starts to accept the decay of marriage.

Nick_oliveri

Air powered guns as in air propells bullet? Or air propells BB?

ambro25

The-Rigger wrote: »

Hello Kitty gun

That is not a gun, it's an inoffensive toy. See attachment.

Air cannot propel a bullet, only a pellet or a ball bearing (or a plastic ball, in the above case).

As with the Columbine event way back when, the kid probably already had deep psychological issues, as attested by the paraphernalia found in his bedroom.

Whatever happened at the school before the shooting was just a catalyst.

Manic Moran

ambro25 wrote: »

That is not a gun, it's an inoffensive toy. See attachment.

Here's a real one for you.
http://www.libertybelles.org/images2/fame/hellokittypinkgun.gif

NTM

Manic Moran

meglome wrote: »

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301237,00.html
The weapons found included a 9 mm assault rifle that the teenager's mother had recently bought for him, Castor said. Police also found about 30 air-powered guns, plus swords, knives, hand grenades, a bomb-making book, videos of the 1999 Columbine attack in Colorado and violence-filled notebooks. The weapons were plainly visible in the boy's bedroom, Castor said.

Do Americans see anything wrong here?

Yes. No such thing as a 9mm assault rifle, for starters. It requires an intermediate-power cartridge like a 5.56mm, plus full-auto capability. This was a pistol-calibre semi-automatic carbine. Still quite lethal at close range, but I do hate it when people pick the scariest possible term regardless of accuracy.

I'm also fairly sure that there are laws against the average 14-year-old posessing hand grenades. I'm not even sure where you'd buy one, maybe Wyk knows.

There is definitely a failure in parenting here, possibly in education.

NTM

Acid_Violet

The attitude to guns in America is ridiculous. We were having a debate about whether guns should be legal in my course, which consists of 19 people, 2 of them american, and everyone opposed the legalisation of guns except the americans, both of whom would consider themselves to be liberals.

Their logic is that you need guns for protection, like if someone were to attack you in some way, bank robbery or whatever, and they thought the availability of guns had nothing to do with the frequency of shootings, that the gun would be replaced by a knife instead, even though you can do so much more damage with a gun and a gun makes people feel more powerful than they are, giving them a further surge to be violent.

Manic Moran

Acid_Violet wrote: »

both of whom would consider themselves to be liberals.

What's wrong with that? Isn't the idea of liberalism that one should be free to do what one wishes? If someone wants an abortion, let them. If someone wants to have homosexual relations, let them. If someone wants to speak freely, let them. If someone wants to smoke a joint, let them.

Why, all of a sudden, should a liberal reverse course on that one issue of "If you want a firearm to defend yourself... Tough!"

NTM

Terry

Manic Moran wrote: »

What's wrong with that? Isn't the idea of liberalism that one should be free to do what one wishes? If someone wants an abortion, let them. If someone wants to have homosexual relations, let them. If someone wants to speak freely, let them. If someone wants to smoke a joint, let them.

Why, all of a sudden, should a liberal reverse course on that one issue of "If you want a firearm to defend yourself... Tough!"

NTM

A man having sex with another man never killed anyone.

Yeah, AIDS, but that can happen through many different ways.

Acid_Violet

Manic Moran wrote: »

What's wrong with that? Isn't the idea of liberalism that one should be free to do what one wishes? If someone wants an abortion, let them. If someone wants to have homosexual relations, let them. If someone wants to speak freely, let them. If someone wants to smoke a joint, let them.

Why, all of a sudden, should a liberal reverse course on that one issue of "If you want a firearm to defend yourself... Tough!"

NTM

I was mentioning it because generally speaking you'd imagine Americans with pro-gun stances to be traditionally of 'conservative' opinions, not of 'liberal' political mindsets. What you say is true, but these people were actively in support of the legalization and usage of guns, not passively being open-minded to guns and thinking 'they're ok for some, not for others'.

Mr.Micro

Its the all powerful Gun lobby in the US who refuse to grow up and stick doggedly to the right to bear arms .They still think they are in the wild west.No wonder young people use guns as they are readily available to carry out some confused revenge with deadly effect.Why the media bothers to report it in the US ,surprises me as they are common place and to be expected .

Black Swan

leninbenjamin wrote: »

nothing politicians can do will really. it's the general American psyche it seems that causes the problem,

Well, I've been away from Ireland for about 2 years now Stateside attending university and I've been looking for that "thing" called the "general American psyche." Anyone know where I can find one? Are they furry things like you find on a Critter film? Or do they disguise themselves when they visit Dub to where you cannot tell them apart from others walking down the street?

Nailz

Like this only happens in America, there must be at least 5 school shootings a year! But I can only blame Americans for this, like there is no place were there's no guns in America. More guns there than people and thats a fact! But ffs, they sell guns and ammo in supermarkets! Wall*Mart is to blame, hicks are to blame, fuckin' everywere that sells gun are to blame! Think about it... if there are no guns, no one would be shot.

Terry

Nailz wrote:

More guns there then people

Me not understooded???

Manic Moran

Terry wrote: »

Me not understooded???

I believe he meant "than"

A man having sex with another man never killed anyone

And? Careful law-abiding citizens tend not to kill people either. (At least, without good cause)

But ffs, they sell guns and ammo in supermarkets!

I find it quite convenient. Wanted to do a spot of shooting last time I was in Vegas. For whatever reason, I had no ammo, and instead of trying to hunt around for a specialist shop in an unfamiliar town, I just swung by a WalMart I found by the freeway. As long as all the relevant laws are followed, what does it matter if the shop is a specialist store or a general goods store?

NTM

Terry

Manic Moran wrote:

And? Careful law-abiding citizens tend not to kill people either. (At least, without good cause)

What would you consider good cause?

I find it quite convenient. Wanted to do a spot of shooting last time I was in Vegas. For whatever reason, I had no ammo, and instead of trying to hunt around for a specialist shop in an unfamiliar town, I just swung by a WalMart I found by the freeway. As long as all the relevant laws are followed, what does it matter if the shop is a specialist store or a general goods store?

Shooting should be a privelege and not a right.
Guns are dangerous weapons and the less people who have them, the better off we all are.
Selling ammunition in supermarkets is irresponsible. It should only be sold to people who have been vetted and deemed sane enough not to go around killing others.

Teenagers should not be allowed to get their hands on guns because they tend to be unstable at times.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

did he say it's a right? It's pretty likely he has a license for the gun he was shooting, and that walmart has a license to sell ammo. Tbh, ifI had to choose which I wanted here... guns or walmart.. I'd pick guns.

Guns are dangerous weapons and the less people who have them, the better off we all are.

cars are dangerous weapons, and the less peoplen who have them, the better off we all are. Gun's don't pollute the atmosphere in the same way cars to either, I mean if guns contributed alot to global warming.. I'd concede you may have a point... but no. Lots of stuff is dangerous. IF you're goign to ban guns because ofd the harm to human life, what about alcohol?

Selling ammunition in supermarkets is irresponsible. It should only be sold to people who have been vetted and deemed sane enough not to go around killing others.

such as people with gun licenses?

Teenagers should not be allowed to get their hands on guns because they tend to be unstable at times.

first sensible thing you've said in this thread... although gun use under the proper supervision would be no harm. The problem in alot of these shootring cases is that the parents are just too retarded to lock their guns away safely. IT's not guns that are the problem, it's the retards that own them.

Terry

Mordeth wrote:

cars are dangerous weapons, and the less peoplen who have them, the better off we all are. Gun's don't pollute the atmosphere in the same way cars to either, I mean if guns contributed alot to global warming.. I'd concede you may have a point... but no. Lots of stuff is dangerous. IF you're goign to ban guns because ofd the harm to human life, what about alcohol?

You need a licence to legally drive a car here.
You have to be 18 to legally buy alcohol here.
Do you see where I'm going with this?

such as people with gun licenses?

Walmart don't check to see if you have a gun licence.

first sensible thing you've said in this thread... although gun use under the proper supervision would be no harm. The problem in alot of these shootring cases is that the parents are just too retarded to lock their guns away safely. IT's not guns that are the problem, it's the retards that own them.

Yeah. Guns don't kill people, people do.
People who shouldn't have access to guns in the first place.

Stricter vetting procedures are needed. Simple as that.

Vegeta

Terry wrote: »

You need a licence to legally drive a car here.
You have to be 18 to legally buy alcohol here.
Do you see where I'm going with this?
.

You need a license to own a gun here.

Of course that doesn't mean people don't have them illegally just like some people drive with no license and some people get served underage in pubs

Just want to say also there are about 250,000 legally held firearms in ireland. 1 for every 16 people

TheAlmightyArse

Mordeth wrote: »

cars are dangerous weapons, and the less peoplen who have them, the better off we all are. Gun's don't pollute the atmosphere in the same way cars to either, I mean if guns contributed alot to global warming.. I'd concede you may have a point... but no. Lots of stuff is dangerous. IF you're goign to ban guns because ofd the harm to human life, what about alcohol?

Gun are designed to injure or kill. That's their only purpose. They have no other use. The same isn't true about cars or alcohol. The car analogy is especially flawed; the advantages far outweigh the danger, to the point that society in the developed world simply couldn't function without widely available motor transport. Can you reasonably argue that for guns?

Mordeth wrote: »

IT's not guns that are the problem, it's the retards that own them.

So how were the idiots able to get guns in their hands? Because guns were widely available. The solution? Don't make guns widely available. Seems pretty obvious.

Reku

Terry wrote: »

Selling ammunition in supermarkets is irresponsible.

Good point really since a home made gun utilising such ammo is quite possible with just some basic metalwork tools and knowledge.

Terry wrote: »

Teenagers should not be allowed to get their hands on guns because they tend to be unstable at times.

Terry wrote: »

You need a licence to legally drive a car here.
You have to be 18 to legally buy alcohol here.
Do you see where I'm going with this?

True, it is quite "odd" that a teenager can get their hands on guns no problem yet alcohol is still a no-no.
So teenager with a gun vs. drunk teenager with no gun, who do you think is more likely to kill you from a threat point of view (excluding frame of mind, which to be honest cannot really be accounted for in law since it is not a tangible fact).

Vegeta wrote: »

You need a license to own a gun here.

Of course that doesn't mean people don't have them illegally just like some people drive with no license and some people get served underage in pubs

Just want to say also there are about 250,000 legally held firearms in ireland. 1 for every 16 people

Actually that's just shotguns (according to the article I was refering to when meantioning this figure in a similar thread about 2 weeks back) so there are in fact even more legally owned guns.:(

ambro25

Manic Moran wrote: »

Here's a real one for you.
http://www.libertybelles.org/images2/fame/hellokittypinkgun.gif

Your point is somewhat lost on me

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Terry wrote: »

You need a licence to legally drive a car here.
You have to be 18 to legally buy alcohol here.
Do you see where I'm going with this?

pretty sure you need a license to own a gun in the states, but manic would be the man to ask about that.

Walmart don't check to see if you have a gun licence.

well, smack dealers don't ask for Id. regulation, regulation, regulation.

Yeah. Guns don't kill people, people do.
People who shouldn't have access to guns in the first place.

cars don't killpeople, people do. Peoplewho shouldn't have access to cars in the first place.

Stricter vetting procedures are needed. Simple as that.

qft.

Gun are designed to injure or kill. That's their only purpose. They have no other use. The same isn't true about cars or alcohol. The car analogy is especially flawed; the advantages far outweigh the danger, to the point that society in the developed world simply couldn't function without widely available motor transport. Can you reasonably argue that for guns?

the motor car is a part of our way of life, that we have decided we can't live without.. but we could. Public transport could be *seriously* upgraded, all around the country. If everyone didn't spent a couple of grand on cars, petrol and insurance..and that money was taken by the goverment through taxes and spent on public transport..the car wouldn't be as 'neccesary' as it is deemed now.

It's the same in america, they like their guns. It's a part of their way of life, and while they can change.. pretty simply, they do not have to if they do not want to.

Nailz

Terry wrote: »

Me not understooded???

Sorry about that... but I do get confused as people in my area (and myself ofcource) say it as then, rather then than which is the right way to say it.

Nailz

Terry wrote: »

Guns don't kill people, people do.

Well if they didn't have guns they'd find it feckin' hard to do so! Who's the idiot that invented guns!? :rolleyes: