Another boy racer/loud exhaust rant..

Cathy666

Jason Broad Ibex wrote: »

I'm being driven fvcking crazy here with them again tonight (Dublin 13 area).

So much so in fact that I'm sleeping at the back of the house to try get some rest.

**** in old Honda Civic's, Mitsubishi's Lancers, Skyline dirt boxes, Glanza's. You name it and the pox bottles are ripping past my house every fvcking night/early morning of the week.

Don't tar us all with the same brush. I drive a modified car - a "dirt box" Skyline. I worked hard to buy the car and to maintain it. I don't however, drive like an idiot. There's a small minority out there who get a bad name for all of us. You seem to be a narrow-minded, self righteous waster. Get over yourself and lose the attitude.

Wompa1

It might be different everywhere else but in Galway the boy racers tend to drive around all night going around and around the same route. Its crap for those of us unfortunate enough to live on that route. Loud exhausts should be banned and then we'll all be happy. The boy racers can still have their toy cars and drive them pointlessly around the town all night and the rest of us can sleep peacefully

giggsy664

Modified cars aren't that bad IMO, it's just the exhaust that ****s the car up.

Cars can look well if they're done up properly, but if they have an exhaust the size of a tin of paint, then I hate them.

Unless the car was built with the sole purpose of having a loud exhaust (ie: Aston V8)

Quazzie

I lived in Galway for 8 months and used to drive that route everynight from 11-12 because that's when the cops were escorting the large trucks to the mines. It used to be great craic and it goes past all the major clubs and pubs so was a pretty good route for finding the ladies iirc.

Nice to know it's still going on 5+ years later.

Armin_Tamzarian

giggsy664 wrote: »

the car was built with the sole purpose of having a loud exhaust (ie: Aston V8)

Regarding this statement.
I printed out a list of technical errors which I think you'd enjoy discussing.

stepbar

Don't worry Mairt, give it another few months and they'll be parked up on the streets of Dublin. Hard to run a car when you're on the dole.....

stepbar

Cathy666 wrote: »

Don't tar us all with the same brush. I drive a modified car - a "dirt box" Skyline. I worked hard to buy the car and to maintain it. I don't however, drive like an idiot. There's a small minority out there who get a bad name for all of us. You seem to be a narrow-minded, self righteous waster. Get over yourself and lose the attitude.

It's sad when a man can't get a bit of peace in his own house having taken out a big mortgage to buy. Well boo who to him for giving out about it :rolleyes:

More importantly, Who are you trying to impress? I drive a nice car (that I've also worked hard for) but TBH I'don't really have the money or need to impress people by driving a skyline or what you have round the roads TBH. So in fairness roll the head back in please.

Lobster

I find it funny when sometimes your overtaking a corolla or civic type car and the loud exhaust gives away the fact that they are changing down and speeding up as you drive along side them. To me loud exhausts make it sound as if the engine is trying hard to keep up. I am more impressed by the fact my diesel can give plenty of power without resorting to excessive revs and noise, gives the impression your not trying too hard.
In saying that I do like the noise coming from actual powerful cars.

Coriolanus

Make caltrops.

Aldi welder (I bet they do one)
Length of decent thickness wire
Nice sharp clips to put a point on them.

Easy as pie. Just remember to get up early and kick any leftover into the ditch so you don't spork your own car. :P

Thoie

Someone mentioned earlier that firing an air gun at them would be an assault with a deadly weapon.

What about a supersoaker with water and washing up liquid? Would that be considered assault?

Fionnanc

If you surpirse them with the soaker and cause an accident you will be facing criminal charges
Ditto for all the homemade road traps. A reasonable person would be expected to know that those actions would be likely to cause an accident and likely death. Possible to argue a murder case in this situation if the boy racer is killed.

I believe the guards in Donegal started seizing modified cars but stopped after the howls of complaints from parents, saying their little Dylans couldn;t get to work /ex-cetera

positron

Talk to whoever and get speed humps put in. In the meantime, find out where they live and pour concrete or tar down those exhaust pipes..

jochenstacker

OK, everyone relax now!
There will be no spikes, no traps, no cheesewire, no homemade explosives, no assault with airrifles or any such shenanigans.
Just tarring everyone who drives a sporty car with the same brush won't help the issue.
The cars don't have a brain, they don't drive themselves around.
It takes a person behind the wheel to do that.
Simply banning a type of car will mean they'll turn up at your house with a different car.
If they where given Fiestas they'd find a way of making them loud (drill a hole just after the manifold).
What business is it of anyone what car people buy? It's a matter of personal taste. besides I have an issue with people who drive Corollas.
It shouts out to the world "I HAVE NO IMAGINATION, TASTE OR INDIVIDUALITY WHATSOEVER!"
But they are free to do so, even Nissan Micras (who should all be put in a pile and torched along with their octogenarian, 30 km/h driving owners)
For 99% Ireland has the meekest, slowest drivers I've ever seen (and the worst at reading the road ahead), that should be the problem being tackled.
But if a few d*ckheads burn up your neighborhood every night it just means one thing: The cops are not stopping them.
Why? That is the important question here.

Cathy666

stepbar wrote: »

More importantly, Who are you trying to impress? I drive a nice car (that I've also worked hard for) but TBH I'don't really have the money or need to impress people by driving a skyline or what you have round the roads TBH. So in fairness roll the head back in please.

I'm not trying to impress anyone. I wanted a Skyline since I was 11 or 12 years of age, so I saved up and bought the car two years ago.
What car do you drive as a matter of interest? :rolleyes:

Cathy666

positron wrote: »

Talk to whoever and get speed humps put in. In the meantime, find out where they live and pour concrete or tar down those exhaust pipes..

It's nice to see boards.ie is full of mature people. In fairness, what is that going to solve? Nothing. You'll just piss them off. Speed bumps won't solve anything either to be honest. They put ramps down in my estate last year. Since then, it's just encouraged the 'boy racers' to slow right down for a ramp, then fly down to the next ramp in first gear. Thus creating more noise.

Noopti

If a car is monitored for the amount of air pollution it produces, then it should also be monitored for the amount of noise pollution.

I have no issue with Skylines and the like, people are entitled to their own preferences with regards to cars but if the exhaust creates a noise akin to dying elephant with tonsilitis then it shouldn't be allowed. Simple as.

I'm no car expert, but isn't there a way for these modified cars to retain there engine power etc etc without the bloody ridiculous and horrible noise they produce? Afterall, there are plently of purpose built high powered sports cars that don't produce the same noise.

Although I'm sure if there was a law against the noise these cars produce the ownership of said cars would drop dramatically. Afterall, it seems to me that with most of these cars/owners it is about how powerful the car appears to be, and not how powerful it actually is in reality.

Cathy666

As far as I know, there might be a law coming in with restrictions on dB. Supposedly it will be tested in the NCT too.

Personally, excessively noisy exhausts drive me insane. I live close to the M50, so I can hear cars racing up and down every night. The worst is the screaming VTEC sound.:rolleyes:

My own car is very quiet at idle and low rpm. It's only once you put the foot down that it's in any way loud, and at that, it's not very loud at all. I have an aftermarket exhaust on my car, but it has twin silencers

furtzy

Cathy666 wrote: »

It's nice to see boards.ie is full of mature people. In fairness, what is that going to solve? Nothing. You'll just piss them off. Speed bumps won't solve anything either to be honest. They put ramps down in my estate last year. Since then, it's just encouraged the 'boy racers' to slow right down for a ramp, then fly down to the next ramp in first gear. Thus creating more noise.

We had a muppet in our estate years ago that would constantly be out revving his car outside his house. He had a Civic "type r"....well he had put stickers to that effect on but the big drum brakes gave it away....with a stupid loud exhaust. If he was to reverse out of his driveway it would involve loads of revving and revving.....the guy was a tool. After numerous complaints from the neighbours my mate bought a can of that No More Big Gaps filler and emptied it into the exhaust.....worked a treat...no more stupid exhaust!

eddie.fandango

I have a solution: Eugenics. Problem solved :pac:

KerranJast

The only noise from a car should be the sweet sound of a brilliant engine. Artificial exhaust noise is for cheapass wannabes driving glorified Micras.

SV

KerranJast wrote: »

The only noise from a car should be the sweet sound of a brilliant engine. Artificial exhaust noise is for cheapass wannabes driving glorified Micras.

You do know a lot of exhausts(stock) are designed to have a certain noise?
(as in fairly loud for a lot of them)

Tefral

Cathy666 wrote: »

As far as I know, there might be a law coming in with restrictions on dB.

its already in:

I’m sure most of ye know how EU Directives are transposed into Irish Law. When an EU Directive is made they are put into Irish law by means of a Statutory Instrument (S.I)

So the Original Council Directive that dealt with this sound testing is: DIRECTIVE 70/157/EEC

This then was ignored by most countries and became more comprehensive in 2007 by the last amendment: 2007/34/EC.


Then only on the 27th of June last year (08) did it become transposed into Irish law under the Statutory Instrument S.I. No. 195 of 2008 EUROPEAN COMMUNITIES (MECHANICALLY PROPELLED VEHICLE ENTRY INTO SERVICE) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS 2008
So that’s no really relevant to us unless you were caught last year before 27th June.

So what does this mean to the Modifiers like us?: Basically they have put a stamp on the Maximum Noise Level in decibels.

The table here shows:

SOUND LEVEL OF MOVING VEHICLES
Limiting values
The sound level measured in accordance with the provisions of Annex III shall not exceed the following limits:
Vehicle categories: Values expressed in dB(A)
Vehicles intended for the carriage of passengers, and comprising not more than nine seats including the driver's seat | 74dB |
Vehicles intended for the carriage of passengers and equipped with more than nine seats, including the driver's seat; and having a maximum permissible mass of more than 3,5 tonnes and:
with an engine power of less than 150 kW | 78dB |
with an engine power of not less than 150 kW | 80dB |
Vehicles intended for the carriage of passengers and equipped with more than nine seats, including the driver's seat; vehicles intended for the carriage of goods:
with a maximum permissible mass not exceeding 2 tonnes | 76dB |
with a maximum permissible mass exceeding 2 tonnes but not exceeding 3,5 tonnes | 77dB |
Vehicles intended for the carriage of goods and having a maximum permissible mass exceeding 3,5 tonnes:
with an engine power of less than 75 kW | 77dB |
with an engine power of not less than 75 kW but less than 150 kW | 78dB |
with an engine power of not less than 150 kW | 80dB |

However
- the limit values are increased by 1 dB(A) if they are equipped with a direct injection diesel engine,
- for vehicles with a maximum permissible mass of over two tonnes designed for off-road use, the limit values are increased by 1 dB(A) if their engine power is less than 150 kW and 2 dB(A) if their engine power is 150 kW or more,
- for vehicles in category 2.1.1, equipped with a manually operated gear box having more than four forward gears and with an engine developing a maximum power exceeding 140 kW/t and whose maximum power/maximum mass ratio exceeds 75 kW/t, the limit values are increased by 1 dB(A) if the speed at which the rear of the vehicle passes the line BB' in third gear is greater than 61 km/h.

For example
Toyota chaser 1JZ-GTE engine produces an output of 210kW allowing you a db level of 80dB
A Toyota Chaser/Supra engine of 2JZ-GTE engine produces an output of 206kW allowing you a db level of 80dB
A Glanza V which has the 4E-FTE with an engine output of 97kW so your level would be 74dB
Honda’s B16a Engine has an output of between 110kW and 130kw (depending on number) so your level would be 74dB
Hondas B18c Engine (Type R) has an output of 150kW so your allowance would be 80dB

If your Lucky to be flying around in a K20 Conversion the K20 Engine puts out roughly 165kW so your over the 150kW limit so your allowance is 80dB

If your beating around in a Twin Cam Toyotas 4A-GE (16-valve) produces 96–103 kW so your level is 74db. If it has the 24Valve Black top then that produces 121kW so that’s still 74dB

If your Driving a Pulsar VZR N1 the engine has an output of 147kW so your just under the 150kW limit and your allowance is 74db

- source cronin_j @ midnighclub.ie

SV

So a a car below 150kw has to conform to the same volume as a normal conversation?
and a high powered car has to conform to the same volume as a telephone dial tone?


Ridic.

Tefral

I think at this stage history has proven that the government in relation to cars anyway are idiots!

The only thing though is, this was an EU law.

jochenstacker

Do you really think they Gards will start crawling around your car with a DB meter?
The usual traffic stop consists of Tax, Insurance, Grand!
Other than that you could have 200 gallons of hooch in your trunk, an engine from a fighter jet, your car on fire, driving backwards with your arse out the window.
Unless you went 1 km/h over the speed limit on the dual carriageway, they'll have you in a split second!

Jen Pigs Fly

There are a lot of these crappy 92 fords with incredibly loud engines near where I keep my horse. (donadea, meath)

Once a group of young lads sped past, bloody noise of the car, and was way too close to my horse and zig zagging accross the road in order to try to annoy me. horse, who was narky at the time, gives a swift kick to the side of the car. There was a massive hoof sized dent.

They tried to take me to court over damages, the horse really hurt her pastern (ankle), guess who won? haha! Boy races 0 - Hasna (my horse) 1. Didn't even need to go to court, lawyer said that they would loose within minutes.

even now the little bollixes stop to apologise to me whenever they see me, finally copped on that messing with loud noises and large animals with iron on their feet is a bad thing.

I wait for my next run in haha!