Find Out About The Real David Icke.

Ciaran500

Woghd wrote:

Why are you assuming I'm lying? Just because I won't tell you? Don't you think that if I *WAS* lying, that I would simply make up some PhD? Think about it.

You were lying about it being on your site, I didn't say you were lying about having them

Woghd wrote:

Admit that it simply agrevates you that I won't tell you, and I will continue not to tell you, so deal with it. You don't see ME questioning everyone's education, but then I'm not rude like you people.

We didn't throw our educations in your face.

Irish Wolf

Oh yeah hi... Woghd!!!

I had a few questions directly addressed to you.. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53891204&postcount=444

Care to answer?

AlmightyCushion

Irish Wolf wrote:

Oh yeah hi... Woghd!!!

I had a few questions directly addressed to you.. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53891204&postcount=444

Care to answer?

A demagogy is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.

Sounds like David Icke. Well the preaching to idiots part any ways.

Woghd

Ciaran500 wrote:

You were lying about it being on your site, I didn't say you were lying about having them

Wrong. I said "Start" with my site. But Why do you care so much, that's what's scares me.

We didn't throw our educations in your face.

My comment was in response to somebody bragging about his brother's Phd. I was simply trying to express that I wasn't impressed, as I have two myself. I'm 42 years old, something else I am prolly a fool to reveal, and have two scrapbooks filled with certificates, accreditations, and degrees. I'd be happy to brag about all the things I've done in my life, but I know you would only use the information in an attempt to kill the messenger, instead of open your eyes to the possibility of my message.

I'm not asking anyone to embrace my beliefs, only that they open their mind to the possibility.

Archangel

So Glad

Someone has edited the OP first post, so I'm going to take the liberty to repost what the OP originally wanted to show you people:

wrote:

David Icke in his own words: (From this website - www.newsforthesoul.com )

I am a former journalist, television presenter from England who has spent the last 15 years uncovering the biggest secret - who really controls the world and has done so for thousands of years.

I have written fourteen books including: "Tales from the Timeloop", "Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster - why the official story of 9/11 is a monumental lie", "The Biggest Secret", "...and the truth shall set you free", and "I Am Me, I Am Free". Bridge of Love Publications, my publisher, has also produced several videos including "The Freedom Road", "Turning of the Tide", "Revelations of a Mother Goddess", and "The Reptilian Agenda."

I reveal how a global secret society called the Illuminati (the "Illuminated Ones" as they call themselves) have been holding the reigns of power in the world since ancient times, expanding their power out of the Middle and Near East (and other centres) to control first Europe and then, thanks to the British Empire and other European empires, to take over in the Americas, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Asia, and elsewhere.

When those empires appeared to withdraw from these regions, the Illuminati left behind the secret society networks and the Illuminati bloodlines and these have continued to control and orchestrate events ever since. There are two type of prisons or dictatorships. There is the overt variety, which are clear dictatorships (communism, fascism, etc) and then there are the most effective variety of all - the covert dictatorship, the one that masquerades as freedom.

People do not rebel against not being free when they think they are!

The Illuminati have been working to a long planned and coordinated agenda to create a world government, central bank, army, and a micro-chipped population linked to a global computer. Anyone with an operational brain can see that all these things are now emerging ever more rapidly.

Under this edifice of global power are designed to be super states like the European Union (evolved out of the EEC free trade area), the American Union (to be evolved out of the NAFTA free trade area), and the Pacific Union (to be evolved out of the APEC free trade area). NATO (merging with the UN peacekeeping operation) is planned to be the world army, the world police force, to keep countries in line who do not wish to concede their sovereignty to the Illuminati world government, which is planned to evolve through the United Nations.

The structure of global control is pyramids inside pyramids. Very much like Russian dolls, one doll inside another. If you look at any organisation today you will see that it is structured as a pyramid. Those lower down the pyramid have no idea what the organisation they work for is really about. They just do their own job and go home every day. They don't know how what they do connects with other people's contribution to create a very obvious and sinister pattern and direction. Only the very few at the top know that. In this way the few can manipulate thousands in an organisation to advance an agenda that those thousands do not even know exists. There is a global version of this which manipulates billions in the same way.

These "individual" organisations, be they banks, trans-national corporations, media empires, NATO, etc., then fit into even bigger pyramids. So you find, for example, that at the peak of the global banking pyramid all the banks are ultimately controlled by the same people - the Illuminati. Same with the transnational corporations, the media, and so on. There is a global pyramid which encompasses the pyramids of banking, business, media, military, politics, and the other institutions that run the planet. At the peak of this pyramid you find the elite of the Illuminati who orchestrate their agenda for global control through all their, apparently unconnected, organisations.

This is why there has been an incessant move to centralisation of global power in all areas of our lives, banking, business, media, politics, whatever. It is orchestrated by the SAME people in accordance with the SAME agenda. You will find a stream of articles on this site that will give you detailed background to this agenda and there is endless information in my books which you can order from this website.

The Illuminati manipulate humanity through the mind and emotions. There are too many people and too few Illuminati to control people physically, except on a small scale. They have to manipulate the way the masses think and feel, so we live our lives and see the world in the way the Illuminati want us to. For instance, the most powerful of the manipulation techniques is one I call Problem-Reaction-Solution. It works like this:

You want to introduce something you know the people won't like.This may be more power to the police, a further erosion of basic freedoms, even a war. You know that if you offer these policies openly the people will react against them. So you first create a PROBLEM, a rising crime rate, more violence, a terrorist bomb, a government collapse, or you get one of your Illuminati puppets like Saddam Hussein to go to war.

You make sure someone else is blamed for this problem and not you, the real people behind it all. So you create a "patsy", as they call them in America, a Timothy McVeigh or a Lee Harvey Oswald. You then use your media to tell people what they should think about your manufactured event and who they should blame for it. This brings us to stage two, the REACTION from the people - "This can't go on what are THEY going to do about it?"

This allows THEY to then openly offer the SOLUTION to the problems they have created - new legislaation which advances their agenda of centralisation of global power or the erosion of more basic freedoms. This technique is being used all the time on the human mind and emotions, not least with the stream of mind-contolled youngsters and adults who go crazy with guns around the world and immediately prompt gun control laws.

I say this as someone who does not have guns and believes passionately in non-violence. But if we are going to be street-wise we need to look beyond our own beliefs and realise that the Illuminati is seeking to systematically disarm those who WOULD use weapons against them. Just before Adolf Hitler began to fill the concentration camps he introduced the same anti-gun legislation which we are seeing today all over the world.

We are now at a crucial time in this agenda's history. So many cards are waiting to be played by the Illuminati in the next 12 months. We are at a crossroads in human history. We can choose freedom or fall under the control of a global fascist state, a global version of Nazi Germany.

This does not have to happen, but to stop it a lot of arses need to be removed from a lot of chairs. This website and the books will give you the detailed background from which informed choices can be made.

What you have read here is a mere fraction of what there is to know and the picture is far bigger and more extraordinary than this brief outline has been able to detail. Look elsewhere on this site www.icke-media.com, www.davidicke.com or in my books and you will see what I mean!

Love,

David Icke

Irish Wolf

So Glad wrote:

Someone has edited the OP first post, so I'm going to take the liberty to repost what the OP originally wanted to show you people:

Good revisionist work So Glad..

Now how about a comment on the accussations levelled against David Icke with regards his revisionism of the Holocaust?

Woghd

So Glad wrote:

Someone has edited the OP first post, so I'm going to take the liberty to repost what the OP originally wanted to show you people:

Wow...Banned him (for what?) then edited his post. That's lovely. These are real wonderful people we are dealing with here....

Archangel

Irish Wolf

Woghd wrote:

Wow...Banned him (for what?) then edited his post. That's lovely. These are real wonderful people we are dealing with here....

Archangel

Don't worry little buddy.. so long as you stay within the rules you're safe..

AlmightyCushion

Woghd wrote:

Wow...Banned him (for what?) then edited his post. That's lovely. These are real wonderful people we are dealing with here....

Archangel

He spammed this across multiple forums. The rest of these threads were deleted because they were spam. The OP was considered spam so one of the moderators edited it.

AlmightyCushion

Irish Wolf wrote:

Don't worry little buddy.. so long as you stay within the rules you're safe..

Very true. People don't get banned here for having a different opinion, if they did the mod who banned them would get in some serious trouble from the admins.

Woghd

Irish Wolf wrote:

Don't worry little buddy.. so long as you stay within the rules you're safe..

My freind, you'll have to forgive me if I can't accept that at face value, given my treatment here. So what was this person banned for? As far as I can tell he/she was banned for starting a lively topic of conversation.

Archangel

AlmightyCushion

Woghd wrote:

My freind, you'll have to forgive me if I can't accept that at face value, given my treatment here. So what was this person banned for? As far as I can tell he/she was banned for starting a lively topic of conversation.

Archangel

I've already said this but you must have missed it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53891331&postcount=460

johnny_ultimate

Religious/academic taught
singularity is queer as 1 sex.
Believing is not knowing -
but evil that ignores facts.
Santa vital to Christmas -
No Santa - no Christmas.

Nesf you sly genius you.
Anyway, I have not read through this entire thread, but I have watched some of the videos and read some of the posts. The main 'proof' video is awful. As Blitzkrieg pointed out, if someone wanted to they could just use stop motion. However, I didn't see anything I would consider unusual - the quality is truly dreadful, impossible to decipher anything from.

Honestly, a decent video would make your arguements so much more valid. Of course, it is extremely unlikely I would buy into it even with a super high def 1080i video, but arguing the point over a fairly rubbish youtube video will not win any followers.

Woghd

AlmightyCushion wrote:

He spammed this across multiple forums. The rest of these threads were deleted because they were spam. The OP was considered spam so one of the moderators edited it.

Oh ok, well don't worry, I'll keep the lid on my can of delicious Hormel canned meat product.

Archangel

So Glad

Guys, what do you think about David's work about reality, and spirituality? I think that's his most interesting work....

Irish Wolf

Woghd wrote:

My freind, you'll have to forgive me if I can't accept that at face value, given my treatment here. So what was this person banned for? As far as I can tell he/she was banned for starting a lively topic of conversation.

Archangel

As lively a topic as may have turned out - at the time the OP was spamming forums.. which is a no-no here..

Not sure what happens on the Icke forums - but it is how it is.. if you got a grievance.. go to Feedback..

Now.. Woghd.. how about a few answers to my questions?

Irish Wolf

So Glad wrote:

Guys, what do you think about David's work about reality, and spirituality? I think that's his most interesting work....

No no no! We're not done here yet!

If you want to go discuss that then find another forum..

So Glad

Anyone ever hear of Michael Tsarion? He's a very good lecturer on spirituality/reality and 2012 and I think you guys might find him "interesting". He's very much like Icke, except no reptile stuff hehe :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822

Enjoy!

Oh, also, this guy's Irish! Born and bred in Belfast!

Woghd

johnny_ultimate wrote:

Nesf you sly genius you.
Anyway, I have not read through this entire thread, but I have watched some of the videos and read some of the posts. The main 'proof' video is awful. As Blitzkrieg pointed out, if someone wanted to they could just use stop motion. However, I didn't see anything I would consider unusual - the quality is truly dreadful, impossible to decipher anything from.

Honestly, a decent video would make your arguements so much more valid. Of course, it is extremely unlikely I would buy into it even with a super high def 1080i video, but arguing the point over a fairly rubbish youtube video will not win any followers.

I'm not going to argue about the quality of that film. Other factors make the quality a non-issue, plus the quality is better than the Zapruder film and the Patterson footage. Also, the quality is MORE than adequite to see the images. On top of all that, the "money shots" are up close and crystal clear. If you think you can write it off to bad quality, it should be a simple matter to take a crappy camera, film your girlfreind, and collect the reward money.

Archangel

So Glad

Irish Wolf wrote:

No no no! We're not done here yet!

If you want to go discuss that then find another forum..

I understand you want to focus on the reptiles, but that's not what David is primarily about. I agree with you 100% that the case for reptilians is weak, so I will move on having taken your points onto Icke's other works! Fair game on ya!

AlmightyCushion

So Glad wrote:

Anyone ever hear of Michael Tsarion? He's a very good lecturer on spirituality/reality and 2012 and I think you guys might find him "interesting". He's very much like Icke, except no reptile stuff hehe :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822

Enjoy!

Oh, also, this guy's Irish! Born and bred in Belfast!

That's right, because he's the same nationality as me that makes him a reputable source.

So Glad

AlmightyCushion wrote:

That's right, because he's the same nationality as me that makes him a reputable source.

Nope, I never said that. Stuff those words in my mouth why don't ya!

Irish Wolf

Answer the questions dudes..

Honestly, you're failure to answer indicates a belief that the Holocaust didn't happen..

Irish Wolf

So Glad wrote:

I understand you want to focus on the reptiles, but that's not what David is primarily about. I agree with you 100% that the case for reptilians is weak, so I will move on having taken your points onto Icke's other works! Fair game on ya!

No little buddy.. my focus is on the Holocaust.

AlmightyCushion

So Glad wrote:

Nope, I never said that. Stuff those words in my mouth why don't ya!

I know you never said that, it seemed stupid that you mentioned it.

Woghd

Ok, I'm tired of being on the defensive, especially when I've put my money where my mouth is, and nobody wants to take up the challenge, so I'm changing the rules a little.

I'm not answering any more attacks and challenges to my belief system. You want to know what my doctorates are in? Well, one is Philosophy, and what I want you guys to do is tell me YOUR belief systems so I can pick them apart.

That's right, I don't care if you are Christian, Athiest, Buddist, Shinto, Confusian, Muslim, Agnostic, Senyest, or simply confused. Tell me what you believe and I'll show you how screwed up you are.

Any takers?

Archangel

Irish Wolf

Woghd wrote:

Ok, I'm tired of being on the defensive, especially when I've put my money where my mouth is, and nobody wants to take up the challenge, so I'm changing the rules a little.

I'm not answering any more attacks and challenges to my belief system. You want to know what my doctorates are in? Well, one is Philosophy, and what I want you guys to do is tell me YOUR belief systems so I can pick them apart.

That's right, I don't care if you are Christian, Athiest, Buddist, Shinto, Confusian, Muslim, Agnostic, Senyest, or simply confused. Tell me what you believe and I'll show you how screwed up you are.

Any takers?

Archangel

W00t!

I'll take your challenge..

I'm Jewish!*












*not Jewish*

So Glad

Irish Wolf wrote:

No little buddy.. my focus is on the Holocaust.

Icke's research led him to conclude that some parts of the Jewish movement conspired to set up the holocaust. Is that what you're trying to get us to verify?

I have not seen this in any of the books I'VE read, but if the evidence is point that way, whatever. I have not seen anything yet.

Woghd

Irish Wolf wrote:

Answer the questions dudes..

Honestly, you're failure to answer indicates a belief that the Holocaust didn't happen..

You are NOT talking to me, I hope?
Arch

AlmightyCushion

Woghd wrote:

I've put my money where my mouth is, and nobody wants to take up the challenge, so I'm changing the rules a little.

I would like to know how much the reward is please? i have asked you on this thread and also pm'd you. Yet still nothing. Can you please answer this question?