Roma children taken into care today

TequilaMockingBird

Apparantly the Roma families on that roundabout in Dublin have had three children taken into care. Tried to get a link...bl**dy Vista...
Not trying to start any anti-Roma type thing here. Personally I think no children in this day and age should be living like that, and its good to see something being done about it. The parents need to be taught how to care for their children properly it seems. Very sad.

Duggy747

Well, that's a secure staple that'll allow them to stay. I love this country and the weakness of it. I didn't know we fixed our own homeless, poverty, child abuse so quickly overnight! If it was a bunch of homeless people on that roundabout the Gardaí would be sent around pretty nippy to clear 'em out. Just another day in silly Ireland.

Slow Motion

sueme wrote:

Apparantly the Roma families on that roundabout in Dublin have had three children taken into care. Tried to get a link...bl**dy Vista...
Not trying to start any anti-Roma type thing here. Personally I think no children in this day and age should be living like that, and its good to see something being done about it. The parents need to be taught how to care for their children properly it seems. Very sad.

I've already put the link in the other thread PC Madness.....

Kintarō Hattori

Duggy747 wrote:

Well, that's a secure staple that'll allow them to stay. I love this country and the weakness of it. I didn't know we fixed our own homeless, poverty, child abuse so quickly overnight! If it was a bunch of homeless people on that roundabout the Gardaí would be sent around pretty nippy to clear 'em out. Just another day in silly Ireland.

I suspect that would be the case alright. Plus the kids would be taken into state care.

ambman

every single one of them should be put on the boat and shipped out of here ASAP. these people make our travellers look like first class people.

TequilaMockingBird

Just spotted it Slow Motion

Slow Motion

sueme wrote:

Just spotted it Slow Motion

No bother I was getting tired of ranting in that thread, maybe I'll start here .......:p

film_gonzo

Duggy747 wrote:

Well, that's a secure staple that'll allow them to stay. I love this country and the weakness of it. I didn't know we fixed our own homeless, poverty, child abuse so quickly overnight! If it was a bunch of homeless people on that roundabout the Gardaí would be sent around pretty nippy to clear 'em out. Just another day in silly Ireland.

So what you're saying is that the government should make sure ALL the Irish children should be safe before we go worrying about children of other nationalities living in this country. Because y'know one child's safety and well being is not equal to anothers obviously.

Just because we still have problems in sections of Irish life shouldn't mean that we turn a blind eye to the well being of other nationalities (and especially children) living in our country.

Duggy747

film_gonzo wrote:

So what you're saying is that the government should make sure ALL the Irish children should be safe before we go worrying about children of other nationalities living in this country. Because y'know one child's safety and well being is not equal to anothers obviously.

Just because we still have problems in sections of Irish life shouldn't mean that we turn a blind eye to the well being of other nationalities (and especially children) living in our country.

Obviously I don't mean flush the kids down the toilet. By taking the kids into the care then the related families will be taken care of which will, more than likely, inevitably lead to the housing of the rest of these people. Just because you bring children with you while you CHOOSE to live in squalled conditions shouldn't be a free gold ticket into this country.

Max_Damage

ambman wrote:

every single one of them should be put on the boat and shipped out of here ASAP.

Agreed.

Slow Motion

film_gonzo wrote:

So what you're saying is that the government should make sure ALL the Irish children should be safe before we go worrying about children of other nationalities living in this country. Because y'know one child's safety and well being is not equal to anothers obviously.

Just because we still have problems in sections of Irish life shouldn't mean that we turn a blind eye to the well being of other nationalities (and especially children) living in our country.

You're being intentionally disengenious (sp?) The point here is that we should sort out our own problems before we import others ! Charity begins at home. And yes I will look after my own kids (if I had them ) before I will worry about my neighbours, and anyone who says they wouldn't is talking $hite !

Gran Hermano

Word on the street is that a Garda in Santry station told his colleague
he fancied a Roma takeaway and before they knew what was happening
there was a misguided convoy on the way to the roundabout.

Saint_Mel

ambman wrote:

every single one of them should be put on the boat and shipped out of here ASAP. these people make our travellers look like first class people.

It said on the news yesterday that the government offered them all free flights
home but they refused saying that their current conditions were far better than
what they would have if they returned home!

Mizu_Ger

RTE News did a report from the roundabout a few days ago. At one point only the men were there and when asked where the women were they said that they went off to get food. This was followed by some shots of the kids begging off cars stopped at traffic lights. I am not surprised that they are living in those conditions if the men won't get up off their arses and get some kind of work (or do anything at all). Also, one of the kids there was only 6 weeks old. Why do people in such poverty continue to have children? (I am not advocating a Nazi style extermintion by saying that, it just seems that common sense has gone out the window).

fly_agaric

film_gonzo wrote:

Because y'know one child's safety and well being is not equal to anothers obviously.

I agree. Parents who buy expensive toys and sweets for their own kids while other children around the world (or possibly even here at home) are deprived of necessities are a bunch of selfish pigs! They should have given that money to Trocaire or SvdeP.

Countries that deign to look after citizens (incl. children) ahead of foriegners either outside or just arrived in the state are similarly selfish and corrupt! :mad:

film_gonzo wrote:

Just because we still have problems in sections of Irish life shouldn't mean that we turn a blind eye to the well being of other nationalities (and especially children) living in our country.

Very true. And the Irish homeless are not a trendy cause. They don't even have any et-nic dress or do stuff like play accordions on the streets or anything like that.:mad:

Slow Motion

fly_agaric wrote:

Parents who buy expensive toys and sweets for their own kids while other children around the world (or possibly even here at home) are deprived of necessities are a bunch of selfish pigs! They should have given that money to Trocaire or SvdeP!

Countries that deign to look after citizens ahead of foriegners either outside or just arrived in the state are similarly selfish and corrupt! :mad:

What are you talking about ! People are selfish for doing their best for their kids ?

The state is corrupt for prioritising the welfare of it's tax paying citizens over foreign indigents ?

Get a grip ! :rolleyes:

fly_agaric

Slow Motion wrote:

What are you talking about ! People are selfish for doing their best for their kids ?

The state is corrupt for prioritising the welfare of it's tax paying citizens over foreign indigents ?

Get a grip ! :rolleyes:

Sorry, was being a little sarcastic.:)

Slow Motion

fly_agaric wrote:

Sorry, was being a little sarcastic.:)

Sorry ! Damn me and my rush to be offended !

super_furry

Shame the same doesn't happen with our own travelling community. If the average settle person was to raise their children in similar conditions, they'd be taken off them and put into care.

flogen

Duggy747 wrote:

Obviously I don't mean flush the kids down the toilet. By taking the kids into the care then the related families will be taken care of which will, more than likely, inevitably lead to the housing of the rest of these people. Just because you bring children with you while you CHOOSE to live in squalled conditions shouldn't be a free gold ticket into this country.

You obviously know nothing about the processes involving state care for kids if you think that.

Here are the facts of this case:
These Roma are, as members of the EU, free to travel to Ireland and can stay here as long as they want.
They are not entitled to work because they do not have any work permits.
They are not entitled to claim asylum because they are from the EU.
They are not entitled to claim state welfare because they are here as tourists.
It is not illegal to beg, so they cannot be arrested for that.
Even if they could be and were deported as a result nothing can stop them from coming back to Ireland on the next flight.

In other words, the state cannot deport them so they have a choice - ignore them and let the innocent kids suffer or take the kids into care and make sure they're safe.

What do you think is better?

And having the kids in care is not a pre-requisite for giving welfare to the rest of the Roma; their parents gave up any rights they had when they failed to give their kids proper care.

When any bad parent has their child taken from them they don't get anything. Also, after the Citizenship referendum, people who come here and have kids don't get automatic citizenship (although I think their child does, so the child can stay but they can't).

As far as I'm aware it would actually be illegal for the State to give the Roma welfare and would require a change in either Irish or EU law (or maybe even both).

Duggy747

That's the plain truth, the charities will help the close families reunite with their children eventually leading to adequete housing. Where do you think other Roma's live in this country, other roundabouts? We can't deport them because of EU law unless they broke the law. They knew that coming into this country they were not allowed work permits (unless self-employed) but yet they still came. The men are sitting at the camps twiddling their thumbs waiting for cash to be plopped into their pockets. All around the country these Roma's are usually situated in pretty decent (usually 3 bedroom) semi-detached houses. This is one example the government should take care of carefully or else these people will whip out their mobiles and ring a cousin of a cousin of a brother's uncle to which we'll have more situations like this.

They travelled through several countries and the best they got is a roundabout at Ballymun? Which I find quite odd that they don't have a relative in the UK, somewhere else, or here. Though that could be a possibility to why they're here in the first place. The educational aspects of a Roma child are incredibly low here as a lot of times they are put into mental handicap schools.

In the end the children will be snapped up by the HSE for obvious reasons and then those at the roundabout (probably most) will then be looked after, I bet you anything on that.

Papad

One senior Romanian embassy official told the Irish Independent: "We are very embarrassed that some of our citizens have been involved in aggressive begging on the streets of Dublin.

"They seem to be under the impression that if they stay here long enough they will be given special allowances.

"But the law is clear and there are many others watching developments elsewhere. If concessions are made in Ireland, a large influx of others will arrive." (And this, from the Romanian official).

Duggy747

That's exactly it! Unfortunately though our hands are tied and there's fúck all we can do down to our own laws.........................laws that the Roma's should've have known (and probably have known before they came). And now through emotional blackmail they are looking to be plonked with cash, which they will eventually get from bleeding hearts charities!

Agamemnon

flogen wrote:

Here are the facts of this case:
These Roma are, as members of the EU, free to travel to Ireland and can stay here as long as they want.
They are not entitled to work because they do not have any work permits.
They are not entitled to claim asylum because they are from the EU.
They are not entitled to claim state welfare because they are here as tourists.
It is not illegal to beg, so they cannot be arrested for that.
Even if they could be and were deported as a result nothing can stop them from coming back to Ireland on the next flight.

Why did they come here in the first place if they knew they wouldn't get work permits or welfare? Because they saw a wealthy country where begging is legal and euro signs flashed up in their eyes.

skywalker

Duggy747 wrote:

Where do you think other Roma's live in this country, other roundabouts? We can't deport them because of EU law unless they broke the law.

Presumably its not exactly legal to just set up camp in a roundabout though? Its a danger to themselves and others at the very least. They can be moved on at least surely.

flogen

Duggy747 wrote:

That's the plain truth, the charities will help the close families reunite with their children eventually leading to adequete housing. Where do you think other Roma's live in this country, other roundabouts?

I don't know where the rest of them live but just because they're not at roundabouts doesn't mean they're living comfortably.

We can't deport them because of EU law unless they broke the law. They knew that coming into this country they were not allowed work permits (unless self-employed) but yet they still came.

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't - it doesn't change the fact that they're here.

The men are sitting at the camps twiddling their thumbs waiting for cash to be plopped into their pockets. All around the country these Roma's are usually situated in pretty decent (usually 3 bedroom) semi-detached houses.

Can you back that up? If they "usually" get these decent houses, how come this huge family didn't?

This is one example the government should take care of carefully or else these people will whip out their mobiles and ring a cousin of a cousin of a brother's uncle to which we'll have more situations like this.

I agree - as far as I'm concerned their (the State and State bodies') tactics to date are fine. They're fulfilling their obligation of looking after children in potentially life-threatening situations but they're obeying Irish and EU law as regards the rest.

They travelled through several countries and the best they got is a roundabout at Ballymun? Which I find quite odd that they don't have a relative in the UK, somewhere else, or here. Though that could be a possibility to why they're here in the first place.

I don't really understand your point here. It's not so hard to believe that this is the best they could do, as finding a patch of land to set up camp is pretty much what comes naturally to a group of travelers like these.

The educational aspects of a Roma child are incredibly low here as a lot of times they are put into mental handicap schools.

I was under the impression that they were often left out of the educational system all together. How they would be put into "metal handicap schools" boggles my mind.

In the end the children will be snapped up by the HSE for obvious reasons and then those at the roundabout (probably most) will then be looked after, I bet you anything on that.

By whom? The state, as you've said yourself, cannot do anything to help them and if Pavee Point etc. could afford to house them I'm pretty sure they would have done it already.

Charities are already giving them food and access to showers etc. and that's their business (and in many cases remit). If you don't like it, just mark them off your Christmas donations list.

Slow Motion

Maybe they thought the roundabout was magic !

Zebedi told them

flogen

agamemnon wrote:

Why did they come here in the first place if they knew they wouldn't get work permits or welfare? Because they saw a wealthy country where begging is legal and euro signs flashed up in their eyes.

Well you're assuming that they were well versed in Irish law, firstly.

So assuming that they knew they couldn't work and couldn't claim welfare, do you think they came here just to make a living from begging? Or do you think they expect the state to break or change the law?

lightening

If I was a mod I would lock this thread with Flogen getting the last word in, he is one of the only people speaking sense, one of the only people who seems to know something about what he is talking about, the rest of the kneejerk "Ireland for the Irish" Bull is tiring and repetitive.

Slow Motion

lightening wrote:

If I was a mod I would lock this thread with Flogen getting the last word in, he is one of the only people speaking sense, one of the only people who seems to know something about what he is talking about, the rest of the kneejerk "Ireland for the Irish" Bull is tiring and repetitive.

Fortunately your not ! Did you actually read the whole thread ? This is not about Ireland for the Irish, so less of the sweeping generalisations, it is about a specific group of people and a specific situation, maybe you should take your blinkers off and read it again (assuming you did the first time) !

TequilaMockingBird

Should I bring my Autistic child to Romainia or Bulgaria for treatment as we are all equal? Because there isn't enough money for her to be treated here. Fact.

Duggy747

flogen wrote:

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't - it doesn't change the fact that they're here.

Agreed, which is why the whole thing needs to carefully handled. Though I really can't see much of a difference of an outcome regardless.

flogen wrote:

Can you back that up? If they "usually" get these decent houses, how come this huge family didn't?

You answered that with the word "huge". There many big towns (on the very odd time small) to where they are situated (Longford, Blanchestown, until recently Roscommon, etc)

flogen wrote:

I don't really understand your point here. It's not so hard to believe that this is the best they could do, as finding a patch of land to set up camp is pretty much what comes naturally to a group of travelers like these.

It's not as if the east of Ireland is rare on the secluded part of land. Choosing an area by a roundabout is, in my opinion, very conspicious.

flogen wrote:

I was under the impression that they were often left out of the educational system all together. How they would be put into "metal handicap schools" boggles my mind.

That is, unfortunately for most of the children, the truth. The ones that are put into school are, at best, put into segregated schools and there has been the odd case of Roma children with no disabilities put into mental handicap schools.

Agamemnon

flogen wrote:

Well you're assuming that they were well versed in Irish law, firstly.

No, I'm assuming that anyone who decides to move to another country to make a living has sense enough to check if that is even possible. If they were so shocked to learn that they can't get work permits when they got here, why don't they leave? Why don't they demand that the government fly them home?

So assuming that they knew they couldn't work and couldn't claim welfare, do you think they came here just to make a living from begging?

Many of them, yes.

lightening wrote:

If I was a mod I would lock this thread with Flogen getting the last word in, he is one of the only people speaking sense, one of the only people who seems to know something about what he is talking about, the rest of the kneejerk "Ireland for the Irish" Bull is tiring and repetitive.

"Ireland for the Irish" my eye. I believe that Ireland should be for anyone who wants to work for a living here. I believe Ireland should not be for freeloaders and scammers though.

flogen

skywalker wrote:

Presumably its not exactly legal to just set up camp in a roundabout though? Its a danger to themselves and others at the very least. They can be moved on at least surely.

That's an interesting point and from what I can see it's the only thing that they might be doing so far that's illegal.

That said, land laws in Ireland are very odd. I might be mistaken, but I think there's a law that allows squatting on any open piece of land - that is any land that's not completely fenced off... as a result of this there have been cases where some have secretly knocked down fencing on a farm etc. and then squatted, claiming the law applied and asking to be bought off.

I'm not too familiar with this roundabout, as it's the kind of place you wouldn't really be studying as you drove by, but perhaps that's why they haven't been moved yet.

flogen

Duggy747 wrote:

You answered that with the word "huge". There many big towns (on the very odd time small) to where they are situated (Longford, Blanchestown, until recently Roscommon, etc)

That's hardly backing up your statement - and who's paying for these supposed houses anyway?

It's not as if the east of Ireland is rare on the secluded part of land. Choosing an area by a roundabout is, in my opinion, very conspicious.

Actually, it was closer to a stroke of genius IMO.

Most land in Ireland is owned by families, companies, farmers or is reserved for specific usage by the state (parks etc.). There is very little land in this country that has no designation and is not in the ownership of anyone in particular.

This roundabout is one such area of land. They're not going to have to deal with disgruntled owners trying to get them off their land, they're not going to have to deal with claims of them obstructing some function of the land and so there's far less motivation or reason for them to be moved.

That is, unfortunately for most of the children, the truth. The ones that are put into school are, at best, put into segregated schools and there has been the odd case of Roma children with no disabilities put into mental handicap schools.

In Ireland? Again, I'd like some proof of this.

agamemnon wrote:

No, I'm assuming that anyone who decides to move to another country to make a living has sense enough to check if that is even possible. If they were so shocked to learn that they can't get work permits when they got here, why don't they leave? Why don't they demand that the government fly them home?

Who says they were shocked to learn that they couldn't get permits?
Many Irish found themselves in the same situation before in America or Australia and they didn't leave for home.

As for their reasons for not leaving, they've already been stated - they figure that their life is better here in a roundabout in Dublin than it was in Romania.

Many of them, yes.

OK, so who's fault is it that they can do this? I find it hard to exclusively blame someone exploiting a legal loophole; they're just making the most of someone else's mistake for their own personal benefit.

sueme wrote:

Should I bring my Autistic child to Romainia or Bulgaria for treatment as we are all equal? Because there isn't enough money for her to be treated here. Fact.

There is enough money for her to be treated here, it's just that the Government isn't using it properly.
There is no trade off between looking after Irish people and looking after asylum seekers, or in this case the children of "tourists". Given that Ireland has everything it needs to set up a comprehensive, national network of ABA facilities do you really think that's it's the Romanian's and Bulgarian's fault that this hasn't been implemented? Do you think that, in an ideal world where there was no need for asylum, Ireland would have a better healthcare of education system?

lightening

Slow Motion wrote:

Did you actually read the whole thread ? This is not about Ireland for the Irish, so less of the sweeping generalisations, it is about a specific group of people and a specific situation, maybe you should take your blinkers off and read it again (assuming you did the first time) !

Yep... just did, maintain my position, 100% I'm right.

Agamemnon

flogen wrote:

Who says they were shocked to learn that they couldn't get permits?
Many Irish found themselves in the same situation before in America or Australia and they didn't leave for home.

They didn't all start squatting on roundabouts and sending their kids to beg aggressively on the streets. Most of them found proper jobs.

TequilaMockingBird

Quote: Given that Ireland has everything it needs to set up a comprehensive, national network of ABA facilities do you really think that's it's the Romanian's and Bulgarian's fault that this hasn't been implemented? End Quote.


No.

Papad

lightening wrote:

Yep... just did, maintain my position, 100% I'm right.

So you made your initial comment without reading the whole thread.
'Nuff said (as they say).

flogen

agamemnon wrote:

They didn't all start squatting on roundabouts and sending their kids to beg aggressively on the streets. Most of them found proper jobs.

That's true, some of them became gangsters too.

My point isn't what job (or otherwise) they took up while in the country, my point is that a lack of a work permit or legal status has never been a roadblock for those looking to make money in a country they emigrated to.

Kinetic^

ambman wrote:

every single one of them should be put on the boat and shipped out of here ASAP.

Wouldn't it be better if we had a fight to the death between all of them........and the winner was the victim in a public stoning

Terry

Kenny 5 wrote:

Wouldn't it be better if we had a fight to the death between all of them........and the winner was the victim in a public stoning

Wouldn't it be better if we didn't have comments like that?

Deliverance

Terry wrote:

Wouldn't it be better if we didn't have comments like that?

I have to agree with you there. I have read this whole thread and certain points are very good and informative towards the general discussion. Unfortunately comments like you mentioned are inevitable, not necessarily idiots but it is a close call between the uninformed, the immature, and those with a very misplaced humour and the rest. I guess it all makes up for the situation in the first place.

A multicultural Ireland is still in development, I suspect that the Irish nature is a good one and eventually folks that come here no matter where they are from, will in time be allowed on 'merit' be allowed to integrate and make a life for their kids.

I have seen a lot of Irish folks who are far worse and dangerous than many imigrants, so to me it is about individuals rather than race, cultures are a wholly different story and harder to deal with in an obvious visual sense at least. Tis easy to single out folks on a cultural basis, the assholes that live around me have it easy and are harder to point out because they are Irish and they are priveliged by the way that they can be assholes without the risk of being singled out by predjudice.
They are at best territorial by nature and if given the chance will take over an area, and indeed from what I have seen they are experts in doing so (working the system) So maybe this thread should be more about an attitude which exists and is made possible by anyone 'foreign' or otherwise. A social issue perhaps, rather than a racial one?

Awful Scut

flogen wrote:

That's true, some of them became gangsters too.

My point isn't what job (or otherwise) they took up while in the country, my point is that a lack of a work permit or legal status has never been a roadblock for those looking to make money in a country they emigrated to.

Should the argument not be about how they make their money as opposed to nitpicking about work permits? i.e. honestly, through working (whether illegally or not) or dishonestly, through begging. They don't have a work permit, that's the way it is. I have yet to see any other citizens from new EU states arriving here and expecting handouts, which is quite clearly what the M50 squatters are doing.

Certain individuals on this board seem more concerned with pretending that this particular group of Roma are not doing anything wrong ("they're only exploiting a loophole someone was foolish enough to leave open, man") and tarring those who do complain as racists (step forward lightening) than actually conceding that this lot should be sent packing. And by sent packing, I mean moved on from this roundabout like any other bunch of miscreants who have chosen to squat in a place which places both them and the drivers of passing traffic at risk.

I sincerely hope that the HSE and other assorted bodies continue to avoid giving in to this emotional blackmail. Objecting to patently obvious scammers like this does not one a racist make.

Deliverance

Awful Scut wrote:

Should the argument not be about how they make their money as opposed to nitpicking about work permits? i.e. honestly, through working (whether illegally or not) or dishonestly, through begging. They don't have a work permit, that's the way it is. I have yet to see any other citizens from new EU states arriving here and expecting handouts, which is quite clearly what the M50 squatters are doing.

Certain individuals on this board seem more concerned with pretending that this particular group of Roma are not doing anything wrong ("they're only exploiting a loophole someone was foolish enough to leave open, man") and tarring those who do complain as racists (step forward lightening) than actually conceding that this lot should be sent packing. And by sent packing, I mean moved on from this roundabout like any other bunch of miscreants who have chosen to squat in a place which places both them and the drivers of passing traffic at risk.

I sincerely hope that the HSE and other assorted bodies continue to avoid giving in to this emotional blackmail. Objecting to patently obvious scammers like this does not one a racist make.

'A little knowlege is a dangerous thing'

flogen

Awful Scut wrote:

Should the argument not be about how they make their money as opposed to nitpicking about work permits? i.e. honestly, through working (whether illegally or not) or dishonestly, through begging. They don't have a work permit, that's the way it is.

I don't see how begging is any more dishonest than black market labour.
Theft or deception is dishonest, but begging does not necessarily involve either of these things.

I have yet to see any other citizens from new EU states arriving here and expecting handouts, which is quite clearly what the M50 squatters are doing.

That's your assumption and I might be wrong, but citizens of the EU25 can come here and claim the dole (or theoretically could, anyway).

Certain individuals on this board seem more concerned with pretending that this particular group of Roma are not doing anything wrong ("they're only exploiting a loophole someone was foolish enough to leave open, man") and tarring those who do complain as racists (step forward lightening) than actually conceding that this lot should be sent packing.

Are you talking about a moral wrong, a social wrong or a litigious wrong?
I wouldn't for a second assume that these people are decent, honest and trustworthy - I'm just not willing to assume that they're the opposite either.

The bottom line is that they are in a legal blackhole* and are happy to stay in it - until they break a law there's nothing the State can do about it.

I don't think there's anything automatically racist about calling for their deportation either, I'm just pointing out that the State can't do it at the moment, and it's not the Romani's fault.

I sincerely hope that the HSE and other assorted bodies continue to avoid giving in to this emotional blackmail. Objecting to patently obvious scammers like this does not one a racist make.

Patently obvious is a bit of a jump - perhaps you can explain the scam they're partaking in?

* According to Friday's Irish Times they could be deported under a law which says that Romanians and Bulgarians can only stay as "tourists" in Ireland for three months and can be deported if they are not employed, self-employed, studying of capable of being self-sufficient. I was under the impression that there was some kind of time limit on staying as tourists, but didn't know the exact details.

meglome

The attitude of all the Roma I've come across in this country and in Romania stinks. The vast majority do not even attempt to work they only beg and/or steal. All we need to do is not allow them to beg and suddenly Ireland wouldn't seem so attractive.

Louth4sam

flogen wrote:

There is no trade off between looking after Irish people and looking after asylum seekers

I'm afraid there is, the North east health board spends €2.5million each year housing refugees. At the same time the North east health board is downgrading hospitals in the area. I as an Irish citizen would like to see money spent on Irish citizens and any surplice could be spent on housing these so called refugees. There is no war in Romania or Nigeria but we continue to house refugees from these areas. Dont get me wrong im all for someone trying to better their lives and id like to see the government hand out conditional* work permits. The more hand outs we give the more "refugees" will flock to our shores to exploit paddy the irish man. I really hate these do-gooders that come on with their open door policies. You can bet your life these are well off people that don't have any of them living beside them.

*Condition that employment must got within the first month of arrival.

Terry

There may not be a war in either of the countries you mentioned, but some of the people arriving on our shores from these places are victims of racial abuse in their own countries.
Think Northern Ireland in the first half of the 20th century.

However, This particular group of Roma did not come directly from Romania.
The spent many years in other countries before coming here.

Degsy

Terry wrote:

There may not be a war in either of the countries you mentioned, but some of the people arriving on our shores from these places are victims of racial abuse in their own countries.

Racial abuse?In Nigeria??Do nigerians call other nigerians **** or something?What do Roma gypsies get called in Romania thats so terrible?I think you're grasping at straws here.If they flee "racial abuse" in the country they were born in what makes them think it'll be any better in acountry they werent born in??

Collie D

Absolutely no idea why I looked in here. Can we get a Roma forum please? Degsy can be mod.