Macau Festival

LARDO

i heard there was a guy micheal douglas thrown out of the macau at the last festival having bought into an event and the managment refused to refund his buyin, anyone know if this is true?

He was throw out for objecting to some tourney ruling. Maybe SLIM might be
able to shed some light on this?

LARDDY

yopnailbrush

Why would you expect him to get his money back if he got removed from the tournament??

I don't know what you are talking about

BigCityBanker

There is an extensive thread on this forum about it if you search hard enough.

kakak1

LARDO wrote:

i heard there was a guy micheal douglas thrown out of the macau at the last festival having bought into an event and the managment refused to refund his buyin, anyone know if this is true?

He was throw out for objecting to some tourney ruling. Maybe SLIM might be
able to shed some light on this?

LARDDY

Lardo,

Have you a bid in for the Macau, you have few posts on this forum but 90% + must be in relation to the Macau

carfax

Was down in Killarney (edit; last weekend) and was worried by the amount of people that had been barred from the Macau......I think the OP is a fair question to ask, tbh, and I know Michael O'Sullivan (he's an absolute gent) and can't believe he was barred (no matter what it was for).....

However, I'm sure the Macau will put on a cracking festival but they don't seem to be willing to answer questions on this forum even though they avail of the advertising......

bops

michael barred??

lol that's just funny!!

you gotta be takin the piss

carfax

bops wrote:

michael barred??

lol that's just funny!!

you gotta be takin the piss

There were a couple of others in Killarney this weekend......(not that they were going on about it but it was a bit of a running joke to ask anyone from Cork if they were still allowed into the Macau).......that I couldn't believe were barred, including one random punter who knew nothing of anyone else getting barred and said ' ah well maybe I put my self across a bit wrong when asking the management about money going missing from my Betfair account but the manager was talking to me like I was an idiot '......

Come on Macau, this can't be good for Irish poker.....Time to kiss and make up with whomever management had fallings out with and get things back on track......imho......

By the way I'm really not trying to get involved in business that is not my own as I live in Dublin but if I was to be barred from the Macau or any other casino I hope that other poker players would ask questions.....After all poker is something that a lot of people rely on as part of or all of their income.

ocallagh

I've only been to the Macau once, for their Christmas festival last year. It was very well run and I would definitely go back, however I have to agree with Stephen. Too many people are banned from the place now and it's starting to have an effect on the poker community in cork

Solksjaer

It's their business though really. Surely Cork (seen as they claim it should be the capital- lol) can offer up some competition to the Macau. It's competiton that breeds quality of service.

I was barred from a pub in Cork once because me and my company were laughing too loudly. (one of the girls with us was a hyena) This is completely true.
It's not the bleedin phoenix park like, (I was told, so I was). I've never been barred anywhere in my life apart from here. What is wrong with Cork people?

Caboose

Solksjaer wrote:

What is wrong with Cork people?

In fairness there's nothing wrong with Cork people. Dont judge all of us on just one person. We just have a massive chip on our shoulder. Anyhoo its not just players who are barred from the Macau.

I do agree with the post of another Club needed in Cork and would support anyone who does open up. Cmon the Rebel Club.

:eek:

DopeyLocks

Im a member of the macau banned list, and to be honest so many people feel so badly treated in there that they would never dream of setting foot back in there . myself included.

On tournament weekends the management don't adopt their usual abusive and aggressive attitude so people get a false impression ala BIGSLICK and nicnic whom post positive stuff about the club but of course only spend 12 hours a year in there.

Here are the simple objective facts not opinions about the club :

more people have been banned/alienated from the club than any other club
all the big cork cash game players play in Dublin
the turnover/firing of staff is extraordinary
the cash game rake in extortionate
the manager regularly screams and roars at punters

Anyone wishing to verify any of this info can check it out with the longer term cash game players, most guys posting here play once a week or go in there for the sandwiches!

The only way the poker scene will take off again is when a new club opens or the macau purge the current management.

Wait for it!

Dopey

Captain Tom

DopeyLocks wrote:

the manager regularly screams and roars at punters

this is a blatant lie.

DopeyLocks wrote:

Anyone wishing to verify any of this info can check it out with the longer term cash game players

feel free to do so.

DopeyLocks

You are entitled to your opinion Tom, but how often do u go to the macau??

I mean have u even qualified for the Super League? For anyone reading this thread and player who does not qualify for the league in not in the top most 100
regular players. Its you whom are lying Tom!

When you start going to the club more than 10 hours a month you can start making your accusations!

Why dont u address the statements i made about the running of the club?

Dopey

Captain Tom

admittedly i havent been in the macau regularly in the last 7 or 8 months but any time i have the atmosphere and treatment of customers hasnt been a problem.

im not in a positon to comment on the rake or the number of people barred relative to other clubs as most of my experience playing poker outside the macau has been in hotels.what i will say is that at the irish open last year i overheard a conversation from 2 players claiming barring was becoming more and more prevalent in dublin too.

as regards turnover of staff a high % of the staff are young or in college and only have plans to stay there in the short term anyway.there have been disagreements between management and staff within the last year but i imagine this is quite normal in any casino around the country.

i dont know why some of the bigger cash game players in cork travel to dublin.you'll have mto ask them.

sitout

the managment can go on the odd power trip ! but less so since gavin and bob have been barred those two really thought they owned the place waltzing in and slagging everyone from the fish(always a bad idea), to the pretty min wage waitress who still servers a table of nine tired grumpy men as plesently at 4am as she did at 9 pm. i have a funny fealing most of the people on this tread are the very people who are themselves bared. i play in there very often im in the top hunderd in the leauge so i suppose my point is valid to certain people on here who claim otherwise!
as for the rake question if its do expensive go online!
as for a new club being opened up it will never happen the macau is an established venue now and unfortunatly cork is to small! id love it personally, variety is the spice of life and all , but i cant see it . so il keep enjoying going into my home town club and playing the fab tourneys they provide and now that gav and bob are gone il be able to do it in peace!

DopeyLocks

i think ur in the wrong thread sitout mate? We are talking about how badly the club is run not any individual.

Try and pay attention and stop wasting our time will u?

Dopey

Captain Tom

sitout wrote:

and now that gav and bob are gone il be able to do it in peace!

for what its worth,i always liked and respected bob and gavin and think its a shame that they dont play in macau anymore.

mdwexford

agreed, Bob is an upstanding citizen of the poker community

nicnicnic

DopeyLocks wrote:

On tournament weekends the management don't adopt their usual abusive and aggressive attitude so people get a false impression ala BIGSLICK and nicnic whom post positive stuff about the club but of course only spend 12 hours a year in there.


Dopey

your right I probably hit the place about once a month. I have friends on both sides of the fence here but can only speak from my subjective experience of the place and I have always been treated very well.


btw the grub in the new resturant there is deadly I recommend the prawn kung po

BIG-SLICK-POKER

nicnicnic wrote:

your right I probably hit the place about once a month. I have friends on both sides of the fence here but can only speak from my subjective experience of the place and I have always been treated very well.


btw the grub in the new resturant there is deadly I recommend the prawn kung po

Same as Nicky Here .. Ive never had a problem and Both Gavin And Bob are good friends of mine as are Pat and a few others on the other side , But all my experiences have been good down there , But the last time for the main event was made by characters like Bob And Gavin ... We will miss the Craic from the lads down there

Neill

BIG-SLICK-POKER

sitout wrote:

the managment can go on the odd power trip ! but less so since gavin and bob have been barred those two really thought they owned the place waltzing in and slagging everyone from the fish(always a bad idea), to the pretty min wage waitress who still servers a table of nine tired grumpy men as plesently at 4am as she did at 9 pm. i have a funny fealing most of the people on this tread are the very people who are themselves bared. i play in there very often im in the top hunderd in the leauge so i suppose my point is valid to certain people on here who claim otherwise!
as for the rake question if its do expensive go online!
as for a new club being opened up it will never happen the macau is an established venue now and unfortunatly cork is to small! id love it personally, variety is the spice of life and all , but i cant see it . so il keep enjoying going into my home town club and playing the fab tourneys they provide and now that gav and bob are gone il be able to do it in peace!

To be Honest i have played with these Guys everywhere and they are not only good for the game but pure gentlemen and Personal Friends i have met through Poker....

Neill K

sitout

To be Honest i have played with these Guys everywhere and they are not only good for the game but pure gentlemen and Personal Friends i have met through Poker....

Im not saying these two guys are not without their friends in the game, what i always objected to was the way they mocked and jeered other players for their play (i can think of numerous examples), indirectly insulted anyone who was not in their "click", floated in late at night langers and more , disrupted fun and enjoyable games for many social players and crudely made totally unessacary comments to the underpaid waitresses. yes i agree they brought some colour to the place particulary bob, however poker is all about etiquet and they themselves would be up in arms if they were slowrolled for example, yet have no problem making snide remarks on a female players breasts at the table. thats just as bad as far as im concerned. also the managment gave theses two plenty of warnings . are they missed? maybe they are by the 200 monthly freeze out gang from waterford and the remaining members of their click, but thats all id say . is the club better without them? well there are more cash games now than ever and the new sat and sun tourneys get upwards of 60\80 players week in week out! maybe if these guys came back with their tail between their legs and offered a sincere apology ken might give them a chance (another chance), but i doubt it ,their image would never allow them to reform their arrogance. still they can comfort themselves with all their "poker friends" !

SpermManJelly

Im from Cork but like Nicky and Neil I'd be on both sides of the fence being that I still enjoy going to the macau to this day be it for cash games or tournaments but I also feel characters like Gavin and SideShow are missed.Some of the funniest and best laughs Ive had in the games was in their presence.

To be honest SitOut from your posts it seems your trying to be objective but the undertone of a grudge is obvious.You are making some valid points about numbers but theres no need for this personal bitching session.

sitout

spermman,im a woman who enjoys a game of cards !
i dont want to be insulted when i sit down at the table is my euro worth less than anyone eles? i feal i have the right to state my opinion and just because it does not fit in with most of the posters on this site it is still a valid one . yes i agree poker is a male dominated sport and im fully aware of this evertime i enter the door at the macau, what i object to is being ridiculed for how i look and what i wear . im sure i hold a small grudge you may be right there ,but if the shoe was on the other foot and someone was consistently making disparging remarks obout the size of your noes or another part of your anatomy are you saying you could consistantily turn the other cheek! now i also know before some one comes on here stating all is fair in love and war, that the poker table is a war zone that this might have been a ploy on their behalf to put me on tilt. perhaps! however there is a place called stop! and where do you draw the line . the funny thing here is i only ever played with these two guys 5/6 times they probally dont know me but every time i did i always left the place bitter (even when i won some money), so yes maybe im bitter but i dont just speake for myself the macau has hundreds of members and most people on boards that i can see seem to know each other and are "poker friends" , what about the rest of us . im stating my opinion which is the flip side to most of the rest of yers . they did not get barred for nothing lads now did they

sitout

spermman,im a woman who enjoys a game of cards !
i dont want to be insulted when i sit down at the table is my euro worth less than anyone eles? i feal i have the right to state my opinion and just because it does not fit in with most of the posters on this site it is still a valid one . yes i agree poker is a male dominated sport and im fully aware of this evertime i enter the door at the macau, what i object to is being ridiculed for how i look and what i wear . im sure i hold a small grudge you may be right there ,but if the shoe was on the other foot and someone was consistently making disparging remarks obout the size of your noes or another part of your anatomy are you saying you could consistantily turn the other cheek! now i also know before some one comes on here stating all is fair in love and war, that the poker table is a war zone that this might have been a ploy on their behalf to put me on tilt. perhaps! however there is a place called stop! and where do you draw the line . the funny thing here is i only ever played with these two guys 5/6 times they probally dont know me but every time i did i always left the place bitter (even when i won some money), so yes maybe im bitter but i dont just speake for myself the macau has hundreds of members and most people on boards that i can see seem to know each other and are "poker friends" , what about the rest of us . im stating my opinion which is the flip side to most of the rest of yers . they did not get barred for nothing lads now did they

DopeyLocks

connie i didnt realize you had a sex change! By the way you have posted the same content twice.

By the way as etiquette is a concern of yours the boardsters here have a convention, that is when you name criticize/mock individuals directly you are expected to name yourself, maybe the reason you have not been extended any courtesy in the past is because you are a sneak? and are happy to name and defame others while maintaining you anonymity!

Try not to be a sneak all your life man?

Dopey

connie147

I have to say that I have played poker many times with Sideshow and Gavin, and never once did I ever hear them abuse a fellow player. I think sitout theres something here your not telling us.

I dont know the wrongs and rights of these barrings in the Maccau, But I wsh someone could broker a peace deal. Im sure its best for all concerned(including the Maccau) that a way is found to bring this situation to an end.

DopeyLocks

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hello!
last summer while on holiday i asked the love of my life to marry me and to my shock and joy she said yes! she is a stunning girl about 56" and 8 stone ish. what the problem i here ye all ask! well its me you see i a little taller 57 and a half but almost 14 stone (im so emmbarresed). my so called friends are always slagging me and as im generally the jovial type i laugh along,as i dont have much come back now do i? my diet is not the best breakfeast roll most days for brekkie, maybe a sambo for lunch with crisps and a choc bar (i love moros), in the evening i fight the and mostly lose the battle of the chipper and all this is repeted the following day, with the same! help i need help

your stupidity amazes me situout, cover your tracks man!

PS : same sex marriages are not aloud in this country , i love moros too
loooooooooooooooool

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Dopey

bops

nice work detective dopey

...and the plot thickens!!

dougee19

DopeyLocks wrote:

You are entitled to your opinion Tom, but how often do u go to the macau??

I mean have u even qualified for the Super League? For anyone reading this thread and player who does not qualify for the league in not in the top most 100
regular players. Its you whom are lying Tom!

When you start going to the club more than 10 hours a month you can start making your accusations!

Why dont u address the statements i made about the running of the club?

Dopey

okay, i somehow am the person who this is started about, and i swear on my life i dont know who wrote that first message because i know for a fact that people are going to think it was me, the only reason i checked this is because it said that the__prof had posted last and i checked it out.... i never ever check this forum

and now to the issue in hand, yes i was barred from the macau and not refunded, it was really weird but i said all i had to say about it in another topic, you should be able to find it by searching my username....
and bops, do you know me???? hehe

and in relation to dopey's comment, i have qualified for the top 100 tournament in the summer, and i must say, even though they barred me the macau is a good casino, they just really dont act well to criticism and they over react a lot.... thats just my own ipinion


the turnover/firing of staff is extraordinary----agreed

the cash game rake in extortionate--- i must say this totally depends on the dealers in there, well back when i used to go there, i got raked €1 in a €4 pot before(i swear on my life) and so did one of my friend(i swear again) and then with other dealers they just follow the hourly rate and leave it at that....

the manager regularly screams and roars at punters---in my time in there was not a regular occurance of screaming.... i dont think any casino anywhere would have this, if they have then there wouldnt be many people going there, no matter how well it is run



"agreed, Bob is an upstanding citizen of the poker community"- hehe, i wont say anything bad about you this time bob, :P

DopeyLocks

How do u know if an elephant has been in your fridge?

There are foot prints in the butter!

Dopey

dougee19

sitout wrote:

Im not saying these two guys are not without their friends in the game, what i always objected to was the way they mocked and jeered other players for their play (i can think of numerous examples),

yeah ive gotten that quite a bit, lol. but it was in good humour and i'd like to think i handled it okay, apart from the time i hit sideshow :rolleyes:

dougee19

sitout wrote:

they did not get barred for nothing lads now did they

well......
im still not too sure why i did.... being too cheeky isnt an official reason in my eyes

Flipper

DopeyLocks wrote:

How do u know if an elephant has been in your fridge?

There are foot prints in the butter!

Dopey

And mayo in the potatoes apparently

Sirtoyou

As a regular macau punter cash and tourneys i have to defend it as being a safe controlled environment to play.what more can u ask?
personally ive never been treated with anything but respect and courtesy since going there as a newbie two years ago.
i dont know the full details of sideshows and gavins barrings but macau is a poorer place without them.ive never seen sideshow personally insult anyone
or disrespect "ladies" at the tables.a major part of his game is trying to put players on tilt and its enjoyable to watch but not everyone understands this or likes it.
as for gavin as a new player in macau i found him to be one of the friendliest
and most approachable players for advice etc.

Sir

carfax

connie147 wrote:

I dont know the wrongs and rights of these barrings in the Maccau, But I wsh someone could broker a peace deal. Im sure its best for all concerned(including the Maccau) that a way is found to bring this situation to an end.

Agree with that 100%.........

BIG-SLICK-POKER

carfax wrote:

Agree with that 100%.........

ditto

Flipper

ok, I've remained silent during this "debate" until now but I feel I should give my two cents as a player that has been going there for years and as someone whose opinions are as valid as anyone elses.

LARDO, I still haven't worked out who you are but to answer your question the link to the thread about Michael Douglas being barred is here - but it does not paint the club in the best light so to speak. I know very little about the subject so I'll remain quiet.

I'm aware Ken is reading these posts and Ken being Ken, is taking them seriously and to heart. Ken, you run a business whose primary customers (on the poker side) are grumpy, arrogant and hard to please but are for the most part, intellegent people. Some of them give you grief and a hard time on here (sometimes justified and sometimes not) but for the most part, you should try to take them seriously and as constructive criticism. If you are going to do the "poor me" routine, I'll point you to this thread where the Merrion got a flaming. All I will say is that poker is a developed game in Dublin (must be around 20 years) and is only getting going in Cork over the last year or two. I just hope you open your eyes to some of the proplems staring you in the face and be less concerned about what personalities you let in games.

DopeyLocks, while I agree with some of your points, I think you are being a tad harsh. Personally, i think the Macau has two faults:
1: The dealers are often of a poor standard
2: I do feel the cash game rake is exceptionally high.

I can't really offer a solution for the first one but as for the second, I've always felt that the rake in clubs like The Vic in London is very honest as it is collected from players every half hour. It also has a personal touch of a manager calling around and plesantly asking each player for the rake individually. When I came to the Macau the other night, I questioned you about the rake and got a fairly snappy answer: "what do you pay online?". Well, I pay $2 a pot (35% of which I get back in lump sums) online. This is significantly smaller than the €7 (€6 rake + €1 league) from every pot. While this is not why I left that night, it certainly didn't encourage me to stay. You did say that the dealers "slow down" the rake as the hour approaches but I already question their ability to deal the cards, not to mention the complex procedure of controlling the flow of the rake. Personally, I think that €7 per hand is very high and you can't compare it to the likes of the rake at the EPT or Irish Open as they are exceptions. This is something that needs to be looked at IMO. Sitout is right when he says that the management can go on the odd power trip and the line "if you don't like it, there's the door" is not an acceptible argument in any case. This is ALL CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM

On the plus side, the Macau are always friendly towards me and I find it to be very plesant surroundings with a comfortable atmosphere. Rarely have I had a confrontation in there and any that I have had, have been resolved quickly. Their tournaments are some of the best in the country and I advise anyone who has yet to come down to get a ticket for the Main Event in the Summer before they're all gone. Finally Ken, I think you should look at employing some sort of "poker ambassador" to develop the game further. I'm not putting myself forward for the job but someone who knows players from all over the country and from abroad could do wonders by attracting new interest to the club. You don't need to micro-manage this stuff yourself. Pay someone else to do it.

Sitout (Connie), while I think it's hilarious that you've been "outed" like this, I think verbally attacking Gavin and Bob on here is petty and uncalled for. I've been subject to attacks her myself and I have found that people are very brave sitting behind a keyboard where no one knows their identity. We all think more of people who speak up for what they believe in.

sitout

i love this site.

sitout

i have an idea ! have a tourny for all the barred former members.1st gets left back in 2nd a mixed box of usa biscuits and third a ticked to the next event of its kind!
SIOBHAN(lol)

Flipper

sitout wrote:

i have an idea ! have a tourny for all the barred former members.1st gets left back in 2nd a mixed box of usa biscuits and third a ticked to the next event of its kind!
SIOBHAN(lol)

4th place gets a moro??

LARDO

ok as i started this highly entertaining ball rolling i think its now up to me to make a contribution, so pay close attention.

Having considered all the contribution thus far i think its clear we need to discuss the dinosaur! Its obvious isn't it........

Lets begin and bear in mind this lesson is aimed all those card room managers out there and maybe those loosing the battle of the chipper!
and indeed maybe some of you out there tick all of the above boxes!!!!

A dinosaur was a very large animal who lived in prehistoric times. The dinosaur basically had the jungle all to himself , ****ting all over the place and eating any small creatures who dared get in his way. All was well for a long while and the dinosaur was content gouging himself on food , ****ting all over the place and kicking the life out of the less important animals, his sharp teeth and huge girth allowed him to live as he wished.

The dinosaur had a problem though , and this was it, he had a huge body and a pea sized brain! The more he eat ,and boy he did not stop eating! the worse the ratio of the size of his brain to the size of his body! Eventually of course as we all know he became extinct, the poor old fellow!

LARDO

The Sheriff 101

Is sitout connie the accountant?

tipp86

Just to back up flippers point about the standard of dealing in the macau,i was sitting at the cash game last week when in one hand there was a pre flop raise and a call and the dealer then went on to deal out all five cards as if it was an all in situation.I find this a joke in one of the top card rooms in ireland as that one hand could have been the difference between a winning night and a losing night for a player.I heard there getting a self dealt table down there maybe not such a bad idea!!!

BigCityBanker

I have to say I am seriously concerned about stories of poor dealers in the Macau. Bad dealing is one of the only things thats tilts me - 1500 could be badly spent if i get a crap dealer at my table.

FungiWalsh

BigCityBanker wrote:

I have to say I am seriously concerned about stories of poor dealers in the Macau. Bad dealing is one of the only things thats tilts me - 1500 could be badly spent if i get a crap dealer at my table.

This seems to mainly be because of the high amount of dealers going in and out of the place in recent months. But it's probably more of a problem in cash games, with them having to deal with rake and tips and all that. The only problem I've seen in tournaments is sorting out the various pots in multiway all-ins. That tends to only happen in the small tourneys though, for obvious reasons, so shouldn't be that much of a concern in the main event there.

Don't worry, it's not quite as bad as the dealer having to ask "So I burn a card now, yeah?"

Phil-Dublin

with the amount of banned players from this club, its a wonder they get a turnout at all

will i be banned now for saying this??

go on, please ban me from the Macau, you havent made it until you get banned from there

isnt that right sideshow?

dougee19

FungiWalsh wrote:

Don't worry, it's not quite as bad as the dealer having to ask "So I burn a card now, yeah?"

i honestly was asked that at more than one occasion in the macau
good old max when he was starting dealing omaha.... lol

and lardo, i pm'ed you asking who you are, since you know about my story, tell me who you are at least


and i want that f***ing moro!!!!

sitout

Have just been in the macau to put some cash into my betfair account(what a waste). While there i met finbar junior and he showed me there new cash came simulator, it seats six players and the is no dealer it works very much as online .This will no doubt speed the game up, get rid of dealer mistakes completly and save money for the player too as, there is no tipping!the day of the dealer is comming to an end ! The rake however is still the same which is a pity as there will no doubt be far more hands played per hour on this machine than a dealer delt game.Still maybe they might adjust it accordingly in the fairness of all .

dougee19

yeah i was told about that ages back, graham the old dealer was telling me about it, or ken himself, cant remember
friend was in there and told me about it a few days back,
i guess they finally have a way around the bad dealer situation, but i dont think i like or trust the whole computerised thing, just a personal opinion

corblimey

I for one would like to applaud the Macau for barring Sideshow, as I was one of the people he roundly abused on several occasions. I had to stop going to all but the cheapest buy-ins just to avoid him (and of course then he'd come in for the cash games late at night, full of drink and doing his "high-larious" chinese accent). I gave up live poker for about 2 months because of him and was delighted when I heard he'd been barred. Hope he never comes back (which, if the rumours of him opening his own club are true, should be the case).

Yes, the dealers are pretty poor in the Macau, and side pots are normally a bit of a 'mare, but as someone said upthread, they're mostly part-timers, coming in for a few weeks. If they stick the anti social hours and the heckling from players and management, they become pretty good pretty quickly.

And the new food menu rocks, especially the ice cream