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good fortune tellers cork

  • 23-04-2007 12:37pm
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    :) hi just wondering if anyone knows of any good fortune tellers in or around cork. really appreciate it as i have gone to a couple in the past and they have been useless!:) :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Heisenberg.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭cee_jay


    The White Witch is supposed to be good!
    There is one called Gypsy Rose - avoid at all costs! She is in the north side somewhere


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭rymus


    I would have assumed that venturing deep into the northside to seek the services of a fortune teller would be ill advised no matter what. Hang around up in Hollyhil for long enough and you'll get your fortune told for a few cans of dutch gold and a spliff. (and the contents of your wallet and most likely your shoes, fillings, and the buttons on your shirt)...

    Go to yerwan in Cob-h


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 lolabelle


    Hi There,

    I've been to the White Witch in Cobh twice (2 years apart) and have found her really good. A lot of what she said the first time came true (even though I didn't want it to!!) And she basically said the exact same things to me the 2nd time round, with a little more info and a lot of what she said about other people in my life and what they are like was spot on! Will have to wait and see if everything else she said about my future comes true! She's very cheap (€20) and spends about an hour with you and is more than happy to answer any questions you have.

    I have her number so pm me if you want it!:)

    Cheers,
    Lolabelle


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 938 ✭✭✭chuci


    the white witch is meant to be the best. one of my friends went to her thought she was brill beware of waiting lists though i hear they are long. that one on the north side is some scam id say she has a nice big house and you have to pay her before she tells your fortune then she takes you through to her caravan in the back garden or something.yet again thats from another friend


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭Léan


    Don't know if the White Witch is all that she's cracked up to be. My sister went to her about two years ago or so and she told her a load of crap really.. She wasn't impressed at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 cluelessjewel


    I went to the White White about 5 years ago with a friend of mine. Although she picked up on me being in a long term relationship, she told me that I would have my first child at 27 and that it would be a boy. (I had a girl at 23 after this visit). She did pick up on my partner's job being something to do with bottles.. She said I'd settle by the water and I've just got a house on the corpo list nowhere near water and I presume I'll be there for years to come which indicates settling to me!

    My friend was single and she came away with a handful of numbers of seemingly eligible rich men and she was told to ring them. Seems a bit weird to me!

    I wasn't convinced, however my friend did go again with another friend of hers... She was about €20 back then too so it seems that she is not putting up her prices. Someone told me that a pack of cigarettes was adequate payment for her as she just loved sharing her gift but this did not seem to be the case, go armed with the cash!

    I went to Gypsy Kathleen in Blarney (in a caravan right next to the Castle) last year sometime and I thought a lot of what she said was good, even if they are making it up I was reassured and felt my money was well spent there unlike what I felt after seeing the White Witch. Another friend of mine visits Gypsy Kathleen regularly. She was about €40 I think, but she could have been cheaper.

    The Mind Body Spirit festival comes to the City Hall every March and September. Princess Diana's own personal spiritual advisor and her daughter are there every year and although the queues are long and they are quite pricy for their visits (€70-€100) they are supposedly THE fortune tellers to visit. Unfortunately every March and September I seem to be too broke to attend!!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,107 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    This is mean, I know, but...

    ...would you trust a fortune teller who didn't tell Diana something along the lines of "Today would be a *great* day to walk home"? Cos I wouldn't, especially not for €100!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 cluelessjewel


    Fysh wrote:
    This is mean, I know, but...

    ...would you trust a fortune teller who didn't tell Diana something along the lines of "Today would be a *great* day to walk home"? Cos I wouldn't, especially not for €100!

    LOL :)

    Seriously though, isn't it part of their ethics that they can't tell you anything bad that they may foresee??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭StandnDeliver


    there is a guy in youghal called drake he is suppose to be good,only answers phone on a monday after 5pm,havent been to him but ppl say he is good.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Heisenberg.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    :eek:

    It must come up in Google searches or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭Blitzkrieger


    Seriously though, isn't it part of their ethics that they can't tell you anything bad that they may foresee??

    Surely bad for repeat custom. I'd want to know if I was going to be hit by a bus tomorrow and I'd be pretty pissed off with a fortune teller who didn't tell me if I survived.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭Dizzyblabla


    The White Witch told me that I'd be married when I'm 28 - we'll see how that goes (I'm turning 28 in July, and single, so it will be a short engagement I guess!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭julesrtc


    I went to a girl in Cobh called Stephanie, i thought she was brilliant and loads of my friends went, she got all our personalities and families perfect. Told us a few things thats going to happen also that she couldnt have known about.

    I cannot get hold of her now, she used live in council house and i heard the tax man was after her but that could be rubbish, would love to get in contact with her again.

    Went to the white witch years ago and thought she was crap!!! Gave me a phone number of a wizard in UCC and to ring him!!!!!! Told me i was going to be famous, i have 3 stars on my hand, Marilyn Monroe had 5 stars!!! So watch this space!!!!!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭madgal


    lol just phone Victor Barry on Red fm on a monday night.
    They get a singing pysic from America - great for a laugh.

    But to be honest they're all talking through their ahem.
    They ask you do you want your fortune told... well it they can tell what your future holds - surely them wouldn't have to ask?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Mrs. MacGyver


    julesrtc wrote:
    I went to a girl in Cobh called Stephanie, i thought she was brilliant and loads of my friends went, she got all our personalities and families perfect. Told us a few things thats going to happen also that she couldnt have known about.

    I cannot get hold of her now, she used live in council house and i heard the tax man was after her but that could be rubbish, would love to get in contact with her again.

    Went to the white witch years ago and thought she was crap!!! Gave me a phone number of a wizard in UCC and to ring him!!!!!! Told me i was going to be famous, i have 3 stars on my hand, Marilyn Monroe had 5 stars!!! So watch this space!!!!!!!!!!


    Three neighbours of ours went there too and it was dead on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭Femelade


    That white which in cobh was on with NEeeiiiiiillll yesterday,. she said that little girl who was abducted in portugal will be found today..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭run_Forrest_run


    what is up with all U people. Why do ye want to go to some person who is only conning ye. Why would anyone want to go and have their fortune told...are they not happy with what ye have??

    How is it that fortune tellers only tell ye of good things or happy things? Do they ever tell U anything bad that will happen to you?

    The whole thing is a scam and anyone who goes to these hocus pocus fools are asking to be ripped off!

    Make your own fortune and guide your own life, if you want something to happen go out and make it happen. People (mainly chicks) who ask "Will I be married" need to cop on and make an effort to go out and meet people!

    phew :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭Femelade


    That was kinda pointless..anyhew..i guess you are entitled to your opinion, i went to that mind body and soul thing a few months back. it was freaky how much stuff she knew...i'll prob never go to one again though, i have it done now and out of my system.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭run_Forrest_run


    Femmy wrote:
    That was kinda pointless..anyhew..i guess you are entitled to your opinion...

    I presume you are on about my point? How is it pointless or more pointless than going to a stranger for them to read your tell tale signs and relay stories (some true but mainly untrue) back to you for a princely sum?

    Derren Brown conducted a good experiment in one of his shows; he wrote out a passage and handed a copy to each participant. Each person didn't know what the other had. After reading the passage each person was stunned, they said it revealed so much about them...of course the trick was that there was only one passage and each person had the same one! The outcome is we as humans will adapt things to suit our understanding if we really want to believe.

    Next time you are at one of these so called fortune tellers pay particular attention to the amount of things he/she gets wrong. Also pay attention to the amount of times they are vague and waiting for a prompt from yourself to guide them in their 'craft' :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 NorrieSean


    Femmy wrote:
    That was kinda pointless..anyhew..i guess you are entitled to your opinion, i went to that mind body and soul thing a few months back. it was freaky how much stuff she knew...i'll prob never go to one again though, i have it done now and out of my system.

    I had the same experience years back with a fortune teller in San Francisco. I was quite a bit younger and thought it kind of freaky. Later on, I realise what she was doing.

    It's called cold reading and it's really not hard to do. Some fortune tellers know what they are doing, others do it without realising, but in most cases it's just cold reading - not supernatural powers. Have a look here for details before you waste money on these people.

    http://skepdic.com/coldread.html

    Let me save you some money. Here's your fortune. This would be better in person since cold reading works best when it's interactive. Typically the cold reader will use a technique known as shot-gunning. Most guesses are wrong but the occasional one seems strangely accurate and that's what the customer remembers. Alternatively I can take the vague approach and rely on you to fill in the blanks for me. Anyway, here's your fortune.
    You have not always had it easy. Things are okay right now but you will have more difficult times ahead before you realise a goal that has been at the back of you mind for a long time. You have had to compromise when it comes to what you want, the real-world has a way of pushing the ideals in to the background.

    You are sometimes a bit confused or tired, this tends to pass though and you become have creative phases. I am getting a message through from the spirit world. An elderly relative, a man who worked with his hands, is watching over you. He regrets he didn't get to see you as an adult but he sees a lot of your mother in you.

    He remembers a birthday when you were unhappy and there wasn't anything he could do to help but he wants you to know that he understands.

    If you visit a fortune teller, consider the following.

    1) Bring a tape recorder. Record the session and listen to it afterwards. You may not realise it at the time but most of what they tell you will be incredibly vague and applicable to many people - like my example above.

    2) Don't volunteer information. If you are asking about a future job, don't tell them what you do now. Remember that you are paying them to tell you about yourself.

    3) Lie. Since they rely on you to provide them with the information, consider introducing fake information. Mediums are fun to toy with since you'd be surprised by the number of mediums who have successfully communicated with fictional ghosts. Most Haunted's Derek Acorah was totally exposed using this method. Unfortunately people still flock to him for his supernatural services.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭Femelade


    I presume you are on about my point? How is it pointless or more pointless than going to a stranger for them to read your tell tale signs and relay stories (some true but mainly untrue) back to you for a princely sum?

    what i meant by pointless was that it really wasnt helping the op with the original question...but like i said, each to their own and now i'm gone a bit off topic too..


    NorrieSean wrote:
    I had the same experience years back with a fortune teller in San Francisco. I was quite a bit younger and thought it kind of freaky. Later on, I realise what she was doing.

    It's called cold reading and it's really not hard to do. Some fortune tellers know what they are doing, others do it without realising, but in most cases it's just cold reading - not supernatural powers. Have a look here for details before you waste money on these people.

    http://skepdic.com/coldread.html


    Thats a fair point...i am fairly sceptical about them , i've been once and dont intend on going again, but when i said it was freaky abotu how much she knew it realy was freaky..of course there prob was soem of that cold reading "you've had a hard time" - who hasnt?
    But she said things like, you are going on hols but not a sun holiday, you are going away in the winter to somewhere cold with your partner (just booked a holiday to NY for december)
    She said i will recieve a gift or jewellery on this holiday (i'll get back to ye on that one)
    She said, i see a house - but its not built yet, its just at the very early planning stage and on family land that has been in the family for a long time (my boyfriend had just applied for planning 2 days before on his farm which his dad left to him)
    She said my boyfriends ex would become a problem , i had actually forgotten about that until now...at the time i didnt think much of it, it had been off with his ex since 2002, and they rarely spoke...but we did have a few weeks of drunken calls and txts from her recently and she told him she wanted to get back with him..thank god thats all over (like she said it would)..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 NorrieSean


    The thing is, we have an ability to find patterns in things - it's an evolutionary survival mechanism. We've all been taken in by people who seem to make a lot of sense at the time. The trick is to record the session.

    Once you're away from the fortune teller, listen to the tape you made and then note the number of times they were correct, but most importantly, not the number of misses they had.

    What you could do is record a transcript, show it to people and note how often they find that it applies to them also.

    Fortune tellers should be for fun, like fortune cookies and stage magicians. Once they claim to be something beyond that they become frauds or delusional.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 NorrieSean


    (Noticed a typo in my previous post. The change is underlined.)

    The thing is, we have an ability to find patterns in things - it's an evolutionary survival mechanism. We've all been taken in by people who seem to make a lot of sense at the time. The trick is to record the session.

    Once you're away from the fortune teller, listen to the tape you made and then note the number of times they were correct, but most importantly, note the number of misses they had.

    What you could do is record a transcript, show it to people and note how often they find that it applies to them also.

    Fortune tellers should be for fun, like fortune cookies and stage magicians. Once they claim to be something beyond that they become frauds or delusional.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 loose smoke


    julesrtc wrote: »
    I went to a girl in Cobh called Stephanie, i thought she was brilliant and loads of my friends went, she got all our personalities and families perfect. Told us a few things thats going to happen also that she couldnt have known about.

    I cannot get hold of her now, she used live in council house and i heard the tax man was after her but that could be rubbish, would love to get in contact with her again.

    Went to the white witch years ago and thought she was crap!!! Gave me a phone number of a wizard in UCC and to ring him!!!!!! Told me i was going to be famous, i have 3 stars on my hand, Marilyn Monroe had 5 stars!!! So watch this space!!!!!!!!!!

    hi can you send me stephanies no if you have it please


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    hi can you send me stephanies no if you have it please

    Don't worry about that, if she really is psychic then she will find you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 bucka


    COULD SOMEONE GIVE ME THE NUMBER OF THE WHITE WITCH IN COVE WOULD BE GREAT


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 bucka


    lolabelle wrote: »
    Hi There,

    I've been to the White Witch in Cobh twice (2 years apart) and have found her really good. A lot of what she said the first time came true (even though I didn't want it to!!) And she basically said the exact same things to me the 2nd time round, with a little more info and a lot of what she said about other people in my life and what they are like was spot on! Will have to wait and see if everything else she said about my future comes true! She's very cheap (€20) and spends about an hour with you and is more than happy to answer any questions you have.

    I have her number so pm me if you want it!:)

    Cheers,
    Lolabelle
    COULD YOU PLEASE SEND ME ON THE NUMBER OF THE WHITE WITCH WULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭Kold


    Sure I'll lie to you for money.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭tricialou


    :) hi just wondering if anyone knows of any good fortune tellers in or around cork. really appreciate it as i have gone to a couple in the past and they have been useless!:) :)

    hi i am also looking for a good but cheap fortune teller in cork.. i have heard of ruby in the city but there are no posts about her?
    Could any one recommend her or send me a number of someone else ?:)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭tricialou


    Thanks but if anyone knows if shes any good or has numbers of someone else id be very grateful


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭newbee22


    Veronica in Farrannree is fab- I'll PM you her number!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Jesus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭evilivor


    gpf101 wrote: »
    Jesus

    Have you a contact number?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Paypal me €100 and I'll PM you...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭Vivara


    If anyone here is vulnerable enough to seek out a medium and let what they say manipulate your life's choices, please, please watch this video:



    Derren Brown is a British Psychological Illusionist who can do things better than these fraudulent mediums can, and he admits everything he does is fake.

    But then again, there are still those who want to believe...

    V.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 Czaribald


    Do you have a picture of that fortune teller?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    tricialou wrote: »
    hi i am also looking for a good but cheap fortune teller in cork.. i have heard of ruby in the city but there are no posts about her?
    Could any one recommend her or send me a number of someone else ?:)

    A lot of smart arse replies on here, but nothing I wouldn't expect from people on here either, tbh...

    I'd recommend Veronica in Blackpool (I think someone said she was in Farranree - not so, however), Peter Matthew, who reads from The Commons Inn (he's more of a medium than a fortune teller though), and Maria in Cobh.

    Veronica and Maria read Tarot cards.

    Veronica's and Peter Matthew's numbers are listed in this directory: http://www.paranormal.ie/directory.html

    I'll PM Maria's number to you. It's up to yourself who you want to visit though.

    Of course, there's the White Witch in Cobh as well but, tbh, she's only good for a laugh really. Extremely hit and miss in recent years, by all accounts. Still, she's a hell of a lot cheaper than most and is a nice, highly entertaining lady.

    There's more info, reviews, etc, about readers over in the Psychics&Mediums sub-forum of the Paranormal forum. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    A lot of smart arse replies on here, but nothing I wouldn't expect from people on here either, tbh...

    I'd recommend Veronica in Blackpool (I think someone said she was in Farranree - not so, however), Peter Matthew, who reads from The Commons Inn (he's more of a medium than a fortune teller though), and Maria in Cobh.

    Veronica and Maria read Tarot cards.

    Veronica's and Peter Matthew's numbers are listed in this directory: http://www.paranormal.ie/directory.html

    I'll PM Maria's number to you. It's up to yourself who you want to visit though.

    Of course, there's the White Witch in Cobh as well but, tbh, she's only good for a laugh really. Extremely hit and miss in recent years, by all accounts. Still, she's a hell of a lot cheaper than most and is a nice, highly entertaining lady.

    There's more info, reviews, etc, about readers over in the Psychics&Mediums sub-forum of the Paranormal forum. :)

    The replies are actually quite mild considering its complete and utter nonsense and it's conning people out of decent amounts of money.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭SomeFool


    A lot of smart arse replies on here, but nothing I wouldn't expect from people on here either, tbh...

    Feckin rational people... :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭evilivor


    tricialou wrote: »
    hi i am also looking for a good but cheap fortune teller in cork.. i have heard of ruby in the city but there are no posts about her?
    Could any one recommend her or send me a number of someone else ?:)

    A lot of smart arse replies on here, but nothing I wouldn't expect from people on here either, tbh...

    It's not being smart arse, protecting people from throwing their money away on frauds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭deRanged


    A lot of smart arse replies on here, but nothing I wouldn't expect from people on here either, tbh...

    from whom, Cork City forum posters?
    This thread is going nowhere good. Or anywhere at all now.

    /edit - lol. I guess I won't be closing it afterall :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    gpf101 wrote: »
    The replies are actually quite mild considering its complete and utter nonsense and it's conning people out of decent amounts of money.

    How many years did you spend actively (not passively, i.e. watching Derren Brown's shows, reading James Randi material, etc.) researching it all before reaching that conclusion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    SomeFool wrote: »
    Feckin rational people... :pac:

    Obviously there's nothing wrong with rationality - it brings order to our lives - but even rationality can't explain everything.

    I don't know if you've ever read Stephen Hawking's 'A Brief History Of Time', but he acknowledges in that book that there are happenings in the universe that are beyond our present human understanding. Rationality and logic have their limits, I'm afraid. Sorry to break it to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    deRanged wrote: »
    from whom, Cork City forum posters?
    This thread is going nowhere good. Or anywhere at all now.

    /edit - lol. I guess I won't be closing it afterall :)

    Yeah. Well, any forum outside the Paranormal forum, tbh, where most people there are open to intelligent and respectful discussion of subjects like the possibility of an afterlife, parallel universes, etc.

    It's boringly predictable how a topic like the one mentioned in the thread title that's posted somewhere outside the Paranormal forum is shot down like a bullet by people, accompanied by visceral anger and outright indignation. It's like people are personally offended by something that doesn't even affect them personally, which I find quite funny actually. A bit of detachment and maturity wouldn't go astray.

    As for "protecting" vulnerable people from fortune tellers/psychics - well, if they're adults and of sound mind, it's their own responsibility to protect themselves and make cogent decisions based on the huge amount of information that's freely available to them.

    People should be able to make their own choices without the 'assistance' of faceless, anonymous internet forum users with visible chips on their shoulders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Isn't the term "Good Fortune Teller" an oxymoron? ;)

    But heh, better you spend your hard earned money on this then drugs or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭Vivara


    How many years did you spend actively (not passively, i.e. watching Derren Brown's shows, reading James Randi material, etc.) researching it all before reaching that conclusion?

    Enough to know that it's up to the person aiming to prove something remarkable to provide evidence to support the belief. I am certainly open to the idea.

    But unfortunately, it's not possible to find any 'research' on this stuff as it's not even worth researching. There are of course the odd few universities who do so, but anything I've found seems to prove that they're all hoaxes.

    Why don't you link us to studies or research you've found that prove the existence of the paranormal? Anything scientific? And if you have a problem with science, there's little point in arguing. Science has no secret issues with the paranormal. They're just rational people who like having evidence for things, like everything else in life. Why does the paranormal not need evidence like everything else?

    I see warnings all the time about people's credit cards being exploited or for people to avoid internet scams. There's nothing odd about warning people — it's a nice thing to do — especially if people (and I know some) who have wasted a lot of their money on the paranormal and got little or nothing good out of it.

    The whole "adults" and "of sound mind" thing is quite honestly one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. We warn adults of sound mind all the time about scams. And warning someone does not take away their choice or hamper their ability to still contact someone claiming to be psychic. Allowing people to see both sides of a coin is hardly unfair or wrong, and I doubt very much you think the same way about any other type of scam.

    V.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭wispyman


    People should be able to make their own choices without the 'assistance' of faceless, anonymous internet forum users with visible chips on their shoulders.

    Thank god there is someone with a bit of respect posting. This thread has turned into a total troll-fest - this is sadly such a common sight in this forum. The original poster was only asking a simple question and like flies on crap the trolls descend. Have you all not got better things to do - actually I think I already know the answer to that :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    Vivara wrote: »
    Enough to know that it's up to the person aiming to prove something remarkable to provide evidence to support the belief. I am certainly open to the idea.

    What type of field research have you done exactly? Was this done in your locality, nationally, or both?
    Vivara wrote: »
    But unfortunately, it's not possible to find any 'research' on this stuff as it's not even worth researching.

    What's most unfortunate is that you seem to be unaware of all the research that's at your very own fingertips. Obviously other people - including the U.S. and Russian governments - felt it was an area that was worth researching. But hey, what do they know compared to you?
    Vivara wrote: »
    There are of course the odd few universities who do so, but anything I've found seems to prove that they're all hoaxes.

    Are you referring to particular mediums/psychics (if so, who?) that have been 'proven' to be hoaxes, or are you referring to general psychic phenomena (again, please name the phenomenon/phenomena)? The Stanford Institute has produced a lot of credible research material on the paranormal in the past that's worth a look.

    Vivara wrote: »
    Why don't you link us to studies or research you've found that prove the existence of the paranormal? Anything scientific? And if you have a problem with science, there's little point in arguing. Science has no secret issues with the paranormal. They're just rational people who like having evidence for things, like everything else in life. Why does the paranormal not need evidence like everything else?

    You want me to do your own damn homework, do you? The audacity of you. rolleyes.gif

    Look, we've debated and argued this whole 'science Vs. the paranormal'/'Can you prove something paranormal?' argument for literally years over on the Paranormal forum and I certainly do not have any interest in trying to 'make you believe' for your own benefit.

    My only interest is in trying to promote sensible open-mindedness and receptivity to, and respect for, new information about the area and for others' experiences and viewpoints. It certainly isn't my responsibility to prove anything to you.

    Vivara wrote: »
    I see warnings all the time about people's credit cards being exploited or for people to avoid internet scams. There's nothing odd about warning people — it's a nice thing to do — especially if people (and I know some) who have wasted a lot of their money on the paranormal and got little or nothing good out of it.

    So have I, but that doesn't prompt me to embark on a moral crusade on a forum to 'warn' strangers. I'd expect them to have a bit of common sense about these things. If they don't, then fair enough.

    Vivara wrote: »
    The whole "adults" and "of sound mind" thing is quite honestly one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. We warn adults of sound mind all the time about scams. And warning someone does not take away their choice or hamper their ability to still contact someone claiming to be psychic.

    Oh okay, so they aren't adults and they don't have sound minds? Right, okay then - good luck with you believing that.

    Of course warning someone doesn't take away their choice - I never even suggested that. I think you vastly underestimate how informed some people are. You also have to accept that there are people out there who simply pay money to see these people for the laugh (maybe for a hen night, or what have you) and don't give a toss what cautionary words people say.

    The Psychics&Mediums sub-forum of the Paranormal forum invites people who have actually had first-hand experiences with various psychics and mediums to post positive and/or negative feedback about them, as the case may be. Those are INFORMED WARNINGS, unlike the rhetoric from you, for instance, which isn't based on first-hand experience at all and, thus, is vaguely generalised and not particularly useful or original, even.
    Vivara wrote: »
    Allowing people to see both sides of a coin is hardly unfair or wrong, and I doubt very much you think the same way about any other type of scam.

    That's very presumptuous and arrogant of you. Doubt all you want - doubt seems to be a recurring theme in your post.


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