Am I wasting my time with this jogging routine?

g'em

dame wrote:

Do you not think this looks like the body of a man? Those arms! :eek:

you've been hanging around with some very effeminate men...

jsb used two pretty extreme examples of muscular women. These are not "bodybuilders" per se, but Figure competitors. The condition they're in is largely down to intentional dehydration to help vascularise and show off their musculature. Doing full push-ups ill certainly not result in a woman looking like that. An intense dedication to working out with weights, twice daily cardio sessions and a diet that's clean as a whistle and some great genetcis will. That's Annette Milbers in the green and Mascha Tieken in the brown bikini btw for anyone who wants to Google.

dame frankly you're getting on my nerves on this thread. muscles can and are worked in isolation. what I think you're trying to say is don't overwork one muscle group and neglect its antagonistic pairing - i.e. if you're going to work triceps strengthen your biceps too. They do not need to be worked in the same session though. If that's what you're trying to say then you're right, you're just saying it really badly.

t-ha

dame wrote:

I've seen men who walk with their over-developed arms in front of them like gorillas due to overwork of biceps while neglecting the tricep somewhat!

More often than not that is due to tightening of shoulder internal rotators such as the pectoral muscles (esp. pectoralis minor), latissimus dorsi and anterior deltoids, and a stretching/weakening of scapular retractors and rotators (posterior and downward), as well as external shoulder rotators. More tricep work would not fix it.

dame wrote:

For myself I'll continue to do my little circuit (which by the way is not done in a gym and involves no special equipment other than a mat and a set of dumbells) and I'd advise anyone else to work out a little circuit for themselves too (with help from a suitably qualified instructor if necessary) and stick to it.

I think circuits would work well for the OP too, I think the only reason you're catching flak at the moment is that you personally are not (presumably) a suitably qualified instructor, and your comments contain small bits of out-of-date/unqualified info or misinformation.

BTW I think JSB's point was that a girl has as much chance of turning into the women he posted as I have of turning into Ronnie Coleman, which hopefully is a pretty good chance. :rolleyes:

justsomebloke

t-ha wrote:

BTW I think JSB's point was that a girl has as much chance of turning into the women he posted as I have of turning into Ronnie Coleman, which hopefully is a pretty good chance. :rolleyes:

pretty much, however I prefer posting pics of women:D

but ye

would pretty much be like a man getting to this level, and you don't see many men around if that have naturally gotten to this level

so these are the people who dedicate their whole life to getting in shape and building muscle, however what I wanted to people to see was that even at the extreme of the pic of the woman she still possessed the body proportion and measurements that most women look for (ye for most women she would be too muscular but that is more that fact that she would lifting massive numbers that would be the envy of most men, so no matter how hard the average lady tried and how much she tried to lift she wouldn't be getting near the amount of weight needed to put on that amount of muscle mass)

davyjose

jsb wrote:

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If any girl here ends up looking like this, feel free to PM me your phone number:D

dame

g'em wrote:

what I think you're trying to say is don't overwork one muscle group and neglect its antagonistic pairing - i.e. if you're going to work triceps strengthen your biceps too. They do not need to be worked in the same session though. If that's what you're trying to say then you're right, you're just saying it really badly.

That's it. A lot of people just like to jump on anything anybody says.

No I haven't been hanging around with very effiminate men, just normal fit ones (ie not Creatine fed body-builders).

dame

t-ha wrote:

More often than not that is due to tightening of shoulder internal rotators such as the pectoral muscles (esp. pectoralis minor), latissimus dorsi and anterior deltoids, and a stretching/weakening of scapular retractors and rotators (posterior and downward), as well as external shoulder rotators. More tricep work would not fix it.

Boils down to the same thing though - overwork of one part while underworking another.

dame

Dragan wrote:

Also, it seems to me like you are passing on third hand information, Defence Forces to family member, family member to you.

It also sounds like you are in a mindset where you limit your expectations of what you can do because you a girl? "Girls can do less" , "girls need more time". I just thought it would be funny to point out that if a guy was on here saying that he would be torn to shreds by now.

No he wouldn't and if he did it would probably be from one or two who will argue about equality in any context, just for the sake of it. :rolleyes: Of course any woman can do as much as she likes etc etc, but when will she ever be competing against men at exactly the same level, with exactly the same standards and expectations from judges, in any sport?

dame

t-ha wrote:

I think circuits would work well for the OP too, I think the only reason you're catching flak at the moment is that you personally are not (presumably) a suitably qualified instructor, and your comments contain small bits of out-of-date/unqualified info or misinformation.

Actually years ago I did do a gym instructors course but never used it since and never worked in that particular area so I've forgotten most of it beyond the general principles at this stage.

Dragan

dame wrote:

No he wouldn't and if he did it would probably be from one or two who will argue about equality in any context, just for the sake of it. :rolleyes: Of course any woman can do as much as she likes etc etc, but when will she ever be competing against men at exactly the same level, with exactly the same standards and expectations from judges, in any sport?

I suggest you go to www.crossfit.com , where women have learned that it's SO much fun to do exactly what men do, only better and faster.

Dragan

dame wrote:

No I haven't been hanging around with very effiminate men, just normal fit ones (ie not Creatine fed body-builders).

Sorry, but if those guys have arms like Gina Allotti then the really need to put down GQ and pick up some weights.

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justsomebloke

dame wrote:

but when will she ever be competing against men at exactly the same level, with exactly the same standards and expectations from judges, in any sport?

seriously I never get tired of this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqCkqDr0Yw

Roper

Just on the "you will stop being girly if you lift" thing, the girl in the video above has one hell of an ass!

davyjose

Wow, she has him beat from the start, squatting waaaaay lower than he is.
Actually, she's someone to look at if you wanna see really good technique.

t-ha

dame wrote:

Boils down to the same thing though - overwork of one part while underworking another.

True but you got the parts all wrong & that indicates to me that you don't know much about what you're talking about. Also, it certaintly doesn't boil down to the same thing if someone has that problem and you start advising them how to fix it and make them even worse.

dame wrote:

Actually years ago I did do a gym instructors course but never used it since and never worked in that particular area so I've forgotten most of it beyond the general principles at this stage.

Like I said, it's obvious you're working off of out-of-date information, wive's tales etc. Also I've met too many instructors that wouldn't know their knees from their elbows to put much stock in such a qualification by itself anyway.

dame wrote:

That's it. A lot of people just like to jump on anything anybody says.

Alot of people like to spout off training advice without taking the time to get the specifics correct.

HammerHeadGym

Dragan wrote:

I suggest you go to www.crossfit.com , where women have learned that it's SO much fun to do exactly what men do, only better and faster.

Right on brother. In fact check this video out and then try and tell me women shouldn't be training like menmedia.crossfit.com/cf-video/051204.wmv

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hot fuss

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I think you'll find that the length of a hole on a golf course is shorter for women than it is for men.

Dragan

hot fuss wrote:

I think you'll find that the length of a hole on a golf course is shorter for women than it is for men.

Thats such an incredible addition to the conversation. Thank you.

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JayRoc

Press-ups on the knees, shorter holes in golf....
It's nothing to do with upper-body strength, or a risk of injuring the pelvis or any of that.

Women are just lazier than men.
I'm astonished no-one's brought this up until now

g'em

JayRoc wrote:

Women are just lazier than men.
I'm astonished no-one's brought this up until now

you're getting an extra hard kick to the 'nads next time I see you. The boys never did get around to showing you how to deflect that one did they

King of Kings

WAHHH

just do something! anything and eat better.
deep down you know what is good and bad for you

then after you've made those basic changes then try to wonder about your routine or wheter your breakfast is big or healthy enough.

As the ad for boots said ( and they're spot on ) change one thing.
teh another and then another and so forth

then you'll save me from threads like these

WAhhhh

dame

t-ha wrote:

True but you got the parts all wrong & that indicates to me that you don't know much about what you're talking about. Also, it certaintly doesn't boil down to the same thing if someone has that problem and you start advising them how to fix it and make them even worse.

Gorilla arms was just an example. The OP doesn't suffer from that so she needn't worry. I also doubt anyone that into their training would go and change their routine to remedy something like that just cos they saw a quick reference to it in a general way. They'd be far more likely to consult with their training buddies.

t-ha wrote:

Like I said, it's obvious you're working off of out-of-date information, wive's tales etc. Also I've met too many instructors that wouldn't know their knees from their elbows to put much stock in such a qualification by itself anyway.

And I agreed with you.

T-HA wrote:

Alot of people like to spout off training advice without taking the time to get the specifics correct.

Do you have an up-to-date fitness instructor qualification? Do the rest of the people contributing?

If OP wanted proper advice she wouldn't be asking strangers on here, she'd be taking herself off to an athletics club/decent gym and asking real experts. Hopefully she'd manage to find one who knew where their knee was! :eek: All she wanted was a few opinions (which she has now (more than) received).


To others, I'll probably get jumped on again but Golf and Motorcar Racing are not physically demanding sports in the same way as those involving athletic-type activity or strength (like the beloved body-building and figure competing (?) ).

G'em, most models eat diets that are clean as a whistle and exercise to keep themselves toned but they don't look muscle-bound like those figure-competitors! They may look impressive in bikinis but what do they look like with clothes on? Most women would rather look slim and slightly toned, not have muscles bursting out from under their clothes! No, not looking for links to clothed female figure competition winners......just giving a general opinion.


Why do I get the feeling a lot of you are Creatine-fed body-builder types?
I better leave this entire forum now before I get crushed by a random tub of the stuff!

justsomebloke

dame wrote:

Why do I get the feeling a lot of you are Creatine-fed body-builder types?
I better leave this entire forum now before I get crushed by a random tub of the stuff!

with this utterly stupid response, dave can we get this thread locked as at this point it has gone way off the mark of what the OP was looking for, and it is now going down the road where anyone with a brain is just going to pick on Dame for her off the cut remarks about the rest of the posters

g'em

dame wrote:

G'em, most models eat diets that are clean as a whistle and exercise to keep themselves toned but they don't look muscle-bound like those figure-competitors!

I've worked with lots of models and I can tell you now that by and large that's rubbish - their diets are anything but clean. Sparse and fuelled by nicotine and Evian, yes. clean? not so much.

dame wrote:

They may look impressive in bikinis but what do they look like with clothes on? Most women would rather look slim and slightly toned, not have muscles bursting out from under their clothes! No, not looking for links to clothed female figure competition winners......just giving a general opinion.

no, you're giving your opinion. And those girls do look extremely slim and "toned" with clothes on and a hell of a lot healthier, more attractive and womanly than the size 0 phenomenon that seems to perpetrate popular media right now.

dame wrote:

Why do I get the feeling a lot of you are Creatine-fed body-builder types?
I better leave this entire forum now before I get crushed by a random tub of the stuff!

no, leave because your ignorance is pathetic and frankly bordering on prejudicial. please, do leave. you won't be missed, I promise.

daveirl

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