Am I wasting my time with this jogging routine?

luvlylady

A friend and I started jogging just after Christmas and have beeing doing it for about 7 weeks now. We go 3 times a week and our route takes approx. 35 minutes. We alternated between jogging and walking starting off with the intention of reducing the walking and increasing the jogging. It's not getting any easier though and we're not able to jog for longer and walk for less. Are we wasting our time? Should we be taking a longer route? Any help at all would be appreciated! We're trying to get in shape and lose a few pounds but are getting disheartened.

LundiMardi

What exactly are you doing when you go out jogging? What's the ratio of jogging:walking? What pace are you going at?

Have you actually lost any weight? What's your diet like?

Shrimp

What are your goals?

Whats ur weight? height?

Can you see any difference in the mirror?

Are you drinking plenty or water?

luvlylady

We start out and walk for 6 minutes, jog for 6, walk for 4 minutes, jog for 7, walk for 5 and jog for 5, roughly. At the times when we stop jogging and start walking, it's because we can't jog any longer. My main aim is to lose weight. I'm about 5'3" and weigh just over 10 stone. I drink about 2.5 litres of water a day which I think is alright? I've lost about 4lbs so far but thought I'd be noticing more results by now.

I'm counting WW points to keep a tab on what I'm eating.

quozl

Check out http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml
I'd highly recommend it. You could start with week 4, having a schedule to stick to might help.

If you're having trouble keeping jogging then you might be going too fast - even if it seems slow. You'll improve relative to the number of minutes you spend actually jogging as a beginner, so if it means you can spend more time jogging at a slower speed then you're better off.

Don't give up on the jogging, it'll make you much healthier and fitter. Don't expect much by the way of weight loss from the running itself though really, you need to do about 17 miles in a week to lose 1/2 a pound of fat, and that's assuming you don't up your calorie intake due to the extra exercise. It's your diet that'll be your big source of weightloss, but the jogging will make a difference to your health and wellbeing.

Would you guys consider training towards a fun-run as motivation? The bupa 10k is on in the phoenix park on April 15th iirc and it'll be full of people new to running. It'll be a fun day out

t-ha

I'm not really a jogger so take everyone elses advice for that, but in general, I think all fitness goals are better met with good planning. I.e. don't just intend to jog more/walk less - have a plan that says this week we walk for 6 mins, jog for 5. Next week we walk for 5mins & jog for 5, the week after we will walk for 5mins and jog for 6 etc.

I'm not saying that plan is the best possible one or anything, but just that knowing exactly what your goal is for each run might help?

Also, congrats on the weight-loss this far. Obviously everyone's always in a hurry to get into shape, but ultimately it's not about a short-term effort to 'get into' shape, it's about a long-term lifestyle change to 'keep' the shape you want, so the mere fact that the scales are going the right way is a good sign.

luvlylady

Thanks for the advice so far. I just thought that after this long, the jogging would be somewhat easier. Some nights it feels like the first night all over again. We'll stick with it anyway.

Also, I wear light wrist weights while jogging in the hope that they will help tone up my arms. Is this a good idea, will it work?

wasabi

It's not a great idea, no. You'd be more likely to injure your joints than anything else.

What you call 'toning' is a combination of losing fat and making your muscles bigger.

To lose fat, you address your diet, which you say you're doing with weight watchers points. That's a start but there's more accurate ways of going about this. Have you read the diet related stickies above?

To increase muscle you need some sort of resistance exercise, could be either bodyweight stuff like pushups or else with weights, if you had access to some. Again, there's details and sample programmes in the stickes. Whatever you do, the exercise needs to be difficult enough that you can't do gazillions (more than 15 or so) reps per set, so your wrist weights that you have for running are probably not up to the job. 3 sets of 12-15 pushups before running would be a start, do them on your knees if you can't manage full pushups yet.

hunnymonster

luvlylady, I'm very surprised that you haven't noticed any difference in 7 weeks. Most people can handle an improvement of at least 10% per week with 3 runs a week when starting from a low base. Are you based in Dublin by any chance? If so I would be happy to come take a look and give you some pointers/ideas/opinions.




I would also echo that weights when running are not a good idea. If you do want to use them (because carrying them around will use a couple of extra calories) then wear them when you're chopping dinner or doing the ironing (arms) or walking up stairs(legs), things that are lower impact than running. And watch your posture when using them.

Blazer

How have your legs toned up? Do they look the same or are they more lean/muscular etc..
I was doing a lot of jogging and found that I wasn't losing much weight at all but my legs (thigh/ass area) lost all the fat and began to build up more muscle in these areas.
It wasn't till I actually changed my diet by cutting out yeast/potatoes/red meat etc that I began to see the weight fall off. And no eating after 7/8pm at night.
I went from 15st2lbs to a now present 12st 10lbs (male, 5ft10inchs).
The thing is not to be disheartened, keep at it..only when I changed my diet did I begin to see rapid improvements.
One thing I heartily recommend is a dietitian, they can pick up any allergies etc that could be blocking weight loss (mine was yeast). It only cost me €50 euros and well worth the trip

PS. Rather than jogging take up a hobby like squash etc...it's a hard workout and you'll see more benefits sooner..plus the fact that it's more enjoyable.

akw_old

have you tried to some some sprinting. jogging is an endurance cardio exercise, and while it will get the heart rate up and help to lose weight it won't increase your metabloism, which ultimately is going to shed the weight.
sprinting on the other hand will really burn those calories right away, and then for a few hours more after.
weights increase your metabolism better than any carido.
it is all about diet also, but make sure you eat healthily, don't just stop eating calories then go jogging, you'll just make yourself tired and lose energy.

when i started jogging a while back, we did about 12 laps of a track, then 10 100 metre sprints. we saw results after 4 weeks easily.
try a few sprints during the jog, and read up on interval training.

wasabi

AKW you are dead right about the effects of interval training and weights. I'd be all in favour of the OP starting a good strength program.

Interval training is probably a bit advanced for anyone who can't jog continously for more than a few minutes at a time. They're already pretty challenged by the lower intensity work and trying to get them to do higher intensity will just be counterproductive as they won't be physically or mentally ready for it.

Definitely something to consider a couple of months down the road when the jogging becomes easier though.

luvlylady

There's some really good advice there, thanks a lot. The first thing I'm going to do it ditch the arm weights while jogging anyway. I'll do the push ups before the jogs instead.

Unfortunately I'm in the southern end of the country, hunnymonster, thanks anyway.

I don't notice any difference in the shape of my legs. All my clothes feel the same - tight! My diet is fairly alright but I defeinitely need to cut down on/cut out bread. I eat way too much of it and am always bloated.

I really don't think we'd be able for sprinting at the moment, jogging is hard enough for us!

I know it all takes time and I wasn't looking for results overnight but I definitely thought after a couple of months I'd see something happening!

quozl

I'd strongly advise against the sprinting idea, you'd be asking to injure yourself as a total beginner. Very likely to end up at least with shin splints.

If you want the metabolism boost then some weights would do it. I'd also reiterate what T-Ha said,have a specific plan for each run. That's why I recommended the c25k. I know I do a let better with a plan and I think the majority of people do.

Good luck with it anyway.

hunnymonster

an alternative to sprinting with a lower injury risk is to find a big hill and run up it a few times. Walk back down to recover and repeat until (as my friend put it) you feel like throwing up.

dame

wasabi wrote:

3 sets of 12-15 pushups before running would be a start, do them on your knees if you can't manage full pushups yet.

Bad advice there wasabi. Females are likely to injure their pelvis if they do full push-ups. That's why there is a modified version (on the knees) for them.

I'd actually suggest doing the push-ups afterwards as she needs all her energy for the running. She can do the push-ups as part of a short circuit (including sit-ups, back extensions (down extremely slowly and under control), oblique curls, push-ups, v-ups for example) when she finishes and go from there into a stretch and cool-down.

OP, you could try doing some skipping or jumping on a mini trampoline to build up your stamina. A few minutes of either one will start to show you improvements and mean you can jog for longer.

I think at the moment you may be trying to run for too long and are then walking for too long as well. Do a good warm-up and then try running as hard as you can for 2 mins, brisk walk 2 mins, run hard as you can again for 2 mins etc, until you finish your route.

Varying your route also helps. You may be find it tougher to keep motivated if you're bored of the same route and also your body remembers and thinks "this is where I felt tired last time" and will slow down subconsciously.

Work on your breathing. Deep breaths in and exhale slowly under control. Shallow breaths and panting will tire you out, starve your muscles of oxygen and give you cramps. Try counting steps (or slowly counting to 4 in your head say) while breathing in and the same again on the way out. It will help.

The suggestion to train for a particular goal is good. There are lots of fun runs around and the Flora Women's Mini-Marathon is held in June. Don't be intimidated, there'll be people of all fitness levels there, including walkers. You won't be the last to finish!

Best of luck LuvlyLady!

hunnymonster

dame wrote:

Bad advice there wasabi. Females are likely to injure their pelvis if they do full push-ups. That's why there is a modified version (on the knees) for them

Dame, are you sure about this? I know it was the common idea 20 year ago but my understanding (from sports scientists) is that it's now accepted that carried out witht the correct form push-ups are appropiate for women.

The reasoning for suggesting the push-ups first (I suppose) is that after the run the OP might be too tired to do them properly.

wasabi

I concur with hummymonster, no need for women to do modified pushups if they have the strength to do full ones - a strength issue is all it is. Using the knees supports more of the body weight and makes it easier.

I am female and spent many years doing martial arts classes that included full pushups, I could rep out over 50 at a go at one stage which is reasonably impressive for a person of either gender. My pelvis has never been damaged by it nor have any of my lady-bits fallen off or anything, so I'm happy to say I've tested this theory out pretty thoroughly :cool:

Like hunnymonster said as well, I was suggesting pushups first because the running will tire the OP out for pushups whereas 45 pushups shouldn't have much impact on the running. Generally resistance before cardio is the rule.

Running up a few hills isn't a bad idea if the OP wants to challenge themselves but OP be careful to warm up and stretch well first (as always) as running uphill as opposed to on the flat will cause more of a stretch in the achilles tendon in the back of your ankle.

justsomebloke

dame wrote:

Bad advice there wasabi. Females are likely to injure their pelvis if they do full push-ups. That's why there is a modified version (on the knees) for them.

Hi do you have any studies to back this up. As already stated there is no reason why women shouldn't do proper press ups (well bar lack of strength). If you can't do full press ups you can either do press ups with your knees on the ground of do incline press ups (with incline press ups you are lifting a smaller percentage of your body weight making them easier, So start off with a high incline and then decrease the incline till you can do full press ups)

dame

I can do 56 in one minute, so what? I've also run the marathon.

In the Defence Forces, women (of which I am one) always do modified push-ups. When men move on to do harder inclined push-ups, then women may do full push-ups but this up to themselves when they get fitter and there is never any pressure on to do full push-ups as it is accepted that they may cause injuries.

In the fitness tests for the defence forces push-ups and sit-ups are done first for the reasons you said, so that the candidate is not too tired after the run to do them properly.

For regular day to day stuff, the OP is better off to do her run first and then do push-ups (if she wants to) as part of a circuit, with proper warm up before the run and proper cool down and stretaches after the circuit. There is no point in her forcing herself to do as many full push-ups as she can and then heading off for a fairly long run with her arms feeling like jelly. Also it is stupid to work on muscles in isolation. You must work on them in pairs, as in bicep exercise goes with tricep exercise etc. You must work out a little circuit and work all the muscles evenly. I assume the OP wants a general toneup and improvement in fitness not to turn into a muscle-bound female body-builder.

Awful Scut

Mathew Reilly wrote:

I went from 15st2lbs to a now present 12st 10lbs (male, 5ft10inchs).
The thing is not to be disheartened, keep at it..only when I changed my diet did I begin to see rapid improvements.
One thing I heartily recommend is a dietitian, they can pick up any allergies etc that could be blocking weight loss (mine was yeast). It only cost me €50 euros and well worth the trip

Just curious about this Mathew, what was your diet like before you went to the dietician? Did you feel you were eating a load of crap or a fairly balanced diet?

Went for one of those nutron things about five years ago and cutting out almost everything they recommended did nothing for me.

I´d be a bit like the OP, want to lose about a stone and start a healthier routine. Changed jobs about a year ago and the new one´s very sedentary.

justsomebloke

dame wrote:

In the Defence Forces, women (of which I am one) always do modified push-ups.

As I said already I would like to see any medical data that says women shouldn't do full pushups

dame wrote:

For regular day to day stuff, the OP is better off to do her run first and then do push-ups (if she wants to) as part of a circuit, with proper warm up before the run and proper cool down and stretaches after the circuit. There is no point in her forcing herself to do as many full push-ups as she can and then heading off for a fairly long run with her arms feeling like jelly.

I don't think that anybody was suggesting that she just do as many pushups as possible, if anything she should do the general 3x12-15 rep ranges, and she can even use push up variations like knee (while she build up her strength to do full ones) or incline push ups.

dame wrote:

Also it is stupid to work on muscles in isolation. You must work on them in pairs, as in bicep exercise goes with tricep exercise etc. You must work out a little circuit and work all the muscles evenly.

truthfully I would love to hear your reasoning behind this, surely doing compound lifts would be better then antagonistic supersetting or would you not even be suppersetting the tricep and bicep work and also what is your obsession with doing everything in circuits

dame wrote:

I assume the OP wants a general toneup and improvement in fitness not to turn into a muscle-bound female body-builder.

one as a female she would find it extremely hard to turn into a muscle bond female body builder by doing any type of weightlifting cause due to the fact that women don't have the same test levels as men so they can't naturally do it, even with severe dedication, imaculate diet and serious weight training the best she probably end up looking like this (and remember with the amount of weight an average women lifts she would only put on a very small fraction of even the muscle here)

and no offence to the OP but chances are she probably won't be putting in that much effort and even at that a increase of 2-3% bf would give a much "softer" look if that is what she wanted
Also as "tone" is seeing your muscle due to a low BF% she would still have to build some muscle in the first place


But back on topic. OP don't just limit yourself to push-ups you should try body weight squats, lunges, crunches, dips etc to try and get an all round resistance programme.

justsomebloke

ok what the hell let's have one more pic, just to prove my point;)



now the reason that I have picked the 2 pics that I did is that they show that women who do weights don't turn into muscle bound freaks even at the level that they should be lifting serious amounts of weight, even a fraction of which most women would run scared form, and they still look extremely sexy, their other reason is that these women to get the "toned" look that they have have probably had to drop their BF levels to a point when it may be physically effecting them, especially the girl in the 2nd pic who is probably at a lower BF then the first girl, as in their periods have stopped so even if an average women did weights chances are they would never drop there BF% that low that would give them such prominent muscle definition so they would have as said earlier a much softer look that most women would probably die for

Kinetic^

I find that doing circuits makes everything easier........for instance, just the other day I had to wash clothes so I'd wash, dry and iron - that was one circuit.....I did that 3 times and the results were just amazing.

Dragan

dame wrote:

I can do 56 in one minute, so what?

So how's your pelvis?

I'm sorry, but a more valid reason for the girls to be doing the "modified" push ups is a simple lack of strength when it comes to doing normal push ups. I find it disturbing that the Defence Forces are telling people that they may get injured. I would love to have the physiological reasons laid out for me by some of the finer minds in there, so if anyone can give you an ACTUAL reason that would be great.

Secondly, I am a little bit worried that the Defence Forces want anything made easier for the candidates as you say. At even a reasonable level of fitness you should be able to knock out push ups and then jog or vice versa without any major issues.

Thirdly, it's "a" marathon, not "the" marathon. There is more than one.

Finally, never, ever, ever say "you must in a post". Least of all on this board. Saying things like "you must" implies a certain absolute knowledge of the subject and a complete assurance that you are 100% right and will never be proved wrong. And no offence, while I appreciate the job that you do and the role that you play for our country you are not in a position to tell people what they "must and must not do" with regards to health and fitness.

brianthebard

Kenny 5 wrote:

I find that doing circuits makes everything easier........for instance, just the other day I had to wash clothes so I'd wash, dry and iron - that was one circuit.....I did that 3 times and the results were just amazing.

Roffles, I bet your washload went through the roof in no time!

dame

Dragan wrote:

Thirdly, it's "a" marathon, not "the" marathon. There is more than one.

Of course there's more than one. The main one here in Ireland happens to be the Dublin Marathon. That's the one most people would think of when a person says the marathon.

Actually my pelvis isn't great. Sacroiliac joint has been dodgy for a few years. Then again so have knees.

The women also get a slightly longer time for the run. I don't think anyone could complain about that as being unfair though. After all, men and women generally compete in different categories in sports.

Modified push-ups are done because most women wouldn't be able to as many full ones, hence they are used later instead of inclined push-ups which are harder again. Due to their physiological make-up women can't do them as men do (not as many and not for as long without problems).

dame

jsb wrote:

Scroll down so that the head of this women can't be seen. Do you not think this looks like the body of a man? Those arms! :eek:

dame

jsb wrote:

I don't think that anybody was suggesting that she just do as many pushups as possible, if anything she should do the general 3x12-15 rep ranges, and she can even use push up variations like knee (while she build up her strength to do full ones) or incline push ups.

what is your obsession with doing everything in circuits

But back on topic. OP don't just limit yourself to push-ups you should try body weight squats, lunges, crunches, dips etc to try and get an all round resistance programme.

Exactly, do more than one exercise type. Gives a more rounded workout and also OP you're less likely to get bored (and more likely to remember the various bits if they're part of a circuit).

To be honest I don't think the OP sounds like she ever intends to be doing too many inclined push-ups, let alone the female equivalent (full push-up). She just wants to get fitter and tone up a bit while actually feeling like she's not dying on her feet.

dame

Dragan wrote:

while I appreciate the job that you do and the role that you play for our country you are not in a position to tell people what they "must and must not do" with regards to health and fitness.

I'm actually not in the army or defence forces, I just meant I'm a woman (not one in defence forces). Sorry if that caused any confusion. I do have a family member who is though.

Common sense says you must not work any particular muscle or group of muscles in isolation (as in without also working on the opposing muscles). If I could be bothered I'd look up references but I think considering that it's common sense there's no need. Anyone else who's wondering how advisable it is to start doing one exercise repetitively (without similarly working the other muscles) can go to a gym or a doctor and ask them how wise that is. I've seen men who walk with their over-developed arms in front of them like gorillas due to overwork of biceps while neglecting the tricep somewhat!

For myself I'll continue to do my little circuit (which by the way is not done in a gym and involves no special equipment other than a mat and a set of dumbells) and I'd advise anyone else to work out a little circuit for themselves too (with help from a suitably qualified instructor if necessary) and stick to it.

Dragan

dame wrote:

Common sense says you must not work any particular muscle or group of muscles in isolation (as in without also working on the opposing muscles). If I could be bothered I'd look up references but I think considering that it's common sense there's no need.

Actually, if you wouldn't mind finding them that would be great, as I fail to see the application of common sense. Of course muscles can be worked in isolation , but whether someone should or should not do so depends entirely on there personal goals.

Also, it seems to me like you are passing on third hand information, Defence Forces to family member, family member to you.

It also sounds like you are in a mindset where you limit your expectations of what you can do because you a girl? "Girls can do less" , "girls need more time". I just thought it would be funny to point out that if a guy was on here saying that he would be torn to shreds by now.

g'em

dame wrote:

Do you not think this looks like the body of a man? Those arms! :eek:

you've been hanging around with some very effeminate men...

jsb used two pretty extreme examples of muscular women. These are not "bodybuilders" per se, but Figure competitors. The condition they're in is largely down to intentional dehydration to help vascularise and show off their musculature. Doing full push-ups ill certainly not result in a woman looking like that. An intense dedication to working out with weights, twice daily cardio sessions and a diet that's clean as a whistle and some great genetcis will. That's Annette Milbers in the green and Mascha Tieken in the brown bikini btw for anyone who wants to Google.

dame frankly you're getting on my nerves on this thread. muscles can and are worked in isolation. what I think you're trying to say is don't overwork one muscle group and neglect its antagonistic pairing - i.e. if you're going to work triceps strengthen your biceps too. They do not need to be worked in the same session though. If that's what you're trying to say then you're right, you're just saying it really badly.

t-ha

dame wrote:

I've seen men who walk with their over-developed arms in front of them like gorillas due to overwork of biceps while neglecting the tricep somewhat!

More often than not that is due to tightening of shoulder internal rotators such as the pectoral muscles (esp. pectoralis minor), latissimus dorsi and anterior deltoids, and a stretching/weakening of scapular retractors and rotators (posterior and downward), as well as external shoulder rotators. More tricep work would not fix it.

dame wrote:

For myself I'll continue to do my little circuit (which by the way is not done in a gym and involves no special equipment other than a mat and a set of dumbells) and I'd advise anyone else to work out a little circuit for themselves too (with help from a suitably qualified instructor if necessary) and stick to it.

I think circuits would work well for the OP too, I think the only reason you're catching flak at the moment is that you personally are not (presumably) a suitably qualified instructor, and your comments contain small bits of out-of-date/unqualified info or misinformation.

BTW I think JSB's point was that a girl has as much chance of turning into the women he posted as I have of turning into Ronnie Coleman, which hopefully is a pretty good chance. :rolleyes:

justsomebloke

t-ha wrote:

BTW I think JSB's point was that a girl has as much chance of turning into the women he posted as I have of turning into Ronnie Coleman, which hopefully is a pretty good chance. :rolleyes:

pretty much, however I prefer posting pics of women:D

but ye

would pretty much be like a man getting to this level, and you don't see many men around if that have naturally gotten to this level

so these are the people who dedicate their whole life to getting in shape and building muscle, however what I wanted to people to see was that even at the extreme of the pic of the woman she still possessed the body proportion and measurements that most women look for (ye for most women she would be too muscular but that is more that fact that she would lifting massive numbers that would be the envy of most men, so no matter how hard the average lady tried and how much she tried to lift she wouldn't be getting near the amount of weight needed to put on that amount of muscle mass)

davyjose

jsb wrote:

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If any girl here ends up looking like this, feel free to PM me your phone number:D

dame

g'em wrote:

what I think you're trying to say is don't overwork one muscle group and neglect its antagonistic pairing - i.e. if you're going to work triceps strengthen your biceps too. They do not need to be worked in the same session though. If that's what you're trying to say then you're right, you're just saying it really badly.

That's it. A lot of people just like to jump on anything anybody says.

No I haven't been hanging around with very effiminate men, just normal fit ones (ie not Creatine fed body-builders).

dame

t-ha wrote:

More often than not that is due to tightening of shoulder internal rotators such as the pectoral muscles (esp. pectoralis minor), latissimus dorsi and anterior deltoids, and a stretching/weakening of scapular retractors and rotators (posterior and downward), as well as external shoulder rotators. More tricep work would not fix it.

Boils down to the same thing though - overwork of one part while underworking another.

dame

Dragan wrote:

Also, it seems to me like you are passing on third hand information, Defence Forces to family member, family member to you.

It also sounds like you are in a mindset where you limit your expectations of what you can do because you a girl? "Girls can do less" , "girls need more time". I just thought it would be funny to point out that if a guy was on here saying that he would be torn to shreds by now.

No he wouldn't and if he did it would probably be from one or two who will argue about equality in any context, just for the sake of it. :rolleyes: Of course any woman can do as much as she likes etc etc, but when will she ever be competing against men at exactly the same level, with exactly the same standards and expectations from judges, in any sport?

dame

t-ha wrote:

I think circuits would work well for the OP too, I think the only reason you're catching flak at the moment is that you personally are not (presumably) a suitably qualified instructor, and your comments contain small bits of out-of-date/unqualified info or misinformation.

Actually years ago I did do a gym instructors course but never used it since and never worked in that particular area so I've forgotten most of it beyond the general principles at this stage.

Dragan

dame wrote:

No he wouldn't and if he did it would probably be from one or two who will argue about equality in any context, just for the sake of it. :rolleyes: Of course any woman can do as much as she likes etc etc, but when will she ever be competing against men at exactly the same level, with exactly the same standards and expectations from judges, in any sport?

I suggest you go to www.crossfit.com , where women have learned that it's SO much fun to do exactly what men do, only better and faster.

Dragan

dame wrote:

No I haven't been hanging around with very effiminate men, just normal fit ones (ie not Creatine fed body-builders).

Sorry, but if those guys have arms like Gina Allotti then the really need to put down GQ and pick up some weights.

daveirl

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justsomebloke

dame wrote:

but when will she ever be competing against men at exactly the same level, with exactly the same standards and expectations from judges, in any sport?

seriously I never get tired of this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqCkqDr0Yw

Roper

Just on the "you will stop being girly if you lift" thing, the girl in the video above has one hell of an ass!

davyjose

Wow, she has him beat from the start, squatting waaaaay lower than he is.
Actually, she's someone to look at if you wanna see really good technique.

t-ha

dame wrote:

Boils down to the same thing though - overwork of one part while underworking another.

True but you got the parts all wrong & that indicates to me that you don't know much about what you're talking about. Also, it certaintly doesn't boil down to the same thing if someone has that problem and you start advising them how to fix it and make them even worse.

dame wrote:

Actually years ago I did do a gym instructors course but never used it since and never worked in that particular area so I've forgotten most of it beyond the general principles at this stage.

Like I said, it's obvious you're working off of out-of-date information, wive's tales etc. Also I've met too many instructors that wouldn't know their knees from their elbows to put much stock in such a qualification by itself anyway.

dame wrote:

That's it. A lot of people just like to jump on anything anybody says.

Alot of people like to spout off training advice without taking the time to get the specifics correct.

HammerHeadGym

Dragan wrote:

I suggest you go to www.crossfit.com , where women have learned that it's SO much fun to do exactly what men do, only better and faster.

Right on brother. In fact check this video out and then try and tell me women shouldn't be training like menmedia.crossfit.com/cf-video/051204.wmv

daveirl

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daveirl wrote:

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I think you'll find that the length of a hole on a golf course is shorter for women than it is for men.

Dragan

hot fuss wrote:

I think you'll find that the length of a hole on a golf course is shorter for women than it is for men.

Thats such an incredible addition to the conversation. Thank you.

daveirl

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