15 Y.O. Girl Hit With Baseball Bat Dies

Xavi6

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/1124/kielyr.html

A 15-year-old girl has died in Beaumont Hospital from injuries she received in an incident on the old Navan Road on 11 November.

Rebecca Kiely, from Castleknock in Dublin, was struck with a baseball bat during a row which broke out outside St Brigid's GAA Club.

Two men, both in their 40s, have appeared in Dublin District Court in connection with the incident.

An absolutely horrific incident. The family live just around the corner from me and she and her sister are pupils of my old school, Castleknock Community College. What I gather from speaking to people in the area is that a row broke out between two drunk men and a group of teenagers who were at the 'On The Run' store in the Esso on the Navan Road. One of the men swung a baseball bat, failed to hit his intended target and connected with the girl instead. She was in a critical condition all week but died tonight.

My deepest sympathies go out to the friends and family. It's a sad day for the community and hopefully the perpetrators will get their just reward.

Chakar

My deepest sympathies to the family of the deceased girl.

county

thats pretty bad alright

Ruu_Old

Heard about that earlier, terrible shame.

Thrill

Poor girl. What an awful thing to happen.

Karoma

I saw it on the news that night. Terrible shame.
Why the hell were they in posession of a baseball bat anyway?

fifth

What the hell, that's terrible. Very saddening.

GrumPy

Dont even know what to say.

Firewalkwithme

Karoma wrote:

I saw it on the news that night. Terrible shame.
Why the hell were they in posession of a baseball bat anyway?

I agree it's a terrible shame but it's all too easy to buy a baseball bat fom any sports shop in this country despite the fact that they are rarely if ever used for their intended purpose.

Guy:Incognito

Cartoon_Head wrote:

I agree it's a terrible shame but it's all too easy to buy a baseball bat fom any sports shop in this country despite the fact that they are rarely if ever used for their intended purpose.

You can hardly blame baseball for things like this. At the end of the day its a stick. It could easily have been a golf club, hurley etc. People will use things that are to hand, if baseball bats werent available, people would use other implements such ast he above to attack others.

Firewalkwithme

Stekelly wrote:

You can hardly blame baseball for things like this. At the end of the day its a stick. It could easily have been a golf club, hurley etc.

I'm not blaming baseball - I'm blaming the people who sell baseball bats in this country for a quick and easy profit when it's not a sport that even shows up as a blip on the radar in terms of participation. It's pretty obvious what most baseball bats are bought and sold for.

Manic Moran

I think you're being silly. I played baseball in Ireland. More than I played Hurling. Rounders is always a popular game as well, doesn't always get played with a tennis racquet.

I can't believe you're arguing against the sale of baseball bats. Would you submit I need a bat license? Maybe prove membership of a baseball club? Anything else you disapprove of selling?

NTM

Karoma

oO
I was wondering more why they had a baseball bat there and then...


*shrugs*

*walks away*

Firewalkwithme

Manic Moran wrote:

I think you're being silly. I played baseball in Ireland. More than I played Hurling. Rounders is always a popular game as well, doesn't always get played with a tennis racquet.

I can't believe you're arguing against the sale of baseball bats. Anything else you disapprove of selling?

NTM

I'm not saying they should never be sold but maybe it would be prudent to distribute them through registered baseball clubs instead of selling them to any Joe Soap who walks in to lifestyle sports looking to buy a weapon. You can't deny that's what many of them are bought for in this country.

Firewalkwithme

Karoma wrote:

oO
I was wondering more why they had a baseball bat there and then...


*shrugs*

*walks away*

It's clear why it was there, if it had not have been there maybe the girl would still be alive.

Lorax

I was in that garage just a couple of weeks ago, thats insane, wrong place at the wrong time, I hope the guy gets manslaughter or murder.

Adam

thrill wrote:

Poor girl. What an awful thing to happen.

That made me lol. What an understatement...

MrJoeSoap

She was in my brothers year in school, and I know two of the people she was with when she was hit. Awful, awful stuff.

Rest in peace.

Manic Moran

Cartoon_Head wrote:

I'm not saying they should never be sold but maybe it would be prudent to distribute them through registered baseball clubs instead of selling them to any Joe Soap who walks in to lifestyle sports looking to buy a weapon. You can't deny that's what many of them are bought for in this country.

What does it matter? As the lad above said, if it's not baseball bats, it'll be hurleys. Or msybe they'll go to the autoparts store and get a tyre iron, if they're really looking for something to be used as a weapon. Heck, the big Maglite torches are often purchased because they make a pretty good club: It's why I selected my one.

If I want to play a game of baseball, or rounders, or whatever, between myself and a few friends in the park around the corner, why would I need to worry about being in a baseball club? I don't need to be in a football club to have a game of football, do I?

NTM

BlueSpiral

I know quite a few of her friends and people in her class, knew her to see around the place as well.

Dyr

Cartoon_Head wrote:

I'm not blaming baseball - I'm blaming the people who sell baseball bats in this country for a quick and easy profit when it's not a sport that even shows up as a blip on the radar in terms of participation. It's pretty obvious what most baseball bats are bought and sold for.

Oh how i love the idiocy of the argument that inanimate objects are to blame. :rolleyes:

A baseball bat is a lump of wood, you better ban every lump of wood, every golf club, every hammer, every wrench and every hurley while you're at it... just to be safe
Oh and dont forget steak knives and screw drivers too. Not mention cars, cars kill a lot of people I heard :rolleyes:

*proud baseball bat owner*

Dooom

Bambi wrote:

Oh how i love the idiocy of the argument that inanimate objects are to blame. :rolleyes:

A baseball bat is a lump of wood, you better ban every lump of wood, every golf club, every hammer, every wrench and every hurley while you're at it... just to be safe
Oh and dont forget steak knives and screw drivers too. Not mention cars, cars kill a lot of people I heard :rolleyes:

*proud baseball bat owner*

Seconded.

Calibos

The fatal injuries were caused by the fall rather than the bat I heard. ie she was knocked over by the swinging bat but her head hit the corner of a low wall or a kerb or something. Can't even see the drunk being charged with manslaughter tbh.

Tragic nonetheless.

On the subject of baseball bats. I'll be getting 3 for home protection to be positioned around the house so I can definately agree with the comment that 99.9% of baseball bats bought in this country are not bought for playing baseball. On the other side of the coin I would say that of that 99.9%, 90% are probably bought as defensive home protection weapons rather than bought by skangers to go on the rampage beating the crap out of randomers.

Think an intruder would much prefer I defend my home from him with a couple of swings from a bat than by me coming at him with a carving knive I grabbed in the kitchen. As such I think that using a baseball bat as a home defense weapon is the least provocotive weapon to use.

Glad they are till sold legally because I simply don't think bats are the scumbags offensive weapon of choice and most bats purchased will never be used in anger and if they are probably only in defense.

The above tragic incident is the exception to the rule IMO

Dooom

Calibos wrote:

The fatal injuries were caused by the fall rather than the bat I heard. ie she was knocked over by the swinging bat but her head hit the corner of a low wall or a kerb or something. Can't even see the drunk being charged with manslaughter tbh.

I haven't read any articles on it, but if it was the drunk that swung the bat at her and caused her to fall over and smack her head off the ground, then he would be done for manslaughter wouldn't he?

Dyr

AFAIR There was an instance years back in england where a guy was done for murder when he punched some fella in the head who then fell and smacked his head off a kerb. I think it was during in riot between soccer hooligans and was on caught camera.


Calibos, its going to be pretty hard to use a baseball bat effectively in the confines of your house. Go for something you can hit repeatedly with. Frying pan Maybe ?

IMO if it comes down to it you're better off with something that you can justify owning for reasons other than battering intruders. Also dont go leaving baseball bats where the bad guy is gonna pick one up himself

Tar.Aldarion

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pepper

what kind of immature prick carries a baseball bat around

Rb

Cartoon_Head wrote:

I'm not blaming baseball - I'm blaming the people who sell baseball bats in this country for a quick and easy profit when it's not a sport that even shows up as a blip on the radar in terms of participation. It's pretty obvious what most baseball bats are bought and sold for.

You're blaming those who sell baseball bats?!Thats absolutely ridiculous.
The people to blame are the people who are such cowards that they feel they've to bring a weapon into an argument.

Very sad news indeed and an absolutely horrific accident.

Manic Moran

rb_ie wrote:

The people to blame are the people who are such cowards that they feel they've to bring a weapon into an argument.

Rule 1 of a knife fight. Bring a gun.

NTM

Gaspode

Thats a real tragedy - I hope the assholes involved dont get away it it.
Unfortunatley though, in cases like this its hard to get a conviction as everybody will have their own version of what happened esp. if there was booze involved (just look at all the different versions of the one event in the past few pages).

scojones

That's terrible. Poor girl.

Xavi6

Just heard today that the second man involved in the incident was recently sacked from a top retail store in the area for constantly showing up drunk. The info is 100% reliable as he is a former colleague of my mother.

Clover

very sad to hear that she has passed away , i heard of what happened to her on the news during the week and was hoping that she would pull through .

thoughts and prayers are with her family and friends .

BlueSpiral

pepper wrote:

what kind of immature prick carries a baseball bat around

The guy was in his 40's.

What I heard was he got thrown out of the local pub earlier in the evening.

Duff

Thats horrific, couple of boys in my college knew her and yer man that did it!
My sympathies to her family.

Jonny Arson

Awfully sad news


will be even worse when that **** who killed her probably will get just a few years in prison like all murderers in this country seem to get these days

Rb

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

will be even worse when that **** who killed her probably will get just a few years in prison like all murderers in this country seem to get these days

It wasn't murder though...

thehomeofDob

Does anyone know exactly what happened? My younger brother knew her an from what he's been told the girl and a few mates were out (he heard it was a green), two guys got out of a car and tried draggin her back into the car. One of her friends, a guy, pulled her back, and put himself in between the guys and her. One of the guys grabbed a baseball bat outta the car, came back an took a swing at her friend, he ducked, and she got cracked in the head.

Now whether this is complete waffle, or slight exaguration I don't know, but either way he's pretty shaken up, an it's an awful thing to happen.

Mossy Monk

rb_ie wrote:

It wasn't murder though...

indeed

manslaughter, not murder. a very sad and tragic incident

jesus_thats_gre

Its a shame that she died alright but what was a young teenage girl doing so close to the "fight".

MrJoeSoap

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

Its a shame that she died alright but what was a young teenage girl doing so close to the "fight".

Don't even try to bring this back on the girl...

Its a shame that she died alright but what was a young teenage girl doing so close to the "fight".

Eh have you ever heard the phrase 'in the wrong place at the wrong time'? Unless you're extremely naive surely you know it's very easy to get caught up in a fight while you're minding your own business. Sure I nearly got pushed under a bus the other day cos some idiot shoved his mate who fell into me when I was on the edge of the pavement. My friend got her nose broken a few weeks ago in a club when some drunk guy went to punch someone and missed. There are irresponsible idiots all over the place, you certainly don't need to go looking for trouble if that's what you're implying this girl was doing.

HelterSkelter

Cartoon_Head wrote:

I'm not blaming baseball - I'm blaming the people who sell baseball bats in this country for a quick and easy profit when it's not a sport that even shows up as a blip on the radar in terms of participation. It's pretty obvious what most baseball bats are bought and sold for.

Why don't you blame the person who swung the baseball bat instead of the person who sold it? Typical of people in this country that we want to blame anybody but the person who comitted the crime. What is your next suggestion, ban the sale of computers in case someone uses one to hack into NASA????

dancingpixie

Yeah and one of the saddest things about it is that one of the men involved has a daughter the same age as the girl who died. Tbh i feel sorry for everyone involved.

TempestSabre

dancingpixie wrote:

Yeah and one of the saddest things about it is that one of the men involved has a daughter the same age as the girl who died. Tbh i feel sorry for everyone involved.

Why does that make it sadder? 15yr old or 30yr old what difference does it make? Both are someone child. Someone who pulls out a bat is intending to do serious damage, or kill.

Jonny Arson

rb_ie wrote:

It wasn't murder though...

So you're saying some madman going around swinging a BASEBALL BAT (yes, one those massive and very heavy things that can do alot of damage!) at someone, irrespective of whether they smashed the intended target, wasn't planning on killing someone? Sorry, screw legal terms like manslaughter, that is murder, no accident. The **** knew what he was doing and I hope he rots in hell.

Mossy Monk

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Sorry, screw legal terms like manslaughter, that is murder, no accident. The **** knew what he was doing and I hope he rots in hell.

sorry no. it's not murder unless he intended to kill the girl. did he even mean to hit her in the first place? according to news reports, no. it is manslaughter

Jonny Arson

Mossy Monk wrote:

sorry no. it's not murder unless he intended to kill the girl. did he even mean to hit her in the first place? according to news reports, no. it is manslaughter

He was going out to kill someone, if you swing a baseball bat at someone's head you know you're going to cause serious injury and likley death to someone. That was his intent, he got so lucky that he didn't hit his intended target because he'll get 2 years instead of 5 years, thanks to the loophole that is manslaughter in cases like this.

jesus_thats_gre

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Don't even try to bring this back on the girl...

Am not blaming the girl. What exactly happened though. The actual details of what occurred seem to be pretty scarce. Was she far away from home? What time of night was it? How big was the group she was in. Did the 2 men really try to abduct her? Did the 2 men start the fight. Were the 2 men taunted into challenging a group of kids.

It is an abolsutely tragic incident but the last thing I am going to assume is that she, or the group she was in, are completely innocent in all of this. Not that anything they could have done could warrant a young girl dying.

Killaqueen!!!

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

He was going out to kill someone, if you swing a baseball bat at someone's head you know you're going to cause serious injury and likley death to someone. That was his intent, he got so lucky that he didn't hit his intended target because he'll get 2 years instead of 5 years, thanks to the loophole that is manslaughter in cases like this.

He wasn't going out to kill someone he was protecting the girl. You obviously don't know the story. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

MrJoeSoap

Killaqueen!!! wrote:

He wasn't going out to kill someone he was protecting the girl. You obviously don't know the story. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Well please do tell us what you know because I certainly haven't heard anything about him trying to protect the girl.