M18 - Gort to Crusheen

Chris_533976

Cant find any info on it.

Ennis bypass should be open before Christmas (the eastern DC half anyway) but the rest of teh N18 to Galway is ****. Plus the jamup will move to Gort.

Anyone know if/when the rest of DC to Galway will be worked on, whether it will all be DC, if its going to be done in one section or two (say Ennis - Gort, then Gort - Galway). Cant find any info on the NRA website etc.

I doubt it will be done by 2010 anyway. Anyone any info on it?

murphaph

2 separate schemes, DC all the way. Info available here.

corktina

theres already a jam up in Gort......i think the Ennis bypass is schelduled to open spring 2007....is it ahead of schedule then?

Fool 5000

think the Ennis bypass is schelduled to open spring 2007....is it ahead of schedule then?

No its not because they wont be finished with the western section till then the spring in 2007.

The eastern section will be finished first ,by the end of this year is say.

Chris_533976

Nice one

Any ideas if they're due to start together or will be done one at a time? Couldnt find info either on when they plan to start them

spacetweek

The two schemes taking the N18 from Ennis to Galway are unlikely to happen until after 2010 due to the NRA's emphasis on the interurbans.

A rough timetable would run as follows:

2006-2010 Interurbans
2010-2016? Target year for completion of all the old and new NDP projects
2016+ National Secondaries and big new schemes like the M40 Dublin Orbital

Chris_533976

Tis a pity the main Limerick to Galway road isnt classed as an "Interurban", assuming Dublin - Limerick and I think Dublin - Galway are

Victor

There were public hearings on Ennis - Gort recently.

Chris_533976

Heard from the Galway Independent that you're all right

Looks like the Crusheen - Gort and Gort - Oranmore sections arent due to begin till 2010

A joke, really, this section of the road is a complete shambles. Needs upgrading far more than parts of Cork - Dublin.

Chris_533976

More than €85 million for Galway’s national roads

by Una Sinnott

Galway is to receive more than €85 million in funding for work on national roads in the city and county this year, including substantial allocations for the new N6, N17, N18, and the Galway City Outer Bypass. The funding was announced this week under the 2007 National Roads Programme.

Funding totalling €35 million has been allocated for the N6 from Galway to Ballinasloe, including bypasses of Oranmore and Ballinasloe. Work on the new 56 kilometre stretch of road is due to begin this year and is expected to be completed in 2010. Work on the section of the N6 between Ballinasloe and Athlone will begin next year.

Funding has also been made available for the planning phase of Galway’s other proposed new national roads, with a €1.5 million allocation for the planning process for the Galway City Outer Bypass. A total of €5 million has been put aside for land acquisition for the N17 Tuam bypass, and €1.5 million has been provided for the compulsory purchase order process for the N17 between Galway and Tuam. Funding to the tune of €2 million has been provided for land acquisition on the new N18 from Oranmore to Gort, along with €4 million for land acquisition and archaeological works on the N18 from Gort to Crusheen.

The Galway County Council will receive a total of €84,516,224 under the programme, of which €3.25 million will go towards maintenance works. The Galway City Council has been allocated €1,368,000, with €518,000 going towards maintenance.

Significant allocations in Connemara include €1 million for a new bridge over the river in Oughterard, and €780,000 for planning the Moycullen bypass and eastern approach overlay. A total of €800,000 has also been allocated for the design phase of the realignment work on the road between Clifden and Rosleague.

Minister of State for Equality Frank Fahey welcomed the funding, which he said was the largest single annual investment in the country’s roads infrastructure in the history of the State. The Minister said he hoped that work on the Ennis to Galway Road and the Galway City Outer Bypass would be proceeded with together as one project and he pointed out that yesterday’s allocations were a step in the right direction.

“Significant moneys have now been allocated for land and site investigations, including archaeological investigations,” he said. “This is the critical expenditure required prior to a project going to tender and it indicates that the Atlantic corridor is a high priority for the Government in terms of getting projects started.”

Meanwhile Cllr Seamus Walsh has welcomed the allocation of €400,000 for the reconstruction of the eastern approach road to Oughterard from the graveyard to Ardvarna. He said this road was the worst section of the N59, and he thanked Minister Fahey who, along with other Fianna Fáil councillors in Connemara, met with the NRA to seek funding for roads in the area.

“Furthermore €1 million has also been granted for the building of a new bridge alongside the existing bridge near the catholic church,” he said. “This will add greatly to traffic and pedestrian safety

http://www.galwayadvertiser.ie/content/index.php?aid=4526

Chris_533976

I cant find where I posted recent N18 stuff, so Im starting an official N18 thread. Much like my N20 thread, it shows most recent updates to the two schemes.

Found these today ->

Gort to Crusheen - Hedgerow & Tree Removal (to be finished by 07/09/07)
http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/search_show.aspx?ID=APR080614

Gort to Oranmore - Ground Investigation Contract
http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/search_show.aspx?ID=MAR080087

Gort to Crusheen - Design & Build
http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/search_show.aspx?ID=MAR079853

From the last one, idea of timescale -

IV.3.4) Time-limit for receipt of tenders or requests to participate 02-05-2007 16:00
IV.3.5) Date of dispatch of invitations to tender or to participate to selected candidates Estimated date 27-07-2007
II.3) Duration of the contract or limit for completion
Period in month/s: 30 (from the award of the contract)

Theres more on www.etenders.gov.ie . Search for N18. Just from looking at the timing of these notices, both schemes (Crusheen - Gort & Gort - Oranmore) seem to be going ahead simultaneously.

Chris_533976

Looks like things are slipping.

IIRC construction was supposed to start on Crusheen - Gort early 2008. Now its Summer 2008, as on here -

http://www.e-tenders.gov.ie/search/search_show.aspx?ID=JUN085848

The contract involves the supply and erection of approximately 23 kilometres of temporary boundary fencing, the felling of all of the trees on the site and clearance of all hedgerows along the proposed

route of the N18 Gort to Crusheen Dual Carriageway.

Hedgerows and tree removal are necessary to prevent nesting of birds along the proposed route, in advance of road construction, which is scheduled to commence Summer 2008. The felling of trees and clearance of hedgerows is restricted to the time period between the 24th of September 2007 and the 14th of December 2007 to take into account nesting birds. This may also restrict the installation of fencing in areas where hedgerow clearance is required prior to erecting of fences. The Tender is to take into account these restrictions when pricing this contract.

The Tender Drawings identify the extent of the site and required fencing. Additional fencing may be required or changes to the type of fencing may be required where instructed by the Engineer.

The full scope of the Works and the obligations of the Contractor are to be ascertained by reference to the Contract as a whole.

The estimated cost of the works excluding v.a.t is € 700,000.

Chris_533976

Expected start dates of building given current progress -

This is the latest news I can find from various sources.

N18 Crusheen - Gort = Summer 2008.
N18 Gort - Oranmore = Late 2008.

Crusheen - Gort I heard about on here or eTenders I think.
Gort - Oranmore I heard about here -> http://www.galway.ie/en/Services/RoadsTransportation/RoadProjects/n18orangort/news/mailshot%20july07.pdf

Bards

Also links up with the N24 Wateford Route

Chris_533976

They'd want to get their move on with the tree felling on the Crusheen-Gort and Gort-Oranmore schemes, in a previous post Dec 14th was the limit due to nesting birds. Though I'm a birdwatcher and I havent seen any bird nesting in the middle of winter.

In good news, archaelogy is being done on both schemes, when I was coming down from Galway yesterday there were trenches dug and people in them searching, also some fields were marked out with a digger to show whats to be studied.

No sign of tree removal or fencing though.

Chris_533976

Can anyone give some updates on the state of things at the moment?

Full construction begins in Q4 of this year apparently. Last time I was in Galway the archeology was being done. Have they done the tree clearance yet?

Any intrepid boards people wanna get me some photos

Chris_533976

Drove Cork - Galway and back over the last few days.

The archaeology on both schemes I think is done, when I went up a few months ago there were workers floating around some interesting looking holes. None of them today so I think its done.


A few big trees have been cut down but no hedges seem to have been touched yet.

Some wooden fencing has gone up too, moreso on the Gort-Athenry section that the other. Not complete route fencing, but fencing of the areas that have had archaeology done.

The sick weirdo inside me is hoping the Gort - Athenry section is done first, because then you'd come down 25-30km of motorway to a roundabout, plough straight through Gort (as the town bypass is in the Crusheen - Gort scheme), and a road where two lorries can hardly pass eachother and two right angled bends. The traffic jams would be incredibly bad, some of the most ridiculous on any route at peak times. Its a 30min trek through the town at peak times as it is, and would be insane if you came straight off a 30km motorway to go through a town like that

Honestly, I'd love to see it for a few days for the hilarity, but it would be dreadful for the commuter if Gort - Athenry is done before Crusheen - Gort.

Irish and Proud

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Drove Cork - Galway and back over the last few days.

The archaeology on both schemes I think is done, when I went up a few months ago there were workers floating around some interesting looking holes. None of them today so I think its done.


A few big trees have been cut down but no hedges seem to have been touched yet.

Some wooden fencing has gone up too, moreso on the Gort-Athenry section that the other. Not complete route fencing, but fencing of the areas that have had archaeology done.

The sick weirdo inside me is hoping the Gort - Athenry section is done first, because then you'd come down 25-30km of motorway to a roundabout, plough straight through Gort (as the town bypass is in the Crusheen - Gort scheme), and a road where two lorries can hardly pass eachother and two right angled bends. The traffic jams would be incredibly bad, some of the most ridiculous on any route at peak times. Its a 30min trek through the town at peak times as it is, and would be insane if you came straight off a 30km motorway to go through a town like that

Honestly, I'd love to see it for a few days for the hilarity, but it would be dreadful for the commuter if Gort - Athenry is done before Crusheen - Gort.

I don't think the main contracts are underway as of yet on either scheme. I heard that commencement was due for later this year. It'll be a nice job though!

Now, if the Gort to Crusheen section is done last, why not make both lanes through Gort Southbound and raise the speed limit to 80kph and block off all junctions, then let Northbound traffic filter onto the M18 via the local roads! - I'm pretty sure safety won't be too big an issue! Oh, and the pedestrians (wanting to cross) in Gort can either play Chicken Run or go to hell! :D:D

Regards!

rekrow

They've updated the "road scheme activity" section of the NRA website and it is still showing the status as prelimary design.

http://www.nra.ie/mapping/index.jsp?county=Galway

I wonder did the archaeology find something that they haven't released yet. You would imagine it would be at least down as being at tender if they were getting ready to build in 2008!

galwayrush

Why call it the Ennis to Galway road?, on plan it's clearly the Ennis to Athenry road.

Sponge Bob

I have just been informed that this road is not now proceeding this year or next or any other year UNLESS the NRA can organise a tolled PPP scheme . I know it was announced in January that it would be but that is not the case today .

Same with Gort -Athenry until the Gort - Crusheen scheme status is finalised.

Athenry - Tuam cancelled although this may now mean a Claregalway bypass actually has a chance of being built as a cheap alternative.

Galway Outer Bypass will be tolled if it ever gets the go ahead from Bord Pleanala.

What's totally amazing is that Frank Fahey has a really important job in Transport and of course he knew all this but he never bothered telling his constituents that this was happening at all or why ?????

You may also notice that Frank has pulled his Bypass Website seeing as it looks somewhat unlikely to be built now . Frank does not want any comments about his complete failure in the transport sphere.

Not that I heard anything but I will give the rail corridor two chances of being built with Frank on the case

transylman

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I have just been informed that this road is not now proceeding this year or next or any other year UNLESS the NRA can organise a tolled PPP scheme . I know it was announced in January that it would be but that is not the case today .

Same with Gort -Athenry until the Gort - Crusheen scheme status is finalised.

Athenry - Tuam cancelled although this may now mean a Claregalway bypass actually has a chance of being built as a cheap alternative.

Galway Outer Bypass will be tolled if it ever gets the go ahead from Bord Pleanala.

What's totally amazing is that Frank Fahey has a really important job in Transport and of course he knew all this but he never bothered telling his constituents that this was happening at all or why ?????

You may also notice that Frank has pulled his Bypass Website seeing as it looks somewhat unlikely to be built now . Frank does not want any comments about his complete failure in the transport sphere.

Not that I heard anything but I will give the rail corridor two chances of being built with Frank on the case

This is terrible news for Galway, where did you hear it. Does this mean that if the new Athenry to ennis road does go ahead it will be tolled or what?

Irish and Proud

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I have just been informed that this road is not now proceeding this year or next or any other year UNLESS the NRA can organise a tolled PPP scheme . I know it was announced in January that it would be but that is not the case today .

Same with Gort -Athenry until the Gort - Crusheen scheme status is finalised.

Athenry - Tuam cancelled although this may now mean a Claregalway bypass actually has a chance of being built as a cheap alternative.

Galway Outer Bypass will be tolled if it ever gets the go ahead from Bord Pleanala.

What's totally amazing is that Frank Fahey has a really important job in Transport and of course he knew all this but he never bothered telling his constituents that this was happening at all or why ?????

You may also notice that Frank has pulled his Bypass Website seeing as it looks somewhat unlikely to be built now . Frank does not want any comments about his complete failure in the transport sphere.

Not that I heard anything but I will give the rail corridor two chances of being built with Frank on the case

This news seems rather strange when you consider:

1) The AWC is a major government priority;
2) The N17 Tuam Road carries in excess of 20k pcus/day (in excess of Type 2 DC design capacity!);
3) The N18 carries in excess of 12K pcus/day which is more than many existing NP stretches being by-passed with MIU routes;
4) The N18 Gort to Crusheen and Gort to Athenry schemes were due to start in 3 years but were accelerated this year!;
5) Neither the above N18 schemes or the M17 Tuam to Athenry scheme have been pulled from either the Transport 21, NRA or Galway Co Co websites. I'm just after checking them!;
6) To scrap any part of the AWC would be contrary to the National Spatial Strategy - even with development slowing down sharply.

I think there's something in the air!!!

Regards!

Chris_533976

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I have just been informed that this road is not now proceeding this year or next or any other year UNLESS the NRA can organise a tolled PPP scheme . I know it was announced in January that it would be but that is not the case today .

Same with Gort -Athenry until the Gort - Crusheen scheme status is finalised.

Athenry - Tuam cancelled although this may now mean a Claregalway bypass actually has a chance of being built as a cheap alternative.

Galway Outer Bypass will be tolled if it ever gets the go ahead from Bord Pleanala.

What's totally amazing is that Frank Fahey has a really important job in Transport and of course he knew all this but he never bothered telling his constituents that this was happening at all or why ?????

You may also notice that Frank has pulled his Bypass Website seeing as it looks somewhat unlikely to be built now . Frank does not want any comments about his complete failure in the transport sphere.

Not that I heard anything but I will give the rail corridor two chances of being built with Frank on the case

Who did you hear this from? Not gonna believe it I'm afraid until I hear it from the NRA or the gov. Theres an awful lot of scaremongering going on at the moment and bandwagon jumping, I'd like to know whats going on from the people in charge! I'd email the NRA myself but I've been bugging them recently so I'd better not.

Sponge Bob

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Who did you hear this from? Not gonna believe it I'm afraid until I hear it from the NRA or the gov. Theres an awful lot of scaremongering going on at the moment and bandwagon jumping, I'd like to know whats going on from the people in charge! I'd email the NRA myself but I've been bugging them recently so I'd better not.

The Connaught Tribune already contacted them for you in late April. The NRA told them that they have allocated €20m for the N18 in 2008 to buy up a bit of land and dig up a few oul Crannógs . Its just that the reality is actually a lot worse .

http://www.galwaynews.ie/3586-no-money-gort-bypass


The Atlantic corridor is not a priority at all , otherwise money would be found for it . Noel Dempsey is a consummate liar but I believe the N18 / Atlantic Corridor was a priority in January but that the Atlantic corridor was no longer a priority , much less a Major priority by the following March .

http://www.nra.ie/News/PressReleases/htmltext,11671,en.html

Transport Minister Mr. Noel Dempsey, T.D. and NRA Chairman, Mr. Peter Malone today (25/01/08) announced details of the Government’s €1.68 billion investment in National Roads Programme 2008.

169km of new road construction will commence in 2008.

Projects will include the
27km (N9) Killcullen to Carlow; the
40km (N9) Carlow to Knocktopher; the
36km (N7) Castletown to Nenagh; the
28km (N18) Oranmore to Gort; the
22km (N18) Gort to Crusheen; the
14km (N52) Tullamore Bypass and the
2km (N7) Newlands Cross upgrade.

The ones in Bold have already been cancelled this year and the NRA is now scrabbling around looking for someone to bid for a toll road contract .

Why don't you simply EMAIL the NRA and ask when a contractor will be appointed to build Gort - Ennis and is that 2008 2009 or 2010 .

Chris_533976

I'd email the NRA but I've been bugging them a lot recently and they've been sending me lots of stuff - dont really want to email them again for a bit incase they start ignoring me.

Sponge Bob

Well you can forget about Q4 2008 like they said, they have no money to do the N18 this year and are not in any way sure how they will get it either .

mysterious

Sponge Bob wrote: »

The Connaught Tribune already contacted them for you in late April. The NRA told them that they have allocated €20m for the N18 in 2008 to buy up a bit of land and dig up a few oul Crannógs . Its just that the reality is actually a lot worse .

http://www.galwaynews.ie/3586-no-money-gort-bypass


The Atlantic corridor is not a priority at all , otherwise money would be found for it . Noel Dempsey is a consummate liar but I believe the N18 / Atlantic Corridor was a priority in January but that the Atlantic corridor was no longer a priority , much less a Major priority by the following March .

http://www.nra.ie/News/PressReleases/htmltext,11671,en.html



The ones in Bold have already been cancelled this year and the NRA is now scrabbling around looking for someone to bid for a toll road contract .

Why don't you simply EMAIL the NRA and ask when a contractor will be appointed to build Gort - Ennis and is that 2008 2009 or 2010 .

Ye forgot to bold the newland's cross upgrade, that is not starting this year either... Incompetence of this government actually tires me now, rather than angers me.

spacetweek

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Well you can forget about Q4 2008 like they said, they have no money to do the N18 this year and are not in any way sure how they will get it either .

Sorry Sponge Bob but I'm with Chris_533976 here, I can't believe you until I get some proof.

You say the paper rang the NRA who confirmed that money was allocated for the project; in that case where are you getting this idea that it's cancelled?

I assure you the Atlantic Corridor is a priority and it will get the money it needs because folks in the West are so much better at lobbying for stuff that anyone in Dublin (e.g. Interconnector tunnel not till 2015 but Western Railway is already under construction).

Chris_533976

Plus the Tribune said it was to start Q1 2008, while the NRA told me 6 months ago it would be Q4 2008. And they told me 3 weeks ago it would be Dec 08 or Jan 09.

Times could have changed tho, but I'm not believing that Tribune article. No other Galway paper that I know has reported anything.

I could be wrong tho, but I'd like to see proof outside of the Tribune article.

Sponge Bob

spacetweek wrote: »

Sorry Sponge Bob but I'm with Chris_533976 here, I can't believe you until I get some proof.

You say the paper rang the NRA who confirmed that money was allocated for the project; in that case where are you getting this idea that it's cancelled?

The paper gave you the proof had you a calculator . What exactly can you do between Athenry and Ennis for €20m ??, you most certainly cannot do all the required land purchases never mind land purchases and Archeology .

If you do not own more that a fraction of the land by end 2008 you can hardly build the road in 2009 can you ??

I assure you the Atlantic Corridor is a priority and it will get the money it needs because folks in the West are so much better at lobbying for stuff that anyone in Dublin (e.g. Interconnector tunnel not till 2015 but Western Railway is already under construction).

The Department of Finance has killed it off as a project to be completed by 2015 as envisaged . A few dribs and drabs will be done by 2015 such as the Stranorlar bypass and maybe Athenry - Ennis ( toll) but thats it I'd say !!

It was a priority for a few months in 2007 and then the credit crunch struck the wesht , such is life. Dublin Rail projects have priority post 2010 .

Roads in general do not.

Irish and Proud

Sponge Bob wrote: »

The paper gave you the proof had you a calculator . What exactly can you do between Athenry and Ennis for €20m ??, you most certainly cannot do all the required land purchases never mind land purchases and Archeology.

Maybe the NRA are going for the premium land now as it's set to rise in value over the next few years. Remember the way events are unfolding regarding the world's food market. In any case, buying the land now is a good move, even if the scheme's planning permission lapses - in that case, they'll just have to resubmit the scheme and go through another oral hearing, but the cost of land wouldn't be as big a problem then!

Sponge Bob wrote: »

The Department of Finance has killed it off as a project to be completed by 2015 as envisaged . A few dribs and drabs will be done by 2015 such as the Stranorlar bypass and maybe Athenry - Ennis ( toll) but thats it I'd say !!

It was a priority for a few months in 2007 and then the credit crunch struck the wesht , such is life. Dublin Rail projects have priority post 2010.

Roads in general do not.

Well I wouldn't put my bottom Euro on it mate - we were there in 2002 when the N2 (Finglas to Ashbourne), M3 and even the M50 upgrade was uncertain in light of deteriorating public finances. If there is any upturn which is possible when the MIUs open up, the AWC schemes will be back!

We'll just have to wait and see...

Regards!

Chris_533976

I hope this is fairly true as it should stop a lot of the rumour mill

http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/GalwayCountyCouncil/N18GorttoCrusheen/SchemeName,15104,en.html

N18 Gort to Crusheen
Local Authority: Galway County Council
Start County: Galway
End County: Clare
Description: The proposed N18 Gort to Crusheen scheme consists of 22 km of high quality dual carriageway extending from Ballingers Corner, north of Gort, to Craggard, south of Crusheen, where it ties in with the N18 Ennis bypass.
Mainline Length (km): 22
Current Project Phase: Tender
Major Inter-urban Route: No

Irish and Proud

Chris_533976 wrote: »

I hope this is fairly true as it should stop a lot of the rumour mill

http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/GalwayCountyCouncil/N18GorttoCrusheen/SchemeName,15104,en.html

N18 Gort to Crusheen
Local Authority: Galway County Council
Start County: Galway
End County: Clare
Description: The proposed N18 Gort to Crusheen scheme consists of 22 km of high quality dual carriageway extending from Ballingers Corner, north of Gort, to Craggard, south of Crusheen, where it ties in with the N18 Ennis bypass.
Mainline Length (km): 22
Current Project Phase: Tender
Major Inter-urban Route: No

That is exactly what I was talking about in my other post Chris!

Regards!

Sponge Bob

Chris_533976 wrote: »

I hope this is fairly true as it should stop a lot of the rumour mill

LOL .

Searching around on the Government Tenders site I find

http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=JUN104325

But I also find

Advanced Search Results

For details of the icons used please see Icons Explained.
Search category: N18

Sorry, there are no documents matching your search category.

Which means



NO TENDER


But I would be delighted were that to change anytime in the next year !

Irish and Proud

Sponge Bob wrote: »

LOL .

Searching around on the Government Tenders site I find

http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=JUN104325

But I also find


Which means



NO TENDER


But I would be delighted were that to change anytime in the next year !

Yeah, didn't find anything on the N18 ...but...

Title: N11 Rathnew to Arklow Road Improvement Scheme - Design and Build Construction Contract
Published by: Wicklow County Council
Publication Date: 06/06/2008
Application Deadline: 15/07/2008
Notice Deadline Date: 29/07/2008
Notice Deadline Time: 16:00
Notice Type: Tender
Has Documents: No
Abstract: The design and construction of approximately 16.5 km of new dual carriageway standard National Primary Road linking the N11 Arklow Bypass dual carriageway (completed in 1999) with the N11 Ashford Rathnew Bypass (completed in 2004). The contract also consists of the provision of two grade separated Interchanges near the Beehive Junction and the Jack White’s Junction of the existing N11, the realignment and construction of new sections of the existing N11 to form an all purpose single carriageway road parallel to the dual carriageway and the construction of three overbridges, four underbridges and one cattle underpass. The Contract will also consist of the realignment of Regional and Local Roads, the construction of new local roads and the construction of accommodation roads. The standard dual carriageway cross section is comprised of 4 no. travelling lanes, 2 no. hard shoulders, 2 no. verges and a central reserve. The works also include the design and construction of associated drainage, accommodation works, fencing, ducting, signs, ancillary works, diversions of public and private services, lighting, landscaping and environmental works.
CPV: 45233100, 45233121, 74232200, 45220000, 45221100.


Maybe, that's what should have been listed instead!

Regards!

Sponge Bob

In the current climate nothing short of diggers a digging actually means anything . The NRA is frantically trying to gain political support by appearing to progress lots of jobbies here and there, the N17 contract I linked is not on a preferred route I believe .

I thought geotechnical was only done on a preferred route , this contract is for 5 routes . I may be wrong though and it may be standard practise.

Chris_533976

I take Etenders with a pinch of salt, the tenders for the N25 Kinsale Road GSJ in Cork appeared in April 2008, despite the fact that the thing opened a year previously after a 2 year build.

Chris_533976

Latest news ->

N18 Gort-Crusheen – Design/Build Tenders received 28th April, construction to start 2008
Oranmore-Gort – Design/Build tender submission date September 2008

Still wont be happy till I see diggers on the ground, but a bit of progress anyway.

FWIW the N6 outer bypass and N17 Galway - Tuam are waiting on An Bord Pleanala at the moment. Outer bypass is being fought by hippies but with the N17, the residents of Claregalway will be out with shovels helping the diggers.

Sponge Bob

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Latest news ->

N18 Gort-Crusheen – Design/Build Tenders received 28th April, construction to start 2008

Really ?? , and where is Dempsey getting the money for the N8 Cork contracts that finish earlier than planned this year ??

Oranmore-Gort – Design/Build tender submission date September 2008

This looks doomed , not starting till 2009 even of there was money.

Still wont be happy till I see diggers on the ground, but a bit of progress anyway.

I agree wholeheartedly with that .

FWIW the N6 outer bypass and N17 Galway - Tuam are waiting on An Bord Pleanala at the moment. Outer bypass is being fought by hippies but with the N17, the residents of Claregalway will be out with shovels helping the diggers.

This is wrong, may I explain.

1. The strongest objection to the N6 , presented to the Bord Inspector came from THE GOVERNMENT Parks and Wildlife service. Civil Servants not Hippies.

Its described here

2. N17 / M17 Galway - Tuam is no longer a standalone scheme .

It has been rolled up with the N17 Tuam Bypass and the N17 Tuam - Claremorris schemes and there will be a single hearing by a Bord Pleanala Inspector on the rolled up scheme .....sometime after 2011 if not later seeing as the route selection is not even complete on the Tuam - Claremorris section, much less the design thereof .

While the Galway Tuam section, pompously named the M17 was due to go to hearing in April as you can see here the NRA changed the project scope .

I believe that either the hearing or the report was cancelled by the NRA because it was no longer going ahead as a single scheme .

There is no chance we will see the route from Athenry to Claremorris for another 10 years at least .

gally74

i agree hippies too,

give me a break in any other country the road would be built!

Chris_533976

Early mumblings are around 2010 or 2011 for the N20 to start - that will be Mallow - Croom as its the most needed. 2011 or 2012 for the others to start.

2015 should see the N20 done, be it as a PPP or not

Chris_533976

That lieing scumbag can stay right out of the DoT.

FWIW the N21 Castleisland bypass is on the NRA site at Tender, it appeared around the same time as the N18. Again, not happy till I see diggers on the ground, but I really think there are bigger priorities than the N21, maybe its what politicians shout the loudest.

Sponge Bob

Victor wrote: »

Whether it is one person or a million doesn't change what is right or wrong.

The evidence the Gobernment Scientist gave against the bypass is quite compelling and I am not the one who lumped her in with 'hippies ' am I ??

Personally I want to see the Galway Outer Bypass built along its proposed alignment and personally I want to see it start next year at the latest .

Galway , after all, is the only major Irish City with no bypass built or part built or being built .

Victor

And the Quincentennial Bridge forms part of what?

Sponge Bob

Victor wrote: »

And the Quincentennial Bridge forms part of what?

Its a 1980s bypass planned in the 1970s Victor as was the now properly bypassed Childers Road in Limerick.

It crosses a bog and ends in the Headford Road roundabout FFS

Chris_533976

Its an example of dreadful planning that current 'ring-road' is. No room for grade separation, and the whole idea of the Terryland and Headford road roundabouts are appalling, because ALL traffic has to do a lane swap. Throw in a few major shopping centres and theres your disaster.

If the current ring road had been future proofed from day one (and didnt contain about 7 or 8 roundabouts) the Outer Bypass may not be needed at all.

Sponge Bob

The North Circular Road in Dublin was a bypass once and no doubt could be again Victor with a bit of work

dubhthach

Seen that we are talking about the Quincentennial Bridge, any news on the planned Dualing of Seamus Quirke road through Westside? I recall they did publish the initial plan (was it two years ago) but havn't heard anything bout it in a long time.

dmeehan

Chris_533976 wrote: »

FWIW the N21 Castleisland bypass is on the NRA site at Tender, it appeared around the same time as the N18. Again, not happy till I see diggers on the ground, but I really think there are bigger priorities than the N21, maybe its what politicians shout the loudest.

I'd imagine the the Castleisland Bypass is on Jackie Healy-Rae's infamous list, or at least it will be when he shows up at the opening

Chris_533976

dubhthach wrote: »

Seen that we are talking about the Quincentennial Bridge, any news on the planned Dualing of Seamus Quirke road through Westside? I recall they did publish the initial plan (was it two years ago) but havn't heard anything bout it in a long time.

No news I've got all the plans on my HDD and if they ever build the thing, traffic levels will be above what they propose at the end of life of this upgrade.

It wont even increase traffic capacity much, its just adding bus lanes on each side and some traffic light works.

It also wont happen I reckon, as its not government funded and Galway City Council will never shell out that amount of money in the current climate.

I do think tho that 20 minutes with a screwdriver and a manual on traffic lights would solve a LOT of the problems there. Its just that the current sequences and light positions are woefully designed.