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    #782
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    Pushtrak wrote: »
    I know there are probably a lot of people who don't like the groups on facebook relating to getting so many people to join for whatever reason for whatever date. Nonetheless, there is a link some may be interested in. We CAN and we WILL find 1,000,000 who accept Evolution by June 2011.

    What is the point in these groups, I don't get it?

    It's a great example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum


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    #783
    sonicthebadger*
    Registered Users Posts: 446 ✭✭sonicthebadger*


    liamw wrote: »
    What is the point in these groups, I don't get it?

    It's a great example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

    I suppose it's kind of like saying "Even though your argument holds no water, cause it's silly, it still doesn't support what you're saying".


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    #784
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Galvasean wrote: »
    I wonder is that why Arsenal changed their crest recently (to sell more shirts in the Muslim market?)
    There was some issue with trademark - the old crest was either effectively in the public domain, or somehow easy to make a generic copy of. That was the official reasoning, as far as I recall.


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    #785
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Must have been the public domain thing, because it's a heck of a lot more complex than the new one.


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    #786
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    liamw wrote: »
    What is the point in these groups, I don't get it?

    It's a great example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

    Ah the classic line from some shampoo advert, "2 million women can't be wrong." I always Godwin any conversation when that ad comes on telly. :pac:


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    #787
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    liamw wrote: »
    What is the point in these groups, I don't get it?
    A lot of creationists believe that having lots of people on their side increases their credibility. This group is just reply to that in terms that creationists can understand.

    It adds nothing to the debate.


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    #788
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Good grief. I honestly dont know what to make of this. http://www.shannonside.ie/news-details.php?nid=5922&action=newsdetails


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    #789
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Good grief. I honestly dont know what to make of this. http://www.shannonside.ie/news-details.php?nid=5922&action=newsdetails
    That's incredible. A politician who won't abide being a hypocrite? These agnostics might well save the country from itself. :pac:


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    #790
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Nevore wrote: »
    That's incredible. A politician who won't abide being a hypocrite? These agnostics might well save the country from itself. :pac:

    Whats interesting is that the councillors just regard it as keeping up a tradition, they arent offended on religious grounds. I've often contended that Irish catholicism is more of an ingrained habit than a religion. Just something you do because sure its what ya do!


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    #791
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Whats interesting is that the councillors just regard it as keeping up a tradition, they arent offended on religious grounds. I've often contended that Irish catholicism is more of an ingrained habit than a religion. Just something you do because sure its what ya do!
    Hmm, I'd ascribe different motives. To my mind, they're complaining on the grounds of tradition because they know given the usual mood of the country these days, complaining about stripping Christianity out of public life or whatever, would be met with more ridicule.


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    #792
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    Not to nitpick or anything...
    [...]agnostic says he does not believe in God[...]


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    #793
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Genghiz Cohen wrote: »
    Not to nitpick or anything...

    Yeah. I spotted that.:rolleyes:


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    #794
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Genghiz Cohen wrote: »
    Not to nitpick or anything...

    [...]agnostic says he does not believe in God[...]
    Can you imagine the ruckus if he'd said he was an atheist?

    Angry-mob-300x255.jpg


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    #795
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Dades wrote: »
    Can you imagine the ruckus if he'd said he was an atheist?

    Angry-mob-300x255.jpg

    The brave councillor in question is one Luke 'Ming the merciless' Flanagan who ran on some sort of legalise cannabis stance in the past. Nice beard!!http://www.roscommoncoco.ie/services/corporate/lflanagan.html


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    #796
    legspin
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    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    The brave councillor in question is one Luke 'Ming the merciless' Flanagan who ran on some sort of legalise cannabis stance in the past. Nice beard!!http://www.roscommoncoco.ie/services/corporate/lflanagan.html

    My hero. Not only a godless politician but a pothead to boot ... and he's been made mayor of Roscommon! Priceless.

    I was wondering if he was still about


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    #797
    ColmDawson
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    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Good grief. I honestly dont know what to make of this. http://www.shannonside.ie/news-details.php?nid=5922&action=newsdetails
    Good man. I've had enough of bloody tradition.


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    #798
    magicbastarder
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    Genghiz Cohen wrote: »
    Not to nitpick or anything...
    am nitpicking. an agnostic does not believe in god. if he did believe in god, he would not be an agnostic.

    say i am dubious about string theory as holding the solution to the laws of nature. so it's not a leap to say 'i don't believe string theory is the answer, but (because?) i am keeping an open mind'.


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    #799
    eoin5
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    am nitpicking. an agnostic does not believe in god. if he did believe in god, he would not be an agnostic..

    Of course they can :confused: . I believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may not exist. Maybe everyone who supposedly goes there is brainwashed into thinking its real and all the satellite pics are projections of bond villian proportions. Who can really say for sure?


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    #800
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    am nitpicking. an agnostic does not believe in god. if he did believe in god, he would not be an agnostic.

    Damn, you totally caught me...


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    #801
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,358 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    eoin5 wrote: »
    I believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    four possibilities:
    I believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    I believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    I don't believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may exist.
    I don't believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.

    i can't remember what my point was.


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    #802
    Pygmalion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    four possibilities:
    I believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    I believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    I don't believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may exist.
    I don't believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.

    i can't remember what my point was.

    The point I get is that agnostics can be theists or atheists.

    "Gnostic" Theist: I believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    Agnostic Theist: I believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    Agnostic Atheist: I don't believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may exist.
    "Gnostic" Atheist: I don't believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.

    Inverted commas around Gnostic because no-one ever uses the word.


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    #803
    goingpostal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 858 ✭✭✭goingpostal


    Pygmalion wrote: »
    The point I get is that agnostics can be theists or atheists.

    "Gnostic" Theist: I believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    Agnostic Theist: I believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    Agnostic Atheist: I don't believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may exist.
    "Gnostic" Atheist: I don't believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.

    Inverted commas around Gnostic because no-one ever uses the word.

    My head hurts.


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    #804
    eoin5
    Registered Users Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eoin5


    goingpostal wrote: »
    My head hurts.

    Wait until we through deism in there for good measure :D


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    #805
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Anyone know of any decent RECENT debates online featuring the usual suspects? I've seen a lot of them but haven't seen anything new in a while.


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    #806
    5uspect
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Nah, I've been busy lately.


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    #807
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    Pygmalion wrote: »
    The point I get is that agnostics can be theists or atheists.

    "Gnostic" Theist: I believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    Agnostic Theist: I believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may not exist.
    Agnostic Atheist: I don't believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may exist.
    "Gnostic" Atheist: I don't believe that Australia exists but I don't believe in the possibility that it may not exist.

    Inverted commas around Gnostic because no-one ever uses the word.

    The last one's not possible, you can't disbelieve that something exists then believe that it is impossible that it doesn't exist. I think it should be:
    I don't believe that Australia exists and I don't believe in the possibility that it may exist.


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    #808
    sponsoredwalk
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    Time to get nerdy...

    Statement: If something is a bird, it is an animal".

    Inverse: "If something is not a bird, then it is not an animal."

    Converse: "If something is an animal, then it is a bird."

    Contrapositive: "If something is not an animal, then it is not a bird"

    Contradiction: "There exists a bird that is not an animal"

    contrapositive

    Statement: I believe that Australia exists and actually believe in the possibility that it exists. "Gnostic" Australiyist

    Inverse: I don't believe that Australia exists and I actually don't believe in the possibility that it exists. Atheistic Australiyist

    Converse: I believe in the possibility that Australia exists & I actually believe that it exists. "Gnostic" Australiyist

    Contrapositive: I don't believe in the possibility that Australia exists & I actually don't believe that it exists. Atheistic Australiyist

    Contradiction: I believe that Australia exists but actually don't believe in the possibility that it exists. Hardcore Theist (it's a fact, not a possibility!!!)

    Working within the confines of my superficial knowledge of discrete math I can't fix this one up :( Anyone do any better?

    I'm trying to incorporate:

    I don't believe that Australia exists but actually believe in the possibility that it exists. "Agnostic" Australiyist

    (I'm thinking converse contradiction but it's not actually a contradiction!)

    &

    I believe that Australia exists but I also believe in the possibility that it may not exist. "Skeptical" Australiyist

    into their proper categories...


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    #809
    sponsoredwalk
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Anyone know of any decent RECENT debates online featuring the usual suspects? I've seen a lot of them but haven't seen anything new in a while.

    I think the extras on The Genius of Charles Darwin are great. They are like mini debates & there's like 20 hours altogether, haven't even seen them all yet...

    The Steven Rose & Franz De Waal are my favourites.

    You'll find random Michael Shermer debates on google video with creationists, holocaust deniers etc... lol & PZ Meyers, Steven Pinker etc...

    I love watching any kind of debates so if you have suggestions of old ones you've seen that are kind of obscure or whatever, let us know :D


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    #810
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Breeders in Georgia have successfully crosbred a donkey with a zebra:
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0730/zebra_donkey.html


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    sonicthebadger*
    Registered Users Posts: 446 ✭✭sonicthebadger*


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Breeders in Georgia have successfully crosbred a donkey with a zebra:
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0730/zebra_donkey.html

    A Zonkey? :D

    Doh! I replied before I read the article. Damn my lack of originality!


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