The Hazards of Belief

marienbad

Absolam wrote: »

Someone actually engaged in your discussion? You must be happy out so

I am surprised you are still up ! is it not past your bedtime ?

Absolam

marienbad wrote: »

I am surprised you are still up ! is it not past your bedtime ?

If you want to pretend you're the adult in the room I think you'll need to reconsider using terms like 'official-speak'

marienbad

Absolam wrote: »

If you want to pretend you're the adult in the room I think you'll need to reconsider using terms like 'official-speak'

You have completely lost me at this stage

MrPudding

looksee wrote: »

They should be looking for a Rabbi with a cold sore, or who has cold sores sometimes. No-one should ever go near a new born baby if they have a cold sore.

Really? That's it? Could not go a tiny bit further and maybe say don't put a baby's penis in your fcuking mouth. Ever.

MrP

Hotblack Desiato

http://www.rte.ie/archives/2014/0120/498934-does-god-exist/

‘Would You Believe?’ reports on atheism and agnosticism and the growing acceptance of non-believers in Ireland.

The programme meets people who have opted out of the religion they were born in to. Reporter Gemma MacCrohan meets a baby who is growing up in a non-religious home and looks at what the future holds for him.

From 1994, would you believe (see what I did there?) The undertone of shock! horror! is pretty hilarious. Also using the word 'atheist' (especially when misdefined, as by the narrator in the clip, as belief in the non-existence of god) is too scary but 'agnostic' is OK.

What kind of flute asks an atheist if they ever pray? :rolleyes:

looksee

MrPudding wrote: »

Really? That's it? Could not go a tiny bit further and maybe say don't put a baby's penis in your fcuking mouth. Ever.

MrP

Yes I agree, but I tend to react without reflection when I see references to babies with that particular herpes virus, there is terrible ignorance about the effect on babies of the effects of an apparently harmless cold sore. Been there.

cowboyBuilder

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/archives/2014/0120/498934-does-god-exist/



From 1994, would you believe (see what I did there?) The undertone of shock! horror! is pretty hilarious. Also using the word 'atheist' (especially when misdefined, as by the narrator in the clip, as belief in the non-existence of god) is too scary but 'agnostic' is OK.

What kind of flute asks an atheist if they ever pray? :rolleyes:

Crazy, and its relatively recently...

pauldla

Do we need a 'Hazards of Unbelief' thread, I wonder?

Saudi Man Gets 10 Years, 2,000 Lashes Over Atheist Tweets

A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced a man to 10 years in prison and 2,000 lashes for expressing his atheism in hundreds of Twitter posts.

Al-Watan online daily said Saturday that religious police in charge of monitoring social networks found more than 600 tweets denying the existence of God, ridiculing Quranic verses, accusing all prophets of lies and saying their teachings fueled hostilities.

JPNelsforearm

Burqa clad nanny chops head of kid, carries it down the street whilst shouting the usual refrain..

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/i-am-a-terrorist-nanny-holds-severed-head-of-child-outside-metro-station-34497547.html

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Allahu Akhbar indeed

Hotblack Desiato

pauldla wrote: »

Do we need a 'Hazards of Unbelief' thread, I wonder?

Saudi Man Gets 10 Years, 2,000 Lashes Over Atheist Tweets

Unbelief isn't the problem there...

Absolam

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Unbelief isn't the problem there...

It is certainly hazardous though.

Cabaal

Nelly doing a concert in Kurdistan last year,

Just how do you sing about women taking off all their clothes in a very religious country?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9ot-Bidk4&feature=youtu.be&t=52

Nodin

Cabaal wrote: »

Nelly doing a concert in Kurdistan last year,

Just how do you sing about women taking off all their clothes in a very religious country?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9ot-Bidk4&feature=youtu.be&t=52

.....considering they include an awful lot of Marxists with guns round them parts, I'd imagine it would require eyes on both sides of the hall and a foxhole on the stage.

pauldla

From the Guardian

Russian atheist faces year in jail for denying existence of God during webchat

A man in southern Russia faces a potential jail sentence after he was charged with insulting the feelings of religious believers over an internet exchange in which he wrote that “there is no God”.

PopePalpatine

B-b-but Ukrainian fascists![/Putinbot]

Michael OBrien

pauldla wrote: »

From the Guardian

That has to break the irony meter somewhere. Russia is a 'safe space' for theist feelings now.

Hotblack Desiato

Maybe all those prayers for the 'conversion of Russia' worked :pac:

recedite

Pathological Altruism. Bride for Peace meets Religion of Peace

An Italian woman artist who was hitch-hiking to the Middle East dressed as a bride to promote world peace has been found murdered in Turkey.
The naked body of Giuseppina Pasqualino di Marineo, 33, known as Pippa Bacca, was found in bushes near the northern city of Gebze on Friday.
She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people.

Nodin

recedite wrote: »

Pathological Altruism. Bride for Peace meets Religion of Peace

Thank you for sharing memories of eight years ago. Would you also be as good as to share the reason you believe this had something to do with religion?

Absolam

Sounds a bit like a hazard of believing you can put your trust in the kindness of local people?

Nodin

Absolam wrote: »

Sounds a bit like a hazard of believing you can put your trust in the kindness of local people?

That's a very Christian reading of it, I have to say.

silverharp

hmmmm....

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2016/03/bradford-imam-praises-martyr-who-murdered-anti-blasphemy-law-governor

Bradford imam praises ‘martyr’ who murdered anti-blasphemy law governor
Posted: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:57

An influential British imam has praised the killer of the former governor of Punjab, Salman Taseer, who was murdered in Pakistan in 2011 after calling for reform of the country's blasphemy laws.
Following the carrying out of Mumtaz Qadri's death sentence for the murder, a post on Facebook by the Bradford based Imam Muhammad Asim Hussain, said it was a "dark day in the history of Pakistan; the day … Mumtaz [Qadri] was wrongfully executed and martyred in the way of Allah, when he did what he did in honour of the Prophet."
Asim is described as a "popular Imam and speaker amongst Muslim youth in the UK" and is the founder of a registered youth charity that aims to give young people a "deeper, more positive awareness of their faith". According to his website he "tirelessly travels throughout the UK to inspire the youth to the way of Islam through his lectures".
Imam Asim told his over 100,000 Facbook followers that the murderer was a "true servant of Allah" and a "lion" of Islam and described him as a "ghazi" – a Muslim fighter against non-Muslims.
Nearly four thousand people 'liked' the post and many commented on it endorsing what the imam had said – though other Muslims challenged him.
One response said "Stop teaching your version of Islam. The Islam I've learned promotes peace and love to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Another response said that "what [Qadri] did was right" while others said the man was not a martyr. Other comments said that the murder was wrong but that Salman Taseer, the secular Muslim governor of Punjab, should have faced some form of punishment in Pakistan's judicial system.
Imam Asim added later that "to honour the Prophet … is the greatest of acts, to dishonour him … is the worst of acts".
Salman Taseer was killed in 2011 by his bodyguard, Malik Mumtaz Hussein Qadri. Qadri reportedly shot his victim twenty-six times with a sub-machine gun.
The governor had recently spoken out in support of Asia Bibi, a Christian woman sentenced to death for blasphemy.
Friends said that Taseer knew he was endangering his own life by criticising the blasphemy law.
In 2010 Taseer told the BBC that he wanted to see a "liberal" Pakistan rather than a Pakistan of "darkness and persecution and of cutting off hands and cutting off heads."
Stephen Evans, National Secular Society campaigns manager, said: "Salman Taseer was a brave and principled advocate for religious tolerance in Pakistan. Support for his murderer within Britain, and the religious fanaticism it reveals, paints a disturbing picture of the future of free expression and social cohesion. It's clear that freedoms we have long taken for granted are not universally supported and we're going to need a strong civil society response, including from Muslims, against those promoting this sort of religious fanaticism."
Qadri was executed in Pakistan on 29 February 2016 and vast crowds numbering in the tens of thousands attended his funeral to show their support.
A court in Lahore is expected to decide the fate of Asia Bibi on March 26.

recedite

Closer to home, equally radical Salafist preachers were due to hold "a fatwa session" among other stuff in Dublin over the weekend.

Nodin

recedite wrote: »

Closer to home, equally radical Salafist preachers were due to hold "a fatwa session" among other stuff in Dublin over the weekend.

What is a "fatwa session"?

Why did you post that article about the Italian woman?

Absolam

Nodin wrote: »

That's a very Christian reading of it, I have to say.

Really? I would have thought it was more of a pragmatic one to be honest...

recedite

Nodin wrote: »

What is a "fatwa session"?

If you had gone to the meeting you'd have found out

Nodin wrote: »

Why did you post that article about the Italian woman?

Is this not a thread about the Hazards of Belief?

Nodin

Absolam wrote: »

Really? I would have thought it was more of a pragmatic one to be honest...

I meant "Christian" in the charitable and forgiving sense.

Nodin

recedite wrote: »

If you had gone to the meeting you'd have found out ?

So you haven't a bogs notion but liked the "scarey muslim" tone of it.

recedite wrote: »

Is this not a thread about the Hazards of Belief?

What was the belief?

Absolam

Nodin wrote: »

I meant "Christian" in the charitable and forgiving sense.

Well, no point in speaking ill of the dead in fairness... not of this particular unfortunate optimist anyway.

recedite

Nodin wrote: »

So you haven't a bogs notion but liked the "scarey muslim" tone of it.

I can make an educated guess; Some visiting sharia law experts giving a Q&A session, in which the audience asks what is the correct Islamic response or punishment if x person does or says y thing.
You could interpret that as a kangaroo court sitting, and a parallel justice system operating outside of the laws of the land. Or you could say its a bunch of young muslim students taking advice from their elders, and its none of anyone else's business.

Nodin wrote: »

What was the belief?

The belief that all of us are the same, all basically good, all cultures equally valid, and possibly the old "there is only one god with many names" notion came into it too.
She followed the Balkan migrant route, in reverse. She was fine travelling through the Christian/atheist countries, but only got a few miles into the first Islamic country she encountered. DNA evidence indicated multiple rape; so it wasn't just one perpetrator, it was the infamous tarrarush, which is a phenomenon that has really only come to attention in Europe during the past year.

Negative or skeptical reactions to the circumstances of Bacca's death were common in Turkey, along the lines of "An oddly and ostentatiously dressed woman, hitchhiking alone, in a foreign country—what was she thinking?" However, the Turkish president Abdullah Gul called the Italian president Giorgio Napolitano to express his grief.[9] A commentary in Today's Zaman, while expressing sadness for the woman's death, criticised the supposed obsequiousness of Turkish politicians to "foreigners" in the Bacca case, writing: "Let's face it, if Pippa were a Turk, some people would feel freer to say that a hitchhiking woman deserves to be raped." The columnist argued that local problems such as violence against women should be addressed regardless of Turkey's concern for being shamed before foreigners

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So what are your own views on these issues Nodin, you ask a lot of questions but don't say much yourself?