The Hazards of Belief

robindch

Halal burgers more tasty than expected. Religious people are worried.

http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/fmcg/frozen-halal-lamb-burgers-test-positive-for-pork-in-leicester/343138.article

TheGrocer wrote:

Frozen halal lamb burgers have been withdrawn from schools in Leicester after a batch tested positive for pork DNA.

Leicester City Council said a sample taken from a batch of frozen lamb burgers produced in January by Doncaster-based Paragon Quality Foods had tested positive for pork DNA. A spokeswoman was not immediately able to say how much pork DNA was found but said it was "more than a trace". Further results were expected next week, she added.

Paragon has had a positive release system in place since 1 March, only releasing products once they have tested negative for pork, but the council said it had nevertheless decided to take the burgers off school menus as a precaution and would not be buying further products from Paragon while investigations were pending. "We have made it clear to our suppliers that this is totally unacceptable, and we are taking urgent legal advice about the next steps," said Trevor Pringle, the city council's director of young people's services.

The council has written to the parents of children at the schools affected by the withdrawal, which took place on 19 April, and said it was working with the Federation of Muslim Organisations (FMO) as part of its investigations.Suleman Nagdi of the FMO said Muslims would be "extremely shocked and distressed" to hear pork DNA had been found in halal products. "The FMO is working closely with the local authority and calling on them to take legal action in respect of this contamination and would urge the local authority to instigate criminal proceedings against the company involved under the Food Safety Act," he added. The lamb burger was the only halal product supplied to Leicester schools by Paragon. Leicester City Council said all its other halal products used in schools had tested negative for pork DNA.

In February this year, pork DNA was found in supposedly halal pasties supplied to prisons by McColgan's Quality Foods via 3663.Paragon Quality Foods said it was a pork-free site and had never knowingly bought or handled pork. Previous samples of its products taken unannounced by Doncaster Borough Council had come back clear, it added. "We have carried out a full traceability of the product in question and have provided this information to the relevant enforcement authorities."

Cork Boy

To be fair, regardless of your reasons for not wanting pork in your burgers, if you pay for non-pork burgers you'd damn well better be getting pork-free lamb burgers.

And if they* thought they were getting away with subbing in pork what else might have gone in there?

*whoever did the dubbing

** how terrible are these 'lamb' burgers that you can sneak pork into them? that's another issue that really grinds my gears, cheap crappy processed food***(****)but that's a topic for another day.

***Sat night kebabs excluded...obviously!

****If Terry Pratchett***** can do this so can I!




*****werk!

Hotblack Desiato

DazMarz wrote: »

There was also the infamous "Three Secrets of Fátima": visions of hell, converting the world to Christianity to prevent war and conflict

Yeah isn't it great how the christian nations of Europe have lived in blissful peace and brotherhood for the last 2000 years :rolleyes:

joseph brand

Probably been posted before:
Karni Mata (Temple of Rats) in India

The temple is famous for the approximately 20,000 Black Rats that live, and are revered in, the temple.[3] If one of the rats is killed, it must be replaced with one made of solid gold. Eating food that has been nibbled on by the rats is considered to be a "high honor"

"My my, these rat leftovers are delicious and the pottery's lovely." Dafuq is up with people. Oh yeah, religion and superstition.

seamus

The no doubt rampant cases of Weil's Disease among the pilgrims is probably seen as a religious experience, and the more severe the symptoms, the more intense the revelation.

robindch

In a change to our religious programming, here are some women fighting amongst themselves over religion.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4378516,00.html

YNetNews wrote:

Thousands of female haredi worshipers heed call of community leaders to hold a mass prayer at site to upstage arrival of Women of the Wall; mass brawl erupts.

Haredi worshippers clashed with police in Jerusalem's Old City early Friday in the wake of the court authorization for the Women of the Wall to pray at the Jewish holy site. Thousands of female haredi worshipers arrived at the site, heeding the call of community leaders rabbis Ovadia Yosef and Aharon Leib Shteinman who entreated female Ulpan students to hold a mass prayer at the Western Wall on Friday in an attempt to push aside the Women of Wall prayer set for the same time. However, the rabbis stressed there is no need to act provocatively or violently.

A mass brawl erupted at the site at around 6:30 am, during which garbage, water, coffee and various objects were flung at dozens of Women of the Wall and police forming a human barrier between the female group and the ultra-Orthodox. Three yeshiva students were detained during the clashes. Two police officers were injured lightly. The protest comes in response to a Jerusalem District Court ruling last month, whereby the Women of the Wall may conduct their pluralistic customs in the holy site.

Knesset members Miri Regev (Likud ) and Tamar Zandberg (Meretz ) arrived on the scene. Zandberg described the scenes as "tumultuous and exciting," saying those objecting to the female group's right to pray at the site have shown themselves to be seeking antagonism at any cost. Deputy Jerusalem Mayor Isaac Pindar (United Torah Judaism) branded Women of the Wall "the women of provocation." Pindar told Ynet the thousands of haredi women who came this morning to hold a mass prayer nearby were "the true women of the wall."

Reform Movement CEO Rabbi Gilad Kariv, who also arrived at the site, said the leaders of the haredi public "desecrated the sanctity" of the Western Wall by calling on ultra-Orthodox to confront the Women of the Wall. The Rabbi of the Western Wall Shmuel Rabinovich said "these pictures hurt the eye. The Jewish Torah should unify and I ask the Lord above to give everyone the wisdom to overcome the controversy." He added a compromise regarding the praying sectors at the site was achieved through a Supreme Court ruling over a decade ago, but "a small group nevertheless decided to start the argument all over."

The riot again brings to the fore the issue of religion’s role – and the authority wielded by religious authorities associated with religious practice – in the modern State of Israel. In addition to being portrayed as the epicenter of Jewish prayer, the Western Wall is simultaneously a holy site and a site used for ceremonies such as soldiers’ swearing-in ceremonies and other national activities.

Until now, the site has been run in the manner of an Orthodox synagogue, with a high partition separating men’s and women’s prayer areas. Women coming to attend a bar mitzvah (a coming-of-age ceremony for boys at age 13) have had to climb up on chairs to peek over the partition in order to be part of the festivities.

Women of the Wall's Catherine Leff, 17, whose father is a Conservative rabbi, said the events actually strengthened the group and encouraged the members to sing and pray even louder. She said that at some point the haredim began to spit at the women until police cleared them from the area. According to Leff, the bus which transported the Women of the Wall out of compound was pelted with huge stones, but no one was injured.

Students enrolled in the Reform Movement's pre-military academy were also on hand to support the Women of the Wall. "We arrived from Tel Aviv to show our support," one of them said. "It is also a lesson in democracy, as there is no law that forbids women from praying in this manner." During the prayer, a woman approached the yeshiva students and yelled out "Israel's chief rabbi will be a woman." She was immediately removed from the area by police.

Yaakov, a 21-year-old haredi, said, "What these women are doing is disgraceful and against the Torah. We will continue to fight them. A woman draped in a tallit (prayer shawl) is ridiculous. Jews do not act this way. I am willing to get arrested. Some things justify a violent reaction."

PopePalpatine

Here's a BBC article on fundamentalist Christian "Quiverful" movement, where the only one who can check a father's power is God, and women believe they must give birth even if it threatens their lives.

SebBerkovich

robindch wrote: »

In a change to our religious programming, here are some women fighting amongst themselves over religion.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4378516,00.html

I feel sorry for the Wall - It didn't ask for any of this.

swampgas

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Here's a BBC article on fundamentalist Christian "Quiverful" movement, where the only one who can check a father's power is God, and women believe they must give birth even if it threatens their lives.

Officially, as far as I know, Catholicism has pretty much the same position in terms of having kids. Most Irish "Catholics" don't really care about that though. My mother tells stories from years ago of married women being quizzed by the parish priest when they weren't having an acceptable number of consecutive pregnancies.

Nodin

swampgas wrote: »

Officially, as far as I know, Catholicism has pretty much the same position in terms of having kids. Most Irish "Catholics" don't really care about that though. My mother tells stories from years ago of married women being quizzed by the parish priest when they weren't having an acceptable number of consecutive pregnancies.

Sex for pleasure = Badness. It has to be "pro-creative". For instance if a man was able to stimulate a womans breasts to the extent that she had orgasm, that would be a sin, as its not an act that can result in a child and is inducing pleasure for pleasures sake. It's all rather mental.

Bannasidhe

Nodin wrote: »

Sex for pleasure = Badness. It has to be "pro-creative". For instance if a man was able to stimulate a womans breasts to the extent that she had orgasm, that would be a sin, as its not an act that can result in a child and is inducing pleasure for pleasures sake. It's all rather mental.

HETRO - NORMATIVE!!!!!!

endacl

Bannasidhe wrote: »

HETRO - NORMATIVE!!!!!!

True. Also, the other way round would have been funnier.

Nodin

Bannasidhe wrote: »

HETRO - NORMATIVE!!!!!!

Sorry. I will repent for this by in future spelling women with a "y".

Nodin

bluewolf wrote: »

It would beat the stupid online habit people have of spelling "woman" as "women".
You not included as I assume that was a plural

That was. What people who spell women as womyn do for the singular, I know not.

Bannasidhe

Nodin wrote: »

Sorry. I will repent for this by in future spelling women with a "y".

Yomen?


:pac:

Bannasidhe

Nodin wrote: »

That was. What people who spell women as womyn do for the singular, I know not.

Wombat.

Or at least that was the term I kept using during a particularly annoying meeting with some of my more strident and vocal sistahs.

In my defense they started it by storming into my office and calling me a traitor to my gender because I expressed concerns about Women's Studies becoming an intellectual ghetto during a lecture which was attended by *gasp* male students. My sistahs in academia managed to ignore that I also took took the urine out of male students who snort at the idea of women's history as a valid area of research and pointed out to the class that this tendency at institutional level is the reason Women's Studies exists....I may have promised them their willies wouldn't fall off if they actually learned about some women...or did some ironing/hoovering...

Brian Shanahan

Bannasidhe wrote: »

...or did some ironing/hoovering...

I like ironing! Hoovering, meh. I much prefer the broom (especially as the parents changed the floors from carpets to either stone tiling or wood).

Nodin

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Yomen?


:pac:

There are many alternative spellings, including "womban" and
"womon" (singular),

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womyn
Your "wombat" was close to the mark there.

kiffer

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

I like ironing! Hoovering, meh. I much prefer the broom (especially as the parents changed the floors from carpets to either stone tiling or wood).

I enjoy ironing... However I'm not good at it and it takes me for ever...
I liks sweeping... not sure about hoovering... it's weird.
I hate, with a passion, mopping.

human 19

robindch wrote: »

Halal burgers more tasty than expected. Religious people are worried.

I wonder what would have happened to any kids who had inadvertantly eaten pork in some of the more religious-nuttery inclined countries.

human 19

Aghanistan's parliament refuse to pass a law giving women more rights.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/afghan-parliament-fails-to-pass-divisive-women-s-law-1.1398955

This includes raising the age when a "woman" can be given up for marriage to 16 years of age. One reason cited was that Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq, a pal of Mohammad, married off his daughter at age seven.

So that's alright then.

endacl

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I may have promised them their willies wouldn't fall off if they did some ironing/hoovering...

Seriously? You promise? Right. I'll give it a go tomorrow, but I must warn you, I will be holding you personally responsible if my willy falls off.

Nodin

endacl wrote: »

Seriously? You promise? Right. I'll give it a go tomorrow, but I must warn you, I will be holding you personally responsible if my willy falls off.

It's bravery and self sacrifice like that which drives science and humanity ever onward. I salute you Sir. And your langer.

Bannasidhe

endacl wrote: »

Seriously? You promise? Right. I'll give it a go tomorrow, but I must warn you, I will be holding you personally responsible if my willy falls off.

If it did cause willies to fall off I would not be a grandmother.

endacl

Bannasidhe wrote: »

If it did cause willies to fall off I would not be a grandmother.

Gave it a try. All good so far. Nothing falling off!

robindch

endacl wrote: »

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I may have promised them their willies wouldn't fall off if they did some ironing/hoovering...

Seriously? You promise? Right. I'll give it a go tomorrow, but I must warn you, I will be holding you personally responsible if my willy falls off.

endacl wrote: »

Gave it a try. All good so far. Nothing falling off!

What exactly are you doing with the hoover that might cause your willy to fall off?

endacl

robindch wrote: »

What exactly are you doing with the hoover that might cause your willy to fall off?

Long story...

Gordon

endacl wrote: »

Long story...

No need to brag.

legspin

Gordon wrote: »

No need to brag.

Or lie for that matter...

endacl

legspin wrote: »

Or lie for that matter...

...!