IRL: 2X16 - "The Whole Truth" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN "THE WHOLE TRUTH" -

Episode Title: "The Whole Truth"
Airdate: May 29th 2006

Synopsis (from TV.com):

Sun comes to the revelation that she might be pregnant. She struggles on whether to tell Jin about the situation. Meanwhile, with no success from Jack or Sayid, Ana-Lucia is called in by Locke to interrogate the new prisoner Henry Gale to get more information out of him about the balloon that he and his wife supposedly landed on the island with in the forest. Ana-Lucia, Sayid and Charlie then set out in towards the jungle in search of that balloon.

Next Episode: 2X17 - "Lockdown" - June 5th 2006

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Link to US Discussion thread for this episode!

Crucifix

7

Good solid episode. After Sayid being ready to kill some others, and that ending I can't wait for next weeks.

Necronomicon

4

Hmm, with that title you might hope we'd get some answers

Pretty weak episode I thought. Although I did enjoy Henry Gale's little speech at the end, about the hypothetical (or is it?) situation of Sayid, Anna Lucia and Charlie being ambushed. Nice enough way to end it.
But I didn't think that was enough to call it a particularly good episode. Jin and Sun's back stories tend to be boring imo.

I really don't like seeing the next episode title, it sounds good! I put it through the search and all the votes were at the higher end of the scale. Looking forward to it!

pokerwidow

7

Good show. Judy Bloom, 'Are you there God, its me Margaret' or something like that. Lmoa. I read that as a child. Freaky ending or what?
Thank you for posting the link to the US thread.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

7

i quite liked the episode. i dont know, i seem to like the episodes where not much happens. i was there thinking it was real predictable(which it was for most) and my theory was that sayid is gonna find the balloon and not tell anyone and then kill your man anyway, now i'm not so sure. The end was a bit of a shock, hes a crafty wee bollocks that henry chap

oh yeah and locke saying "now theres soemone in MY hatch", or words to that effect. Main thing is that he considers it to be his hatch

gustavo

7

good episode i thought . cant wait for next week, ive seen lots of good things about it!charlies comment about "and i'm telling this to you" to ana lucia was priceless, henry gale is a real sinister character has a great ability to unsettle the group. does anyone know what the last thing sayid said to ana lucia when they were having the conversation about her being sorry for what she did ? i missed that . all in all good episode 8 on 10.

NUTZZ

6

I thought this was an average episode. I'm not really keen on Jin/Sun's flashbacks, I find them quite boring. Henry's comments about taking orders from Jack has hit a nerve spot with Locke, he seems to be taking actions just to irritate Jack, Ana-Lucia's comment, "Jack and Locke are worried about Locke and Jack" was priceless. I really like the last scene with Henry, he's turning into a great characher, the look on Jack and Locke's face when he started ranting about 'if' he was an "other". Looking forward to next week's episode...

JBoyle4eva

7

I quite liked it. I suppose we needed a breather before the climatic last few eps. It was a nice way to go with this, shrouding Jin's pregnanc in mystery of "Is the hotel guy the father?" and also what has happened to Charlie, Ana0Lucia and Sayid?

Henry's character is extremely enetertaining. I suspect he could be one of the other's now he's manuplating everyone.

i gave this an 8, mostly because I felt that the flashback's weren't that entertaining this week.

Faith

6

Some good humour in this episode:

Sawyer reading "Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret".

Hurley running into Sun in the jungle.

Henry's speech at the end

prospect

5

Average episode, Suns pregnancy could have been just as easily a secondary story in a better episode. Also, they are on the island over two months now, so I doubt the Hotel guy is the father, as she would have most likely been sick earlier in her pregnancy, Michael maybe???!!! Or is Jins impotence cured, like Lockes legs, or Charlies addiction?

Henrys speech was good, but I thought the comment he made about Jack & Locke always fighting could have a positive effect. It is the first time it has been put to them that they are being idiots.

I gave it a 6.

biko

5

prospect wrote:

Or is Jins impotence cured, like Lockes legs, or Charlies addiction?

I'm thinking this too.

MeTV

prospect wrote:

Or is Jins impotence cured, like Lockes legs, or Charlies addiction?

That was my original thinking as well, but then, after Sun tells Jin that she wasn't unfaithful to him and they hug, she looked very uncomfortable, as though she's just lied to him. Jin did seem far too willing to believe her about that too - if your wife's just told you she's pregnant and you're impotent, is a miracle really the logical assumption you're going to jump to?

Earthhorse

Jin isn't impotent guys, just infertile, there's a difference.

A few things about this episode:
- Charlie is getting ever more sinister.
- Anna Lucia had the best line.
- They should stop using Hurlery for comic relief. That scene in the jungle was just so forced.
- Jin can't make up his mind. About anything.

Finally, I can't make up my mind about Henry Gale. Either he's a really manipulative other or a really naive innocent. All won't be revealed in time, I'm sure.

MeTV

I'm with you Earthhorse - at the moment I don't believe Henry is an Other, I think his manipulation of the survivors is simply a ploy to get them at each others' throats so that he can try and get away from them while they're distracted. Also, I really don't trust Danielle so am very wary of taking anything we learn from her to be true.

Anyone else find it odd that Sun asked Jin to give her 20 minutes in the garden? Most people would have simply said 15 minutes or quarter of an hour if putting a time on it, seemed strange to me that she was that specific with the time.

And, was I the only one a bit peeved by Ana's assumption that Charlie didn't know how to handle a gun when we've seen he was pretty handy with it when dealing with Ethan?

loon

MeTV wrote:

That was my original thinking as well, but then, after Sun tells Jin that she wasn't unfaithful to him and they hug, she looked very uncomfortable, as though she's just lied to him. Jin did seem far too willing to believe her about that too - if your wife's just told you she's pregnant and you're impotent, is a miracle really the logical assumption you're going to jump to?

they've been on the island longer than her pregnancy period so far... maybe charlie slipped her a length when he knocked her out???

Earthhorse

loon wrote:

they've been on the island longer than her pregnancy period so far... maybe charlie slipped her a length when he knocked her out???

Just think about that for a second.

MeTV wrote:

I'm with you Earthhorse

Cool. How long will it take you to build me an army?

Dades

4

Distinctly average for me.
It shouldn't take 50 mins (okay more like 35) to find out Sun is pregnant with a mystery child and Henry drew them a map to his balloon.

I'm starting to think the other faceless survivors must have more interesting lives, even if there's only a bit actual conversation or sex going on.

Necronomicon

4

Thinking about it a bit more, I really don't think Sun's baby is Michael or baldy's (anyone remember his name??)
If you remember when she goes to talk to Jack and he confirms it, she claims that it's "impossible". At this stage we were still under the impression that Sun was the one who was infertile so this comment wasn't a surprise. But she obviously wouldn't think it's impossible if she slept with anyone else.

MeTV

Necromomicon wrote:

anyone remember his name??

Jae Lee.

prospect

5

impotent v infertile - my mistake.

To continue,
Yes, I do think the baby is Jins. As pointed out, Suns reaction to Jack would suggest that she had not been unfaithful.

Also, regarding Henry Gale, it is possible that he thinks Jack & Locke & Co. are others! (but I doubt it, he is too confident and sinister)

What annoyed me most about this episode is there was absoloutly no mention or link or continuation of the revelations in last weeks EXCELLENT episode. Why did someone not go back and investigate the new hatch further? Why did they not discuss Claires memories? Why? Why? Oh dear god why?

On the plus side, it has been soooo long since we heard "But, they took mah boy"

MeTV

The other possibility for Sun's claim that her pregnancy was impossible is that she was unfaithful but they'd taken precautions against her beoming pregnant.

The more I think about it, though, and the more I discuss it with other people the more I want to put my stock in the island curing Jin's infertility. However, if we are to go with the theory of the island having healing powers, why hasn't it fixed James' eyesight?

Cooee

Far and away the worst episode. Just a filler - nothing happens, story doesn't move, no character development. I gave it a 1 as there was no lower score.
The whole eposide could have happened in 5 minutes. Sun pregnant, Henry draws a map!
And that was it - this is beginning to border on the ridiculous :mad:

You could have missed this episode and my summary would have brought you up to speed! They need to get their act together!

trishw78

8

liked this episode I don't really buy the whole Jin being cured. I'm really liking the way Henry is playing everyone. I liked the end where he was sitting at the table saying is that ceral is it in date where did it come from, why aren't you more curouis. Spot on why aren't they asking more questions about the hatch

Oh and he knows what the computer is for did you see his eyes fixate on it

loon

they've been on the island 50 odd days and she's only just late... surely somebody would've noticed sun sleeping around... mainly jin!!

i think vincent is the father...

MIGWAR-DWP

yOU BLAME VINCENT FOR EVERYTHING. i THINK YOU'VE REACHED THE SAME POINT AS ME:

aLL THE EXPLANATIONS FOR STUFF ARE RUBBISH AND THE WHOLE SHOW HAS NO SOUL ANY MORE...

i'LL WATCH SEASON TWO TIL THE FINALE, BUT IF

IT TURNS INTO A LOVE STORY

, I'M NOT GONNA WATCH SEASON THREE...

UNLESS THEY FINALLY

EXPLAIN THE BLACK ROCK, POLAR BEAR AND PILOT'S DEATH PROPERLY

loon

MIGWAR-DWP wrote:

yOU BLAME VINCENT FOR EVERYTHING. i THINK YOU'VE REACHED THE SAME POINT AS ME:

aLL THE EXPLANATIONS FOR STUFF ARE RUBBISH AND THE WHOLE SHOW HAS NO SOUL ANY MORE...

i'LL WATCH SEASON TWO TIL THE FINALE, BUT IF

IT TURNS INTO A LOVE STORY

, I'M NOT GONNA WATCH SEASON THREE...

UNLESS THEY FINALLY

EXPLAIN THE BLACK ROCK, POLAR BEAR AND PILOT'S DEATH PROPERLY

WHAT! sun and vincent.. now thats just sick.. i've heard of koreans eating dogs.. but dogs eating koreans??

dream brother

Earthhorse wrote:

A few things about this episode:
- Charlie is getting ever more sinister.

I think Charlie is just trying to survive on the island.....aren't they all.....but with Charlie, he's been made out to be a fool in front of everyone. He definitely has the funnest lines and the bit when he was gonna hand over the gun to Ana but take it away at the last minute to give it to Sayid was hilarious!
Definitely a bit weird though, maybe moody....

Fuzzy_Dunlop

7

oh another thing i noticed was that when Henry and AL were talking in the hatch Jack couldnt hear them but in an earlier episode Henry said that he could hear everything cos the walls were like paper, this could contibute to the theory of his super-human 'other' hearing abilities or just mean that they weren't talking when Jack was trying to hear them

MeTV

Yup, noticed that as well but I'm going to go with a continuity screw up on the part of creative there as, when Sayid was in there with Henry, they could be heard outside the safe.

Earthhorse

I'm also throwing my hat in the "Island cured Jin" ring.

On the US thread they were speculating that the Dharma Initiative were responsible for the pregnancy with reference to Locke's mother's "immaculate conception", which is also a theory worth considering.

TarfHead

MIGWAR-DWP wrote:

..
i'LL WATCH SEASON TWO TIL THE FINALE, BUT IF

IT TURNS INTO A LOVE STORY

, I'M NOT GONNA WATCH SEASON THREE...

Well, if this is to be believed, you're about to get your life back .

Necronomicon

4

loon wrote:

WHAT! sun and vincent.. now thats just sick.. i've heard of koreans eating dogs.. but dogs eating koreans??

That made me laugh....not a very plausible theory though!

seabee

Anyone know if and when it's being repeated this week?

Huggles

I thought it was a very average episode, Charlie is turning very nasty. Grr!

TarfHead

seabee wrote:

Anyone know if and when it's being repeated this week?

Yes - see my post here

prospect

5

Okay, this is a bit wild but.....

Is it possible that Jack & Locke are not asking questions because they already know the answers?

Maybe they knew the 'crash' was going to happen.
Maybe they only found out what is happening while they were spending time in the hatch, and are sworn/threathened to secrecy, or have decided it is best not to tell the remaining survivors.
Maybe Jack thinks Locke doesn't know & Vice Versa.

Or MAYBE, all of the above is wayyyyyaaayyayayay off the mark!

loon

surely.. if they knew the crash was gonna happen, they'd not have got on the plane.

MIGWAR-DWP

MAYBE, BUT IF THEY KNEW THEY'D SURVIVE AND POSSIBLY DISCOVER A BIG FOOT, I RECKON THEY STILL WOULD GET ON THE PLANE...

i KNOW I WOULD...

MIGWAR-DWP

MAYBE, BUT IF THEY KNEW THEY'D SURVIVE AND POSSIBLY DISCOVER A BIG FOOT, I RECKON THEY STILL WOULD GET ON THE PLANE...

i KNOW I WOULD...

MIGWAR-DWP

My Pc Thought That Was So Funny It Posted It Twice...

Sorry

prospect

5

A big foot?

Did I miss something...


RE: the crash, It has been suggested that it could have been staged, and that the memories of the plane crashing were implanted into the minds of the survivors....

weemcd

5

what were charlie and sayid building when anna lucia came ove? Im probably missing something glaringly obvious, but i coulndt think what it was?

Santa Claus

loon wrote:

surely.. if they knew the crash was gonna happen, they'd not have got on the plane.

Well Locke would have still gotten on the plane, as whatever confined him to the wheelchair was cured during the crash !

MIGWAR-DWP

Sorry all.

My post should have read:

MAYBE, BUT IF THEY KNEW THEY'D SURVIVE AND POSSIBLY DISCOVER

A BIG FOOT

, I RECKON THEY STILL WOULD GET ON THE PLANE...

i KNOW I WOULD...

Sorry again....:rolleyes:

danniemcq

omg you mean you can actually type lowercase.

thank you superman

Evil_Bilbo

think about the structure of every episode. These memories only seem to be coming back to the people as they experience life on the Island (true for that claire episode). Perhaps these memories are just being implanted while they are there, and motivate them to behave in a certain way against certain obstacles they are currently facing on the island. (dont tell me what i cant do etc)

They were merely a group of "others" (or ordinary people) who had their memories erased and woke up beside a burning plane with all these memories coming to them as they spent more time on the island. Pretty fecking unlikely I know, but it would explain Locke's legs being "fixed" (ie he was never in a wheelchair in the first place).

Any of ye seen that movie Dark City? Its on that buzz (except one guy just cant remember anything due to a botched memory implant).

Decent enough episode, but a return to form of nothing happening and nothing being explained - which is so fcuking annoying having to wait another week to find out anything.

Next episode (lockdown) is directed by darren aronofsky (pi, requim for a dream), so hopefully it'll be a return to the wierd side of things, and get us all back on locke's side.

MIGWAR-DWP

danniemcq wrote:

omg you mean you can actually type lowercase.

thank you superman

IF THAT WAS DIRECTED AT ME I BELIEVE YOU CAN BITE MY SHINY METAL ASS...

danniemcq

no i aimed it at the guy 2 computers down from you with the spiky hair. of course it was you who else is that annoying?

MIGWAR-DWP

danniemcq wrote:

no i aimed it at the guy 2 computers down from you with the spiky hair. of course it was you who else is that annoying?

I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE YOUR PERIOD?

FORGET TO TAKE YOUR PROZAC?

JUST AN ARSE??

GET OVER IT....

TALK TO ME AGAIN WHEN YOU GET PAST PUBERTY

loon

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh.... HANDBAGS.. and moon rags...

MeTV

Wee, Charlie joked about it being a dining table but I think it's being left up to our imaginations for now. Look to me like the beginings of some form of more permanent shelter.

Migwar, can you turn your caps lock off, please?