Kunle begins his battle against deportation

Heinrich

And the winner is...



...Solicitors

Ann O'Loughlin

Olukunle (Kunle) Elukanlo yesterday began his legal battle to prevent his deportation from Ireland.

Lawyers for the 21-year- old Nigerian, who has been living at Palmerstown in Co Dublin, claimed before the High Court that deportation would infringe his constitutional rights and that of his new born son.

Kunle's Counsel, Cormac O' Dulachain SC, told the court that if he was deported he could not have a meaningful relationship with his son Adam as he he has no home in Nigeria or means of providing for him.

Kunle's said his own father was killed and that he had lost contact with his mother and extended family.

Counsel said he is seeking a declaration that the deportation will infringe his rights both under the Irish constitution and the European Convention of Human Rights.

Louisiana

Kunle has been very lucky to have such publicity about his case. i think the campaigns by his friends and school mates where a great idea the last time around. im not sure if his case is a strong this time. does he have a job? a permanent place to live? i have heard recently of his criminal conviction, thats not gonna help the cause. it would be a shame to see a young father separated from his child. Kunle has a much tougher battle ahead this time around.

nuttz

*Fact 1: Illegal entry into the country, without visa or proper assylum status.
Fact 2: Attempting to withdraw money from a bank account with a forged passport
Fact 3: Motor traffic offences
Fact 4: Deported legally
Fact 5: 6 month extension to stay in country
Fact 6: Further Motor traffic offences
Fact 7: 1 year driving ban for last motor traffic offences

Fact 8: Deportation for good: when???

*feel free to modify as further criminal offences are added to the list.

Hobbes

Do we keep having to open up new threads on the same topic? Or just post in Politics or humanities.

nuttz wrote:

*Fact 1: Illegal entry into the country, without visa or proper assylum status.
Fact 2: Attempting to withdraw money from a bank account with a forged passport

Fact1 is bull and Fact2 as I recall he had nothing to do with.

Fact 8: Deportation for good: when???

Soon I hope.

L5

nuttz wrote:

*Fact 1: Illegal entry into the country, without visa or proper assylum status.
Fact 2: Attempting to withdraw money from a bank account with a forged passport
Fact 3: Motor traffic offences
Fact 4: Deported legally
Fact 5: 6 month extension to stay in country
Fact 6: Further Motor traffic offences
Fact 7: 1 year driving ban for last motor traffic offences

Fact 8: Deportation for good: when???

*feel free to modify as further criminal offences are added to the list.

The sooner this chancer is deported the better

nuttz

Hobbes wrote:

Do we keep having to open up new threads on the same topic? Or just post in Politics or humanities.

Fact2 as I recall he had nothing to do with.

No, we should just have the same thread, Hobbes your're a mod, you tell them, sort it out.

Re: Fact two, so the public know: http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1374121&issue_id=12319

sharkman

Hobbes wrote:

Do we keep having to open up new threads on the same topic? Or just post in Politics or humanities.



Fact1 is bull and Fact2 as I recall he had nothing to do with.



Soon I hope.

How is fact 1 bull ????

ven0m

Hobbes wrote:

Fact1 is bull and Fact2 as I recall he had nothing to do with.

Soon I hope.

Using a forged passport knowingly or not is still a crime.

See, I don't mind thee being immigrants or asylum seekers, but what gets me is NO-ONE seems to remember that the Geneva Convention or whatever it is that guides the "rules" on Asylum seeking says 'the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY'. Someone explain how Ireland is the FIRST safe country?????????



::: ven0mous :::

Hobbes

ven0m wrote:

Using a forged passport knowingly or not is still a crime.

From what I recall of the incident. He didn't use the passport. Another guy did. All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

See, I don't mind thee being immigrants or asylum seekers, but what gets me is NO-ONE seems to remember that the Geneva Convention or whatever it is that guides the "rules" on Asylum seeking says 'the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY'. Someone explain how Ireland is the FIRST safe country?????????

There is no international law that says you must seek asylum in the first safe country.

How is fact 1 bull ????

When you enter a country and ask for Asylum you don't get a "proper asylum status" prior to that. There is no illegality in that. I would be interested to know how he first entered the country as I couldn't find that and some people here seem to know.

nutzz wrote:

Re: Fact two, so the public know: http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=12319

For the love of God can people even read the links they are posting. Your own link shows that he didn't use a fake passport.

From your link...
Kunle has also previously had a run-in with gardai when he was arrested last year after an acquaintance allegedly tried to withdraw cash using a forged passport.

Heinrich

Hobbes wrote:

From what I recall of the incident. He didn't use the passport. Another guy did. All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

Illegally driving the car presumably!:rolleyes:

nuttz

Hobbes wrote:

All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

by chance was he driving without a licence, tax or insurance?

I have to laugh at the above quote, it really sums up everything about him. (not Hobbes, I mean Kunle)

tintinr35

how does he have any constitutional right if he is not an irish citizen???
why did he come here in the first place, i had presumed he came with his mother and father but clearly not, i mean who was he livin with??
he is totally taking the piss tho at this stage

Hobbes

nuttz wrote:

by chance was he driving without a licence, tax or insurance?

I have to laugh at the above quote, it really sums up everything about him.

Again read the bloody link you posted. He was charged for not having his GNIB ID card on him at that time.

tintinr35 wrote:

why did he come here in the first place, i had presumed he came with his mother and father but clearly not, i mean who was he livin with??
he is totally taking the piss tho at this stage

His father was killed and his asylum claim was he had no family left back in Nigeria, and yes he is taking the piss at this stage.

Heinrich

tintinr35 wrote:

how does he have any constitutional right if he is not an irish citizen???
why did he come here in the first place, i had presumed he came with his mother and father but clearly not, i mean who was he livin with??
he is totally taking the piss tho at this stage

There is a grey area surrounding how exactly the guy landed on our hallowed shores. The same grey area encompasses how he got the car in which he has been caught driving illegally.

You will now be bombarded with *Googled facts* by Hobbes.

Guru Maith Agut

Hobbes wrote:

All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

Illegally, without Insurance, Tax and a LEGAL DOCUMENT called a DRIVING LICENCE.
It makes me sick to hear people standing up for him. If I had none of the above I'd expect to be given a mandatory jail sentence!! He is a decieving chancer and deserves to be sent back. End of! What if he had caused an accident and killed somebody in the process? Would they be pleading his case then?? I think not :mad:

sharkman

Asylum, represents a nation's sacrifice of part of its sovereignty over immigration for humanitarian reasons, in order to offer protection to people (usually illegal aliens) who are fleeing genuine persecution. It is a kind of humanitarian pardon, or amnesty, for people who have broken the immigration law and have no other reason to be admitted into the country.

Was he being persecuted in his own country ???

If people who could have applied for protection elsewhere are allowed to enter into the asylum system, the curbs on a nation's sovereignty implicit in asylum can no longer be justified.

Hobbes

Heinrich wrote:

You will now be bombarded with *Googled facts* by Hobbes.

Yea heaven forbid we get spammed with fiction pulled out of peoples backsides .

MorningStar

Hobbes wrote:

From what I recall of the incident. He didn't use the passport. Another guy did. All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

Driving it without insurance or licence

Hobbes wrote:

There is no international law that says you must seek asylum in the first safe country.

THere are international agreements however and he could have asked for asylumn in the first country with such an agreement instead of passing through them and then asking here.

Hobbes wrote:

When you enter a country and ask for Asylum you don't get a "proper asylum status" prior to that. There is no illegality in that. I would be interested to know how he first entered the country as I couldn't find that and some people here seem to know.

Your case is heard and you are allowed stay. It is impossible to get here from nigeria directly so explain how he did it? You keep avoiding this by just saying how do you know he didn't make it directly. We know becasue it appears impossible. Explain how it is possible to make it here directly

Hobbes wrote:

For the love of God can people even read the links they are posting. Your own link shows that he didn't use a fake passport.

From your link...
Kunle has also previously had a run-in with gardai when he was arrested last year after an acquaintance allegedly tried to withdraw cash using a forged passport.

Valid point but crimianl links are enough to kick people out of the country as far as I am concerned. A guest should act correctly

Heinrich

Hobbes wrote:

Yea heaven forbid we get spammed with fiction pulled out of peoples backsides .

Ther is a slight detioration in the quality of the argument:rolleyes:

HelterSkelter

nuttz wrote:

Re: Fact two, so the public know: http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1374121&issue_id=12319

nuttz wrote:

Fact 2: Attempting to withdraw money from a bank account with a forged passport

Think your "facts" are not as factual as you'd like us to believe. From the Irish Independent article you linked to...

Irish Independent wrote:

Kunle has also previously had a run-in with gardai when he was arrested last year after an acquaintance allegedly tried to withdraw cash using a forged passport.

He was charged with not carrying his official ID card.

nuttz

Hobbes wrote:

Again read the bloody link you posted. He was charged for not having his GNIB ID card on him at that time.

and he just coincidentally happened to be there, ... no. He is guilty as sin.

Yes, you are right he is taking the piss, and yes he should be sent back home.

If he had gone about things the right way, abiding by the law there would more than likely have been a case for him to stay in the country:

Hobbes wrote:

His father was killed and his asylum claim was he had no family left back in Nigeria, and yes he is taking the piss at this stage.

Hobbes

Thank you Helter. Glad to see someone actually read the article.

To all the muppets going on about he was arrested then for no tax/insurance it was a seperate incident.

Also he was only ever arrested once for No tax/insurance (and incidently no license and no NCT on the car as well).

nutzz wrote:

and he just coincidentally happened to be there, ... no. He is guilty as sin.

You hear that banging noise? That is me slamming my head off a wall wondering why the fuk you aren't even reading your own links. Notice the "acquaintance allegedly".

tbh

Guru Maith Agut wrote:

Illegally, without Insurance, Tax and a LEGAL DOCUMENT called a DRIVING LICENCE.
It makes me sick to hear people standing up for him. If I had none of the above I'd expect to be given a mandatory jail sentence!!

you wouldn't tho, would you? You'd hope you'd get off with a ban and/or fine. Just like everyone else in the country. For myself, I think he's been a bit silly. If someone invites you into their home, you don't do anything that'll get you kicked out, you keep your head down and your nose clean. Mind you, he's 19, and he's got no-one. Seems cruel to throw him out now - if the Government decide he's no right to be here, he should be on the plane back within 24 hours of arriving. It's not his fault, it certainly isn't his kids. Can't we all just get along?

nuttz

Hobbes wrote:

Thank you Helter. Glad to see someone actually read the article.

To all the muppets going on about he was arrested then for no tax/insurance it was a seperate incident.

Also he was only ever arrested once for No tax/insurance (and incidently no license and no NCT on the car as well).

You hear that banging noise? That is me slamming my head off a wall wondering why the fuk you aren't even reading your own links. Notice the "acquaintance allegedly".

Question:
What was himself and his aquantance doing trying to withdraw money with a forged passport?

(simple logic, this one is not really too hard)
I'll give you a hint, it's one of the 10 commandments,
I'll give you most of the sentence:
Thou shall not S*e*L
the second letter is T and the fourth letter is A


and you are talking about muppets, come'on now!

Repli

tbh wrote:

you wouldn't tho, would you? You'd hope you'd get off with a ban and/or fine. Just like everyone else in the country. For myself, I think he's been a bit silly. If someone invites you into their home, you don't do anything that'll get you kicked out, you keep your head down and your nose clean. Mind you, he's 19, and he's got no-one. Seems cruel to throw him out now - if the Government decide he's no right to be here, he should be on the plane back within 24 hours of arriving. It's not his fault, it certainly isn't his kids. Can't we all just get along?

No, he's "20", or "21", or whatever he's telling people now, I heard in reality he's closer to 30..

Hobbes

nuttz wrote:

Question:
What was himself and his aquantance doing trying to withdraw money with a forged passport?

for the last time.

HE WAS NOT TRYING TO WITHDRAW MONEY WITH A FORGED PASSPORT, HE WAS ARRESTED FOR NOT HAVING HIS ID CARD ON HIM. READ YOUR OWN LINK FFS.

please don't make me go to a bigger font.

Repli wrote:

No, he's "20", or "21", or whatever he's telling people now, I heard in reality he's closer to 30..

He would be 20 or 21 as he was 19 last year around the time of the deportation. From pictures that would be correct.

miju

ven0m wrote:

Using a forged passport knowingly or not is still a crime.

See, I don't mind thee being immigrants or asylum seekers, but what gets me is NO-ONE seems to remember that the Geneva Convention or whatever it is that guides the "rules" on Asylum seeking says 'the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY'. Someone explain how Ireland is the FIRST safe country?????????



::: ven0mous :::

what your talking about is the Dublin Convention and Dublin II the Geneva Convention is what sets out defines what a genuine refugee

hobbes wrote:

Again read the bloody link you posted. He was charged for not having his GNIB ID card on him at that time.

they can be detained for not have their ID card but has soon as they've confirmed their ID and corss referenced they'd be let go, he would be charged with not having his ID card that's bull

MorningStar wrote:

Valid point but crimianl links are enough to kick people out of the country as far as I am concerned. A guest should act correctly

not just as far as your concerned as far as the immigration act 1999 is concerned also

nuttz

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/71213



"On the latter occasion he
was detained with two other
Nigerians at Dublin Airport
after one of the others alleg-
ediy tried to withdraw cash
using a forged passport.
Kunie told gardai he had
not known the chief suspect
in the case, although he had
been speaking to him
moments before they were
arrested. The chief suspect
produced a false Dutch pass-
port at the bureau and
attempted to have the €200
paid to him from the
account of an English man.
The teller became suspi-
cious and alerted airport
police. All there were subse-
quently arrested.
Kunie was charged with
not carrying his official ID
card and spent the night in
custody before being
released. He has denied any
involvement in the fraud bid
and said a friend he was
with knew the other man.
Weeks before being
stopped at the Killiney
checkpoint, Kunie told Hot
Press magazine of his
exhaustive list of parties
after his return. "F***ing
hell, it's mad," he revealed.
But he added that he
needs to keep a low profile
to remain here. "The Govern-
ment is watching me now, I
have to take things easy and
not do anything stupid."
Minister Michael McDow-
ell reversed a decision to
deport Kunie in March fol-
lowing a campaign by pals.
He was granted a six-
month visa to return, which
expires at the end of Septem-
ber."

HelterSkelter

nuttz wrote:

Question:
What was himself and his aquantance doing trying to withdraw money with a forged passport?

Nuttz, stop lying to make your point. The article clearly states that it was his aquantance who was trying to withdraw money with the false passport. If you were walking down the street with your friend and he smacked someone in the face does that make you guilty?

I don't have any sympathy for Kunle to be honest but I think if you are trying to make a case against him at least be honest and stop distorting the facs.

nuttz

HelterSkelter wrote:

Nuttz, stop lying to make your point. The article clearly states that it was his aquantance who was trying to withdraw money with the false passport. If you were walking down the street with your friend and he smacked someone in the face does that make you guilty?

I don't have any sympathy for Kunle to be honest but I think if you are trying to make a case against him at least be honest and stop distorting the facs.

Accessory

Hobbes

nuttz wrote:

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/71213

Oh for the love of god.. please keep posting links but try reading them. That just backs up your previous link and he was never charged as an Accessory.

Hobbes

miju wrote:

they can be detained for not have their ID card but has soon as they've confirmed their ID and corss referenced they'd be let go, he would be charged with not having his ID card that's bull

Correct. I meant "Arrested" rather then charged.

miju

aye i figured that was what you meant, just wanted to make sure no-one else reading the thread thought differently

jsr

The sad fact of the matter is that is makes no legal difference to his application that he is now the father of an Irish child. While is would be a shame to break a family, an unmarried father has no rights to his children unless a mutual consent form is signed by the mother.
(not a hint to his mrs in anyway!:D ) And that mostly deals with visiting/support. So his new reason is at best weak, and thats if the form has been signed.

Hobbes

jsr wrote:

And that mostly deals with visiting/support. So his new reason is at best weak, and thats if the form has been signed.

Even if it was signed it would probably have no effect on his case. Heck if he got married to her it wouldn't help either.

jsr

Hobbes wrote:

Even if it was signed it would probably have no effect on his case. Heck if he got married to her it wouldn't help either.

Yeah, as I said weak at best. Looks like he will be given a one way ticket, but you gotta give it to the guy, he is putting up one hell of a fight(even if you don't aggree with him). He has a future in PR, assuming he has a future.

miju

jsr wrote:

While is would be a shame to break a family

personally i hate when people say that as this works in reverse also

the family dont have to break up simply move to Nigeria with him, the mother and child would be free to enter the state as and when they wish as they'll have Irish passports

mountainyman

How many seperate discussionsare we going to have about Kunle. Is there not a discussion here already and one in politics and one in law and on and on and on.

Tough Luck for Kunle that he has become symbolic of bogus asylum seekers. (and don't tell me that is an oxymoron; if you are lying to the examining officer you are a 'bogus' asylum seeker). One can cerainly argue that middle class nigerians turning up in Ireland claiming to be refugees is damaging to the interests of the genuinely persecuted. Most non nIgerian africans hate them and Nigerian women seem to be the ugliest in Africa. Nevertheless I don't understand the vehemence attached to this case. To some people Kunle is like the victim of the 5 minute hate in 1984.


The tax and insurance issue shows that he is a fool but lets can the phony horror people,nobody would get more than a fine for a first offence.

Nuttz if your point is that he commited fraud at Dublin aiport and why are you posting links that indicate that Kunle commited no crime in the Dublin airport incident. Other than not having his Alien registration card (so what that's not a real crime).

As regards his age the dept of justice send unaccomapnied minors for medical examination and if he was in his thirtie we would know by now. He looks early 20s to me though maybe Africans look young to white people.

I don't see how he could be sent home if he got married to an Irish citizen who is pregnant with his child by the way.

As for the people calling his girlfriend a skanger on the other discussion. You let the cat out of the bag there. The people who hate Kunle hate everyone different from them. Poor people (if they're rich), rich people (if they're poor), travellers, heroin addicts, southsiders, northsiders, culchies, dubs, brits, nordies, jaffas, taigs and most of all themselves.

MM

I was out drinking on Sunday night and Kunle must have broken into my house because someone puked in my upstairs bathroom and it got on the floor. I don't remember who it was because I was drinking heavily and smoking grass. It must have been Kunle.

thebaz

why does the country seem to have a love affair with this chancer ? Singing ole ole when he returns like a World cup hero ? I lived illegally in the U.S. in the mid eighties, and it was head down not trying to get attention, with no social welfare - you just had to get what work you could to survive and we did . This guy just craves media attention about his perceived injustice, while he himself flaunts the law.

rkeane

I work in the immigration area myself. Yesterday I was speaking to a very respected solicitor over a coffee - he has told me that the chances of Kunle winning this case are very slim indeed. He also said to me that I'd have a better chance of surviving a walk through Baghdad draped in the U.S flag than Kunle winning his case. Basically he hasn't a bulls chance of staying here and his sudden fatherhood is not going to assist him in any fashion.

Karl Hungus

mountainyman wrote:

I was out drinking on Sunday night and Kunle must have broken into my house because someone puked in my upstairs bathroom and it got on the floor. I don't remember who it was because I was drinking heavily and smoking grass. It must have been Kunle.

I'm trying to figure what the hell your point is here, but you've got me stumped.

projectmayhem

if he had any sense the last thing he'd do is mess up tax & insurance, or hell, get a car (somehow?). he got a second chance, has gotten into some fairly dodgy situations and upon court deciding his sentence, he's suddenly a father.

enjoy the weather in nigeria, i say.

miju

rkeane wrote:

I work in the immigration area myself.

whereabouts you work outta curiousity?

Hobbes

rkeane wrote:

I work in the immigration area myself.

As what exactly? The reason I ask is you clearly had no clue about what is contained in the 1951 convention and also calling your customers "feckers" and "scumbag criminal" and "chancers" seems very unprofessional for someone working in GNIB.

rkeane

I work within the GNIB. We see chancers like Kunle the whole time, very soon we will be seeing the last of him. There are enough domestic criminals, we certainly don't need anymore like Kunle. By the way in relation to an earlier comment, the vast majority of cocaine discovered in Ireland recently has Nigerian connections.

Raskolnikov

rkeane wrote:

the vast majority of cocaine discovered in Ireland recently has Nigerian connections.

Where did you get that little gem of information from? Your local green grocer? A cab driver? Your cousins fathers uncle twice removed?

There seems to be an awful lot of misinformation in the publin domain surrounding this fella. I think we need to look at his situation a little more rationally. He's a young man who's desperate to stay in the country. He's already employed (there was a segment on RTÉ showing him working in a Super-Valu). He's well settled here and has roots, friends, attachments, etc. Is it really so wrong that he'd do everything in his power to stay? Is it so wrong that we let him stay? It's not like he's depriving some an Irish person of a job or claiming welfare.

rkeane

That last comment was pathetic tripe. If we were to allow this criminal leave to remain in Ireland we might as well do me out of a job and abolish the GNIB (Garda National Immigration Bureau). We might as well have no laws/rules on immigration into this state if chancers like him were perfectly acceptable. I share McDowell’s view that allowing him to stay would be contrary to the common good. He failed ALL STAGES of his asylum process, he then commits crimes in the State, I'm only to happy he wasn't jailed yesterday, that means he will be free to take his place on the charted plane.

Captain Trips

nuttz wrote:

*Fact 1: Illegal entry into the country, without visa or proper assylum status.
Fact 2: Attempting to withdraw money from a bank account with a forged passport
Fact 3: Motor traffic offences
Fact 4: Deported legally
Fact 5: 6 month extension to stay in country
Fact 6: Further Motor traffic offences
Fact 7: 1 year driving ban for last motor traffic offences

Fact 8: Deportation for good: when???

*feel free to modify as further criminal offences are added to the list.

Yeah it's crazy! I bet I couldn't get residency anywhere in any country with a criminal record like that!

How different the title of the thread would be if it was more the correct: Kunle begins resistance of deportation orders

miju

rkeane wrote:

I work within the GNIB. We see chancers like Kunle the whole time, very soon we will be seeing the last of him. There are enough domestic criminals, we certainly don't need anymore like Kunle. By the way in relation to an earlier comment, the vast majority of cocaine discovered in Ireland recently has Nigerian connections.

what section of GNIB you work in?

Raskolnikov wrote:

He's a young man who's desperate to stay in the country. He's already employed (there was a segment on RTÉ showing him working in a Super-Valu).

so what it doesnt have any bearing on his case apart from harming it actually, i'm not sure when he arrived into the country to claim asylum but if it's been in the last few years he wont have a work letter or permit to work in Super-valu so therefore he's working illegaly

Raskolnikov wrote:

He's well settled here and has roots, friends, attachments, etc. Is it really so wrong that he'd do everything in his power to stay? Is it so wrong that we let him stay?

yes, he came to this country to claim asylum and he has to abide by the rules of the process and the laws of the land (which he's already flouted)

Raskolnikov wrote:

It's not like he's depriving some an Irish person of a job or claiming welfare.

you have to be trolling seriously,

do you think he's paying for solicitors (legal aid board), accomodation, the JR process his deportation and subsequently being brough back and his subsequent deportation again, it's the IRISH GOVERNMENT or just so your clear on this YOU, ME AND EVERY OTHER TAX PAYER IN THIS COUNTRY

it's humanitarian liberals like you who have helped create this asylum problem, "ah sure let him stay what harm will it do" that similiar mentality resulted in the issuing of work letters to help clear backlogs years ago and what happened???? word got around at the speed of light and asylum claims TRIPLED within 2 months

bogus and failed asylum seekers (and i'm stating they'res a difference between them) hoover government resources which can be better used elsewhere in ireland, not just via direct provision but the manpower and wage costs involved in processing / keeping them and getting rid of failed asylum seekers, kunle and countless others like him really should be rounded up and shipped home ASAP as they have no basis for claiming asylum under the geneva convention

cue the miju is a racist remarks :-)

Karl Hungus

Raskolnikov wrote:

He's already employed (there was a segment on RTÉ showing him working in a Super-Valu)..

I thought refugees are legally not allowed to work? Anyone like to clear this up for me?

miju

see my post above karl