Kunle begins his battle against deportation

Heinrich · 06-04-2006 09:28AM #1

And the winner is...

...Solicitors

Ann O'Loughlin

Olukunle (Kunle) Elukanlo yesterday began his legal battle to prevent his deportation from Ireland.

Lawyers for the 21-year- old Nigerian, who has been living at Palmerstown in Co Dublin, claimed before the High Court that deportation would infringe his constitutional rights and that of his new born son.

Kunle's Counsel, Cormac O' Dulachain SC, told the court that if he was deported he could not have a meaningful relationship with his son Adam as he he has no home in Nigeria or means of providing for him.

Kunle's said his own father was killed and that he had lost contact with his mother and extended family.

Counsel said he is seeking a declaration that the deportation will infringe his rights both under the Irish constitution and the European Convention of Human Rights.

Louisiana · 06-04-2006 09:47AM

Kunle has been very lucky to have such publicity about his case. i think the campaigns by his friends and school mates where a great idea the last time around. im not sure if his case is a strong this time. does he have a job? a permanent place to live? i have heard recently of his criminal conviction, thats not gonna help the cause. it would be a shame to see a young father separated from his child. Kunle has a much tougher battle ahead this time around.

nuttz · 06-04-2006 10:00AM

*Fact 1: Illegal entry into the country, without visa or proper assylum status.
Fact 2: Attempting to withdraw money from a bank account with a forged passport
Fact 3: Motor traffic offences
Fact 4: Deported legally
Fact 5: 6 month extension to stay in country
Fact 6: Further Motor traffic offences
Fact 7: 1 year driving ban for last motor traffic offences

Fact 8: Deportation for good: when???

*feel free to modify as further criminal offences are added to the list.

Hobbes · 06-04-2006 10:02AM

Do we keep having to open up new threads on the same topic? Or just post in Politics or humanities.

nuttz wrote:

*Fact 1: Illegal entry into the country, without visa or proper assylum status.
Fact 2: Attempting to withdraw money from a bank account with a forged passport

Fact1 is bull and Fact2 as I recall he had nothing to do with.

Fact 8: Deportation for good: when???

Soon I hope.

L5 · 06-04-2006 10:04AM

nuttz wrote:

*Fact 1: Illegal entry into the country, without visa or proper assylum status.
Fact 2: Attempting to withdraw money from a bank account with a forged passport
Fact 3: Motor traffic offences
Fact 4: Deported legally
Fact 5: 6 month extension to stay in country
Fact 6: Further Motor traffic offences
Fact 7: 1 year driving ban for last motor traffic offences

Fact 8: Deportation for good: when???

*feel free to modify as further criminal offences are added to the list.

The sooner this chancer is deported the better

nuttz · 06-04-2006 10:07AM

Hobbes wrote:

Do we keep having to open up new threads on the same topic? Or just post in Politics or humanities.

Fact2 as I recall he had nothing to do with.

No, we should just have the same thread, Hobbes your're a mod, you tell them, sort it out.

Re: Fact two, so the public know: http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1374121&issue_id=12319

sharkman · 06-04-2006 10:11AM

Hobbes wrote:

Do we keep having to open up new threads on the same topic? Or just post in Politics or humanities.

Fact1 is bull and Fact2 as I recall he had nothing to do with.

Soon I hope.

How is fact 1 bull ????

ven0m · 06-04-2006 10:14AM

Hobbes wrote:

Fact1 is bull and Fact2 as I recall he had nothing to do with.

Soon I hope.

Using a forged passport knowingly or not is still a crime.

See, I don't mind thee being immigrants or asylum seekers, but what gets me is NO-ONE seems to remember that the Geneva Convention or whatever it is that guides the "rules" on Asylum seeking says 'the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY'. Someone explain how Ireland is the FIRST safe country?????????

::: ven0mous :::

Hobbes · 06-04-2006 10:18AM

ven0m wrote:

Using a forged passport knowingly or not is still a crime.

From what I recall of the incident. He didn't use the passport. Another guy did. All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

See, I don't mind thee being immigrants or asylum seekers, but what gets me is NO-ONE seems to remember that the Geneva Convention or whatever it is that guides the "rules" on Asylum seeking says 'the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY'. Someone explain how Ireland is the FIRST safe country?????????

There is no international law that says you must seek asylum in the first safe country.

How is fact 1 bull ????

When you enter a country and ask for Asylum you don't get a "proper asylum status" prior to that. There is no illegality in that. I would be interested to know how he first entered the country as I couldn't find that and some people here seem to know.

nutzz wrote:

Re: Fact two, so the public know: http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=12319

For the love of God can people even read the links they are posting. Your own link shows that he didn't use a fake passport.

From your link...
Kunle has also previously had a run-in with gardai when he was arrested last year after an acquaintance allegedly tried to withdraw cash using a forged passport.

Heinrich · 06-04-2006 10:22AM

Hobbes wrote:

From what I recall of the incident. He didn't use the passport. Another guy did. All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

Illegally driving the car presumably!:rolleyes:

nuttz · 06-04-2006 10:22AM

Hobbes wrote:

All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

by chance was he driving without a licence, tax or insurance?

I have to laugh at the above quote, it really sums up everything about him. (not Hobbes, I mean Kunle)

tintinr35 · 06-04-2006 10:23AM

how does he have any constitutional right if he is not an irish citizen???
why did he come here in the first place, i had presumed he came with his mother and father but clearly not, i mean who was he livin with??
he is totally taking the piss tho at this stage

Hobbes · 06-04-2006 10:27AM

nuttz wrote:

by chance was he driving without a licence, tax or insurance?

I have to laugh at the above quote, it really sums up everything about him.

Again read the bloody link you posted. He was charged for not having his GNIB ID card on him at that time.

tintinr35 wrote:

why did he come here in the first place, i had presumed he came with his mother and father but clearly not, i mean who was he livin with??
he is totally taking the piss tho at this stage

His father was killed and his asylum claim was he had no family left back in Nigeria, and yes he is taking the piss at this stage.

Heinrich · 06-04-2006 10:28AM

tintinr35 wrote:

how does he have any constitutional right if he is not an irish citizen???
why did he come here in the first place, i had presumed he came with his mother and father but clearly not, i mean who was he livin with??
he is totally taking the piss tho at this stage

There is a grey area surrounding how exactly the guy landed on our hallowed shores. The same grey area encompasses how he got the car in which he has been caught driving illegally.

You will now be bombarded with *Googled facts* by Hobbes.

Guru Maith Agut · 06-04-2006 10:30AM

Hobbes wrote:

All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

Illegally, without Insurance, Tax and a LEGAL DOCUMENT called a DRIVING LICENCE.
It makes me sick to hear people standing up for him. If I had none of the above I'd expect to be given a mandatory jail sentence!! He is a decieving chancer and deserves to be sent back. End of! What if he had caused an accident and killed somebody in the process? Would they be pleading his case then?? I think not :mad:

sharkman · 06-04-2006 10:30AM

Asylum, represents a nation's sacrifice of part of its sovereignty over immigration for humanitarian reasons, in order to offer protection to people (usually illegal aliens) who are fleeing genuine persecution. It is a kind of humanitarian pardon, or amnesty, for people who have broken the immigration law and have no other reason to be admitted into the country.

Was he being persecuted in his own country ???

If people who could have applied for protection elsewhere are allowed to enter into the asylum system, the curbs on a nation's sovereignty implicit in asylum can no longer be justified.

Hobbes · 06-04-2006 10:31AM

Heinrich wrote:

You will now be bombarded with *Googled facts* by Hobbes.

Yea heaven forbid we get spammed with fiction pulled out of peoples backsides .

MorningStar · 06-04-2006 10:33AM

Hobbes wrote:

From what I recall of the incident. He didn't use the passport. Another guy did. All he did was happen to be driving the car for the guy.

Driving it without insurance or licence

Hobbes wrote:

There is no international law that says you must seek asylum in the first safe country.

THere are international agreements however and he could have asked for asylumn in the first country with such an agreement instead of passing through them and then asking here.

Hobbes wrote:

When you enter a country and ask for Asylum you don't get a "proper asylum status" prior to that. There is no illegality in that. I would be interested to know how he first entered the country as I couldn't find that and some people here seem to know.

Your case is heard and you are allowed stay. It is impossible to get here from nigeria directly so explain how he did it? You keep avoiding this by just saying how do you know he didn't make it directly. We know becasue it appears impossible. Explain how it is possible to make it here directly

Hobbes wrote:

For the love of God can people even read the links they are posting. Your own link shows that he didn't use a fake passport.

From your link...
Kunle has also previously had a run-in with gardai when he was arrested last year after an acquaintance allegedly tried to withdraw cash using a forged passport.

Valid point but crimianl links are enough to kick people out of the country as far as I am concerned. A guest should act correctly

Heinrich · 06-04-2006 10:34AM

Hobbes wrote:

Yea heaven forbid we get spammed with fiction pulled out of peoples backsides .

Ther is a slight detioration in the quality of the argument:rolleyes:

HelterSkelter · 06-04-2006 10:35AM

nuttz wrote:

Re: Fact two, so the public know: http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1374121&issue_id=12319

nuttz wrote:

Fact 2: Attempting to withdraw money from a bank account with a forged passport

Think your "facts" are not as factual as you'd like us to believe. From the Irish Independent article you linked to...

Irish Independent wrote:

Kunle has also previously had a run-in with gardai when he was arrested last year after an acquaintance allegedly tried to withdraw cash using a forged passport.

He was charged with not carrying his official ID card.

nuttz · 06-04-2006 10:36AM

Hobbes wrote:

Again read the bloody link you posted. He was charged for not having his GNIB ID card on him at that time.

and he just coincidentally happened to be there, ... no. He is guilty as sin.

Yes, you are right he is taking the piss, and yes he should be sent back home.

If he had gone about things the right way, abiding by the law there would more than likely have been a case for him to stay in the country:

Hobbes wrote:

His father was killed and his asylum claim was he had no family left back in Nigeria, and yes he is taking the piss at this stage.

Hobbes · 06-04-2006 10:38AM

Thank you Helter. Glad to see someone actually read the article.

To all the muppets going on about he was arrested then for no tax/insurance it was a seperate incident.

Also he was only ever arrested once for No tax/insurance (and incidently no license and no NCT on the car as well).

nutzz wrote:

and he just coincidentally happened to be there, ... no. He is guilty as sin.

You hear that banging noise? That is me slamming my head off a wall wondering why the fuk you aren't even reading your own links. Notice the "acquaintance allegedly".

tbh · 06-04-2006 10:43AM

Guru Maith Agut wrote:

Illegally, without Insurance, Tax and a LEGAL DOCUMENT called a DRIVING LICENCE.
It makes me sick to hear people standing up for him. If I had none of the above I'd expect to be given a mandatory jail sentence!!

you wouldn't tho, would you? You'd hope you'd get off with a ban and/or fine. Just like everyone else in the country. For myself, I think he's been a bit silly. If someone invites you into their home, you don't do anything that'll get you kicked out, you keep your head down and your nose clean. Mind you, he's 19, and he's got no-one. Seems cruel to throw him out now - if the Government decide he's no right to be here, he should be on the plane back within 24 hours of arriving. It's not his fault, it certainly isn't his kids. Can't we all just get along?

nuttz · 06-04-2006 10:52AM

Hobbes wrote:

Thank you Helter. Glad to see someone actually read the article.

To all the muppets going on about he was arrested then for no tax/insurance it was a seperate incident.

Also he was only ever arrested once for No tax/insurance (and incidently no license and no NCT on the car as well).

You hear that banging noise? That is me slamming my head off a wall wondering why the fuk you aren't even reading your own links. Notice the "acquaintance allegedly".

Question:
What was himself and his aquantance doing trying to withdraw money with a forged passport?

(simple logic, this one is not really too hard)
I'll give you a hint, it's one of the 10 commandments,
I'll give you most of the sentence:
Thou shall not S*e*L
the second letter is T and the fourth letter is A

and you are talking about muppets, come'on now!

Repli · 06-04-2006 10:52AM

tbh wrote:

you wouldn't tho, would you? You'd hope you'd get off with a ban and/or fine. Just like everyone else in the country. For myself, I think he's been a bit silly. If someone invites you into their home, you don't do anything that'll get you kicked out, you keep your head down and your nose clean. Mind you, he's 19, and he's got no-one. Seems cruel to throw him out now - if the Government decide he's no right to be here, he should be on the plane back within 24 hours of arriving. It's not his fault, it certainly isn't his kids. Can't we all just get along?

No, he's "20", or "21", or whatever he's telling people now, I heard in reality he's closer to 30..

Hobbes · 06-04-2006 10:59AM

nuttz wrote:

Question:
What was himself and his aquantance doing trying to withdraw money with a forged passport?

for the last time.

HE WAS NOT TRYING TO WITHDRAW MONEY WITH A FORGED PASSPORT, HE WAS ARRESTED FOR NOT HAVING HIS ID CARD ON HIM. READ YOUR OWN LINK FFS.

please don't make me go to a bigger font.

Repli wrote:

No, he's "20", or "21", or whatever he's telling people now, I heard in reality he's closer to 30..

He would be 20 or 21 as he was 19 last year around the time of the deportation. From pictures that would be correct.

miju · 06-04-2006 11:06AM

ven0m wrote:

Using a forged passport knowingly or not is still a crime.

See, I don't mind thee being immigrants or asylum seekers, but what gets me is NO-ONE seems to remember that the Geneva Convention or whatever it is that guides the "rules" on Asylum seeking says 'the FIRST SAFE COUNTRY'. Someone explain how Ireland is the FIRST safe country?????????

::: ven0mous :::

what your talking about is the Dublin Convention and Dublin II the Geneva Convention is what sets out defines what a genuine refugee

hobbes wrote:

Again read the bloody link you posted. He was charged for not having his GNIB ID card on him at that time.

they can be detained for not have their ID card but has soon as they've confirmed their ID and corss referenced they'd be let go, he would be charged with not having his ID card that's bull

MorningStar wrote:

Valid point but crimianl links are enough to kick people out of the country as far as I am concerned. A guest should act correctly

not just as far as your concerned as far as the immigration act 1999 is concerned also

nuttz · 06-04-2006 11:08AM

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/71213

"On the latter occasion he
was detained with two other
Nigerians at Dublin Airport
after one of the others alleg-
ediy tried to withdraw cash
using a forged passport.
Kunie told gardai he had
not known the chief suspect
in the case, although he had
been speaking to him
moments before they were
arrested. The chief suspect
produced a false Dutch pass-
port at the bureau and
attempted to have the â‚¬200
paid to him from the
account of an English man.
The teller became suspi-
cious and alerted airport
police. All there were subse-
quently arrested.
Kunie was charged with
not carrying his official ID
card and spent the night in
custody before being
released. He has denied any
involvement in the fraud bid
and said a friend he was
with knew the other man.
Weeks before being
stopped at the Killiney
checkpoint, Kunie told Hot
Press magazine of his
exhaustive list of parties
after his return. "F***ing
hell, it's mad," he revealed.
But he added that he
needs to keep a low profile
to remain here. "The Govern-
ment is watching me now, I
have to take things easy and
not do anything stupid."
Minister Michael McDow-
ell reversed a decision to
deport Kunie in March fol-
lowing a campaign by pals.
He was granted a six-
month visa to return, which
expires at the end of Septem-
ber."

HelterSkelter · 06-04-2006 11:10AM

nuttz wrote:

Question:
What was himself and his aquantance doing trying to withdraw money with a forged passport?

Nuttz, stop lying to make your point. The article clearly states that it was his aquantance who was trying to withdraw money with the false passport. If you were walking down the street with your friend and he smacked someone in the face does that make you guilty?

I don't have any sympathy for Kunle to be honest but I think if you are trying to make a case against him at least be honest and stop distorting the facs.

nuttz · 06-04-2006 11:15AM

HelterSkelter wrote:

Nuttz, stop lying to make your point. The article clearly states that it was his aquantance who was trying to withdraw money with the false passport. If you were walking down the street with your friend and he smacked someone in the face does that make you guilty?

I don't have any sympathy for Kunle to be honest but I think if you are trying to make a case against him at least be honest and stop distorting the facs.

Accessory

Hobbes · 06-04-2006 11:19AM

nuttz wrote:

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/71213

Oh for the love of god.. please keep posting links but try reading them. That just backs up your previous link and he was never charged as an Accessory.

Kunle begins his battle against deportation

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