US: 2X15 - "Maternity Leave" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "MATERNITY LEAVE" -

Episode Title: "Maternity Leave"
Airdate: March 1st 2006

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

A mysterious illness that baby Aaron suddenly contracts sends a desperate Claire, Kate and French woman Danielle to return to the same area where Claire was initially kidnapped. It is there where she believes she can find a cure for Aaron's illness. In the meantime, Jack and Locke are doing their best to keep their prisoner a secret from the rest of the survivors on the island.

Next New Episode: 2X16 - "The Whole Truth" - March 22nd 2006

Basq

9

Note the next episode date of March 22nd so no more 'Lost' for another 3 weeks... betcha this'll please all these newcomers to these US breaks!

So.. just to clarify so we don't get people starting up threads next week to ask:

After 'Maternity Leave'.. NO more episodes til MARCH 22ND!

stevejazzx

9

ahhh three weeks, ahhh ***************

Chong

9

Thats 1 episode in 5 weeks. WTF!

Basq

9

I myself can't wait for episode 17...

Locke

-centric episode and directed by Darren Aronofsky... SWEET!

Willem D wrote:

Thats 1 episode in 5 weeks. WTF!

Yeah.. i know the whole 1 episode in 5 weeks is brutal!

But i can remember the wait between 'Numbers' and 'Deus Ex Machina' for us last year being torturous... let me just lookup how long was between those two.... actually, looking that up makes me realise how horrible the gaps were around this time last year... we'd 2 breaks of 4 weeks! :eek:

TV.Com wrote:

18. Numbers
First aired: 3/2/2005

-- 4 WEEKS --

19. Deus Ex Machina
First aired: 3/30/2005

20. Do No Harm
First aired: 4/6/2005

-- 4 WEEKS --

21. The Greater Good (a.k.a. Sides)
First aired: 5/4/2005

Peace

7

Perhaps if they ran the series back to back they might not be loosing viewers?

Cina

They won't, that's the way it's done in the US, almost every other show over there is doing the same thing.

digiman

9

Absouletly brilliant, amazing, excellent, just feckin class. I think this was the best Lost episode ever, 10/10 for me.
Clare's flashback was just brilliant, becasue it all happened on the island. Some brilliant stuff in it altogether. Some of it was really creepy as well, I had shivers go down my back a few times. Some things that seem important:
The planes that were in the babys cot, they were Oceanic airlines?
Locke losing it at the end after what Henry Gale said to him
I wonder what Mr Eko was on about when he was talking to Henry Gale, the way he apologised for killing the others really makes me think that henry is an other.
We seen Alex for the first time
Who was Ethan talking to at the door, he looked familiar but I dont know why.

So much more to talk about but I think I will leave it up to the rest of you

Hyzepher

8

Well i think its obvious from that episode that the "Zeke" crowd are Ethan's crowd - Ethan was talking to a clean shaven "Zeke" and Kate found what looked to be their outfits etc complete with false beard. The episode also proves that DARMA (maybe former) employees are still on the island.

Why they left the complex is still a mystery unless they thought Claire would lead the survivors back to them. Alex is obviously the girl who helped Claire escape. Also, the complex looks big enough to house the survivors so I wonder will they go there. That's of course if they share this knowledge with the rest

The vaccine that Ethan was giving Claire looks like the stuff that Desmond was taking - so there's an obvious link there.

Now back into hibernation for another 3 weeks.....

Hyzepher

Basq

9

Avoiding reading digiman's comments there but heard it was an absolute blinder of an episode... would be watching it now if i wasn't immersed in project work.

Will be back here sometime this afternoon with my predictions and reactions!

riddik

twas beardy zeke or watever his name is that ethan was tlkin to. kate found a box with a fake beard and theatrical glue or something similar, cant remember exactly. obviously beardy zeke aint so beardy after all

Chardee MacDennis

8

very good episode. the outfits and theatrical glue shows that the others are actually living a higher standard of life than portrayed previously and i would say are a control in the experiment that is the island - and are still in the employment of the Dharam Corp.

Henry i think is obviously an other even forgetting the eko confession i think he is there to cause dissent in the camp and a split in the group as seen by his comments to Locke.

i really liked Claire's flashback - the fact the others are gone i think showed they had set the situation up for claire to see but why leave the outfits there unless something has happened.

can't wait 3 week for the next one... ba$tard$

Hyzepher

8

Also remembered that Zeke was the one to take Walt, so we can assume whatever they had in store for Claire's baby is in store for Walt.

Also, maybe someone with a better memory than me can answer - did Charlie actually say that it was Ethan that hung him on the tree or did he just assume it

Hyzepher

Cina

Wow, fantastic episode, so much explained yet so much still to answer. Most interesting thing for me was the Zeke thing, I think it disproves the theory that there are 2 sets of others on the island anyway.

Dapos

8

Can anyone tell me wat they actually show during these 2/3 week breaks. how can they get away with this. It's the same with Invasion.

Cina

usually repeats

hardCopy

9

Zeke and Ethan's conversation also explained why they never took more of the survivors like they did on the Tailies end of the Island.

anotherlostie

9

Absolutely brilliant episode. So much to take in, I will have to watch it again.

I really enjoyed the interaction between Claire, Kate and Rousseau. I hope we see more of Rousseau from now on. Emilie de Ravin was fantastic this week. And nice to see Libby get to do something useful.

Zeke without the beard. Bizarre. So why would he wear it other times? And was he refering to Alvar Hanso?

Why was the hatch abandoned? Maybe when Locke's timer got to zero it forced them to leave?

Alex? I thought she had blonde hair the last time, but again that could be a wig. This girl looked kinda French.

The operating team. Again this disproves the notion that Zeke was almost on his own; there seemed to be a fair crowd in that station.

Henry Gale, definitely a baddie!

All in all, super episode. In typical Lost fashion, very little direct information given, but a lot of earlier theories disproved. Now just tell us why!

PS - Is nobody concerned as to where Michael is? We haven't seen him in weeks, and no one even comments about him!!!

Sherifu

9

Damn that was good.
I got most of whats been seen already.
Desmond was taking the drug presumably to stop getting infected.
So they were trying to do the same with the baby.....
Henry Gale has superhuman hearing possibly tieing in with the others
supposed super strengths.
The fact that the others dress up is interesting.
At last some decent information about the others
Very good episode. 10/10

Splendid

8

hardCopy wrote:

Zeke and Ethan's conversation also explained why they never took more of the survivors like they did on the Tailies end of the Island.

and Possibly why they took Claire, Zeke gave out to him for taking her before making a list (and checking it twice?). Possibly making the mistake of going for the unborn child over Walt.

Alex was also in Malcolm in the middle, can't think of who she played, but she was one the crell boys.

Good episode. Best of the recent batch by a long shot.

Basq

9

Excellent stuff!

Loved Henry Gale's comment to cause a ruption in the camp between Locke and Jack - and Locke's final scene flipping out. Locke has always had issues with being in control so this will really get under his skin.

The whole scene with Eko and Henry was a bit strange - did Eko confess to Henry about killing the 2 Other's in the jungle because he assumed Henry was an other (hence apologise for killing his own) or did he confess because he knew Henry was the only one he could tell who wouldn't judge him, like the other people in the camp.. truly interesting stuff!

The Claire flashback's were excellent mainly because it was stuff we could relate to - stuff we've been wondering about for a solid season now. And now this stuff we couldn't really give a crap about before life on the island. But wouldn't expect flashbacks of this caliber too often!

I think Damon / Carlton have obviously been listening / paying attention to fans getting pissed off with little or no information / plot development week after week. But pulled out an corker of an episode this week - and also Jack Bender's direction as usual being excellent!

I recognised the girl who played Alex from where - and then realised she played Cynthia in 'Malcolm In The Middle' after consulting IMDB.

That's all to say really: solid 10 / 10!

cregser

8

Wow, a new hatch AND they open it AND they walk in AND walk back out ALL in one episode!!! That's just too much, I couldn't believe it. Plus, so much stuff being cleared up. I think I'd stopped caring what happened to Claire, it was so long ago.

It was a decent ep alright but the Eko moment was just weird and Loch fell for that tactic waaay too easily.

I think I only joined in the US goodness towards the end of season 1 so only had to wait for the last episode or two (but watched 1-20 in the space of a few days so imagine my agony waiting weeks for a single episode). These frequent multi-week waits are ridiculous, but if it makes each episode better as a consequence then we can't complain much.

Anima

9

Well everyone else has pretty much said why the episode was great. Full of information, twists and turns. Fantastic tv. 10/10

jor el

8

Just checked back to ep 2x03 and when Desmond left he didn't take all the '4 8 15 16 23 42' juice with him, just a fist full. I guess nobody has put it together that it's the same stuff.

Nobody on the island mentioning Michael or Walt is a bit strange too, I wonder where they are?

Great to finally clear up some things from S1 though with Claire, where she was and how Rousseau fit into it. This is the best episode in this half of the season anyway, if not the whole season so far. Was the logo on the Dharma signs different in this section? I think it was the serpants wrapped around a staff like a medical symbol. Was this the Dharma projects sick bay I wonder? edit: It's the caduceus symbol.

Worth watching again.

Franky Boy

Loved this episode 10/10.
Full of suspense the whole waty through.The ending with Henry was something else!

BopNiblets

Interesting note:
Desmonds dosage of The Numbers juice had "Rx-1" on the label, while Ethans Numbers juice has "Rx-1 GND" on the label... and the Dharma Initiative brand Theatrical Glue also has "Rx-1 GND" on its label...
Also, if Dessie didn't take all his juice from the hatch, Claire (even though she may not even need it now) could get some from there.

Speaking of Desmond, where the bloody hell did he go anyways? And where's Mike?!

mr_angry

8

Definitely not an "action" episode, but full of suspense and intregue. I find myself wondering why every hatch seems to continually be abandoned? At first I assumed it was because of "the incident", but this episode tells us that the Caduceus Station was in use up until a couple of months ago. Where have the Dharma employees gone?

The whole "2 groups of others at war" theory has completely gone out the window, and Ethan's desperation to get Claire back is now much better explained. Its clear that someone is putting enormous pressure on him to follow a process. Having already violated it, I'm willing to bet that Ethan was persona-non-grata in the Others camp after Claire escaped. I'm now willing to bet that Henry Gayle is equally as desperate to get his hands on Claire's baby, and the lingering scene with Claire declaring her love for Aaron can surely only mean that he is set to be kidnapped again in the near future.

Of course, many more questions were raised. Why Zeke's disguise? Obviously its meant to make him look like a swarthy pirate, but we've seen evidence of their tribe (for want of a better word) wearing similar clothes on a day-to-day basis when Eko and Jin observe them walking past. They obviously have access to a wardrobe of modern clothes, so why wear rags? Kate also found the hat that Zeke wore on the boat, implying that Zeke had been back to the Caduceus Station after abducting Walt. Did Walt's arrival in some way influence their abandoning of the station?

What the hell does the disease do? Danielle killed her entire team because of it, stating "I had to do it. What if we had been rescued? I couldn't let that happen" (Solitary, 1x08). Its obviously something that she feels can't be allowed to get off the island, yet its symptoms are apparent even in a small baby that Danielle would suggest to Claire to kill Aaron if he was infected? Very puzzling. The Others are also anxious to ensure that Aaron doesn't become infected, but don't care about the rest of the group. Its implied that adults are also vulnerable. What would happen if Aaron, which the Others value highly, were to get the disease? Good things / bad things?

And then we have Eko's confession, and the cutting of his beard. At first I thought he was going to commit suicide, which would have been the ultimate shock! Obviously the two mini-braids on his beard implied some sort of guilt, or pennance, which is now over. Has anybody ever read Dostoyevsky? Does this have some connection to "Crime and Punishment"? We know so little about Eko's character - does he know that Dharma want "good" people? Is that why he apologised? Does he know more about the island than he's letting on? I'm pretty certain that he plans to build a church using the trees he has marked.

There's a lot of information in there. In the words of Locke, "I think we're going to have to watch that again".

Mr E

9

10/10 for me too. When Kate opened that locker, I was reminded of what was so good about lost in the first place - huge revelations that make you giggle like a kid. Brilliant stuff.

Sunn

cregser wrote:

Wow, a new hatch AND they open it AND they walk in AND walk back out ALL in one episode!!! That's just too much, I couldn't believe it.

thats poissbly the funniest thing I've seen written on the lost board.. well done

on another note, all the "others" looked nicely clean well shaved.. and no glued on beards.. ooohhhhhhhhh the intruige begins

Peace

7

A solid 8 from me.

The new hatch seemed to have fallen into dissarray fairly quickly. Also they seemed to have abandoned it in a hurry. The operating room had its fridges knocked over like people were ransaking/rushing to get out.

Interesting that zeke is not the boss, just the gaffer. And it seems that they are wearing their costumes whenever they are outside the hatch so that if they are spotted then they will be taken for natives/people living from the island and not clean shaven/showered hatch people.

Also it seems the Dharam experiment is still under way. THe flash lights would have to have the betteries changed in them regularly in order to have them in working order. Someone was maintaining that hatch/complex until they decided to bug out. And when they did bug out, why did they take all the kids toys etc?

Weird scene with Eko, dunno wtf that was all about.

Beruthiel

8

Peace wrote:

The new hatch seemed to have fallen into dissarray fairly quickly. Also they seemed to have abandoned it in a hurry. The operating room had its fridges knocked over like people were ransaking/rushing to get out.

you've got to wonder what the hell that's about.
fantastic episode, ended too fast!
9/10

Sauron

8

Wow... 9/10 for me

Great ep.. I was glued to it the whole way through. It really took me by surprise after the recent installments. I was convinced we were going to get a dud ending, with the sentimental claire-baby scene near the end.

I actually thought Eko was going to commit suicide too, and for a split second I was like: "NO!" . But I really liked that scene; it was really intense.

and Henry Gale, I'm starting to like him... sowing the seeds of conflict and mistrust.

The Brief flashbacks were very well done, as was their integration with the whole hatch investigation scene. It was really atmospheric and creepy, reminded me of the tension of season 1.

Most stuff has been said.. I guess

so, so many questions, but I'm really looking forward to next.... oh crap... I mean, three weeks time. I'm really getting annoyed with the gaps.
The IRL viewers have it easy.
A friend of mine was complaining that they have to wait two weeks for the next episode (no. 4 I methinks). They have no idea

mada999

9

one of the best episodes I've seen yet...deadly!! the first of claire's flashbacks was great!!:D

madrab

7

great episode, i voted 8 but should have been a 9

soo much going on, but i do agree with the theory that the medlab was abandoned after last weeks countdown, (maybe the hatch machine is a failsafe to detonate the island if the virus goes out of control?)

when we first heard zeke i felt disappointed that ther werent 2 sets of others, then we saw elvis zeke, & i was happy again, then we found the beard & i was both happy & sad about it love it

also anyone else wonder if sun has a kid/had a kid with her comment about a mother never leaving their child?

ps alyx is hot!!!

chump

Good ep.
Leaves plenty more unanswered questions!

I would give it ~ 8/10
But because of that scene where Cla(i)re was holding the baby like a sack of spuds I'm giving it 1/10.

digiman

9

chump wrote:

I would give it ~ 8/10
But because of that scene where Cla(i)re was holding the baby like a sack of spuds I'm giving it 1/10.

I thought that you were joking but then I seen someone had actually voted 1. That's just stupid in my opinion, did you just want to be the only person who voted below 8 or something?

Basq

9

chump wrote:

But because of that scene where Cla(i)re was holding the baby like a sack of spuds I'm giving it 1/10.

You serious? :eek:

.... Wee-ird!

Snake Plisken

9

Great Episode I give it a 10!

I wonder if the boss man Ethan and Zeke are talking about is actually Mr Gale??? Also loved the "you don't have anything by Stephen King" line from Gale might be little reference to either The Stand (Virus wipes out most of mankind) or even the Longoliers (Plane passengers go through some kind of rip in time and are stuck in yesterdays time). Anyway it was such a good episode I'm happy to wait the 3 weeks as long as the next one is as High a standard!

Snake

Smurfpiss

8

wow. What a brilliant episode. so many revealations! the others aren't really others...just highly trained hunting/shooting/kickboxing scientists. how cool is that?
what exactly was with eko cutting of his beard? "as a token of my apology accept these face pubes"

Henry Gale is Deleciously eeeeeeevvilll. I loved the cut to his reaction when locke lost it.
3 sodding weeks...ah well prison break back soon..

mada999

9

schedule for upcoming losts....

212 - 1/25/06 Fire + Water Confirmed ***61 minutes.
2/01/06 Numbers Rerun Confirmed
213 - 2/08/06 The Long Con Confirmed ***63 minutes
214 - 2/15/06 One of Them Confirmed ***63 minutes
2/22/06 RERUN Season I 2 hour pilot Confirmed because of Olympics
215 - 3/01/06 Maternity Leave Confirmed ***63 minutes
3/08/06 Rerun Whatever The Case May Be.
3/15/06 Rerun The House of the Rising Sun
216 - 3/22/06 The Whole Truth Tentative
217 - 3/29/06 Lockdown Tentative
218 - 4/05/06
4/12/06 Rerun
4/19/06 Rerun
219 - 4/26/06
220 - 5/03/06
221 - 5/10/06
222 - 5/17/06
223 - 5/24/06

BopNiblets

mr_angry wrote:

I'm pretty certain that he plans to build a church using the trees he has marked.

Nope, a trebuchet.

monkeyfudge

8

We really don't need to see the titles of upcoming episodes, thank you!

ElNino

8

Very good episode.

It was good to see Rousseau exonerated and the Claiure kidnapping explained.

Eko is up to something. I can't wait to find out what.

Locke was really pissed about Henry's suggestion that Jack was calling the shots. There is trouble brewing there.

tvnutz

8

Good episode. Loved the revelation that Zeke was dressing up to look like some native or a pirate. They answered what happened to Claire,but somehow they posed so many more questions!!

The Eko scene was really weird,I'm not sure what that was all about.

Interesting what Gale is doing,but I'm a little annoyed Locke didn't see through it. It was so obvious he was trying to stir up some sh!t between Locke and Jack.

9/10

The next episode is called "The Whole Truth",ummm...think we'll get that?

Peace

7

I'd also like to see Sayid being let back in the room, just so he can talk to Henry Gale - Jack bauer stylee.

stevejazzx

9

stevejazzx wrote:

So would this mean that Zeke and co are anti scientist rebels of some sort?
But what of this comment from hom that Walt is a very special boy?
How would they know that? Are the others the scientists, forced to live on Island after the world has ended?
Or perhaps Zeke and co have a base where some scientists from the original project have defected to Zekes cause, which leaves the remaining sceintists with Alvar, who are probably all mental types hellbent on domination of some sort or the other.

hmmm I was almost on to it with this snippet from my thread i posted tuesday...
great episode that s what lost is all about, "ok guys we'll answer all your questions with twenty thousand more riddles"!
big question from that episode is
Is alex with zeke or against him?
Is she with him but decided out of sympathy to save claire?
Or is she in fact a rebel from an outside group on the Island?
The scientits dressing up as raggidy others suggests that it's just another control for the losties as I said in my other post also....unless they planted
these clothes for the losties to find.....and why was kate so secretive?
In the episode where michael goes off looking for walt kate gets herself caught by zekes crew who use her as a ransom for the guns, suspicious no?

Eko s confession shows he knows something, because he's afraid of being selcted as a 'bad person'. Perhaps Ekos memory is coming back to him also?
Didn't claire feel the needle in her stomach before she was kidnapped? The episode where she awoke at night and was hysterical saying someone had injected her with a needle and then soon afterwards she was kidnapped for real! Does this mean that she is psychic or that she is living out an implanted memory?

Why does the Dharma medic hatch look old and looted?
If the scientists decided to leave fearing claire would remeber why would they leave the BIG clues in the form of their disguises(theatrical glue!!!!)
it looks like they left in a panic, or remember that the lights in the unit were broken hanging down as if something explosive had gone off, if this were the case and they had to evacuate all of a sudden type of thing it explains why they probably had to leave behind the costumes. Possiblty the button reaching zero caused something to happen but why would the buttton be affecting the other hatches? It seems to me that the timeline of whats happening isn't right like implanted memories that have gone wrong.

Lockes gives Henry the brothers karamazov and discusses how heminway lived in the great russian authors shadow, perhaps this simile is not only for Locke and jack but for the leaders of dharma too, undoubtedly henrys reference to stepehn king is a throwback to some fans incessant theorizing about losts similarities to the book the 'stand'.
ethan tells claire that they are a 'good family' which suggests that Dharma is building something of a cult on the Island explaining the conditioning of childern from an early age etc. I just can't figure how the scientific aspect of Dharma ties into the religous aspect, why Walt is special to their cause etc.

Finally I would say that claires baby get better so surely this might indicate that the 'sickness' is possibly just another control by Dharma? Perhaps however it might just be the first stage of the infants illness and eerily Rousseau seems to believe that if the child really is sick then all involved that no choice other than to kill it........

monkeyfudge

8

stevejazzx wrote:

Didn't claire feel the needle in her stomach before she was kidnapped? The episode where she awoke at night and was hysterical saying someone had injected her with a needle and then soon afterwards she was kidnapped for real! Does this mean that she is psychic or that she is living out an implanted memory?

Ethan was in the camp at that stage. He was probably taking a sample from the Baby, of injecting the same stuff.

I also think it's a bit stupid how Locke is being played yet again, only days after Sawyer did exactly the same thing.

stevejazzx

9

monkeyfudge wrote:

Ethan was in the camp at that stage. He was probably taking a sample from the Baby, of injecting the same stuff.

ah yes....tis true, but why stab her in the dark in her camp with everyone around when he needed to kidnap her anyway, remeber the clean shaven Zeke said 'you were meant to bring her in etc....' or words along these lines so the premature stabbing in the dark?

monkeyfudge wrote:

I also think it's a bit stupid how Locke is being played yet again, only days after Sawyer did exactly the same thing.

yes it does seem silly but you have to remeber that everything on the island is mind control and Mr. gale is probably an expert and probably been monitoring the Losties so he would know exactly what buttons to push...(forgive the pun)

tails2

ahhhhhhh, for all of you that like following US tv shows so much you really have no clue about the schedules do ya...

the reason there are gaps sometimes in showing episodes is because of things like the super bowl and the world series. the world series is on tfor the next three weeks so almost all the evening shows are put on pause because so many viewers would be lost. similar to when we only watch world cup matches and not normal tv when we actually qualify

NOW BACK TO YOUR REGULAR PROGRAMMING:D

i tought the episode was great. i thought ethan being explained properly was a plus and it also explained some past episodes. the whole thing about mike and walt not being mentioned or the fact that it didnt look like claire or kate had mentioned the new hatch to anyone was a let down. but i suppose they might in time to come. anyway see ya's in 3 weeks

duridian

8

I think this episode showed why the Others wanted Claire's baby. By the end of the episode Aaron had not received any further medication for the illness, yet he still appeared to be recovering from it. This to me would imply that his natural immune system had formed some sort of antibodies to fight off the disease. Would this not make him a valuable asset to any scientist who was studying/seeking a cure for the illness?

monkeyfudge

8

duridian wrote:

I think this episode showed why the Others wanted Claire's baby. By the end of the episode Aaron had not received any further medication for the illness, yet he still appeared to be recovering from it. This to me would imply that his natural immune system had formed some sort of antibodies to fight off the disease. Would this not make him a valuable asset to any scientist who was studying/seeking a cure for the illness?

That or it was just a normal ailment like Jack said.