Magic Mushrooms have just been made Illegal in Ireland

Akrasia · 31-01-2006 2:11pm #1

In the last half hour, Nature has been criminalised on the emerald Isle, the Nanny state has decreed that they are too dangerous for us idiot citizens, perhaps we should all go out and play hurling or go mountaineering or go for a nice healthy walk even though those wholesome activities have killed and injured more people than magic mushrooms ever have.

jcoote · 31-01-2006 2:12pm

do they not grow here???

hows that gonna work???

Sleipnir · 31-01-2006 2:15pm

Akrasia wrote:

In the last half hour, Nature has been criminalised on the emerald Isle, the Nanny state has decreed that they are too dangerous for us idiot citizens, perhaps we should all go out and play hurling or go mountaineering or go for a nice healthy walk even though those wholesome activities have killed and injured more people than magic mushrooms ever have.

Yeah it'll affect hundreds of thousands of people across the land. The farmers will stop farming and sun won't rise tommorw.

"Hey, they've made fresh mushies illegal"
"Sh!te. Hey isn't that the Seven Horsemen of the Apocalypse over there?"

Akrasia · 31-01-2006 2:16pm

they're illegal for sale or posession, I presume they're not illegal if they grow in your garden as long as you don't pick them. I don't know what the deal with grow kits is though but they're still legal to sell in the U.K. so they're probably ok here as well

KerranJast · 31-01-2006 2:19pm

I'm not into mushrooms and I'd don't see the point in taking them or any other drug, but they should just have imposed a mandatory 18 year old rule on them. I guarantee you there will now be more deaths from people taking mushrooms they get on the black market from dealers or by mistakenly eating poisonous ones / toadstools that they pick themselves. At least the shops had control over what was sold and warned people not to mix them with alcohol. This is pure electioneering by the Govt.

base2 · 31-01-2006 2:23pm

Cool, now I can get that sexy illicit rush when I take my mushrooms knowing that its illegal.

Akrasia · 31-01-2006 2:28pm

base2 wrote:

Cool, now I can get that sexy illicit rush when I take my mushrooms knowing that its illegal.

it was already illegal to take them, just not to have them or sell them

base2 · 31-01-2006 2:29pm

Its never illegal to take drugs. Just to be in possesion of them.

Morrigan · 31-01-2006 2:43pm

Akrasia wrote:

In the last half hour, Nature has been criminalised on the emerald Isle, the Nanny state has decreed that they are too dangerous for us idiot citizens, perhaps we should all go out and play hurling or go mountaineering or go for a nice healthy walk even though those wholesome activities have killed and injured more people than magic mushrooms ever have.

Where did you hear/read about this, Akrasia?

Akrasia · 31-01-2006 3:23pm

it was on liveline today, yesterday they devoted the whole show to magic mushrooms after an angry parent called in because her 15 year old daughter had a bad trip so Mary Hearney decided to make them illegal today and she seems to have timed her decision to give liveline the exclusive. It's blatant electioneering.

rubadub · 31-01-2006 3:29pm

I doubt the law passed through in the "last half hour", the decision may have been made.

Akrasia wrote:

I don't know what the deal with grow kits is though but they're still legal to sell in the U.K. so they're probably ok here as well

Depends on what you mean by grow kit. If you mean a kit with spores and sterile grain then yes it is legal (still grey area). If you mean a ready colonised kit you add water to then no it is certainly illegal. They sold them here and they were technically illegal here since they were dehydrated, nothing was done about that AFAIK.
Kits with spores are a grey area since it is can be seen as intent to manufacture. A spore seller in the US was busted since he had grow information on his site, others say the spores are for study with a microscope only.

dathi1 · 31-01-2006 3:34pm

So we had a fairly workable situation with mushrooms being sold via vendors in Dublin and Cork to people going to festivals, house parties, rural meet ups etc. One gob****e throws himself off a building and bang! Harney's on the political capital prohibition bandwagon again.
result? : More money for Dublin based gangsters to move in on the scene.
Everybody's happy. Harney, Ahern....Politicians in general, The Gardai, the Gangsters and that big ego guy who writes books on them who's name escapes me.

The mexican truffles were great

Dave! · 31-01-2006 3:39pm

Excellent -- more merchandise for drug-dealers to make money from!

What's the government's response when it's put to them that alcohol and cigarettes kill thousands every year?

F*cking imbeciles...

RE*AC*TOR · 31-01-2006 3:44pm

I would have thought that allowing the current situation to grow a little bit, would have been wise on the part of the government. They didn't have to legalise anything as it was already legal, so it could have served almost as a test case for potential future relaxation of cannabis laws.

Having said that, MMs probably have a less broad appeal - so therefore fewer people would be interested in taking them - but also a far greater social stigma - associated with hallucinations in general.

It never seemed like a tenable situation in Ireland though, where the Late Late Show demographic still holds most of the influence.

sudzs · 31-01-2006 3:48pm

I agree !!! I heard that the family of the guy who jumped off a balcony went up to Mary Harney with some mushies and said "Look, these things killed my brother, will you ban them?" And she did just that.

Can I bring her into a car dealer/pub/tobacconist and say "Look, my brother was killed by these things, will you ban them???"

I think not. Typical bloody kneejerk reaction.

sudzs · 31-01-2006 3:49pm

Meant to say I agree with DavemcG... sorry, I'm brand new!!! But you know what I mean anyway...

sudzs · 31-01-2006 3:51pm

And anyway, anyone know the legalities of the Big Mama being able to just up and say "this is now illegal" Shouldn't there have been a debate in the Dail? Or was there one??

Catsmokinpot · 31-01-2006 3:52pm

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/01/31/story242538.html

i think its completely disgracefull, i also think that Mary fúck face Harney is using this issue to cover the fact that she lost €56 million out of her health budget through "day to day spending"

no-one takes in to account the reported 4 BOTTLES OF WINE the man drank that same night

proven by many doctors to cause depression....

2 + 2 people!!!!

2 + 2

Riesen_Meal · 31-01-2006 3:54pm

I thought this hadnt come in just yet?

I was gonna get and stock up on em before Id have to wait for mushy season again!!!!

:rolleyes:

Bluetonic · 31-01-2006 3:55pm

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/01/31/story242538.html

Sale of magic mushrooms outlawed
31/01/2006 - 15:19:45

The sale of magic mushrooms in the state is set to be completely outlawed today following the closure of a legal loophole.

The hallucinogenic fungi have been linked to the death of a man in Dublin and have been the subject of a High Court action by a shop owner in Cork.

Tánaiste and Minister for Health Mary Harney is now set to introduce a regulation under the Misuse of Drugs Act to make it illegal to sell them in their raw state.

“She brought it to cabinet this morning to seek Government approval on it, and it’s a matter then of signing the regulation. It’ll be effective immediately,” said a spokesman.

Under the current legislation, it is illegal to sell magic mushrooms if they are processed but not if they are in their raw state.

Around 50 shops in Ireland currently sell magic mushrooms but they will now have to remove them from their shelves to comply with the law.

Last week, Helen Stone, who runs the Funky Skunk shop in Cork City, failed to get a High Court order stopping customs officers from seizing shipments of unprocessed magic mushrooms that she wanted to sell in her store.

But Ms Justice Mary Laffoy said there was a fair issue to be tried and said she would give an early date for a hearing of the case.

There was further controversy about magic mushrooms last year, when a man in his 30s from Dun Laoghaire died after allegedly taking them and jumping out of the balcony at his apartment.

His family believe the magic mushrooms were a factor in his death.

toiletduck · 31-01-2006 3:55pm

whats going to happen to our beloved "head shop" here in galway that sell them.... poor guys...

Goodshape · 31-01-2006 4:00pm

Catsmokinpot wrote:

no-one takes in to account the reported 4 BOTTLES OF WINE the man drank that same night

I didn't even hear that. Is it true? Linky?

Catsmokinpot · 31-01-2006 4:06pm

Goodshape wrote:

I didn't even hear that. Is it true? Linky?

i had a link for it in one of the previous discussions about this in afterhrs but im banned from there so i cant get it

Raskolnikov · 31-01-2006 4:08pm

:rolleyes:

Typical, FF/PD bowing to the public pressure of a few in order to win a few quick votes. Not even a thought to how this will drive a comparatively harmless activity into some thing underground and criminal.

nosmo · 31-01-2006 4:17pm

Quick question, how does the tainiste make this illegal? with "immediate effect"?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0131/mushrooms.html

rubadub · 31-01-2006 4:35pm

Has she signed the thing yet or what? nothing says it has been passed yet.

DublinWriter · 31-01-2006 4:35pm

dathi1 wrote:

So we had a fairly workable situation with mushrooms being sold via vendors in Dublin and Cork to people going to festivals, house parties, rural meet ups etc. One gob****e throws himself off a building and bang! Harney's on the political capital prohibition bandwagon again.
result?

Damn straight, you took the words right out of my mouth.

How many alcohol-related deaths have we had in the state so far this year?

Catsmokinpot · 31-01-2006 4:46pm

it appears i was wrong was looking for an article for it and i found this, this said he was only drinking cans.... i feel like a right idiot now

http://www.dublinpeople.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=683&Itemid=49
trying to think where i got 4 bottles of wine out of think it was the sky news website

edit: oooooh yes it was a similar situation with a man who had just drank 4 bottles of wine and jumped off a building thinking he could fly it was on the sky news website.... yet wine is still readily available in shops.....

flogen · 31-01-2006 5:09pm

Raskolnikov wrote:

:rolleyes:

Typical, FF/PD bowing to the public pressure of a few in order to win a few quick votes. Not even a thought to how this will drive a comparatively harmless activity into some thing underground and criminal.

The funny thing is that there is no real public pressure, just a family and the usual suspects.

So gangsters get another drug to deal in, businesses in Dublin, Cork, etc. have lost their main source of revenue (:D) and all because one guy jumped off a building. According to friends he took less than the recommended dosage; have any toxoligy reports confirmed this?

constitutionus · 31-01-2006 5:26pm

nosmo wrote:

Quick question, how does the tainiste make this illegal? with "immediate effect"?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0131/mushrooms.html

"psycho active", makes it sound like the mushrooms wear balaclavas and tote guns

this is stupid. the bloody things grow WILD , whatll happen if some gob****e eats toadstools along with this, will the farmer whos land it is be held responsible for growing an illeagal substance:rolleyes:

honnestly, there WILL be more dead people in A&E at the end of this week from alcohol than EVER died on mushrooms:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

so ONE guy died, its tragic but people in this country die from eating PEANUTS ! , does that mean we should ban SNICKERS bars

:rolleyes:

Ag marbh · 31-01-2006 5:36pm

Another example of the backwards world we live in. Absolutey disgraceful and just shows how clueless our government and general public can be.

On the other hand, I'll enjoy growing more potent ones(Columbian) from a kit again and selling them at double the price because I can.

Maskhadov · 31-01-2006 5:37pm

Akrasia wrote:

In the last half hour, Nature has been criminalised on the emerald Isle, the Nanny state has decreed that they are too dangerous for us idiot citizens, perhaps we should all go out and play hurling or go mountaineering or go for a nice healthy walk even though those wholesome activities have killed and injured more people than magic mushrooms ever have.

Thank god is all I say. Magic Mushrooms are a dangerous substance and people have already died from taking them. Young people shouldnt have easy access to narcotics.

DublinWriter · 31-01-2006 5:42pm

Ag marbh wrote:

On the other hand, I'll enjoy growing more potent ones(Columbian) from a kit again and selling them at double the price because I can.

Outside school gates I bet....YOU MONSTER!!!

flogen · 31-01-2006 5:43pm

Quick Question; has anyone ever actually died from taking them (besides the idiots that pick the wrong ones) or is it just deaths that occoured under the influence?

Ag marbh · 31-01-2006 5:44pm

DublinWriter wrote:

Outside school gates I bet....YOU MONSTER!!!

Ah no, I wil grow more potent ones(Columbian) and sell the amongst people I know for a fair price.

Ag marbh · 31-01-2006 5:45pm

flogen wrote:

Quick Question; has anyone ever actually died from taking them (besides the idiots that pick the wrong ones) or is it just deaths that occoured under the influence?

No recorded death from mushrooms,cannabis or acid other than like you said people acting the bollox while on them

KerranJast · 31-01-2006 5:47pm

Maskhadov wrote:

Thank god is all I say. Magic Mushrooms are a dangerous substance and people have already died from taking them. Young people shouldnt have easy access to narcotics.

They have easy access to narcotics anyway. Those places are called the pub, the offie, the chemist and the local field. Banning mushrooms won't stop people going out and possibly picking poisonous ones. It's a bit hypocritical of the Government to ban them when fags kill waaay more people every year and cost the health service millions. Why don't they ban them? REVENUE! It's a nice handy earner for the Government. IMO stuff like cannabis and mushrooms should be available to adults if they want them because otherwise people like John Gilligan who made most of his cash from cannabis, will control the trade and people WILL die. BTW I've said it already I'm not into drugs but if people want to do it, you're not going to be able to stop them.

Ag marbh · 31-01-2006 5:49pm

Maskhadov wrote:

Thank god is all I say. Magic Mushrooms are a dangerous substance and people have already died from taking them. Young people shouldnt have easy access to narcotics.

Would you get out of that.

Catsmokinpot · 31-01-2006 5:52pm

ah lads give up on the legal system, democracy doesnt work, shock tactics, blowing things out of proportion and fake statistics rule. **** democracy! it sucks donkeyballs same as every other system of government out there! hope it falls soon :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Raskolnikov · 31-01-2006 5:53pm

Maskhadov wrote:

Thank god is all I say. Magic Mushrooms are a dangerous substance and people have already died from taking them. Young people shouldnt have easy access to narcotics.

The man who jumped out the window was 30, other than him, there have been no recorded cases of deaths from the consumption of magic mushrooms.

PTL · 31-01-2006 6:00pm

Its a sad sad day for ireland, can anyone on the boards that actually voted for the owlfella and the cookie monster to get into power put up your hands to be shot.

And anyone who says ... good im glad there banned ... how many people do you know PERSONALLY has had there lives ruined over magic mushrooms? ok now how many people do you know PERSONALLY that has had there life ruined by drink? alcoholic or deseases or taken advantage of or beaten up? you probably know one from each catigory.

Ok what next? do we wait to see what the law is and hopefully there will be a way for responsible people to still enjoy there hobbie(some people enjoy growing them just as much as taking them) or is there anyway to fight this?

Goodshape · 31-01-2006 6:01pm

Catsmokinpot wrote:

ah lads give up on the legal system, democracy doesnt work, shock tactics, blowing things out of proportion and fake statistics rule. **** democracy! it sucks donkeyballs same as every other system of government out there! hope it falls soon :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I don't remember reading or hearing about any democratic vote on the issue. Although I'm sure if there had been it would have been the same result, unforunitly.

Ag marbh · 31-01-2006 6:02pm

PTL wrote:

Its a sad sad day for ireland, can anyone on the boards that actually voted for the owlfella and the cookie monster to get into power put up your hands to be shot.

And anyone who says ... good im glad there banned ... how many people do you know PERSONALLY has had there lives ruined over magic mushrooms? ok now how many people do you know PERSONALLY that has had there life ruined by drink? alcoholic or deseases or taken advantage of or beaten up? you probably know one from each catigory.

Ok what next? do we wait to see what the law is and hopefully there will be a way for responsible people to still enjoy there hobbie(some people enjoy growing them just as much as taking them) or is there anyway to fight this?

My cousins best friend ruined his life and his families life. He just couldnt stop injecting those mushrooms.

FX Meister · 31-01-2006 6:06pm

Jeez, what a pack of morons posting here. Alcohol and tobaco make millions for the government. The sale of mushies doesn't earn them that much. As for the spas who say they grow wild, no, they don't. And if you don't know this then you should take some and fly off a balcony. As for saying that it will push them into the hands of drug dealers, complete bollocks again. No dealer is going to waste his time with a drug like this. LSD isn't even easily available anymore.

Heinrich · 31-01-2006 6:07pm

Maybe the Tanaiste will ban cactus while she is at it! What an incompetent politician we have here.

The computer scandal is long forgotten as will be the trolley farce. I had the displeasure of visiting a niece in Beaumont who had spent a dy/night on a chair in the A&E. Seeing this firsthand was a shock! That Tanaiste lady was in the establishment trying to counter the nurses postcard scheme. If those politicians did the job they were supposed to be doing we might have a decent healt service, less gangsters and a healthier economy.

So the mushrooms will provide a smokescreen for the scams!

plonk · 31-01-2006 6:09pm

FX Meister wrote:

Jeez, what a pack of morons posting here. As for the spas who say they grow wild, no, they don't. And if you don't know this then you should take some and fly off a balcony.

Do you have any clue what your talking about. Of course they grow wild.

Heinrich · 31-01-2006 6:11pm

FX Meister wrote:

Jeez, what a pack of morons posting here. Alcohol and tobaco make millions for the government. The sale of mushies doesn't earn them that much. As for the spas who say they grow wild, no, they don't. And if you don't know this then you should take some and fly off a balcony. As for saying that it will push them into the hands of drug dealers, complete bollocks again. No dealer is going to waste his time with a drug like this. LSD isn't even easily available anymore.

They do grow wild! When they are difficult to get the price will go up. Dealers will waste any amount of time making money wherever they can.

FX Meister · 31-01-2006 6:13pm

Goodshape wrote:

I don't remember reading or hearing about any democratic vote on the issue. Although I'm sure if there had been it would have been the same result, unforunitly.

Don't try to use big words you cannot spell to make yourself seem smarter than you really are.

Goodshape · 31-01-2006 6:15pm

FX Meister wrote:

Jeez, what a pack of morons posting here. Alcohol and tobaco make millions for the government. The sale of mushies doesn't earn them that much.

So it's down to them not getting money, rather than for the benifit of the public, that they were made illegal. The makes me feel better alright. God bless our capitalist overlords.

As for the spas who say they grow wild, no, they don't. And if you don't know this then you should take some and fly off a balcony.

Um, yes they most certainly do. I have picked them, I have eaten them, I have had a hell of a good time as a result. Irish mushrooms are among the best in the world. Come september all you need to do is find the right field... and try not to pick the ones that will kill you. Only real difference of them being available in the shop is a wider variety, a more regulated dose and no risk of getting the wrong ones.

Heinrich · 31-01-2006 6:16pm

FX Meister wrote:

Don't try to use big words you cannot spell to make yourself seem smarter than you really are.

Off topic!!!:mad:

Goodshape · 31-01-2006 6:16pm

FX Meister wrote:

Don't try to use big words you cannot spell to make yourself seem smarter than you really are.

That's a good point, I can clearly see how it furthers your argument alright.

Magic Mushrooms have just been made Illegal in Ireland

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