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Inquitus

Just helped my bro put this together

AMD X2 4800+
2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Z503 - Micron -5B D
Lian-Li Pre-modded Case and Inventiv MachII GT
XFI-Fata1ty
3 x 74GB Raptors in Raid 0
1 x 500GB Sata II 16MB Cache NCQ
2 x EVGA 7800GTX 512MB in SLI
DFI-Lanparty UT SLI Expert

Have to say that compared to the many watercooled Rigs I have put together, this was a breeze. I thought the Phase setup would be more complex and a much harder build, I couldn't have been more wrong. 1 evening and we had her up and running -36C on the CPU, Windows installed and BF2 and FEAR up and running (at about 1000FPS lol).

So anyone who has been holding off on phase cooling for whatever reason.....It's actually a piece of piss.

Inqui

ShiverinEskimo

How much for the whole lot do you mind me asking?

Also what clock speed have you the 4800 at?

Would you not have waited a few weeks for the FX-60??

DemonOfTheFall

Wow, now that is a pc and a half. That guy will now have the king kong of e-penii!

Inquitus

200 euros extra for the FX-60 which is just an unlocked and cherry picked 4800+ anyways. So no, would never have bothered with that overpriced POS fullstop. I had an unlocked engineering Intel a while ago, and I found it gave next to feck all extra in terms of OC'ing than it's multi locked brothers. If you have the RAM to run the extreme FSB's then being multi unlocked really gives only a very slight, if any, assistance.

The RAM purchased can do 3-3-3-7 over and around the 300FSB mark, so we should be laughing. The setup has not been OC'd yet as it was only built there on Thurs and we've been out on the p1SS all weekend. Still need to flash the mobo to the latest bios and niggly stuff like that b4 we push the limits of the system.

Inqui

Oh and the Lian-Li looks great with the Lian-Li kitted MachII underneath.

ShiverinEskimo

I wouldn't call the FX-60 a piece of **** just yet. The huge difference between it and an OC'd 4800 is the fact that the FX-60's stock voltage is only 1.4 volts - leaving massive headroom for overclocking and with yoru setup I imagine you could get some serious clocks from an FX-60.

gline

Inquitus wrote:

So anyone who has been holding off on phase cooling for whatever reason.....It's actually a piece of piss.

Inqui

most ppl dont get it because of the price.. but once u go phase u can t go back, it is soo sweet, guarenteed ocing

po0k

Personally I find my traditional family blood rituals deliver better oc margins than phase-peltier.

It aint called the Dark Art of Silicon Sadism for nothing you know...

WizZard

Inquitus wrote:

Just helped my bro put this together

AMD X2 4800+
2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Z503 - Micron -5B D
Lian-Li Pre-modded Case and Inventiv MachII GT
XFI-Fata1ty
3 x 74GB Raptors in Raid 0
1 x 500GB Sata II 16MB Cache NCQ
2 x EVGA 7800GTX 512MB in SLI
DFI-Lanparty UT SLI Expert

Have to say that compared to the many watercooled Rigs I have put together, this was a breeze. I thought the Phase setup would be more complex and a much harder build, I couldn't have been more wrong. 1 evening and we had her up and running -36C on the CPU, Windows installed and BF2 and FEAR up and running (at about 1000FPS lol).

So anyone who has been holding off on phase cooling for whatever reason.....It's actually a piece of piss.

Inqui

I am ultra jealous and almost ashamed of my new system

masteroftherealm

Heh no offence but the FX-60 seems to be an amzing clocker. Wiping the floor with 4800's!!
Still an amazing system man!!!!

Inquitus

The bastads got the 1KW PCP&C PSU aswell

gline

Inquitus wrote:

The bastads got the 1KW PCP&C PSU aswell

yeh its a sweet psu, not too noisey either

CivilServant

Inquitus wrote:

The bastads got the 1KW PCP&C PSU aswell

Loud as ***k tho.

Altogether that pc is costing over 4k easy. I wouldn't like to spend that amount of money on a pc but I don't mind watching other people do it

gline

CivilServant wrote:

Loud as ***k tho.

no its not. the 1kw psu is not loud as it runs cool, because it is never running anywhere near 100% load and it is huge. fan isnt noisey either

DemonOfTheFall

It wouldn't matter at all what % load a PSU is running at.

It's only Current drawn / Efficiency. Whether its a 1k PSU pulling 300watts or a 300 watt PSU pulling 300watts. If they have the same efficiency they're making the same amount of heat and will need the same amount of cooling.

I've never heard of a quiet PCP&C though... They all use triblade Delta leafblowers from what I've heard/seen.

gline

DemonOfTheFall wrote:

It wouldn't matter at all what % load a PSU is running at.

It's only Current drawn / Efficiency. Whether its a 1k PSU pulling 300watts or a 300 watt PSU pulling 300watts. If they have the same efficiency they're making the same amount of heat and will need the same amount of cooling.

I've never heard of a quiet PCP&C though... They all use triblade Delta leafblowers from what I've heard/seen.

no.. the newer ones are quieter

Endurance Man

Sounds awsome, whos about some pics

Inquitus

Will snap some pics when I see him at the weekend.

unklerosco

So... how much did it cost??

Inquitus

Alot I'd guess
800ish for CPU
300ish for RAM
200ish for Mobo
1500ish for both GFX
800ish for Phase Cooling and Case
200ish for XFI
500ish for 3 75gig Raptors
300 ish for 500GB HD
100ish for 2 x Top of Line DVD Burners
100ish for this cool Akasa Combo Crad Reader, Sata, USB, Firewire yoke

4800ish at a knowledgeable Guess

Inqui

Inquitus

Just priced up an inferior Dell

Now From
€ 4,549

Dual Core P4 EE
2gig DDR2 667 Ram

Comparable everywhere else but no phase cooling and only 2 x 256 7800GTX

So is not that bad I suppose!

conzy

The Crucial ballistix ram is amazing mine is currently at 280mhz at (2.5-3-3-6) at only 2.9volts and it can go higher, but anandtech say that 280 is the best speed/timings you can get from the ballistix, Oh and it 8hours Prime stable:)

Gone West

you cant have 3 hard drives in raid 0...

Inquitus

FuzzyLogic wrote:

you cant have 3 hard drives in raid 0...

Clearly with your limited Comp knowledge you should post somewhere else lol.

Cant have more than 2 HD in Raid 0

lol

Muppet

CivilServant

FuzzyLogic wrote:

you cant have 3 hard drives in raid 0...

umm.... :newsflash: you can!

Endurance Man

Ouch fuzzy, best you change your sig .

Gone West

Inquitus wrote:

Clearly with your limited Comp knowledge you should post somewhere else lol.

Cant have more than 2 HD in Raid 0

lol

Muppet

re-read my original post.
thanks.
Yes, you can have more than 2 drives in raid 0.
Why not check out this handy resource or google for more information.

Re: limited computer knowledge, I don't claim to know a whole lot, but I do know that I've been using and building computers when you were swimming around your daddies bollocks.

thanks.

You can actually have 3 drives, but technically it not true raid 0.

Endurance Man wrote:

Ouch fuzzy, best you change your sig .

What has my sig got to do with RAID/anything? (confused)

Endurance Man

FuzzyLogic wrote:

What has my sig got to do with RAID/anything? (confused)

Well you did just kinda change it a few minutes ago :rolleyes: , sure you can work it out.

DemonOfTheFall

Ah come on that's a pathetic argument. Sure it might not technically be RAID 0, but it is for all intents and purposes.

It's e-penis waving by both parties, who gives a bollox.

The Real B-man

its all RAID RAID RAID

Inquitus

FuzzyLogic wrote:

Re: limited computer knowledge, I don't claim to know a whole lot, but I do know that I've been using and building computers when you were swimming around your daddies bollocks.

Hmmm building computers when I was in my Daddies bollocks eh?

Sorry I failed to realise you were a 60's Mainframe Computer God! I bow to your superior knowledge feckwit!

And RAID 0 isn't raid if ya want to split hairs as it is non Redundant.

AID 0 it is

WizZard

Well now, if we're splitting hairs it can hardly be AID either when they're Raptors!

AD 0 it is so

Dooom

Could just call it DefCon 7.

Guy 1:"What Data setup do you have in you're pc?"

Guy 2:"Oh, I set up something new with the latest build- DefCon 7."

Guy 1:"Duuuuuuuuuuude...."

Gone West

*sigh*
Its all about the e penis people.

And endurance man, I haven't changed my sig file in weeks.

gline

DemonOfTheFall wrote:

It wouldn't matter at all what % load a PSU is running at.

It's only Current drawn / Efficiency. Whether its a 1k PSU pulling 300watts or a 300 watt PSU pulling 300watts. If they have the same efficiency they're making the same amount of heat and will need the same amount of cooling.

I've never heard of a quiet PCP&C though... They all use triblade Delta leafblowers from what I've heard/seen.

see http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3134968&postcount=18

Col_Loki wrote:

Generally with the better quality PSU's (and increasing wattage) they have much bigger heatsinks which means lower fan speed and quieter operation. Given lets say a 450w PSU v 350w PSU , to power a system the 450w is going to have less % load on it than the 350w PSU so it tends to have slower running fans....... .

on the big 1kw psu - not as much load which means less heat which means fan runs slower

rsynnott

DemonOfTheFall wrote:

It's only Current drawn / Efficiency. Whether its a 1k PSU pulling 300watts or a 300 watt PSU pulling 300watts. If they have the same efficiency they're making the same amount of heat and will need the same amount of cooling.
.

This is true, but misleading. The larger unit will be able to dissipate the same amount of heat over a larger area (large power supplies are generally physically large) so will generally require less cooling.

rsynnott

FuzzyLogic wrote:

you cant have 3 hard drives in raid 0...

You certainly can with software RAID. I doubt most hardware RAID would be overly enamoured with it, but proper hardware RAID is unusual, and certainly rare in mad-gamer-computers.

gline

rsynnott wrote:

You certainly can with software RAID. I doubt most hardware RAID would be overly enamoured with it, but proper hardware RAID is unusual, and certainly rare in mad-gamer-computers.

most new decent "home-user" mobos support hardware raid-5 now, so it is becoming more common.

rsynnott

gline wrote:

most new decent "home-user" mobos support hardware raid-5 now, so it is becoming more common.

Really? Which ones? Bear in mind that most things labelled hardware RAID aren't. (They're often hardware-assisted RAID)

gline

rsynnott wrote:

Really? Which ones? Bear in mind that most things labelled hardware RAID aren't. (They're often hardware-assisted RAID)

new dfi+asus AFAIK, yeh i dont know wether it is full hardware raid5

WizZard

If you're talking about the onboard Silicon Image Si3xx4 then it's hardware-assisted and not full hardware RAID, IIRC.

DemonOfTheFall

gline wrote:

see http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3134968&postcount=18

Just because somebody else said it before hardly makes it true, the thing about a lower % of maximum load meaning a lower amount of waste heat is just bollox. It has literally zero scientific basis.

Imagine you have 1000w PSU. It's rated at 75% efficiency at 300w draw (Very generous estimate, i'd be amazed if the PCP&C was). Your 300w is 30% of it's rated ability. Look how it doesn't get involved anywhere in these calculations. It will draw

300w / 75% from the wall. =400w
400 - 300 = 100w of that is wasted by inefficiency. It's pretty much all going to be heat. So lets just say 100w of heat.

Now let's imagine you have a 350watt powersupply with a 75% efficiency rated at 300w draw (pretty possible with an Antec NeoHE or a Seasonic). The 300watt draw is 85.7 % of it's rated power. That doesn't get involved in these calcs at all either.

300w / 75% from the wall = 400w
400w - 300w = 100w of waste. Lets call all of that heat aswell, I doubt much of it is going to be anything else.

There you have both powersupplies making the exact same amount of heat. The % of rated power has literally NOTHING got to do with waste heat. Assuming that the higher power powersupply will make less noise because it may or may not have larger heatsinks is just away of justifying spending the price of a cheap pc on a powersupply.

300 - 400 watt high efficiency quiet PSUs like NeoHEs and Seasonics totally annihilate this argument.