Smoking Ban: Shopped anyone yet?

cerbeus

Has anyone had the need to report anybody for breaking the new Smoking Ban?

I was in a snooker hall and saw some you lads lighting up. Went to report to the person in charge but he just shrugged his shoulders and said he hadn't seen them so he did nothing!

SheroN

not a personal issue, moving to Afterhours.

ChipZilla

That's pretty sad. Hanging around snooker halls ratting on smokers? What age are you? 10?

Get a life. :rolleyes:

flogen

its pretty sad that your hanging around forums trying to make people feel bad, and doing such a bad job of it too.

If I saw anyone smoking in a pub, i'd say it to a bar man, the law is there for a reason, and after all this time and debate, I'm not going to let someone smoke and piss me off just so I'm not called a 'rat'.

Flogen

cerbeus

For years I've put up with other people's smoke but now I don't have to. It's just a coincidence that they were young lads.

The reason for this post was to guage whether other people encountered the same response from owners/managers of places where people had made complaints.

ChipZilla

Originally posted by flogen
its pretty sad that your hanging around forums trying to make people feel bad, and doing such a bad job of it too.

If I saw anyone smoking in a pub, i'd say it to a bar man, the law is there for a reason, and after all this time and debate, I'm not going to let someone smoke and piss me off just so I'm not called a 'rat'.

Flogen

Boo hoo. :rolleyes: If you object so much, why not have the courage of your convictions, walk up to the smoker and say "Excuse me. Mind putting your cigarette out?"

You never know, the smoker might just say "Sorry about that. Silly me - I didn't think about the comfort and wellbeing of others. It won't happen again. Sir. Honest."

SheroN

You never know, the smoker might just say "Sorry about that. Silly me - I didn't think about the comfort and wellbeing of others. It won't happen again. Sir. Honest."

or chances are if you approach someone in a snooker hall and do that they'll either punch you or wear a que off the side of your head.

Paddy20

The Smoking Ban ?..

The backlash is coming. Business involved in tourism in the North West are complaining that their bookings and everyday business takings have dropped between 10 & 15% since the introduction of this new anti-smoker legislation.

They now plan a legal challenge against this ban, and there are some real heavyweights rolling up their sleeves. Should be interesting, and apparently the challenge is to start in Donegal with Hoteliers at the forefront.

ChipZilla

or chances are if you approach someone in a snooker hall and do that they'll either punch you or wear a que off the side of your head.

Yes, that is a possibility. Maybe the manager of the snooker hall thought of that too. Well, if you will be in snooker halls during the day, you you can be guaranteed of bumping into an unsavoury character or two who doesn't give a a sh**e about the rules...

subway_ie

Originally posted by cerbeus
Went to report to the person in charge but he just shrugged his shoulders and said he hadn't seen them so he did nothing!

As a barman, if somebody came up to me complaining I'd probably say the same thing. It's more hassle than it's worth to try and stop these people smoking. If they're smoking in the first place it just shows that they don't give a damn about it, not the kind of person you want to approach and give orders to, especially if you don't own the place.

RainyDay

Originally posted by Paddy20
The Smoking Ban ?..

The backlash is coming. Business involved in tourism in the North West are complaining that their bookings and everyday business takings have dropped between 10 & 15% since the introduction of this new anti-smoker legislation.

They now plan a legal challenge against this ban, and there are some real heavyweights rolling up their sleeves. Should be interesting, and apparently the challenge is to start in Donegal with Hoteliers at the forefront.

Oooh I'm quaking in me boots now! Nothing like a few overweight Donegal hoteliers to set Michael Martin straight!

I'd bet a fiver that UK/NI will go non-smoking long before any change is consdered here. There is no way that any Govt will roll back on 'clearing the fog' for the 75% non-smokers in the population.

Originally posted by subway_ie
As a barman, if somebody came up to me complaining I'd probably say the same thing. It's more hassle than it's worth to try and stop these people smoking. If they're smoking in the first place it just shows that they don't give a damn about it, not the kind of person you want to approach and give orders to, especially if you don't own the place.

I presume you expect the bar owner to take the same 'laissez faire' attitude to you when he gets hit with an inspection from the Environmental Health Officers and possibly a 3,000 fine?

Only Human

Originally posted by subway_ie
As a barman, if somebody came up to me complaining I'd probably say the same thing. It's more hassle than it's worth to try and stop these people smoking. If they're smoking in the first place it just shows that they don't give a damn about it, not the kind of person you want to approach and give orders to, especially if you don't own the place.

You Forgot to close your quote. if i were your manager you'd be fired

ChipZilla

subway_ie, you got your quotes wrong there.

I didn't say:

Went to report to the person in charge but he just shrugged his shoulders and said he hadn't seen them so he did nothing!

Don't want people thinking that was *my* whiny behaviour...

flogen

Originally posted by ChipZilla
Yes, that is a possibility. Maybe the manager of the snooker hall thought of that too. Well, if you will be in snooker halls during the day, you you can be guaranteed of bumping into an unsavoury character or two who doesn't give a a sh**e about the rules...

And so intimidation is enough to let others break the law?
If it was a situation where I saw someone smoking, I'd sus them out, if they looked ok, i might ask them first, if I thought they'd cause trouble, I'd go to the bar/boss. If the person there said 'so what' or something like that, i'd leave. I'm sure they wouldnt care that much, but I'm not willing to put up with people breaking the law (I'd also report the place to the health and safety workers).

Its stupid to say that you should keep your mouth shut, its your own fault for going into a snooker hall, firstly your assuming that theyre always full of scum, and secondly your saying we should let the scum do what they want.

Flogen

cerbeus

it's not about tackling the person yourself, it's about the manager/person in charge enforcing the ban and them dealing with it. This person's attitude was that if he didn't see it then it must not have happened which is what pissed me off.

Paddy20

Rainyday,

If you are going to act as a spokesperson for smokers. Then try and spell The Minister for Healths name correctly ? It's "Micheal" not Michael.

Then somebody might take you seriously. Not me though

Stephen

Paddy, criticising someone's spelling is lame. Haven't got a better argument?

subway_ie

Originally posted by RainyDay
I presume you expect the bar owner to take the same 'laissez faire' attitude to you when he gets hit with an inspection from the Environmental Health Officers and possibly a 3,000 fine?

So you would confront a person, who's drunk and aggressive, about not being able to smoke inside? I'm not going to risk my safety for a just-over minimum wage job.

ChipZilla

Originally posted by flogen
And so intimidation is enough to let others break the law?
If it was a situation where I saw someone smoking, I'd sus them out, if they looked ok, i might ask them first, if I thought they'd cause trouble, I'd go to the bar/boss. If the person there said 'so what' or something like that, i'd leave. I'm sure they wouldnt care that much, but I'm not willing to put up with people breaking the law (I'd also report the place to the health and safety workers).

Its stupid to say that you should keep your mouth shut, its your own fault for going into a snooker hall, firstly your assuming that theyre always full of scum, and secondly your saying we should let the scum do what they want.

Flogen

Hey Flogen, I didn't say I'd bash your head in with a cue or anything if you asked me to put a smoke out. You can't judge a book by the cover, and that dodgy-looking person with the fag in his mouth might be a nice person who will respond nicely to a request to stop smoking. Or not. You don't know until you ask. If somebody wanted me to do something, I'd have far more respect for the person if he/she asked me rather than going to the boss/snooker hall manager/bus driver/priest/etc. and getting them to do their bidding.

And BTW, where did I say snooker halls are "always full of scum" and "your (sic) saying we should let the scum do what they want". I said neither. Get your facts straight.

Paddy20

Stephen,

Of course I have a better arguement. My views on this flawed draconian legislation are well known, and I have no intention of repeating them because you have not read them.

Rainydays spelling is not really what annoyed me. It was her superior attitude that got right up my snotty nose

Jim

Tbh Chip, not matter what else you say, your original reply still lingers.

As for people getting shopped Bono got caught smoking in one of his hotels a couple of weeks ago. No word if he is getting prosecuted though. If they don't I think it will just incite smokers to light up again. They need to make even a small example of him if they are serious about the whole thing.

flogen

chip, I know you didnt say they were scum, but you did say you should expect dodgy people in a snooker hall, and that they are happy to break the rules.
I know you cant judge a book by its cover, but the bystander cannot be expected to put their health on the line just to see the law upheld. Its the barmanagers problem if people are smoking, so why not bring it to them? if they dont want to deal with it, the health and safety officers will. You may respect someone more for saying it to your face, but many others may not.

Flogen

red_ice

In the imortal words of chandler bing

the bottom line is, smokings cool.

If you dont like the ban, and you have a problem, go somewhere where you can expect to be free of it. Pool halls aint pool halls without smoke imo. My game goes totally off if im not smoking when i play pool, its just there to help me focus.

True the law is there, and i do try to abide by it, but id have more respect for someone in a pool hall if they asked me to put it out politly. If they went to the manager or what not, id get annoyed and it would definitly circulate through my mind about hitting them - but i wouldnt :P

Stop being a bitch, a snooker hall is a mans room, if you cant act like one, dont be in one (girls are welcome)

red_ice

also, when smoking was legal - did you moan to the manager about the 10 chaps with peaked hats in the corner rolling joints?

dont think so...

Doodah7

The simple way of ensuring that the tobacco laws are enforced is to put 1890 333100 onto your mobile phone and let the Office of Tobacco Control sort out the offenders for you. That way you do your duty and you don't get your head kicked in...

Jim

Originally posted by red_ice
Stop being a bitch, a snooker hall is a mans room, if you cant act like one, dont be in one (girls are welcome)

You can't be serious.

flogen

Originally posted by red_ice
If you dont like the ban, and you have a problem, go somewhere where you can expect to be free of it.

wel with the new ban in place, I expect pubs and pool halls to be smoke free, i'd be delusional to have thought that before march, but now its the rational idea.

Flogen

Well I for one think we all need a nice, cool mentholated Laramie cigarette...

I loved that there is no smoking anymore, I don't smell like 'pub' anymore. But the litter and obsessive smoking in houses and outside can be very disgusting. I saw some lads sparking up at an indoor concert a few days ago, but thats the only situation I have seen.

Guy:Incognito

Originally posted by Jimeatsmenu


As for people getting shopped Bono got caught smoking in one of his hotels a couple of weeks ago. =

Arent cigarette companies evil, and threatening peoples health, surely Bono being such a freedom fighter be giving his extra money help fight third world debt instead of breaking the law? sorry bout going ot.:D

ChipZilla

Originally posted by tallpaul
The simple way of ensuring that the tobacco laws are enforced is to put 1890 333100 onto your mobile phone and let the Office of Tobacco Control sort out the offenders for you. That way you do your duty and you don't get your head kicked in...

Yeah the nanny state is alive and well. It'll just be a matter of time before we have 1890 numbers for "shopping" that neighbour you never liked with the out-of-date tax disc on his car, or those inconsiderates who put brown glass in the green bottle bank, or people who don't stand up for the national anthem.

We get more politically correct by the day...

gonker

I have visited my local....which is 5 doors away from me..... more often now since the smoking ban came in than ever before.....it is sooooo much better now.
I havent seen anybody breaking the law but...

flogen

ditto on that gonker, its so much better, generally i think that any drop in sales from smokers will be easily picked up by a rise is sales from non-smokers.

As for nanny state, what a load of crap. You can smoke if you choose to, I chose not to, and would like it to make a difference in my life. Me being forced to breath in other peoples smoke often means I may as well just smoke anyway. This law protects non-smokers and workers, but it doesnt tell you what you can and cant do, it just tells youre not allowed to harm other people while you do it.

Flogen

seamus

Originally posted by subway_ie
As a barman, if somebody came up to me complaining I'd probably say the same thing. It's more hassle than it's worth to try and stop these people smoking. If they're smoking in the first place it just shows that they don't give a damn about it, not the kind of person you want to approach and give orders to, especially if you don't own the place.

To drag up an old chestnut, surely if the same guy came in, sat down, and started opening up some cans of dutchie he got from the local off licence, you'd do something. What's the difference?

RainyDay

Originally posted by Paddy20
Rainyday,

If you are going to act as a spokesperson for smokers. Then try and spell The Minister for Healths name correctly ? It's "Micheal" not Michael.

Then somebody might take you seriously. Not me though

Hi Paddy, If you are going to correct my spelling, then you really should get your own content, grammar & punctuation right first;

- I wasn't acting as a spokesperson for smokers, as should have been fairly obvious from my sentiments.
- No full stop/capital latter after 'If you are .... for smokers' as this is not a sentence.
- "the Minister for Health's name", not "The Minister for Healths name"
- No space for the question mark - In fact, no question mark, as it is not a question.

But if you prefer, we can both stop playing silly buggers and keep to the topic in hand - fresh air.

Originally posted by subway_ie
So you would confront a person, who's drunk and aggressive, about not being able to smoke inside? I'm not going to risk my safety for a just-over minimum wage job.

Not my problem, Subway. How you decide who does what in your bar is between you and your manager/owner. Like other posters, I'm amazed that barmen never had any difficulty stopping people smoking joints or drinking booze purchased elsewhere, but claim to have a big problem stopping smoking. It's a feeble excuse. I know that if any staff member didn't act to prevent a customer smoking, I'd be onto the hotline promptly, and I'd make a point of calling the manager or owner also to let them know why they are going to be hit with a 3k fine.

Paddy20

RainyDay,

You really are a scream. You cheer me up something rotten, for some strange reason.

My grammar & punctuation really is bad, and that is how it will remain for the rest of my natural life, as I do not give a damn about it.

Have a nice 'smoke free' day, you have earned it.

May it always rain on your parade

RainyDay

Originally posted by Paddy20
The backlash is coming. Business involved in tourism in the North West are complaining that their bookings and everyday business takings have dropped between 10 & 15% since the introduction of this new anti-smoker legislation.

They now plan a legal challenge against this ban, and there are some real heavyweights rolling up their sleeves. Should be interesting, and apparently the challenge is to start in Donegal with Hoteliers at the forefront.

Interesting letter in today's Irish Times from the manager of Harry's bar in Donegal stating that business is NOT down and the bank is working well, with visitors coming in from over the border to enjoy the smoke-free atmosphere!

But with all the talk of a ban for the UK/NI, I guess it wont be too long before we have smoke-free pubs on both sides of the border.

ChipZilla

Originally posted by RainyDay
But with all the talk of a ban for the UK/NI, I guess it wont be too long before we have smoke-free pubs on both sides of the border.

I bet you're wetting your knickers at the thought of that. :rolleyes: Sadly for you, talk is all it is. The Labour government isn't going to do a thing about workplace smoking as they are on shaky enough ground with the voters as it is. And no other political party in the UK has anything smoking-related in their manifesto.

BigEejit

I was recently over in the UK and the smoke in the 2 bars I was in was fucking awful (not very thick smoke, just ordinary amounts) ... I am delighted to be back in Ireland's smoke free pubs .... and I do go out more often now, knowing that I wont have my eyes watering and end up smelling like a ashtray at the end of the night. The last place I was in before the ban came in was the Cube bar in Cork, you could barely make out the far wall the smoke was so bad, its a far more pleasant experience now....

The timing of the smoking ban was good, just coming into summer when it is not so onerous for the smokers .... but just wait until the cold wet weather and then you'll see the muppets trying to have crafty fags in the corners and thinking no-one will smell them :rolleyes:

BigEejit

Originally posted by ChipZilla
:rolleyes:

leave out the personal comments/slights muppet

ChipZilla

Originally posted by BigEejit
leave out the personal comments/slights muppet

Hey BigEejit, where's the "the personal comments/slights" muppet?

Somebody die and make you a mod? If you have a problem with something I post bring it to the attention of a mod by clicking on the "Report" link in the bottom right hand corner of the post.

Have a nice day.

the fnj

Can we keep this civil please,

make your points without lowering yourselves to personal insults.

RainyDay

Originally posted by ChipZilla
The Labour government isn't going to do a thing about workplace smoking as they are on shaky enough ground with the voters as it is. And no other political party in the UK has anything smoking-related in their manifesto.

Anyone else get that deja moo feeling (i.e. I've heard this bull before)? This sounds remarkably like all the oul guff we heard pre-March 2004 with all the reasons why the ban would never happen in Ireland. It was bull then and its bull now.

Kastro

i was all sick for 2 weeks from 2 much drink an drugs.. went to the doc.. his single most disturbing words were.. "christ your ****'ed up"

anywho my body gave up. i got all sorts of ear infections and mouth infections an crap.. and im only gettin over it properly. damn immune system. never trust Norton immune system.. its crap.

anyways i havent smoked since.. i think.

IgnatiusJRiley

So can we take it from the numerous off-topic replies that no-one has shopped anyone then?

Paddy20

Well, looks as though no one needs to "shop" anyone. As the Publicans are starting the backlash, and defying this stupid childish legislation by allowing smoking.

Very interesting. Hope RainyDay has been listening to the news

fitz

Might I suggest an IP check on ChipZilla and batbat.

"Have a nice day" being bandied about a bit...me smells duplicate accounts.

RainyDay

Originally posted by Paddy20
Well, looks as though no one needs to "shop" anyone. As the Publicans are starting the backlash, and defying this stupid childish legislation by allowing smoking.

Very interesting. Hope RainyDay has been listening to the news

Yep - I've been watching that Lawless dope in Galway back-pedalling faster than Lance Armstrong on rewind. He really didn't get very far, did he? And the tough guy in Cobh who was going to roll-back the clock wasn't so brave when the EHO's called.

sceptre

Apparently all time off for EHOs in Galway has been cancelled for the next few weeks. May be the whole of the western HB area but certainly the city. Probably not a good time to quietly defy the ban.

Paddy20

RainyDay,

The Pub in Galway is closed until further notice. The Publican stated that he would be continuing his campaign against the ban on smoking "Through lawful means".

Clearly, he has taken sensible legal guidance, and I for one certainly do not believe that he has back pedalled in any way.

Oh, the craic is mighty, and getting better by the day. Roll on 'The Winter' Compromise is the only solution ?..

May the Sun always shine on your parade.

fitz

Back pedalling?

Arse, he was probably gonna close the pub anyway. This way, when it opens again, the place'll get publicity.

RainyDay

Originally posted by Paddy20
RainyDay,

The Publican stated that he would be continuing his campaign against the ban on smoking "Through lawful means".

Yes - I saw him spouting on about his 'constitutional claim'. I dunno which was more funny - the dark black slug crawling across his upper lip or his wolly thinking that led him to believe there is something in the constitution that gives him the right to inflict carcinogous substances on his staff and customers.

Originally posted by Paddy20
Clearly, he has taken sensible legal guidance, and I for one certainly do not believe that he has back pedalled in any way.

So claiming that he is going to defy the ban and then backing down after a little visit from the EHO's isn't back-pedalling? Who are you trying to kid?

This is nothing to do with constitutional rights or personal choice - It's about money for greedy drug pedallers who chose to make their living from pushing addictive substances.