Smoking Ban: Shopped anyone yet?

cerbeus · 21-06-2004 04:41PM #1

Has anyone had the need to report anybody for breaking the new Smoking Ban?

I was in a snooker hall and saw some you lads lighting up. Went to report to the person in charge but he just shrugged his shoulders and said he hadn't seen them so he did nothing!

SheroN · 21-06-2004 04:44PM

not a personal issue, moving to Afterhours.

ChipZilla · 21-06-2004 04:45PM

That's pretty sad. Hanging around snooker halls ratting on smokers? What age are you? 10?

Get a life. :rolleyes:

flogen · 21-06-2004 04:48PM

its pretty sad that your hanging around forums trying to make people feel bad, and doing such a bad job of it too.

If I saw anyone smoking in a pub, i'd say it to a bar man, the law is there for a reason, and after all this time and debate, I'm not going to let someone smoke and piss me off just so I'm not called a 'rat'.

Flogen

cerbeus · 21-06-2004 04:52PM

For years I've put up with other people's smoke but now I don't have to. It's just a coincidence that they were young lads.

The reason for this post was to guage whether other people encountered the same response from owners/managers of places where people had made complaints.

ChipZilla · 21-06-2004 04:55PM

Originally posted by flogen
its pretty sad that your hanging around forums trying to make people feel bad, and doing such a bad job of it too.

If I saw anyone smoking in a pub, i'd say it to a bar man, the law is there for a reason, and after all this time and debate, I'm not going to let someone smoke and piss me off just so I'm not called a 'rat'.

Flogen

Boo hoo. :rolleyes: If you object so much, why not have the courage of your convictions, walk up to the smoker and say "Excuse me. Mind putting your cigarette out?"

You never know, the smoker might just say "Sorry about that. Silly me - I didn't think about the comfort and wellbeing of others. It won't happen again. Sir. Honest."

SheroN · 21-06-2004 04:58PM

You never know, the smoker might just say "Sorry about that. Silly me - I didn't think about the comfort and wellbeing of others. It won't happen again. Sir. Honest."

or chances are if you approach someone in a snooker hall and do that they'll either punch you or wear a que off the side of your head.

Paddy20 · 21-06-2004 05:00PM

The Smoking Ban ?..

The backlash is coming. Business involved in tourism in the North West are complaining that their bookings and everyday business takings have dropped between 10 & 15% since the introduction of this new anti-smoker legislation.

They now plan a legal challenge against this ban, and there are some real heavyweights rolling up their sleeves. Should be interesting, and apparently the challenge is to start in Donegal with Hoteliers at the forefront.

ChipZilla · 21-06-2004 05:02PM

or chances are if you approach someone in a snooker hall and do that they'll either punch you or wear a que off the side of your head.

Yes, that is a possibility. Maybe the manager of the snooker hall thought of that too. Well, if you will be in snooker halls during the day, you you can be guaranteed of bumping into an unsavoury character or two who doesn't give a a sh**e about the rules...

subway_ie · 21-06-2004 05:12PM

Originally posted by cerbeus
Went to report to the person in charge but he just shrugged his shoulders and said he hadn't seen them so he did nothing!

As a barman, if somebody came up to me complaining I'd probably say the same thing. It's more hassle than it's worth to try and stop these people smoking. If they're smoking in the first place it just shows that they don't give a damn about it, not the kind of person you want to approach and give orders to, especially if you don't own the place.

RainyDay · 21-06-2004 05:14PM

Originally posted by Paddy20
The Smoking Ban ?..

The backlash is coming. Business involved in tourism in the North West are complaining that their bookings and everyday business takings have dropped between 10 & 15% since the introduction of this new anti-smoker legislation.

They now plan a legal challenge against this ban, and there are some real heavyweights rolling up their sleeves. Should be interesting, and apparently the challenge is to start in Donegal with Hoteliers at the forefront.

Oooh I'm quaking in me boots now! Nothing like a few overweight Donegal hoteliers to set Michael Martin straight!

I'd bet a fiver that UK/NI will go non-smoking long before any change is consdered here. There is no way that any Govt will roll back on 'clearing the fog' for the 75% non-smokers in the population.

Originally posted by subway_ie
As a barman, if somebody came up to me complaining I'd probably say the same thing. It's more hassle than it's worth to try and stop these people smoking. If they're smoking in the first place it just shows that they don't give a damn about it, not the kind of person you want to approach and give orders to, especially if you don't own the place.

I presume you expect the bar owner to take the same 'laissez faire' attitude to you when he gets hit with an inspection from the Environmental Health Officers and possibly a 3,000 fine?

Only Human · 21-06-2004 05:15PM

Originally posted by subway_ie
As a barman, if somebody came up to me complaining I'd probably say the same thing. It's more hassle than it's worth to try and stop these people smoking. If they're smoking in the first place it just shows that they don't give a damn about it, not the kind of person you want to approach and give orders to, especially if you don't own the place.

You Forgot to close your quote. if i were your manager you'd be fired

ChipZilla · 21-06-2004 05:17PM

subway_ie, you got your quotes wrong there.

I didn't say:

Went to report to the person in charge but he just shrugged his shoulders and said he hadn't seen them so he did nothing!

Don't want people thinking that was *my* whiny behaviour...

flogen · 21-06-2004 05:18PM

Originally posted by ChipZilla
Yes, that is a possibility. Maybe the manager of the snooker hall thought of that too. Well, if you will be in snooker halls during the day, you you can be guaranteed of bumping into an unsavoury character or two who doesn't give a a sh**e about the rules...

And so intimidation is enough to let others break the law?
If it was a situation where I saw someone smoking, I'd sus them out, if they looked ok, i might ask them first, if I thought they'd cause trouble, I'd go to the bar/boss. If the person there said 'so what' or something like that, i'd leave. I'm sure they wouldnt care that much, but I'm not willing to put up with people breaking the law (I'd also report the place to the health and safety workers).

Its stupid to say that you should keep your mouth shut, its your own fault for going into a snooker hall, firstly your assuming that theyre always full of scum, and secondly your saying we should let the scum do what they want.

Flogen

cerbeus · 21-06-2004 05:18PM

it's not about tackling the person yourself, it's about the manager/person in charge enforcing the ban and them dealing with it. This person's attitude was that if he didn't see it then it must not have happened which is what pissed me off.

Paddy20 · 21-06-2004 05:20PM

Rainyday,

If you are going to act as a spokesperson for smokers. Then try and spell The Minister for Healths name correctly ? It's "Micheal" not Michael.

Then somebody might take you seriously. Not me though

Stephen · 21-06-2004 05:24PM

Paddy, criticising someone's spelling is lame. Haven't got a better argument?

subway_ie · 21-06-2004 05:25PM

Originally posted by RainyDay
I presume you expect the bar owner to take the same 'laissez faire' attitude to you when he gets hit with an inspection from the Environmental Health Officers and possibly a 3,000 fine?

So you would confront a person, who's drunk and aggressive, about not being able to smoke inside? I'm not going to risk my safety for a just-over minimum wage job.

ChipZilla · 21-06-2004 05:28PM

Originally posted by flogen
And so intimidation is enough to let others break the law?
If it was a situation where I saw someone smoking, I'd sus them out, if they looked ok, i might ask them first, if I thought they'd cause trouble, I'd go to the bar/boss. If the person there said 'so what' or something like that, i'd leave. I'm sure they wouldnt care that much, but I'm not willing to put up with people breaking the law (I'd also report the place to the health and safety workers).

Its stupid to say that you should keep your mouth shut, its your own fault for going into a snooker hall, firstly your assuming that theyre always full of scum, and secondly your saying we should let the scum do what they want.

Flogen

Hey Flogen, I didn't say I'd bash your head in with a cue or anything if you asked me to put a smoke out. You can't judge a book by the cover, and that dodgy-looking person with the fag in his mouth might be a nice person who will respond nicely to a request to stop smoking. Or not. You don't know until you ask. If somebody wanted me to do something, I'd have far more respect for the person if he/she asked me rather than going to the boss/snooker hall manager/bus driver/priest/etc. and getting them to do their bidding.

And BTW, where did I say snooker halls are "always full of scum" and "your (sic) saying we should let the scum do what they want". I said neither. Get your facts straight.

Paddy20 · 21-06-2004 05:32PM

Stephen,

Of course I have a better arguement. My views on this flawed draconian legislation are well known, and I have no intention of repeating them because you have not read them.

Rainydays spelling is not really what annoyed me. It was her superior attitude that got right up my snotty nose

Jim · 21-06-2004 05:33PM

Tbh Chip, not matter what else you say, your original reply still lingers.

As for people getting shopped Bono got caught smoking in one of his hotels a couple of weeks ago. No word if he is getting prosecuted though. If they don't I think it will just incite smokers to light up again. They need to make even a small example of him if they are serious about the whole thing.

flogen · 21-06-2004 05:40PM

chip, I know you didnt say they were scum, but you did say you should expect dodgy people in a snooker hall, and that they are happy to break the rules.
I know you cant judge a book by its cover, but the bystander cannot be expected to put their health on the line just to see the law upheld. Its the barmanagers problem if people are smoking, so why not bring it to them? if they dont want to deal with it, the health and safety officers will. You may respect someone more for saying it to your face, but many others may not.

Flogen

red_ice · 21-06-2004 05:46PM

In the imortal words of chandler bing

the bottom line is, smokings cool.

If you dont like the ban, and you have a problem, go somewhere where you can expect to be free of it. Pool halls aint pool halls without smoke imo. My game goes totally off if im not smoking when i play pool, its just there to help me focus.

True the law is there, and i do try to abide by it, but id have more respect for someone in a pool hall if they asked me to put it out politly. If they went to the manager or what not, id get annoyed and it would definitly circulate through my mind about hitting them - but i wouldnt :P

Stop being a bitch, a snooker hall is a mans room, if you cant act like one, dont be in one (girls are welcome)

red_ice · 21-06-2004 05:48PM

also, when smoking was legal - did you moan to the manager about the 10 chaps with peaked hats in the corner rolling joints?

dont think so...

Doodah7 · 21-06-2004 05:51PM

The simple way of ensuring that the tobacco laws are enforced is to put 1890 333100 onto your mobile phone and let the Office of Tobacco Control sort out the offenders for you. That way you do your duty and you don't get your head kicked in...

Jim · 21-06-2004 05:54PM

Originally posted by red_ice
Stop being a bitch, a snooker hall is a mans room, if you cant act like one, dont be in one (girls are welcome)

You can't be serious.

flogen · 21-06-2004 06:18PM

Originally posted by red_ice
If you dont like the ban, and you have a problem, go somewhere where you can expect to be free of it.

wel with the new ban in place, I expect pubs and pool halls to be smoke free, i'd be delusional to have thought that before march, but now its the rational idea.

Flogen

21-06-2004 06:19PM

Well I for one think we all need a nice, cool mentholated Laramie cigarette...

I loved that there is no smoking anymore, I don't smell like 'pub' anymore. But the litter and obsessive smoking in houses and outside can be very disgusting. I saw some lads sparking up at an indoor concert a few days ago, but thats the only situation I have seen.

Guy:Incognito · 21-06-2004 06:31PM

Originally posted by Jimeatsmenu

As for people getting shopped Bono got caught smoking in one of his hotels a couple of weeks ago. =

Arent cigarette companies evil, and threatening peoples health, surely Bono being such a freedom fighter be giving his extra money help fight third world debt instead of breaking the law? sorry bout going ot.:D

ChipZilla · 21-06-2004 08:22PM

Originally posted by tallpaul
The simple way of ensuring that the tobacco laws are enforced is to put 1890 333100 onto your mobile phone and let the Office of Tobacco Control sort out the offenders for you. That way you do your duty and you don't get your head kicked in...

Yeah the nanny state is alive and well. It'll just be a matter of time before we have 1890 numbers for "shopping" that neighbour you never liked with the out-of-date tax disc on his car, or those inconsiderates who put brown glass in the green bottle bank, or people who don't stand up for the national anthem.

We get more politically correct by the day...

gonker · 21-06-2004 09:33PM

I have visited my local....which is 5 doors away from me..... more often now since the smoking ban came in than ever before.....it is sooooo much better now.
I havent seen anybody breaking the law but...

Smoking Ban: Shopped anyone yet?

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