Smoking Ban: Shopped anyone yet?

flogen · 21-06-2004 09:52PM

ditto on that gonker, its so much better, generally i think that any drop in sales from smokers will be easily picked up by a rise is sales from non-smokers.

As for nanny state, what a load of crap. You can smoke if you choose to, I chose not to, and would like it to make a difference in my life. Me being forced to breath in other peoples smoke often means I may as well just smoke anyway. This law protects non-smokers and workers, but it doesnt tell you what you can and cant do, it just tells youre not allowed to harm other people while you do it.

Flogen

seamus · 21-06-2004 10:03PM

Originally posted by subway_ie
As a barman, if somebody came up to me complaining I'd probably say the same thing. It's more hassle than it's worth to try and stop these people smoking. If they're smoking in the first place it just shows that they don't give a damn about it, not the kind of person you want to approach and give orders to, especially if you don't own the place.

To drag up an old chestnut, surely if the same guy came in, sat down, and started opening up some cans of dutchie he got from the local off licence, you'd do something. What's the difference?

RainyDay · 21-06-2004 11:09PM

Originally posted by Paddy20
Rainyday,

If you are going to act as a spokesperson for smokers. Then try and spell The Minister for Healths name correctly ? It's "Micheal" not Michael.

Then somebody might take you seriously. Not me though

Hi Paddy, If you are going to correct my spelling, then you really should get your own content, grammar & punctuation right first;

- I wasn't acting as a spokesperson for smokers, as should have been fairly obvious from my sentiments.
- No full stop/capital latter after 'If you are .... for smokers' as this is not a sentence.
- "the Minister for Health's name", not "The Minister for Healths name"
- No space for the question mark - In fact, no question mark, as it is not a question.

But if you prefer, we can both stop playing silly buggers and keep to the topic in hand - fresh air.

Originally posted by subway_ie
So you would confront a person, who's drunk and aggressive, about not being able to smoke inside? I'm not going to risk my safety for a just-over minimum wage job.

Not my problem, Subway. How you decide who does what in your bar is between you and your manager/owner. Like other posters, I'm amazed that barmen never had any difficulty stopping people smoking joints or drinking booze purchased elsewhere, but claim to have a big problem stopping smoking. It's a feeble excuse. I know that if any staff member didn't act to prevent a customer smoking, I'd be onto the hotline promptly, and I'd make a point of calling the manager or owner also to let them know why they are going to be hit with a 3k fine.

Paddy20 · 22-06-2004 11:50AM

RainyDay,

You really are a scream. You cheer me up something rotten, for some strange reason.

My grammar & punctuation really is bad,

and that is how it will remain for the rest of my natural life, as I do not give a damn about it.

Have a nice 'smoke free' day, you have earned it.

May it always rain on your parade

RainyDay · 06-07-2004 12:14PM

Originally posted by Paddy20
The backlash is coming. Business involved in tourism in the North West are complaining that their bookings and everyday business takings have dropped between 10 & 15% since the introduction of this new anti-smoker legislation.

They now plan a legal challenge against this ban, and there are some real heavyweights rolling up their sleeves. Should be interesting, and apparently the challenge is to start in Donegal with Hoteliers at the forefront.

Interesting letter in today's Irish Times from the manager of Harry's bar in Donegal stating that business is NOT down and the bank is working well, with visitors coming in from over the border to enjoy the smoke-free atmosphere!

But with all the talk of a ban for the UK/NI, I guess it wont be too long before we have smoke-free pubs on both sides of the border.

ChipZilla · 06-07-2004 12:33PM

Originally posted by RainyDay
But with all the talk of a ban for the UK/NI, I guess it wont be too long before we have smoke-free pubs on both sides of the border.

I bet you're wetting your knickers at the thought of that. :rolleyes: Sadly for you, talk is all it is. The Labour government isn't going to do a thing about workplace smoking as they are on shaky enough ground with the voters as it is. And no other political party in the UK has anything smoking-related in their manifesto.

BigEejit · 06-07-2004 12:43PM

I was recently over in the UK and the smoke in the 2 bars I was in was fucking awful (not very thick smoke, just ordinary amounts) ... I am delighted to be back in Ireland's smoke free pubs .... and I do go out more often now, knowing that I wont have my eyes watering and end up smelling like a ashtray at the end of the night. The last place I was in before the ban came in was the Cube bar in Cork, you could barely make out the far wall the smoke was so bad, its a far more pleasant experience now....

The timing of the smoking ban was good, just coming into summer when it is not so onerous for the smokers .... but just wait until the cold wet weather and then you'll see the muppets trying to have crafty fags in the corners and thinking no-one will smell them :rolleyes:

BigEejit · 06-07-2004 12:45PM

Originally posted by ChipZilla
:rolleyes:

leave out the personal comments/slights muppet

ChipZilla · 06-07-2004 12:58PM

Originally posted by BigEejit
leave out the personal comments/slights muppet

Hey BigEejit, where's the "the personal comments/slights" muppet?

Somebody die and make you a mod? If you have a problem with something I post bring it to the attention of a mod by clicking on the "Report" link in the bottom right hand corner of the post.

Have a nice day.

the fnj · 06-07-2004 01:09PM

Can we keep this civil please,

make your points without lowering yourselves to personal insults.

RainyDay · 06-07-2004 01:32PM

Originally posted by ChipZilla
The Labour government isn't going to do a thing about workplace smoking as they are on shaky enough ground with the voters as it is. And no other political party in the UK has anything smoking-related in their manifesto.

Anyone else get that deja moo feeling (i.e. I've heard this bull before)? This sounds remarkably like all the oul guff we heard pre-March 2004 with all the reasons why the ban would never happen in Ireland. It was bull then and its bull now.

Kastro · 06-07-2004 05:16PM

i was all sick for 2 weeks from 2 much drink an drugs.. went to the doc.. his single most disturbing words were.. "christ your ****'ed up"

anywho my body gave up. i got all sorts of ear infections and mouth infections an crap.. and im only gettin over it properly. damn immune system. never trust Norton immune system.. its crap.

anyways i havent smoked since.. i think.

IgnatiusJRiley · 06-07-2004 05:22PM

So can we take it from the numerous off-topic replies that no-one has shopped anyone then?

Paddy20 · 08-07-2004 12:29PM

Well, looks as though no one needs to "shop" anyone. As the Publicans are starting the backlash, and defying this stupid childish legislation by allowing smoking.

Very interesting. Hope RainyDay has been listening to the news

fitz · 08-07-2004 01:23PM

Might I suggest an IP check on ChipZilla and batbat.

"Have a nice day" being bandied about a bit...me smells duplicate accounts.

RainyDay · 08-07-2004 11:30PM

Originally posted by Paddy20
Well, looks as though no one needs to "shop" anyone. As the Publicans are starting the backlash, and defying this stupid childish legislation by allowing smoking.

Very interesting. Hope RainyDay has been listening to the news

Yep - I've been watching that Lawless dope in Galway back-pedalling faster than Lance Armstrong on rewind. He really didn't get very far, did he? And the tough guy in Cobh who was going to roll-back the clock wasn't so brave when the EHO's called.

sceptre · 09-07-2004 01:15AM

Apparently all time off for EHOs in Galway has been cancelled for the next few weeks. May be the whole of the western HB area but certainly the city. Probably not a good time to quietly defy the ban.

Paddy20 · 09-07-2004 11:38AM

RainyDay,

The Pub in Galway is closed until further notice. The Publican stated that he would be continuing his campaign against the ban on smoking "Through lawful means".

Clearly, he has taken sensible legal guidance, and I for one certainly do not believe that he has back pedalled in any way.

Oh, the craic is mighty, and getting better by the day.

Roll on 'The Winter' Compromise is the only solution ?..

May the Sun always shine on your parade.

fitz · 09-07-2004 11:44AM

Back pedalling?

Arse, he was probably gonna close the pub anyway. This way, when it opens again, the place'll get publicity.

RainyDay · 09-07-2004 06:48PM

Originally posted by Paddy20
RainyDay,

The Publican stated that he would be continuing his campaign against the ban on smoking "Through lawful means".

Yes - I saw him spouting on about his 'constitutional claim'. I dunno which was more funny - the dark black slug crawling across his upper lip or his wolly thinking that led him to believe there is something in the constitution that gives him the right to inflict carcinogous substances on his staff and customers.

Originally posted by Paddy20
Clearly, he has taken sensible legal guidance, and I for one certainly do not believe that he has back pedalled in any way.

So claiming that he is going to defy the ban and then backing down after a little visit from the EHO's isn't back-pedalling? Who are you trying to kid?

This is nothing to do with constitutional rights or personal choice - It's about money for greedy drug pedallers who chose to make their living from pushing addictive substances.

de5p0i1er · 10-07-2004 09:29AM

Originally posted by Paddy20
The Smoking Ban ?..

The backlash is coming. Business involved in tourism in the North West are complaining that their bookings and everyday business takings have dropped between 10 & 15% since the introduction of this new anti-smoker legislation.

They now plan a legal challenge against this ban, and there are some real heavyweights rolling up their sleeves. Should be interesting, and apparently the challenge is to start in Donegal with Hoteliers at the forefront.

Alot of ppl are canceling there wedding recptions and moveing them up north and letting there guests smoke

DMT · 10-07-2004 12:51PM

Originally posted by Paddy20
If you are going to act as a spokesperson for smokers. Then try and spell The Minister for Healths name correctly ? It's "Micheal" not Michael.

WRONG.
It's "Micheál" not "Micheal" - there's not such name as "Micheal" except amoung people who can't spell properly - if you're going to nit-pick someone's spelling, at least get it right...

Also:

DMT · 10-07-2004 12:53PM

Originally posted by de5p0i1er
Alot of ppl are canceling there wedding recptions and moveing them up north and letting there guests smoke

Won't be much point to that once they get the ban up there too before long and where did you obtain this statistic...?

BuffyBot · 10-07-2004 01:08PM

Won't be much point to that once they get the ban up there too before long and where did you obtain this statistic...?

Before too long? I wouldn't hold your breath on the UK bringing that in just yet..

Paddy20 · 10-07-2004 04:05PM

DMT,

Nice to see you are in such a good mood today. Just a pity you are so far behind with your 'points'. Have you had your head stuck up where the sun never shines, Eh ? Seems that way to me

Smoking Ban: Shopped anyone yet?

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