RH Negative Blood Theory

MeatProduct

I was introduced to this theory from a mailing list I am a member of. It is facinating reading. It suggests that those with RH negative blood have different ancestors to those with RH positive blood. That the former has more psychic abilty is also shown. A must read for the paranormal board.

It can be accessed from here.

Nick

For the record I'm RH negative and so is my whole family:)

MeatProduct

It would be interesting to see what proportion of readers of this forum are RH negative. I'll get the ball rolling, as I said I am:

RH Negative

Nick

bug

Interesting about the Basque People I didnt know such a high percentage of them were rhesus negative, I had always thought rhesus negative people had slightly different physical characteristics and seem to be suseptible to certain infections, (my aunts are rhesus negative) My knowledge of genetics is limited but it would be interesting to know the origin of rhesus negative scientifically. I had never associated it with psychic abilities tbh, but considering my aunts...perhaps this theory has some merit
I would have to understand more about genetics and the Rh- factor before commenting on the possibility of it coming about from alien sources though.

MeatProduct

Originally posted by bug
Interesting about the Basque People I didnt know such a high percentage of them were rhesus negative, I had always thought rhesus negative people had slightly different physical characteristics and seem to be suseptible to certain infections, (my aunts are rhesus negative) My knowledge of genetics is limited but it would be interesting to know the origin of rhesus negative scientifically. I had never associated it with psychic abilities tbh, but considering my aunts...perhaps this theory has some merit
I would have to understand more about genetics and the Rh- factor before commenting on the possibility of it coming about from alien sources though.

Yes, an interesting bunch of people I'm hoping to travel to Bilbao this year to learn more of their culture. My cousin is there now teaching Irish. He has commented how their lanuage has very different origins to any of the close European countries.

It is fascinating though. It's a wonder it's not discussed more often as the RH- and RH+ are quite different. Like the example that if a woman has previously given birth to a RH+ child and then given birth to a RH- child she must take antiD (not sure of the proper name) to prevent the baby being rejected and killed by the mothers own body. The RH- baby is seen as an alien body so the host body (the mother) tries to kill it.

Does anyone know more about this?

Nick

GuanYin

Noone knows for sure why people are born with certain anti-bodies against antigens that they have never encountered (ie. blood group antigens).

The most common theory is that it is an evolutionary defence system. Some bacterial surface proteins that colonise our bodies after birth have similar anti-body targets to those A and B Types (there are actually over 600 of these but because typing focuses on ABO so shall we). Our bodies probably pre-prepare a defence system against these bacteria that may try and mimic natural cells to overcome our immune system, while obviously leaving out the ones we have ourselves (thus ABO blood group system).

RH systems are independant and seemingly pointless. They probably came about as a result of of a natural mutation aiming to achieve the same type of effect as the ABO system. Generally when a mutation is beneficial or has no effect on a species they are not phased out because natural selection allows them to eneter the status quo. Rh blood groups only occur in a small percentage of the population, but probably gained a foothold due to the side effects of Rh- negaive mothers and Rh+ embryos. All the same there is no particular fatal ill effect associated with it. Hence the mutation (which led to Rh negativity) is harmless and was not eliminated.

smiles

That makes interesting reading.

Any figures from non-paranormal sites to verify if RH Negative people actually do have a higher average IQ ?

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MeatProduct

Here's another link about this subject. There is just the mention of IQ in it but it's certainly no statistic

Nick

Thanx 4 The Fish

Am Rh Negative and I don't fell that I have any paranormal or extra normal abilities and I do try quite a bit. Those refs certainly do make a good read though.

ThrAx

Originally posted by MeatProduct
It is fascinating though. It's a wonder it's not discussed more often as the RH- and RH+ are quite different. Like the example that if a woman has previously given birth to a RH+ child and then given birth to a RH- child she must take antiD (not sure of the proper name) to prevent the baby being rejected and killed by the mothers own body. The RH- baby is seen as an alien body so the host body (the mother) tries to kill it.

Does anyone know more about this?

Nick

I remember learning about this in biology. Its quite strange. I would have thought that after our millions and millions of years of evolution genetic birth problems such as the aforementioned would have dissapeared. It would be very interesting to know where RH- genes originate from in our evolution.

GuanYin

Originally posted by ThrAx
I remember learning about this in biology. Its quite strange. I would have thought that after our millions and millions of years of evolution genetic birth problems such as the aforementioned would have dissapeared. It would be very interesting to know where RH- genes originate from in our evolution.

I answered all of this above.

MeatProduct

Nobody knows for a fact why we have RH-. Sure there are Darwinist theories as well as others but I don't accept the main stream theories. Saying that, I can't really offer up one of my own that I can support with evidence.

Nick

Tazzle

Em, I'm O negative and I certainly don't feel all that unique to be honest.

MeatProduct

Originally posted by Poozle
Em, I'm O negative and I certainly don't feel all that unique to be honest.

I'm O- also but I have had many "experiences". What's your view on the paranormal? Perhaps that is a factor.

Being RH+ doesn't mean you can't be psychic and conversly being RH- doesn't necissarily you mean you are more psychic than the average RH+.

Nick

Tazzle

I'm quite open, though it would take empirical rather than theoretical evidence to persuade me..

ThrAx

Originally posted by syke
I answered all of this above.

So you did. Half bottle of vodka and some smoke. Wasn't paying enough attention.

pork99

Scientists think that the reason the Irish, Welsh, Highland Scots and Basques are geneticaly similiar is that we are the remaining descendents of the first Homo Sapiens to move into Europe from Africa 30,000 - 40,000 years ago. Most Europeans are descended from later waves of migration, people who brought metal working and agriculture.

Possibly the reason for RH- dominance in older European populations is taht they're descended from populations which were here in the last ice age about 20,000 years ago which caused a population "bottleneck".

Nothing to do with alien colonies I'm afraid. See "Mapping Human History" by Steve Olsen and "Genes, Peoples and Languages" by Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza. The latter goes into some detail about RH- and RH+ distributions.

Shabadu

I'm also O-, and remember vaguely after giving birth had to have some sort of injection in my thigh and have vague idea it was to do with Rhesus polarity but wasn't really listening, with the having just pushed a baby out etc. On reflection, would really like to know what it was for.

hostyle

Originally posted by MeatProduct
Like the example that if a woman has previously given birth to a RH+ child and then given birth to a RH- child she must take antiD (not sure of the proper name) to prevent the baby being rejected and killed by the mothers own body. The RH- baby is seen as an alien body so the host body (the mother) tries to kill it.

I'm not doubting most of what you have said, but that sounds a bit erm... wrong.

If the foetus is a radically different blood type, then it will be killed very early on in development in the womb by the mothers immune system. I've never heard of blood tests being taken on foetuses, though I am not a doctor

Unless you mean that the mothers milk could contain such antigens that might have bad effects on the RH- baby? This is of course a possibility.

Of course I could be completely wrong, but the science behind your explanation doesnt make sense in my mind (and yes i know its not "your" explanation per se, but that of whoever write the article you read).

MeatProduct

I think the injection is to prevent the next child, that the mother may have, for being rejected by the mothers body in the early stages of development.

Nick

funky penguin

Theres alot of O- negative people posting here. Its odd since one the more rare blood types. Im O- too. And incidently, my IQ is 136.

joe.

where did you find out what your iq was please?

funky penguin

I got that done in school a few years back. In fact its probably gone down a good bit.:p

Just enter "free IQ test" into google and see what you get.

eth0_

I'm rhesus neg but I don't think I am any more psychic than the average Joe. Sometimes I think about someone and then the phone rings and it's them, but that's as weird as it gets.

luckat

I'm a negger and I know what you're thinking.

funky penguin

Originally posted by eth0_
I'm rhesus neg but I don't think I am any more psychic than the average Joe. Sometimes I think about someone and then the phone rings and it's them, but that's as weird as it gets.

Man, that happens to me aswell.

Sometimes ill be watchin tv or sumtin and for no reason i'll look over at my phone and i get a message. :eek:

ritlin_lad_05

im A negative..i dunno bout being psychic though lol..that sounds a bit wierd..all i know is that it has something to do with an unknown origin..my father is rh positive mother negative.. my bro was rh positive and he was born premature with really damaged skin..us negs are suppost to have alien links or something coz they say that that blood group came from aliens years ago...research has shown people who claimed they were abducted by aliens were all rh negs..hmmm..it mite be a load of b*llu*x. but its a rare blood group so you should be proud of it coz its in demand..i gave blood once and never gave it again but they sent me a letter askin to give coz a- blood is in shortage in ireland..cool to know where it came from though..we know where rhesus positive came from in theory but not rh neg..its unknown

stevenmu

Read a theory recently that Rh+ people were descended from Rhesus monkeys, and that Rh- people were descended from *ahem* martians who came here when their planet was dying. Not too sure if I believe that one or not. I'll try and find a link that explains in more detail, in the meantime I've something more important to do.

*runs off to find out blood type*

Oryx

Im o neg too.

The rhesus factor thing is cos if any baby a rh neg woman has happens to have + blood, and it mixes with mammys blood when being born, will cause the mam to create antibodies to the + blood, and then any subsequent child she has can be harmed by the existence of the antibodies. The injection stops the creation of antibodies and is given to mum immediately after birth as a precaution. Been there, done that...

Clinical Waste

I'm A+.
(and I like bananas)

(as if you couldnt tell from the sig)

solas

my father was rh negative to ."O" I think. My mother was always going on about how he had rare blood type but I didn;t get why it was such a big deal until read kates answer. Now I know why she was complaining lol.
Havent a clue what I am.

funky penguin

Shabadu wrote:

I'm also O-, and remember vaguely after giving birth had to have some sort of injection in my thigh and have vague idea it was to do with Rhesus polarity but wasn't really listening, with the having just pushed a baby out etc. On reflection, would really like to know what it was for.

Ha! Your O-, Shabidabidoo!

By the way.... BRAAAAAAIIINSS!

solas

I think that injection is to induce the afterbirth.

Oryx

solas wrote:

I think that injection is to induce the afterbirth.

Nope, thats yet another one But after having a kid you really dont care if they make you into a pincushion. Better be careful now or Ill get this moved to parenting

solas

hah.
I can still see the poor nurse flying across the room.

Shabadu

funky penguin wrote:

Ha! Your O-, Shabidabidoo!

By the way.... BRAAAAAAIIINSS!

We have so much in common. We should get marriaged. OH NOES I forgot you're shorter than me =(

Katiek, thanks for clearing that up for me. iirc my son is AB+.

Oryx

solas wrote:

hah.
I can still see the poor nurse flying across the room.

Nah, Im not as rough as that, I just broke her fingers. Whod be a maternity nurse.

79cortinaz

funky penguin wrote:

Just enter "free IQ test" into google and see what you get.

'fraid that would be a waste of time. according to online IQ tests most people are genuises

SkepticOne

stevenmu wrote:

Read a theory recently that Rh+ people were descended from Rhesus monkeys, and that Rh- people were descended from *ahem* martians who came here when their planet was dying. Not too sure if I believe that one or not. I'll try and find a link that explains in more detail, in the meantime I've something more important to do.

That theory is a little lacking in imagination. The 'rhesus' in rhesus factor, of course, comes from research done on the Rhesus monkey in the 1940s. T'is a bit suspicious then if someone later claims that we're descended from the cheeky little monkeys. Better to have us descend from something else really.

funky penguin

79cortinaz wrote:

'fraid that would be a waste of time. according to online IQ tests most people are genuises

Take away my joy why don't you!

Here, have my shoes aswell.

Oryx

funky penguin wrote:

Take away my joy why don't you!

Here, have my shoes aswell.

Or it could be that computer users (such as us) are of above average intelligence.

funky penguin

KatieK wrote:

Or it could be that computer users (such as us) are of above average intelligence.

com...pu....ter..s...?

elephamt king

the rh+/- thing is very interesting but the essay appeared to be a bit, well, cultish by suggesting some reading material which mostly related to people being descendants of extra terrestrials , which is the staple belief of most modern cults.
also,
i speed read and i think i missed this but from the thread buti take it that the rh type is paternelly carried if problems occur with conflicting types between mother and infants,could someone verify this?

elephamt king

KatieK wrote:

Or it could be that computer users (such as us) are of above average intelligence.

if you consider the popularity of sites such as 'rotten.com' you will see that this is not so,

KnowItAll

There is another interesting theory that rh- blood type is neanderthal. Also red hair etc is neanderthal.

Before people get upset at this statement firstly ignore the way the media shows neanderthals. They were in europe for over 250,000 years before humans came. They could have walked down a street and not be noticed. Humans and Neanderthals lived side by side for thousands of years so interbreeding would have occured.

Also (here's where the superior IQ may be from) Neanderthals brains were 13% bigger than humans!

I might be wrong but I thought I'd raise the point. I dunno what my blood type is btw.

funky penguin

Yeah, I remember watching a documentary on the possiblity of neanderthal and homo sapien interbreeding. Quite interesting stuff.

Zillah

KnowItAll wrote:

There is another interesting theory that rh- blood type is neanderthal. Also red hair etc is neanderthal.

Before people get upset at this statement firstly ignore the way the media shows neanderthals. They were in europe for over 250,000 years before humans came. They could have walked down a street and not be noticed. Humans and Neanderthals lived side by side for thousands of years so interbreeding would have occured.

Also (here's where the superior IQ may be from) Neanderthals brains were 13% bigger than humans!

I might be wrong but I thought I'd raise the point. I dunno what my blood type is btw.

One: A neanderthal walking down the road would be very much noticed. People would stare, their facial features were extremely diffferent to ours. Their body would be much heavier and stockier, their foreheads extremely sloped... People would probably assume inbreeding or deformity.

Two: Neanderthals may have had slightly bigger brains on average(I'll trust you on that) but many studies have shown that brain size is not very relevant to intelligence.

There is a condition in humans where the brain is hollow, the material is actually a layer an inch or two thick that is plastered to the inside of the skull, and some (if not all, im not sure) suffer absolutely no mental impairement despite having a fraction of the brain mass of an normal human. Also, archaeological evidence has shown that homo sapiens sapiens is more intelligent than neaderthals despite the apparent brain size difference. Tool useage and placement of settlements(defensive on a hill etc) are examples.

Three: Homo sapiens sapiens and neanderthals didn't live "side by side". They lived in rival neighbouring tribes that constantly struggled with each other for resources, a case of inter breeding is extremely unlikely, modern humans were pretty much invaders. Finally, any half breeds that may have been created would most likely have died off. Neanderthals died because they were inferior to modern humans, half breeds would have inherited that legacy of dooooom.

Who says RH blood is neanderthal and why?

KnowItAll

Zillah wrote:

One: A neanderthal walking down the road would be very much noticed. People would stare, their facial features were extremely diffferent to ours. Their body would be much heavier and stockier, their foreheads extremely sloped... People would probably assume inbreeding or deformity.

I saw an experiment done by scientists on TV and they proved that a neanderthal could have walked down a street by making someone up as a neanderthal in modern clothing! Nobody noticed.

Two: Neanderthals may have had slightly bigger brains on average(I'll trust you on that) but many studies have shown that brain size is not very relevant to intelligence.

There is a condition in humans where the brain is hollow, the material is actually a layer an inch or two thick that is plastered to the inside of the skull, and some (if not all, im not sure) suffer absolutely no mental impairement despite having a fraction of the brain mass of an normal human. Also, archaeological evidence has shown that homo sapiens sapiens is more intelligent than neaderthals despite the apparent brain size difference. Tool useage and placement of settlements(defensive on a hill etc) are examples.

What your saying is true but why did they have such big brains? They lived in Europe through ice ages and survived thousands of years. They were phyiscally very hardy but to survive they would need to be smart hunters etc. They developed the first musical instruments. A flute was found which was almost exactly like modern flutes.

Three: Homo sapiens sapiens and neanderthals didn't live "side by side". They lived in rival neighbouring tribes that constantly struggled with each other for resources, a case of inter breeding is extremely unlikely, modern humans were pretty much invaders. Finally, any half breeds that may have been created would most likely have died off. Neanderthals died because they were inferior to modern humans, half breeds would have inherited that legacy of dooooom.

Who says RH blood is neanderthal and why?

They lived near each other for thousands of years. You know yourself what some people are like!

The people who are descended from the original europeans are the most likely to have RH neg, like us and the Basques. The Neanderthals were here when the original europeans arrived so thats where the theory came from.

Dizzyblabla

O-ve and an IQ of 153!! must be the aliens!!

Zillah

KnowItAll wrote:

I saw an experiment done by scientists on TV and they proved that a neanderthal could have walked down a street by making someone up as a neanderthal in modern clothing! Nobody noticed.

Ok first of all you can't use make up to make someone look like a neanderthal, they have much heavier bone structure and pronounced differences in skull shape. Who were these television scientists? Was it a documentary or a pseudo-documentary like "braniac"?

What your saying is true but why did they have such big brains?

I don't know, and I don't see why it's relevant. Maybe their neuron structure was less efficient than ours and therefore needed some sort of bio chemcial capacitors to store electrical charge... Big brain means nothing.

They lived in Europe through ice ages and survived thousands of years. They were phyiscally very hardy but to survive they would need to be smart hunters etc.

Chimpanzees can hunt fine...

They developed the first musical instruments. A flute was found which was almost exactly like modern flutes.

The creation of a blowing instrument is not proof, or even evidence, that neanderthals had an intellect equal or approaching that of modern humans. Unless of course you take the flute to be the examplar of our intellectual capabilities.

The people who are descended from the original europeans are the most likely to have RH neg, like us and the Basques. The Neanderthals were here when the original europeans arrived so thats where the theory came from.

The original europeans?

Zillah

On another note entirely, did anyone else notice that the original article was written in 1974?

funky penguin

Zillah wrote:

Chimpanzees can hunt fine...

They also masturbate in public.