3Dmark2003 - Are you as bad as me?

Dr Bolouswki

Hi Folks

I'm trying to figure out what my 3Dmark2003 score should be

My Old PC was

AMD 1800 (266mhz)
512mb DDR333 (2x256 dual channel)
ASUS A7N8X
XP Pro
Gainward 128mb Geforce 3 Ti200
integrated sound

the above gave me a score of 1066

My new PC is (complete with see through case!!)

AMD 3000 (333mhz)
1024mb DDR333 (2x512 dual channel)
ASUS 87N8X deluxe V2.0
XP Pro
Creative FX5600 256mb
Audigy 2 ZS

I'm only getting a score of 1940??? Should I be getting way higher? Should I be tweaking my BIOS settings or doing more with the Video settings? I was expecting with all the upgrades to absolutely butcher my old score....

Any ideas?

bizmark

The Fx5600 is sooooooooo bad its holding your score (and pc) back a lot id say

VeVeX

Its the 5600 for sure they are crap.

You should buy a decent card. A 9600xt would be a start at around €200.

You'd notcie a big improvment in your 3DMark

Dr Bolouswki

Drag... and I thought the 256mb would make it the shiznah..... drag....

Creamy Goodness

9600xt is only 148 is komplett special

Woden

killah i have a not dissimilar system for you but with a radeon 9800 pro which give me 5600 that i'll give you some idea of the effect of the graphics card, whats your 3dmark01 benchmark? about 10-12k?

elexes

dono ive never used 2003 as im told its still a bit buggy . but my other scores are 14k i think
amd xp 2500 with a ati 9700

ill see if i can find the link

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7032792

just over 15k in the 2001

freekhead

Originally posted by Cr3m0
9600xt is only 148 is komplett special

And what a sweet board.. got one last week for my amd, was running a ati9000 pci getting 3000 on 3dmark2001.. now hitting 16000

if you cant afford a 9800pro the 9600xt is great for the money
im not to sure but the full retail one is about 170 and you get half life when ever the hell they finish making it

there is no point going to all the trouble of building a fast machine and bottle necking (is that a word?) it with the graphics card..so treat your self log on to komplett with your mam/sisters credit card and buy an xt either hercules or sapphire cant go wrong

netman

got about 5000 (can't remember the exact figure) in 3dmark03 on a 3ghz pentium4 system.. the only big difference is the graphics card, i got a radeon 9700 pro.

replace that 5600 ultra with something more decent and you'll be flying

davkav

ive just bought a 2500+athlon 512 pc 3200 ram and the asus fx5200 128mb and my highest score was 9261 with 3dmark2001.

bizmark

errrrr is that a ultra or what my 5900 only gets 13,000 and my old 5200 only got 4000 so me things some ones fibing

and i have the same specs as you other than the pc3200 ram and i have a 2600xp

Col_Loki

Definetly the Fx series isint the best at all.......

Fx5200 is dismal TBH , Fx5600 isint up to much, Fx5800 middling, Fx5900 is good and quite an overclocker.

ATI are pretty much the way to go at the min guys, especially with DX9 games.

If you really want to raise your 3dmark scores then pop onto komplett and oder a 9800pro for €266 !! Failing that a 9600pro/xt is a great choice ...... still not a patch on a 9800 all the same.

[edit] A Fx5900 should be hovering around the 14-15k mark id imagine, did you try updating drivers ??

davkav

bog standard asus v9520 fx 5200 128 ddr at 9261 probably go higher when i over clock it fully

bizmark

edit] A Fx5900 should be hovering around the 14-15k mark id imagine, did you try updating drivers ??

well its a Lx version so 13.000 is about right id say considering flashing it to a 5950 see if that will help it out

bog standard asus v9520 fx 5200 128 ddr at 9261 probably go higher when i over clock it fully

im telling ya if thats true you got some 5200 their :eek: .....id be careful over clocking those 5200 they have no real cooling

Col_Loki

im telling ya if thats true you got some 5200 their .....id be careful over clocking those 5200 they have no real cooling

9.2k in 3dmark2001 , thats not that fantatic is it??

well its a Lx version so 13.000 is about right id say considering flashing it to a 5950 see if that will help it out

Why not just overclock it? You will get very simular performance results without risk. See how high she goes first, ie will it actually clock to 5950u speeds before flashing ...... make sure its atleast getting close. The flash is suppose to loosen memor timings and increase core voltage a little which is a help im sure.

bizmark

9.2k in 3dmark2001 , thats not that fantatic is it??

Well most 5200 bog stander gets around 4000-5000 getting 9,2 is pritty fecking great

5200 is a cheap buttom of the range card hes getting mid range scores with it thats not bad at all...Love to know how he managed it

Why not just overclock it? You will get very simular performance results without risk. See how high she goes first, ie will it actually clock to 5950u speeds before flashing ...... make sure its atleast getting close. The flash is suppose to loosen memor timings and increase core voltage a little which is a help im sure.

Ya i will when i find a decent overclocking prog .Coolbits keeps resetting my memory speed for some reasion and Letecs overclcoking tool resets the Gpu speeds if i use that ....so im a bit fecked at the mo .....Its either overclock just the gpu or just the memory untill i find a better overclocking tool

Col_Loki

Well most 5200 bog stander gets around 4000-5000 getting 9,2 is pritty fecking great

Doh, i read that as 5600 ........... ahh hangovers!! That is very decent for a 5200 !! (thought u were thinkin it was 3dmr'03..... brain not with it at all today)

That sucks real bad about he overclocking tools, if i come accross a decent one ill post the link and hopefully itl help.

The Brigadier

Memory on these cards is a joke, any card less than a GeForce5900/Radeon9800 won't have enough muscle to pump 256MB textures around.

A 256MB 5600 is a marketing gimmic - no more useful than a 128MB version

tuxy

the amount of people that take 3d mark seriously is funny , load up your favourite game do the show fps command if its high enough you dont have a problem

bizmark

That sucks real bad about he overclocking tools, if i come accross a decent one ill post the link and hopefully itl help.

indeed it does suck :dunno: if you do come across a prog Pm me if can

netman

Try powerstrip, it's fantastic!

http://www.entechtaiwan.net/ps.htm

davkav

ive only overclocked the card using the overclocking prg from asus themselves smart doc or sumtin cant remember in college at mo any prgs anyone can recommend for overclocking a bit more????

davkav

another thing is i have my cpu overclocked to 2200Mhz its a 2500+ but on the post screen and in the likes of aida32 it shows up as a 3200+ even though it says 2500+ printed on the cpu is that the norm??

bizmark

at that clock speed your motherboard might thing the cpu is a 3200xp and not a 2500

OfflerCrocGod

David I thought I told you that there should be a newer BIOS out there for your board that corrects the problem of the MB calling a 2500+ a 3200+?, just flash it to the latest BIOS.

Powerstip my ass:), David look for 'Coolbits' on google its a reg hack that adds an overclocking tab to the Nvidia drivers, that should sort ya'. Coolbits .

OfflerCrocGod

Originally posted by bizmark
Well most 5200 bog stander gets around 4000-5000 getting 9,2 is pritty fecking great

My 2+ year old GeForceMX4 - 440 gets 6100.

Giblet

I get 13000 on 01 and 4500 on 03 with a 2500+ and a 9600 pro.

RAM DOESN'T MATTER.

Clock Speeds / Drivers / Dx9 is what matters now.

Ati Radeon is the way to go at the moment for mid range cards.

bizmark

err dont use that powerstrip thing it messes up your cards clock settings my benchmark went down to 11.100 after useing it and i had to use coolbits to fix its mess up

dazberry

I must get the record - 219 in 3dMark03 - thou' I can only run one of the four Game Tests.

XP2400, 512mb DDR, 40gb 7200 HD, 3D Prophet II GTS (Geforce MX2).

Then again all the games I currently play are fine, so I haven't had the urge to upgrade... yet.

D.

bizmark

Try powerstrip, it's fantastic!

man that prog is awful its after messing up my card! spent 30 mins fixing the damage it did

Ryaner

Originally posted by OfflerCrocGod
David I thought I told you that there should be a newer BIOS out there for your board that corrects the problem of the MB calling a 2500+ a 3200+?, just flash it to the latest BIOS.

Depending on how you oc the cpu depends on how the bios picks it up. When you start OCin it, it is no longer a 2500+

freekhead

getting 21,000 on 01 and 7200 on 03 and aint finnished oc'ing yet

Woden

nice overclock and cooling freekhead and 3dmark scores i have to say, have you overclocked your gfx card?

freekhead

yeah the artic cooler's great, before getting it the gpu was at 411 and ram up to 362 with no artafacts now she is at 445 and with ram sinks the ram is at 380 the gpu can go up more but its just been a few days so im letting it settle in
if your looking for a gd site visit
http://www.jes-computer.de
its german but cheaper than komplett and you dont have to ship with gls they have a german post option.artic cooler is only €13..plenty of modding stuff to

does anyone know what this case is like my little bro wants one but i cant get any more info on it
http://www.xcase.co.uk/acatalog/Casedge_Products.html

bizmark

can i have your pc please? ill give ya 100 euro

Woden

cheers freekhead, i was thinking of your thermalright heat pipe hs originally though nice piece of kit

freekhead

€100 its a deal my mam will be so proud..:)
well i used to go out a lot till i started buying them danm neon lights and stuff then modding got a hold of me..the thermalright is class cpu on load was 48-49 but its a a wee 32 now....at the moment just surfing its at 22..i see you have a thermalright also for your amd..is it any good??? tinking of getting it for the 2500 for my bro's yes i have to fund his modding indevers aswell....what u tink of the case

bizmark

good stuff ill pick it up tomorrow

Woden

not familiar with the case i have to say but i'll look into, the thermalright was recommended by col_loki, typically it keeps my cpu around 40c at load, however i keep the room cool, it doesn't go above 50c unless the room is roasting, thermalright make good coolers and i have a 92mm fan on her

Ryaner

That cpu cooler looks the business. Some better results than water cooling with some of the fans. Makes me wonder should I actually buy the water cooling kit

OfflerCrocGod

Originally posted by Ryaner
Depending on how you oc the cpu depends on how the bios picks it up. When you start OCin it, it is no longer a 2500+

Na it's a bug look at ABITs site here version 18

Fixed the problem that Barton 2500+ CPU is occasionally detected as Barton 3200+. If 400 FSB CPU is installed, users need to select correct CPU type in SoftMenuIII by themselves.

WOW modern tech is just so advanced:rolleyes:. By the way I noticed that the German site (jes-comp) is using GLS for shipping fear those idiots they can't find their ass with a map:p.

freekhead

yeah gls a great:rolleyes: but you get the option to use dutch post with jes....

Ryaner

Maybe the bios does have a bug. I've OCed my Xp2500+ to be 13x166 and it's picked up as Xp3000+ and I know it aint a problem with my bios or windows. That was the point I was making

Woden

eh i don't think ya have a bug isn't 13*166 what the 3000+ runs at? the bios just thinks your running a amd 3000+ coz you overclocked it, similary if you set it to 11*200 it may think you have a 3200+

Ryaner

Originally posted by davkav
another thing is i have my cpu overclocked to 2200Mhz its a 2500+ but on the post screen and in the likes of aida32 it shows up as a 3200+ even though it says 2500+ printed on the cpu is that the norm??

That was the original post. He was told he has a bios bug but the 3200+ does run around that speed. I dont see where the bug is but OfflerCrocGod posted the link to a real bug so hmmm.
In my case I know I dont have a bios bug. My bios picks up mine correctly as a 3000+ as thats what it's running at for now. Soon gonna be 13x200 so we see what that does

Woden

you'll be doing well to get 2.6ghz out of that with out a major voltage increase i reckon or if you have a very good chip let me know how it goes

Ryaner

Yeah I'll port the results when I get them. The temps were very high after the last OC, maxing at 75C for a second and dropping back to 72C during video encoding. Currently idles at 54C during the day and it's at 58C now. I've only got the zalmon flower cooler and it's in silent mode so that partly explains the high temps.

OfflerCrocGod

It IS a bug just because you OC a CPU to higher frequencies doesn't mean it magically transforms into a diffrent chip!!!. A 2500+ is a 2500+(yes I realise same core so basically 2500==3200), just because your 2500+ can go above it's rated speeds doesn't change the chip name. Could you imagine that if every piece of hardware you used in your computer were misreported! - it would p1ss off anyone, this misreporting is a bug.

Ebonyks

Speaking of GLS

Ordered stuff of JES about 7 weeks ago and only got it now. To say i had a problems with GLS would be an understatement. Took 4 goes at delivering using different address's and they finally found me. WELL DONE GLS! I even offered in an email to meet them half way and take them by the hand. A shipping company that does'nt know its way around...well....:mad:....whats the point.

....and to top it all off the thing i ordered (NEC 1300a DVDRW) is fubar outta the box.....so i have to RMA! Yeah, me, i'm a really happy camper.

Ryaner

It may be a misreporting bug in that system but my system is reporting the chip the way it's meant to. The system is picking it up as a diff chip because it is giving the performance of a different chip.
In reality it is still a 2500+ but as far a the board is comcerned it's not. In my setup it's a 3000+ and works just like one.

Woden

aye it depends on the bios, some nforce 2 m/b report the actual megahertz while some report the xp2500+ or whatever, if i overclocked a pentium i'd expect it to report the overclocked frequency not the original, i presume the m/b associated certain frequency multiplier combinations as different chips