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Cards stolen from wallet, to report?

  • 17-04-2020 7:10pm
    #1
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭


    Hi. My wallet was stolen on bus. I went to the bus station and it was handed in minus my cards. They took my name and phone no. but am worried, that if they catch the person, that they may want me to press charges. I don't want to do that as I'm from a small town and my second name stands out so as to be easily identifiable. Any info appreciated...


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  • #2
    hullaballoo
    Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,750 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    Hi OP, your post is a bit difficult to follow but the thread title as it was was utterly meaningless so I have updated it so people might have some inkling what it is about.


  • #3
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,493 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    You really need to tell your bank that the cards have been stolen, otherwise you will be stuck for the cost of anything the thieves buy.


  • #4
    Lmklad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Lmklad


    fantastic98 wrote: »
    Hi. My wallet was stolen on bus. I went to the bus station and it was handed in minus my cards. They took my name and phone no. but am worried, that if they catch the person, that they may want me to press charges. I don't want to do that as I'm from a small town and my second name stands out so as to be easily identifiable. Any info appreciated...

    If you didn’t report it to the Gardai then it isn’t reported stolen.


  • #5
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,354 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    You don't 'press charges' OP. We live in this country, not the one on the telly.


  • #6
    antix80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Sounds like a trolling attempt

    No one's going to look for your wallet. Rest easy.


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  • #7
    Lmklad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Lmklad


    Should have also added, definitely contact your bank though, with tap increases to €50 you could be loosing a lot of money and the banks only refund if you report the cards as stolen to Gardai.


  • #8
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    The bus station won't be actively looking for your wallet nor would they be looking for you to press charges. Unless you're living in North Korea.


  • #9
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    You'd have to move heaven and earth to get the Guards to investigate a stolen wallet. I wouldn't be worrying your pretty little head about it.

    Here's     a useful link if it does all go wrong though!


  • #10
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    May just be that the wallet inspector confiscated it.


  • #11
    mcgragger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭mcgragger


    Define Stolen on a bus?

    Were you mugged?


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  • #12
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    antix80 wrote: »
    Sounds like a trolling attempt

    No one's going to look for your wallet. Rest easy.

    There’s no need for anyone to look for the wallet, they got it back. Or did you miss that nugget with your faux outrage?


  • #13
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    Lmklad wrote: »
    If you didn’t report it to the Gardai then it isn’t reported stolen.
    Thanks. Was just worried that the bus company might contact the guards about it..


  • #14
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,113 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Shelby Some Food wrote: »
    There’s no need for anyone to look for the wallet, they got it back. Or did you miss that nugget with your faux outrage?

    good, they can dust it for prints and get their top men onto the investigation.


  • #15
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    Shelby Some Food wrote: »
    There’s no need for anyone to look for the wallet, they got it back. Or did you miss that nugget with your faux outrage?

    Yes they got it back but the cards had been taken .


  • #16
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    loyatemu wrote: »
    good, they can dust it for prints and get their top men onto the investigation.
    Nice one.


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cancel the cards, get replacements, and get on with your life.


  • #18
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    Lmklad wrote: »
    Should have also added, definitely contact your bank though, with tap increases to €50 you could be loosing a lot of money and the banks only refund if you report the cards as stolen to Gardai.
    Thanks . I've had the cards cancelled already. The man in the the lost property office made a phone call( probably to the bus driver but got no answer. He then asked for my phone number and said he'd ring me back. I should have asked him why but didn't.


  • #19
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    mcgragger wrote: »
    Define Stolen on a bus?

    Were you mugged?

    No. I left it behind me getting off the bus by accident. Would they be able to see the robbery on cctv


  • #20
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,467 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    fantastic98 wrote: »
    Hi. My wallet was stolen on bus. I went to the bus station and it was handed in minus my cards. They took my name and phone no. but am worried, that if they catch the person, that they may want me to press charges. I don't want to do that as I'm from a small town and my second name stands out so as to be easily identifiable. Any info appreciated...

    Press charges?


  • #21
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,467 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    fantastic98 wrote: »
    No. I left it behind me getting off the bus by accident. Would they be able to see the robbery on cctv

    That's not a robbery


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  • #22
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    You'd have to move heaven and earth to get the Guards to investigate a stolen wallet. I wouldn't be worrying your pretty little head about it.

    Here's     a useful link if it does all go wrong though!
    Thanks for that. Just worried bus people might want to see on their CCTV who did it .


  • #23
    antix80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭antix80


    Shelby Some Food wrote: »
    There’s no need for anyone to look for the wallet, they got it back. Or did you miss that nugget with your faux outrage?

    What outrage?

    It's good he got it back because now the cops can dust for fingerprints.


  • #24
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    fantastic98 wrote: »
    No. I left it behind me getting off the bus by accident. Would they be able to see the robbery on cctv

    When you say robbery, what you mean is some form of the word "found"


  • #25
    mcgragger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭mcgragger


    fantastic98 wrote: »
    No. I left it behind me getting off the bus by accident. Would they be able to see the robbery on cctv

    I would say the driver saw it all. Do you not know that bus drivers have eyes in the back of their heads.
    Its a pre requisite:eek:


  • #26
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    When you say robbery, what you mean is some form of the word "found"

    Google Theft by Finding and quit being such a jerk to the OP.


  • #27
    mcgragger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭mcgragger


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    Google Theft by Finding and quit being such a jerk to the OP.

    Ok thats from the finders point of view.

    The OP left it behind (allegedly) - Is he the victim of a theft?


  • #28
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    Google Theft by Finding and quit being such a jerk to the OP.

    None of what happens fits the definition of a robbery.


  • #29
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    None of what happens fits the definition of a robbery.

    Thought it was a robbery when someone steals my bank card . The wallet was left behind empty.


  • #30
    son.of.jimi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭son.of.jimi


    fantastic98 wrote: »
    that they may want me to press charges. I don't want to do that as I'm from a small town and my second name stands out so as to be easily identifiable. Any info appreciated...

    Sorry OP but are you Ron Burgandy? Kind of a big deal? Do you own many leather bound books?


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  • #31
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    The bus company couldn't give a fluck and won't report anything.....

    If you requested the footage under the new gdpr they could furnish you with all the footage you were present in but everyone else face would be blurred.

    If you request footage to be kept for the Gardai to investigate they will do so but you would need to go give a statement.

    Highly unlikely they'd ever chase it up though.


  • #32
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    The bus company couldn't give a fluck and won't report anything.....

    If you requested the footage under the new gdpr they could furnish you with all the footage you were present in but everyone else face would be blurred.

    If you request footage to be kept for the Gardai to investigate they will do so but you would need to go give a statement.

    Highly unlikely they'd ever chase it up though.
    Thanks. That's reassuring. I was just wondering why he said he would phone me back.


  • #33
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    How much cash was in the wallet?
    Were the cards used?


  • #34
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Robbery:



    Anyone else ever notice the lines are delivered differently at the two different parts of the film with the same scene.


  • #35
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    maestroamado wrote: »
    How much cash was in the wallet?
    Were the cards used?
    No cash and cards were not used.


  • #36
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    No sale.


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  • #37
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    fantastic98 wrote: »
    Thought it was a robbery when someone steals my bank card . The wallet was left behind empty.

    You were not the victim of a robbery and your wallet was not stolen.

    You can get a pass for not understanding the distinction between a robbery and plain theft but to say (as you did in your first post) that 'my wallet was stolen on (a) bus' was misleading.

    Your wallet was not stolen, someone picked it up when you left it behind on the seat or the floor and did a runner with your cards, that is known as theft by finding. Someone else then found your (now empty) wallet and handed it to the driver.

    But the cards have no intrinsic vaue so unless an attempt was used to fraudently use them, it's debatable whether the person who took them from your wallet could be charged with any offence for the theft of something which is, in effect, worth nothing.

    Say you got off the bus at 1 p.m. with your wallet under the seat and not very visible. At 2 p.m., you realise that you've lost your wallet, you're not sure when you had it last so in a state of panic, you phone your banks and get all the cards cancelled. At 3 p.m., I'm on the same bus and spot your wallet under the seat, I check the wallet, quickly remove all the cards (no cash or valuables) and drop the wallet back on the floor. Am I guilty of theft by finding? At the time I found the wallet, all of the cards were intrinsically worthless and practically uselsss so can I be charged with theft by finding? Even if the OP had not yet cancelled the cards when I found the wallet, I could claim in my defence that they might have been cancelled at the (unknown, because I'm not telling!) time I found the wallet. Unless I tried to use the cards, what crime (if any) can I be charged with?


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    You'd have to move heaven and earth to get the Guards to investigate a stolen wallet. I wouldn't be worrying your pretty little head about it.

    Here's     a useful link if it does all go wrong though!

    Courts packed with pickpockets daily.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    coylemj wrote: »
    You were not the victim of a robbery and your wallet was not stolen.

    You can get a pass for not understanding the distinction between a robbery and plain theft but to say (as you did in your first post) that 'my wallet was stolen on (a) bus' was misleading.

    Your wallet was not stolen, someone picked it up when you left it behind on the seat or the floor and did a runner with your cards, that is known as theft by finding. Someone else then found your (now empty) wallet and handed it to the driver.

    But the cards have no intrinsic vaue so unless an attempt was used to fraudently use them, it's debatable whether the person who took them from your wallet could be charged with any offence for the theft of something which is, in effect, worth nothing.

    Say you got off the bus at 1 p.m. with your wallet under the seat and not very visible. At 2 p.m., you realise that you've lost your wallet, you're not sure when you had it last so in a state of panic, you phone your banks and get all the cards cancelled. At 3 p.m., I'm on the same bus and spot your wallet under the seat, I check the wallet, quickly remove all the cards (no cash or valuables) and drop the wallet back on the floor. Am I guilty of theft by finding? At the time I found the wallet, all of the cards were intrinsically worthless and practically uselsss so can I be charged with theft by finding? Even if the OP had not yet cancelled the cards when I found the wallet, I could claim in my defence that they might have been cancelled at the (unknown, because I'm not telling!) time I found the wallet. Unless I tried to use the cards, what crime (if any) can I be charged with?

    It's still Theft or you could be charged with the lesser used offence of 'attempting to commit an indictable offence'. Value is not an essential ingredient for either.


  • #40
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Courts packed with pickpockets daily.


    That must be a tad inconvenient.


  • #41
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    fantastic98 wrote: »
    No cash and cards were not used.


    That matter i be thinking is closed.

    It really makes no sense, why would someone remove the cards if they had not intended using same.
    If it were me i would contact the CC company and ask if any of the cards were presented anywhere or online.




    I was talking to a guy recently who said his daughters phone €800 stolen in a small secondary school, he could not understand with all the cameras how they could not find the person who took it.


    I said to him, If you were principle of that school would you go to the trouble of finding the culprit as the problem then belong to the school.


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  • #42
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    It's still Theft or you could be charged with the lesser used offence of 'attempting to commit an indictable offence'.

    And (the quotation marks are yours) 'attempting to commit an indictable offence' is an offence according to what statute?
    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Value is not an essential ingredient for either.

    If, while standing on the public footpath, I reach in to my neighbour's garden and pick a dandelion, is that theft?


  • #43
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    coylemj wrote: »
    If, while standing on the public footpath, I reach in to my neighbour's garden and pick a dandelion, is that theft?

    de minimis non curat lex


  • #44
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,495 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    de minimis non curat lex

    Say I find a wallet containing credit cards which (unknown to me) have been cancelled, I remove them, pocket them and discard the wallet.

    What (if any) crime have I committed?

    Anglice tantum responde.


  • #45
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    coylemj wrote: »
    Say I find a wallet containing credit cards which (unknown to me) have been cancelled, I remove them, pocket them and discard the wallet.

    What (if any) crime have I committed?

    Anglice tantum responde.
    Think it's called theft by finding.


  • #46
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,510 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    What was else was in the wallet op? Something you don't want the authorities to find out about?


  • #47
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    What was else was in the wallet op? Something you don't want the authorities to find out about?

    Condom from 1999


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    That must be a tad inconvenient.

    Boom boom


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    coylemj wrote: »
    Say I find a wallet containing credit cards which (unknown to me) have been cancelled, I remove them, pocket them and discard the wallet.

    What (if any) crime have I committed?

    Anglice tantum responde.

    Section 4, Theft and fraud offences act 2001.

    They are the property of another.


  • #50
    fantastic98
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭fantastic98


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Condom from 1999

    Absolutely nothing else ..


  • #51
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Section 4, Theft and fraud offences act 2001.

    They are the property of another.


    Interesting and specific Mens Rea requirements though.


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