Pathside Charging Points

mirrorwall14 · 17-08-2017 9:37am #1

Hi everyone,

I've followed this forum on and off now for a year or so. I live it a semi D but no offstreet parking, parallel parking kerbside outside the house. Just wondering if anyone has installed a kerbside charger and has a ball park figure? When I looked into it last year there wasn't really much information around. The estate is still in the hands of the developer and likely won't be any issues with permission.

The alternative spot is across the bloody road so not helpful! :rolleyes:

:mad:

goz83 · 17-08-2017 9:47am

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Hi everyone,

I've followed this forum on and off now for a year or so. I live it a semi D but no offstreet parking, parallel parking kerbside outside the house. Just wondering if anyone has installed a kerbside charger and has a ball park figure? When I looked into it last year there wasn't really much information around. The estate is still in the hands of the developer and likely won't be any issues with permission.

The alternative spot is across the bloody road so not helpful! :rolleyes: :mad:

If permission won't be a problem, then I would guess you're looking at circa 1k. You will be looking at a pole mounted unit. I am sure one of the lads on here got one installed.

unkel · 17-08-2017 1:15pm

Permission is the big problem. As is public liability (your installation will not be on your private land), for which you need insurance. Bit of a minefield this

Soarer · 17-08-2017 1:47pm

Maybe ask your local council about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKaEhBjt1ls

ELM327 · 17-08-2017 2:08pm

Beware, while it's a great idea, it doesnt suit Ireland due to location of the poles

Soarer · 17-08-2017 2:31pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Beware, while it's a great idea, it doesnt suit Ireland due to location of the poles

Such a xenophobe!

ELM327 · 17-08-2017 2:49pm

Soarer wrote: »

Such a xenophobe!

I will confess, that took a second to register what you meant.:D

I actually meant, the light pole is on the side of the path away from the road, meaning there would be a cable crossing a pedestrian path which of course would never be allowed.

liamog · 17-08-2017 3:19pm

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Hi everyone,

I've followed this forum on and off now for a year or so. I live it a semi D but no offstreet parking, parallel parking kerbside outside the house. Just wondering if anyone has installed a kerbside charger and has a ball park figure? When I looked into it last year there wasn't really much information around. The estate is still in the hands of the developer and likely won't be any issues with permission.

The alternative spot is across the bloody road so not helpful! :rolleyes: :mad:

I've been going through the process with the guy who does the installations for eCars.

For us it's looking at around €1300 including all the works, certification, priority switches and reinstatement of the public areas. We had to get drawings done for the management company as well.

Your situation sounds very like ours, I still haven't got round to pulling the trigger as we have Blanch and Lucan FCPs 5 and 8 km away.

The installer is very busy at the moment, with the range of our car we only need to charge 2/3 times a week and we've had no issues using FCPs at 11pm.

oppenheimer1 · 17-08-2017 5:01pm

liamog wrote: »

I've been going through the process with the guy who does the installations for eCars.

For us it's looking at around €1300 including all the works, certification, priority switches and reinstatement of the public areas. We had to get drawings done for the management company as well.

Your situation sounds very like ours, I still haven't got round to pulling the trigger as we have Blanch and Lucan FCPs 5 and 8 km away.

The installer is very busy at the moment, with the range of our car we only need to charge 2/3 times a week and we've had no issues using FCPs at 11pm.

That's a very competitive quote, even for a very short run. Even doing the ground works yourself, it would be hard to beat that quote.

liamog · 11-10-2017 9:42pm

After 9 months of driving we finally have a home charge point.

I'd put the install on the back burner for a while as despite the majority opinion, public fast charging is very doable and personal circumstances meant the large outlay for the charge point was better held in case of emergency.

I'm going to order a shorter coiled cable now for use at home.

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mirrorwall14 · 11-10-2017 9:51pm

Oh wow that looks super. If you don't mind me asking, what was the ballpark cost? Or PM?

liamog · 11-10-2017 10:20pm

So quick run through of how I convinced a management company to allow the above.

1. Make sure you're up to date on all your management fees
- no point starting off on a bad foot.

2. I looked into the idea of installing the ESB free charger and running the cable over the cable
- This is obviously unsafe so I proposed to use a cable cover similiar to those used at music festivals

3. I confirmed with my home insurance company that they would cover any trips caused by the above proposal
- They confirmed in writing and where able to address the confirmation to the management company.

4. The management company were now happy with the proposal and that they weren't liable

5. I then suggested that I'd been talking to the installer who'd suggested a better plan (see the final picture)
- I pointed out that as we would be likely setting a precedant here, I wanted to ensure that any installation was as safe as possible
- The installer was able to provide pictures of similar installs
- The installer also provided drawings of the planned works.

6. At this point the management company agreed that it was a suitable plan.

7. Insert 4 months of Mrs. liamog moving jobs

8. Finally set a date and charger installed

unkel · 12-10-2017 10:00am

Result!

I know you've posted pictures before of your house and iirc your parking space is just across the (public) path from your house. In my case the installer was looking for well over a grand extra to put a similar concrete pedestal charger in on my driveway that I own. It would have been convenient, but I found the money excessive and just went with the free install (and bought a 15m Type 2 cable that I leave tethered to the charger for convenience). I'm actually surprised you didn't go for the tethered charger?

Do you mind sharing how much the total install cost was extra on top of the free charger? You'd be doing a lot of people a favour as there are almost zero new reasonably affordable houses (say under €400k) being built in the greater Dublin area where people have their own driveway

Next step: sign up with Just Energy, charge your car for free at home and mine a few cryptocurrencies for free too

thelikelylad · 12-10-2017 11:27am

unkel wrote: »

Result!

I know you've posted pictures before of your house and iirc your parking space is just across the (public) path from your house. In my case the installer was looking for well over a grand extra to put a similar concrete pedestal charger in on my driveway that I own. It would have been convenient, but I found the money excessive and just went with the free install (and bought a 15m Type 2 cable that I leave tethered to the charger for convenience). I'm actually surprised you didn't go for the tethered charger?

Is there anyway to lock the cable to the untethered ABL unit? I'd like to do the same but wouldn't fancy coming home to find the cable gone.

unkel · 12-10-2017 11:30am

Nah, but I've locked the cable to a tree. It would be easier and more profitable to steal my car than to steal my cable

Come to think of it, maybe I should lock it to a few more trees and hedges. Will cost me feck all to do that and I guess it would be a right pain in the neck to steal it then. Not that there is a lot of demand for 15m type 2 32A cables. Mine is quite likely the only one in the country

elperello · 12-10-2017 11:31am

liamog wrote: »

So quick run through of how I convinced a management company to allow the above.

1. Make sure you're up to date on all your management fees
- no point starting off on a bad foot.

2. I looked into the idea of installing the ESB free charger and running the cable over the cable
- This is obviously unsafe so I proposed to use a cable cover similiar to those used at music festivals

3. I confirmed with my home insurance company that they would cover any trips caused by the above proposal
- They confirmed in writing and where able to address the confirmation to the management company.

4. The management company were now happy with the proposal and that they weren't liable

5. I then suggested that I'd been talking to the installer who'd suggested a better plan (see the final picture)
- I pointed out that as we would be likely setting a precedant here, I wanted to ensure that any installation was as safe as possible
- The installer was able to provide pictures of similar installs
- The installer also provided drawings of the planned works.

6. At this point the management company agreed that it was a suitable plan.

7. Insert 4 months of Mrs. liamog moving jobs

8. Finally set a date and charger installed

It looks good.
Have you considered what happens if you move?

unkel · 12-10-2017 12:12pm

He's just bought the house. Unlikely to move in the next 10 years. And even if he did, what difference would it make? Just leave it there for the next owner to enjoy. You wouldn't remove PV panels from your roof or remove the newly installed expensive gas boiler either when you move house surely?

liamog · 12-10-2017 12:39pm

If anyone is looking to do a similar install you should budget €1,500 to €2,000.

I was able to do a part-ex on my eCars charger to bring the price down a bit.

If I move house we'll either remove the charge point and take it with us, or maybe the new owner will have an EV by that point and we can use at as a selling point.

At the price we paid, I figure it's 12 months of fuel savings compared to our old ICE.

If fee based public charging comes in at 30c/kWh I will be saving about €320 with the home charger.
But when I add the McDonalds Charging levy to that, charging three times a week was going to cost us another €1200 in junk food and coffee

thelikelylad · 12-10-2017 8:53pm

Very tidy job liamog. Just wondering if it is 7kW or 3.6kW?

All you need now is for a few of the neigbours to get EVs and you can start charging them to use your point

Did you consider just putting in a lockable outdoor 13A socket instead? If I didn't get the free ecars charger + install I reckon I'd still just be using the granny cable.

unkel · 12-10-2017 9:27pm

thelikelylad wrote: »

Just wondering if it is 7kW or 3.6kW?

Seriously?

thelikelylad · 12-10-2017 9:42pm

unkel wrote: »

Seriously?

Erm yup.

Think I just found my answer elsewhere. 7kW with a priority switch for the shower liamog?

I must get around to upping my unit to 7kW at some stage in the future. I guess I might need a priority switch also, or to just rip out the shower.

liamog · 12-10-2017 11:19pm

Yep, went for the 7kW. The price difference between a 3.5 and 7 kW was barely worth the difference.

I plan on getting a Model 3 as the next car. Wanted to make sure I can do a fullish charge in the 9 hour night rate window.

I didn't want to go for a tethered option, as it's in a very exposed location and would be easier for kids to mess with.

elperello · 12-10-2017 11:29pm

unkel wrote: »

He's just bought the house. Unlikely to move in the next 10 years. And even if he did, what difference would it make? Just leave it there for the next owner to enjoy. You wouldn't remove PV panels from your roof or remove the newly installed expensive gas boiler either when you move house surely?

I didn't know he'd just bought the house.
Anyway he has clarified that he may leave it if the new owner wants it or take it with him.
That sounds sensible.
I was interested because of the management company concern over insurance. If the new owner had no use for it and it was just left there that could have been a problem.

Gumbo · 12-10-2017 11:38pm

Nice job.

I’m currently involved in 2 of these for clients but planning permission and management companies are holding them up.

The planning end is where I come in. One council here in dubli has already put it on record that planning is required as I lodged a Section 5. This is most likely due to its location though. The site in South Dublin is contained within a larger area that is deemed to be in the list of national monuments (Newcastle).

The other in Dublin City, the council has classed it as works. It’s nkt street furniture so can’t enjoy that exemption. If it was in a garden you could enjoy the 1.2m height exemption but on the public grass area it is deemed as to requiring planning.

Both clients are pondering their next move.

unkel · 12-10-2017 11:44pm

thelikelylad wrote: »

Erm yup.

Do you honestly think someone would get this install done for €1700 with a 3.6kW output if they could have done it for €1750 with a 7.2kW output?

If there is someone out there like that, maybe they should consider not reproducing :pac:

ted1 · 13-10-2017 9:40am

Is the spot you have designated or is it a common spot, what happens if a neighbour or somebody else starts parking or even charging there ?

liamog · 13-10-2017 9:45am

We've had the house for 6 years. It's a three bed and we've no plans for kids in the short term.

I've finished doing my analysis of our bank accounts.

Estimated fast food savings will be €50 a month.
If paid charging is introduced, I'm guesstimating a €25 a month saving by home charging.

Charger will save me €75 a month giving an approx. 20 month payback, or 29 months if the free charging regime continues.

liamog · 13-10-2017 9:49am

ted1 wrote: »

Is the spot you have designated or is it a common spot, what happens if a neighbour or somebody else starts parking or even charging there ?

If they start charging there I'm going to have some very strong words about stealing electricity

It's not designated parking, but in 6 years it's probably only been 7/8 times that people have parked outside our house in a way that would block us. Ironically Sunday night was one of them, we'd been away for the weekend and parked at the airport long term car park. Got home and was to the first time using the charger as the install was only finished last Friday after we'd left for the airport.

The Ioniq has enough range that we don't need to charge every night, so I'm not overly concerned.

thelikelylad · 13-10-2017 3:32pm

unkel wrote: »

Do you honestly think someone would get this install done for €1700 with a 3.6kW output if they could have done it for €1750 with a 7.2kW output?

If there is someone out there like that, maybe they should consider not reproducing :pac:

Wasn't aware of the prices. If they have an EV let them reproduce

€1,750 is steep though? Surely an outdoor lockable three-pin socket would have been significantly cheaper but like you say liamog it'll pay off over time I guess and yeah I wouldn't fancy charging a Model ≡ from a granny cable.

cros13 · 13-10-2017 4:11pm

kceire wrote: »

Both clients are pondering their next move.

Ah... sure it's often easier to ask forgiveness than permission.

If the council objects:
newsdesk@irishtimes.com
mkeenan@independent.ie
george.lee@rte.ie

Sometimes trial by media is the only way to get them moving...

liamog · 13-10-2017 4:22pm

cros13 wrote: »

Ah... sure it's often easier to ask forgiveness than permission.

If the council objects:
newsdesk@irishtimes.com
mkeenan@independent.ie
george.lee@rte.ie

Sometimes trial by media is the only way to get them moving...

Might be a good idea to give Noel Rock a shout too.
He's pro EV (I think he drives a Leaf) and this is one area we could really do with some legislation.

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