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25-03-2011, 18:01   #1216
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Just went on to daves to check who replied to you and it was Ttompatz. He used to work in the foreign help centre so he knows what he's talking about. I guess you'll have to wait the 90 days out.

But I'd still question it to the relevant offices to confirm it. There's no harm in trying.
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25-03-2011, 18:03   #1217
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[QUOTE=cloneslad;71353520] however if it was Ttompatz who told you that then he's most likely right and I'm wrong[/B]

Yeah it was him, guess I 'll have to wait
Still tho how could the embassy not be able to answer that - so unhelpful

Thanks for the advice tho
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It can be expensive but you can also get good day trip deals.

for example, I was able to get a bus to and from my bus station (which I live across the road from...it also picked up people at different locations around the island) brought to the ski resort in Muju (just over 2 hours away), got my snowboard and boots, a day's ski pass and a return bus home for 80,000won (about €50) It would have been slightly cheaper to do the trip but ski instead of snowboard.

However, if you just wanted to go by yourself for the weekend it can get expensive. Ski passes are 65,000 for the day time another 60,000 or so for night time skiing, then you'd have to pay 10-20,000 for boots and skis/board, pay for accomodation, food and transport.
FIFTY EURO for a full day of skiing? that is sweet , and that includes all the gear and a bus to and from, that is great value!
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Hi there.. Lookin for some advice. I'm in the final year of my degree and very much interested in travelling to South Korea to do the TEFL as have heard good things about it and want to travel anyway. Should I do one of the TEFL courses before I travel? How does the actual teaching work? As in I don't speak any Korean, how do I explain myself to the students? How long does it take for the visa to come through? I should have my exam results around the start of July, would I need to apply straight away if I wished to head off in September say? What would one be looking at as regards pay roughly? Is there any particular areas to avoid when looking at jobs? What's the best way to go about finding a job, if you know of someone out there would you be better off trying to go through them or through a recruiter?

Lots of questions I know, sorry! If anyone could help me out I would be very grateful. Thanks!
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26-03-2011, 02:54   #1220
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Hi there.. Lookin for some advice.
I'm guessing you haven't done any research when you've asked all those questions. Most have been answered in this thread (though it's quite long now). I'll help you anyway

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I'm in the final year of my degree and very much interested in travelling to South Korea to do the TEFL as have heard good things about it and want to travel anyway. Should I do one of the TEFL courses before I travel?
It depends if you feel you need to do one or not. If you're going to a public school then it will improve your pay level, if you are going to a private school it MAY help your chances of finding a job.

It can help out with grammar you may have forgotten or never knew existed (this will happen quite regularly when you start teaching), it will also give you an idea of how to teach English as a second / foreign language.

As an aside, you won't get to do a lot of travel to other countries during your contract, so if you think you are coming to Korea to teach a few hours during the week but fly away to Thailand / Vietnam / Indonesia etc at the weekend or on the vast amount of holidays you'll receive as a teacher then you might want to think again. You work in Korea and get very few holidays, if you're in a private school (hagwon) you will be lucky to get 2 weeks off a year and even luckier if they are spaced out at a week at a time. Public schools generally get about 21 days vacation a year, these can be taken during the school's vacation time (jan-feb and July -Aug) with prior consent of the principal

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How does the actual teaching work? s in I don't speak any Korean, how do I explain myself to the students?
I get asked this a lot, and all I can say is "in English". You build up their vocabulary so that they are able to communicate with you. It's not as hard as you think it will be. However, if you are honestly lost by how to do it then I'd suggest doing a good TEFL or CELTA course to help you through it.

Though speaking in Korean to the kids is not recommended by most schools, knowing the Korean name of a piece of vocabulary you are teaching or a grammar point (verb, idiom, adjective etc) can make explaining it much quicker. Then you can get them to give you examples of the grammar point of a synonmym of the word you've just taught them to ensure they understand.

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How long does it take for the visa to come through?
Once you have been accepted for a job and have all your documents gathered, it takes about 2 days to send them to Korea, 1 week to get your visa number. Arrange an interview with the embassy in Ireland (they only interview 2 days a week) then it takes 5 working days to get the visa back from them.

If you don't know what documents you need, then that's a whole other question, but again, I'll answer it.

Degree scroll (Only a photcopy is needed and accepted since September 2010) this must be notarised by a commissioner of oathes and apostilled by the dept of foreign affairs.

Garda background check - This takes about 1-2 weeks to get. You only want the free check to say you haven't committed any crimes, you do not want the one that requires you to pay 6-7 euro for to apply to Thurles that states you can work with kids.

Health form (signed by you) - this can be downloaded from the internet

Passport photos - this doesn't need explaining

A copy of the information page of your passport

Transcripts of your results for every year in University - Since Sept 2010 these are no longer required by immigration to obtain a visa, however, some schools are still requesting them. When they were complusory to get a visa, they had to be placed in a sealed envelope with the stamp of your college / university placed over the seal.

When you get to korea you'll have to do a medical check and drugs test. If you have HIV / Hepatitis B (i think it's B) then you will not be allowed to teach. If you fail the drugs test, you will not be allowed to teach. You will also be asked to leave the country on your own expense.

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I should have my exam results around the start of July, would I need to apply straight away if I wished to head off in September say?
you need your degree scroll. If you don't have that then I think you can get a letter from the university saying you have passed the course etc etc, but these can be a pain to obtain. If you are in an I.T. and are doing an add on honours degree (to an original bachelors degree) then you can use the ordinary bachelors degree to get a job.

Have all your documents ready to go before you start applying for joba, or at least be in the process of getting them, Koreans hire when they want someone yesterday, so they don't want to wait for you to get your documents which will mean 1 month for them to get a teacher.

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What would one be looking at as regards pay roughly?
Depends on your qualifications, public / private school, the location of the school, the hours you teach, how generous the school feels, what you can haggle.

In general, for someone like you who will only be holding a degree, no TEFL, CELTA, no masters, no experience then a public school job will offer you in the region of 1.8 million per month as you will be on the lowest rung of the ladder (if you can get on the ladder at all).

Private schools (hagwons) pay more than public schools but you have the potential risk of having a crap boss, being overworked, not gettin paid on time or at all and then getting fired towards the end of your contract to avoid paying your airfare home and severance (this doesn't happen often, but it does occur). Hagwons will pay anywhere between 2.0-2.4 million for someone with your qualifications, though to be honest if you get offered anything more than 2.2 you'll be doing well.


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That all depends on you, if you like cities, avoid the country and vice-versa. You generally won't be applying to an area, rather to a recruiter so they will try place you somewhere and it's up for you to decide (through research) whether or not you want to go there.

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What's the best way to go about finding a job, if you know of someone out there would you be better off trying to go through them or through a recruiter?
Does the person you know have any jobs they can get you? If they do, and the job is good, then use them. If the person you know has no contacts, no potential jobs etc then they are of no use to you. Most people use recruiters as it's recruiters who advertise most jobs online, but some apply directly to ads that have been placed by schools.

Look on Daves esl's jobs pages. / Craigslist and anywhere else jobs are advertised to find one.

I think you could honestly do with looking more into this and deciding if it's really what you want. It's good to ask questions and get them answered, and most of us in here are only to happy to do it, but most of your questions could have been answered with an hour or two of reading through this thread / daves esl or to make it easier, through a google search to bring up the page of this thread or a thread on daves esl that would answer your questions.

I think most of the basic questions you need answering have now been answered, so if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.
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26-03-2011, 03:01   #1221
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FIFTY EURO for a full day of skiing? that is sweet , and that includes all the gear and a bus to and from, that is great value!

It doesn't include clothing, though you can rent that there and you can pick up some ski pants in any of the small markets for about 10,000 won.
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26-03-2011, 12:02   #1222
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Thanks cloneslad really appreciate you taking the time to answer these questions. I have done a fair bit of research, have met with the college career guidance. I know it won't be possible to do any real travel when teaching there, I meant that it is a place I would like to visit at some point so why not now. I know of a few friends of friends kind of if you get me over there so hoping they might be able to help me out with finding some work. I think from what you said I might be as well off doing some kind of course to brush up on the grammar and the likes. Is there any course in particular you think would be well suited for me? I don't really plan on doing this as a full time career just maybe for 4 or 5 years, in different locations hopefully, if that makes any difference to the type of course I should be considering?

Thanks again for all your help, you're a star!
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you can't go too far wrong with a CELTA. It's a proper recognised course than runs over the course of a month or so. It's quite demanding in both time and effort. It is also mosre expensive than just doing a TEFL course, but if you plan on teaching ESL for 4-5 years it will more than pay for itself, in fact it will pay for itself in less than 1 year in a Korean public school with the pay rise you'd get from it.

If you are only considering doing an online TEFL course, I'd advise you not to bother wasting your money. Instead, just head to your local library and borrow some grammar books or ESL books. If you have no good library near you, you could just find some resources online and teach yourself.

Using online resources also helps you when you are teaching. I find it helps me explain harder grammatical points and topics in a much easier way than if I just tried to do it without reading up on it first.
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Jayus Cloneslad you are on fire tonight! Slow weekend I guess?
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Pi$$ing it down in Vietnam, I'm in a quiet beach area so I've nothing else to be at. I was supposed to be relaxing on a beach until Tuesday but I'm leaving tomorrow because it's supposed to be raining all week.

I'm as white as when I left, if it carries on like this, I'm gonna skip the Taj Mahal and find a hotel in India with a pool on the roof.
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Grand for some!
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you can't go too far wrong with a CELTA. It's a proper recognised course than runs over the course of a month or so. It's quite demanding in both time and effort. It is also mosre expensive than just doing a TEFL course, but if you plan on teaching ESL for 4-5 years it will more than pay for itself, in fact it will pay for itself in less than 1 year in a Korean public school with the pay rise you'd get from it.

If you are only considering doing an online TEFL course, I'd advise you not to bother wasting your money. Instead, just head to your local library and borrow some grammar books or ESL books. If you have no good library near you, you could just find some resources online and teach yourself.

Using online resources also helps you when you are teaching. I find it helps me explain harder grammatical points and topics in a much easier way than if I just tried to do it without reading up on it first.
Thanks a mill Cloneslad, much appreciated!
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Hey,

brilliant thread...I'm hoping to head out to SK in the next few months, and have been put off a bit by the postings on Dave's, so it's really good to hear some positive reports! Just hoping that someone could clarify a few things for me, please? I'm from the South, but I live in NI, and my degree's from here. I assume I'll have to get it notarised here, but can i get it apostillated in Dublin? Also, does anyone know what kind of check I need to get from the PSNI, and where this can be apostillated? Will I need a Garda check too? This is probably a stupid question, but can I have my interview in Dublin, or will I have to go to London for it?

Cheers!
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Hey,

brilliant thread...I'm hoping to head out to SK in the next few months, and have been put off a bit by the postings on Dave's, so it's really good to hear some positive reports! Just hoping that someone could clarify a few things for me, please? I'm from the South, but I live in NI, and my degree's from here. I assume I'll have to get it notarised here, but can i get it apostillated in Dublin? Also, does anyone know what kind of check I need to get from the PSNI, and where this can be apostillated? Will I need a Garda check too? This is probably a stupid question, but can I have my interview in Dublin, or will I have to go to London for it?

Cheers!
you will be able to get everything done in Dublin, you have an Irish passport and are an Irish citizen. My friend only had a great britian and N. Ireland passport but he was able to get all his documents and things like that done in Dublin, as it's still the Embassy of the island.

As for the PSNI check, it might be easier to just get the Gardaí check. If you've only lived in N. Ireland for a few years at college, just give the gardaí your home address, if it's still in their jurisdicyion, they'll sort it for you. I did my masters in Belfast but I didn't bother getting a PSNI check.
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brilliant thread...I'm hoping to head out to SK in the next few months, and have been put off a bit by the postings on Dave's, so it's really good to hear some positive reports! Just hoping that someone could clarify a few things for me, please? I'm from the South, but I live in NI, and my degree's from here. I assume I'll have to get it notarised here, but can i get it apostillated in Dublin? Also, does anyone know what kind of check I need to get from the PSNI, and where this can be apostillated? Will I need a Garda check too? This is probably a stupid question, but can I have my interview in Dublin, or will I have to go to London for it?

Cheers!
Whatever you do, don't get a PSNI check. As Cloneslad has said you will probably be able to get just Garda check anyway as you're from the south but even if you had always lived in the north the PSNI check is useless. I'm from the north, and I got the PSNI check only to then be told that is irrelevant, the only criminal check accepted for Britain and N.I is from a company called Disclosure Scotland as it is a nationwide check.
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