No right wing alternative= No alternative

Somedaythefire · 22-01-2020 2:47pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why is it assumed that all right wing people are anti abortion? Not everyone who is right wing is religious and some people who are left wing are pro life. Are there not fiscally conservative people who are more worried about economics then religious issues.

I would have thought in the way of libertarianism you would want governments out of decision making. So I really can't get this oh this issue is only for the right and this is for the left.

Because OP doesn’t really know what they’re talking about.

marieholmfan · 22-01-2020 2:47pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why is it assumed that all right wing people are anti abortion? Not everyone who is right wing is religious and some people who are left wing are pro life.

I would have thought in the way of libertarianism you would want governments out of decision making. So I really can't get this oh this issue is only for the right and this is for the left.

It's just a trick to fool the elderly and morons.
Anti abortion people are older than average and anti immigration people are dumber than average. Both are easy to fool into giving tax cuts to the shadowy individuals behind groups like the national party. That's why it's called a grift.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 22-01-2020 2:51pm

OP may be a bit misguided but he's right. There are no alternatives... well they are but they were buried with the timing of this election, the day after the election was called we all saw FF, FG, Greens, SF posters go up everywhere and those leaflets pushed through our letterboxes. 3 weeks doesn't give any time for the smaller parties to get their stuff together, it's VERY convenient timing...not to mention this RTE debate that just features...Varadkar and Martin.

There are no alternatives because that's what they want.

Cordell · 22-01-2020 2:53pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Multi multi millionaires - and before you tell me they'll run off to Monaco or whatever I would rendite them for that.

Assuming they don't run, you still need to extract billions from them, 40 of them, in cold hard cash, and fast. They don't have it, most of their wealth is in assets, not cash.

Mad_maxx · 22-01-2020 2:58pm

The Nal wrote: »

Renua are a new right wing party. They got lots of coverage from the "MSM" and 2.2%, 0.4% and 0.6% of people voted for them in three elections they have contested.

They get a fraction of the media exposure that the far left receives

Nobody in the party has impressed me yet however

We won't see the emergence of a proper Conservative party until some sort of vaguely conservative media outlet arrives, Leo was roasted by the media three years ago for making the vanilla comment that he

"wanted to give those who rise early a break"

Unless politicians promise to spend, spend and spend more along with quelling opposition to DP centres etc, they are going to be hammered by the media here

Somedaythefire · 22-01-2020 3:01pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

They get a fraction of the media exposure that the far left receives

Nobody in the party has impressed me yet however

I’m interested in knowing who these far left parties getting exposure are?

Just PBP/Solidarity?

is_that_so · 22-01-2020 3:01pm

The Nal wrote: »

Renua are a new right wing party. They got lots of coverage from the "MSM" and 2.2%, 0.4% and 0.6% of people voted for them in three elections they have contested.

We don't do right and left, politically, in the sense that other countries view it. Most of what we have is in the centre or leftish with tinges of the right in FG in some areas. We have a few loony left but of little consequence.

is_that_so · 22-01-2020 3:02pm

Somedaythefire wrote: »

I’m interested in knowing who these far left parties getting exposure are?

Anyone not FG or FF would be my guess.

Somedaythefire · 22-01-2020 3:04pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Anyone not FG or FF would be my guess.

Also my guess, although seems some people here seem to think FF/FG are left wing. So I’m kind of confused.

gmisk · 22-01-2020 3:05pm

circadian wrote: »

Let's not forget the National Party.

I think I'd rather we did

Dr. Bre · 22-01-2020 3:06pm

No left wing alternative in the US - opposite to hear

Mad_maxx · 22-01-2020 3:06pm

Somedaythefire wrote: »

I’m interested in knowing who these far left parties getting exposure are?

Just PBP/Solidarity?

PBP, never get above 5% of the vote, Richard boyd Barrett was a regular on RTE years before becoming even a member of Dun Laoighre Council

IAmTheReign · 22-01-2020 3:08pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

One thing that strikes me about this election is the idea people are voting for change well their really isn't any!.

All left left left and more left parties.

Not one mainstream party in Ireland is even remotely right so how can you have choice if what you vote for is all the same?.

Not a cigarette papers worth of difference between

Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail/ Greens/People before profit/Sinn Fein/Labour etc etc
For example
They all support the EU Not true. PBP support leaving the EU, and SF have traditionally been Euroskeptic right up until the Brexit referendum.
they all support abortion, Also not true. A majority of FF TDs were against the abortion referendum. See here.
all support mass immigration into Ireland (in fact won't discuss it at all under any circumstances)The free movement of labour is very much an economically right wing position.
Not one will ask for public referendum on issuesIgnoring the fact that holding referendums is neither a left or right wing thing to do we've had multiple referendums over the past few years. One of which included abortion rights. Despite your opinion it was the decision of the people, not big government that allowed for abortions in Ireland.
Refuse to acknowledge billions so far has been spent on direct provision centres while the downtrodden poor Irish people die on the streets1.3 billion, not billions, has been spent in the last 20 years but what's your point exactly? I would think alt right types like yourself would love the fact we keep immigrants in what are basically internment camps. Direct provision centres have people living in appalling conditions. Besides, what do you think the government should do for those downtrodden poor Irish people? Surely a right wing type like yourself isn't advocating for some kind of lefty social programs or handouts?
Refuse to question the money doctors get from pharmaceutical firms, The amount of money that pharma companies handout to doctors is tiny in this country. Besides I don't know why you think this is a left wing thing?
refuse to acknowledge the billions Ireland has in oil and gas etc etc etc Not true. FG have publicly stated recently they are considering 10 new licences for natural gas exploration.

They are all basically the same, left leaning gombeens lining their own pockets making fools of the general public.

Worst is them hardcore Marxist parties that come out with stupid names like People before profit or Anti Austerity alliance, amazed such newspeak buzzword simplicity works on people.
All mindless leftie nonsense.

The only right wing party in Ireland I can think of is the National party and they are tiny and will never ever get media coverage. Not that I agree with them on everything a few bits.

(sigh waits for the mindless screaming of racist this and that)

I like some right wing policies ie

Small accountable government.

Pro life- Believe it or not some people believe life is still sacred Some people do, but the reality is that the people voted overwhelmingly to allow legislating for abortions. I thought you were for referendums?

Look after our own citizens first, if we can't look after our own how can we possibly look after tens of thousands of other people?. Government supports and social programs aren't exactly right wing.

A return to our own heritage. This is something often over looked in Ireland, we need to value our history culture and language. Easier said than done in a country where the vast majority of people don't speak the native tongue in fact openly desipise and dismiss it but we can make a start. I've traveled a lot and Irish people are generally well versed in their history and culture compared to other countries. Nationalism isn't exclusively right wing though, look at SF

Hate to see Ireland become a meaningless vassel state to the EU which all mainstream parties support as they will not question the EU on anything!.

So with no right wing alternative how is this General Election offering ANY alternative?.

Bit of a joke if you ask me.

OP you have a very Trumpian idea of left vs. right wing politics. If you really think your position has merit there's nothing stopping you from standing. Sure you could even throw your lot in with the National Party. I'm sure they'd take whoever they can get.

The Nal · 22-01-2020 3:11pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

They get a fraction of the media exposure that the far left receives

Only because no one voted for them. They got as much exposure as the big parties when they started.

is_that_so wrote: »

We don't do right and left, politically, in the sense that other countries view it. Most of what we have is in the centre or leftish with tinges of the right in FG in some areas. We have a few loony left but of little consequence.

Somedaythefire · 22-01-2020 3:11pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

PBP, never get above 5% of the vote, Richard boyd Barrett was a regular on RTE years before becoming even a member of Dun Laoighre Council

So just them? Most conservative politicians in Ireland would be part of FF/FG, who get a lot of exposure in the media under your terms. Which makes sense as they’re both economic conservative parties.

Renua were in the news a lot when they first spun out. Since then they’ve gone backwards, hence no exposure because there’s no appetite in the country for that party, less than even PBP.

super_furry · 22-01-2020 3:11pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

No left wing alternative in the US - opposite to hear

True enough. The so called liberal left Democrats would be right of our main 'right-wing' party Fine Gael.

Mad_maxx · 22-01-2020 3:12pm

Andy Angry Woodpecker wrote: »

"Right-wing" covers a broad spectrum of beliefs, many of which conflict with one another.

Broadly, we have the nativist right, characterized by their blood-and-soil rhetoric and opposition to immigration. We have the religious right, characterized by their adherence to traditional church teachings and opposition to issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage. We have the free-market/libertarian right, which sees high taxes, an enormous welfare state, and numerous government monopolies as holding back individual potential and economic progress. Then we have those who are labeled right-wing for ridiculing so-called "woke" thinking around speech codes, safe spaces, preferred pronouns, gender-neutral bathrooms, etc.

There can be major differences of opinion between these groups. The free-market right generally welcomes immigrants while the nativist right wants to keep them out. A religious conservative might believe that allowing gays and lesbians to marry is immoral, while a libertarian might say that the government shouldn't intervene in the informed choices of consenting adults. A nationalist might believe that mandatory Irish should be enforced on all children, while a libertarian again might say that the choice of what languages to speak or learn should be up to individual parents and children.

So before you start calling for a "right-wing party," you have to define exactly what you mean by that. I don't believe there's all that much support in Ireland for the nativist or religious right positions. But the Progressive Democrats did very well for many years espousing economic and social liberalism, and there's a gap there that still hasn't been filled.

Broadly speaking, is Ireland more right or left?

Lonesomerhodes · 22-01-2020 3:12pm

AulWan wrote: »

But you don't apply that to a woman having control over her own body, obviously.

You do realize when a woman is pregnant she carries another body?.

That baby doesn't have much 'choice' when it's being dismembered.

Anyway the whole my body my choice argument is absurd.

Can you walk around naked all day smoking crack?

Why not it's your body?.

How about jumping off a building and landing on people?.

Why not it's your body?.

There is always restrictions to some degree regarding your body, otherwise you could be naked all day long everyday.

is_that_so · 22-01-2020 3:14pm

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Also my guess, although seems some people here seem to think FF/FG are left wing. So I’m kind of confused.

It's that socially liberal thing SSM, 8th, feeding the costly welfare state etc.

Doctor Jimbob · 22-01-2020 3:16pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

You do realize when a woman is pregnant she carries another body?.

That baby doesn't have much 'choice' when it's being dismembered.

Anyway the whole my body my choice argument is absurd.

Can you walk around naked all day smoking crack?

Why not it's your body?.

How about jumping off a building and landing on people?.

Why not it's your body?.

There is always restrictions to some degree regarding your body, otherwise you could be naked all day long everyday.

You're the one who was going on about the importance of choice earlier in the thread.

What you really mean is there needs to be more choices that suit you though, right?

jimmycrackcorm · 22-01-2020 3:16pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

I' would hammer them alot. The council houses would be built long before we ran out of rich people's money.

I think you'd find that we'd run out of rich people long before the planning applications for council houses got past nimby objectors.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/31/france-drops-75percent-supertax

https://www.nomoretax.eu/france-wants-back-rich-people/

is_that_so · 22-01-2020 3:16pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Broadly speaking, is Ireland more right or left?

Probably a mix of both. A little right of centre as we age and maybe more left of centre in our yuff.

Mad_maxx · 22-01-2020 3:16pm

victor8600 wrote: »

Do explain: what is the definition of a "right wing" party for you?

Because I consider both FF/FG to be center-right parties. Ireland is one of the most capitalist countries in the EU, only with strangely lax unemployment policies. Ireland has fifth largest number of billionaires per capita in the world. Business regulation is very lax, with banks allowed to charge the highest interest for mortgages in the Western Europe. Childcare "subsidy" is a joke, with families in Dublin paying a €1000 or more per month per child in creche (compared to €150-200 in Germany).

Hardly a left wing socialist country, and the result of the FF/FG tandem in power.

Banks charge higher interest rates here due to the inability to repossess

That's a left wing policy which prevents moving against those who default

Somedaythefire · 22-01-2020 3:17pm

is_that_so wrote: »

It's that socially liberal thing SSM, 8th, feeding the costly welfare state etc.

All only followed through with because of public opinion. They’re still centre-right parties, regardless.

jimgoose · 22-01-2020 3:17pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You're the one who was going on about the importance of choice earlier in the thread.

What you really mean is there needs to be more choices that suit you though, right?

He's yet another one of those strange people who seem to have gotten it into their heads that "RIght Wing" has something to do with the Roman Catholic church and it's weird obsession with women and sex.

Doctor Jimbob · 22-01-2020 3:19pm

jimgoose wrote: »

He's yet another one of those strange people who seem to have gotten it into their heads that "RIght Wing" has something to do with the Roman Catholic church and it's weird obsession with women and sex.

Edit - I'm a moron

meeeeh · 22-01-2020 3:22pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Banks charge higher interest rates here due to the inability to repossess

That's a left wing policy which prevents moving against those who default

Actually that's a populist policy, not particularly left wing. Left would offer you social housing, they tend not to be particularly forgiving about private debts. Anyway it's only one policy.

I think op wants a big party to match his views. At the moment there is no market for it, you need critical mass of people and those policies don't have it.

jmayo · 22-01-2020 3:24pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

One thing that strikes me about this election is the idea people are voting for change well their really isn't any!.

All left left left and more left parties.

Not one mainstream party in Ireland is even remotely right so how can you have choice if what you vote for is all the same?.

Not a cigarette papers worth of difference between

Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail/ Greens/People before profit/Sinn Fein/Labour etc etc
For example
They all support the EU
they all support abortion,

You are the type of person that I have major problem with when it comes to what I want in right wing.
You have to lump in economically conservative, tough on justice, tight immigration control with foaming at the mouth return to good old catholic values Ireland.

I would say lot of Irish people would have similar views.
Yes we want toughening of wastage on career social welfarists, building of prisons and tougher sentencing of career and dangerous criminals, tigh immigration controls to prevent the sham marriages, the climate and ethos that invites and facilitates bogus asylum seekers.
But we do not want that good old catholic church moralistic two faced society.

is_that_so wrote: »

We don't do right and left, politically, in the sense that other countries view it. Most of what we have is in the centre or leftish with tinges of the right in FG in some areas. We have a few loony left but of little consequence.

For someone that claims we don't do right and left you come out with claptrap about FG being right wing.
The last time they were right wing in any shape or form Alice Glenn was knocking about.
They are pro welfare state, so pro social liberalism they have a gay guy as leader, and ended up bringing in same sex marriage and abortion.

Sinn fein have more staunch socially right wingers than FG at this stage.

super_furry · 22-01-2020 3:25pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You're the one who was going on about the importance of choice earlier in the thread.

What you really mean is there needs to be more choices that suit you though, right?

Yeah but clearly not THAT kind of choice, more their kind of choice, which ironically takes away other peoples choice.

Tis gas.

briany · 22-01-2020 3:29pm

Why does it feel like 9 out of 10 recent reg's on Boards are mad right-wing heads?

jimgoose · 22-01-2020 3:29pm

jmayo wrote: »

...But we do not want that good old catholic church moralistic two faced society...

jmayo wrote: »

...so pro social liberalism they have a gay guy as leader, and ended up bringing in same sex marriage and abortion...

<HARRUMPH>

Mad_maxx · 22-01-2020 3:29pm

All of the parties are currently trying to outdo each other in trying to convince the electorate that they will spend the most if elected

RTE will frown at whichever party appears to be prioritising tax cuts over spending increases

The narative which has been created is that the more you spend, the more virtuous you are.

We have an air tight left wing default narative when it comes to public discourse in this country on every subject, notice the reaction to the murder of that thug in drogheda

"crime is due to disadvantage"

On the topic of opposition to DP centres

"we must be vigilant against the far right"

Every single national issue is framed in a rock solid ideological left wing manner and every single political party adheres to the prevailing creed

No single event demonstrated this more than the reaction to Peter casey, he made utterly ordinary comments about a sacred cow and the media and political class tripped over themselves to express condemnation.

Lonesomerhodes · 22-01-2020 3:32pm

jimgoose wrote: »

He's yet another one of those strange people who seem to have gotten it into their heads that "RIght Wing" has something to do with the Roman Catholic church and it's weird obsession with women and sex.

Away with the fairies ya are pal.

No one mentioned the Roman Catholic Church except you!. :rolleyes:

jimgoose · 22-01-2020 3:33pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Away with the fairies ya are pal.

No one mentioned the Roman Catholic Church except you!. :rolleyes:

Are you not the one wittering on about life being sacred? Pal??

Mad_maxx · 22-01-2020 3:36pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Actually that's a populist policy, not particularly left wing. Left would offer you social housing, they tend not to be particularly forgiving about private debts. Anyway it's only one policy.

I think op wants a big party to match his views. At the moment there is no market for it, you need critical mass of people and those policies don't have it.

It's a left wing populist position, either way, that's why interest rates here are higher

We also don't evict local authority tenants who don't bother paying rent, thirty million is currently outstanding

That's another left wing position

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 22-01-2020 3:46pm

You all must be very happy with the current government given none of you want actual change... by all means vote for FF, FG, SF, Greens and NOTHING will change.

The Nal · 22-01-2020 3:48pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

You all must be very happy with the current government given none of you want actual change... by all means vote for FF, FG, SF, Greens and NOTHING will change.

Whats on offer elsewhere? The country is at full employment.

None of the loony left or the loony right have an economic policy. Just vague ideas that can't be paid for or implemented.

Lonesomerhodes · 22-01-2020 4:03pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

You all must be very happy with the current government given none of you want actual change... by all means vote for FF, FG, SF, Greens and NOTHING will change.

Good point, nothing will change.

We need a decent right party in government who will redirect the billions and billions spent on direct provision back to homeless Irish and hospitals.

Otherwise expect the housing crisis to get 10 times worse!

is_that_so · 22-01-2020 4:06pm

Somedaythefire wrote: »

All only followed through with because of public opinion. They’re still centre-right parties, regardless.

Not opinions, votes. Referenda have been rejected. Not welfare either, that has universal commitment, The only difference is what parties want to spend on it.

Das Reich · 22-01-2020 4:09pm

There is no right of left wing party in Ireland, not that bad at all at least no risk of socialism.

is_that_so · 22-01-2020 4:09pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Good point, nothing will change.

We need a decent right party in government who will redirect the billions and billions spent on direct provision back to homeless Irish and hospitals.

Otherwise expect the housing crisis to get 10 times worse!

€1.3bn over 20 years. The HSE ask for nearly that amount every year when it blows its budget. I guess you're looking for a single issue party, they didn't do well- e.g. Renua.

Idbatterim · 22-01-2020 4:20pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

All of the parties are currently trying to outdo each other in trying to convince the electorate that they will spend the most if elected

RTE will frown at whichever party appears to be prioritising tax cuts over spending increases

The narative which has been created is that the more you spend, the more virtuous you are.

We have an air tight left wing default narative when it comes to public discourse in this country on every subject, notice the reaction to the murder of that thug in drogheda

"crime is due to disadvantage"

On the topic of opposition to DP centres

"we must be vigilant against the far right"

Every single national issue is framed in a rock solid ideological left wing manner and every single political party adheres to the prevailing creed

No single event demonstrated this more than the reaction to Peter casey, he made utterly ordinary comments about a sacred cow and the media and political class tripped over themselves to express condemnation.

yeah! and he went from nearly zero percent to 23% vote! By speaking the truth! That is why none of the current parties, that arent FF or FG here will achieve nothing, if they are competing on the platform of more of the same ****, which they are, to hell with them! We need a new party, even one headed by casey ideally, because of the amount of exposure he would be given. He has a lot of faults, the he would give those of us that want it, a protest vote. Him speaking the truth, makes him stand out from every other candidate!

mariaalice · 22-01-2020 4:25pm

There is a huge difference between pandering and policies.

mariaalice · 22-01-2020 4:25pm

There is a huge difference between pandering and policies.

MrMusician18 · 22-01-2020 4:25pm

Ireland is rather unusual politically really. Usually the most nationalist parties are of the right, but here they've always been left, and hard left at that.

The reason there's no right wing parties is that theres no market for them - any good or popular ideas get taken by the two large parties. That, and they tend to be run by people who largely are cranks.

The last respectable right wing party was the Progressive Democrats, and they ended up becoming an irrelevance.

finjoe · 22-01-2020 4:29pm

super_furry wrote: »

There's no demand. It's been tried down the years - and is still being tried now - from Renua to Libertas to Anontú, people don't want to vote for these cranks.

typical seasoned voter syndrome there Ide nearly guess.., if its anything other than FF/FG/Labour insults are thrown..where as if we were a propper country Fianna Fail wouldnt be in existence now after selling us out to save the banks/Euro and indeed Ide go as far as to say the EU at the time...Fair play to those who do go and try and set up a new party, it certainly not easy done in this country when the minute you go against the status quo you are labelled looney lefts and cranks...unless we dont vote radically different, and yes we will have to take a leap of faith, how can we know exactly how things will turn out until they are in power...remember, listening to the current mainstream parties over the last week its all "plans going forward"..."WILL be rolled out by 2025"...WILL give 50m to this and 100m to the other"..yet as we know often none or only a fraction is always given when the time comes..But apparently it ok for them to make promises and not deliver, if a new party comes onstream, and states its plans, the mainstream media and existing parties will tell them their figures dont add up and we are all to accept that then as the surely the older parties are honest:(

Ime voting for one of the way lesser parties this time, I have nothing to loose, if I have to pay a bit of extra tax BUT can get a doctors appointment when I want it, NOT in 3 or 4 days time, I will pay it...What I dont want to continue is paying tax after tax into a black hole to keep our banks and econonomy afloat, on a moderate wage, yet politicians are on excessive amounts but apparently there arent enough of them to bother slashing their salaries and pensions...that is a non argument, if everyone else has to take a hit so have they and not pro rata either...2.5K a year of reduction of a salary say €100k(before expenses I might add) is not the equivalent of docking 800 per annum out of a salary of say 30K...the person left on €97.5K still has a very very good salary and the deduction would scarecely be missed (its up the TD if has multiple properties to maintain/kids in private colleges etc) The person left of 29,200 will definitely miss his reduction and wont have the multiple properties and private colleges etc...so that argument needs to be buried every time it is brought up...Go vote for same parties again, but dont expect change, at least if we all try, we might get some change..if we dont like it, we can always go back...CHANGE is needed...

Lonesomerhodes · 22-01-2020 4:29pm

is_that_so wrote: »

€1.3bn over 20 years. The HSE ask for nearly that amount every year when it blows its budget. I guess you're looking for a single issue party, they didn't do well- e.g. Renua.

You get that figure from the Irish times?. That's a figure on what was spent already and was a VERY conservative figure runs well into the billions now.

Let's say it was 1.3 billion for arguments sake.

How many houses that build or jobs that create for Irish citizens?.

Hell you could buy the lads sleeping rough in Dublin city mansions in Foxrock for that kinda money let alone the billions more spent on direct provision!.

Why is the government housing folk from the middle East over Irish citizens?.

Genuine question.

meeeeh · 22-01-2020 4:33pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

yeah! and he went from nearly zero percent to 23% vote! By speaking the truth! That is why none of the current parties, that arent FF or FG here will achieve nothing, if they are competing on the platform of more of the same ****, which they are, to hell with them! We need a new party, even one headed by casey ideally, because of the amount of exposure he would be given. He has a lot of faults, the he would give those of us that want it, a protest vote. Him speaking the truth, makes him stand out from every other candidate!

Peter Casey was the candidate who got traction against Michael D. It was protest vote against presidential coronation, his statements just got him attention. He lost in European Elections and he will loose in this election (I think he is running in Leo's constituency).

meeeeh · 22-01-2020 4:42pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

It's a left wing populist position, either way, that's why interest rates here are higher

We also don't evict local authority tenants who don't bother paying rent, thirty million is currently outstanding

That's another left wing position

Left wing position would be more social housing provided by state not offloaded to the private sector and charities. Similar health which is often provided privately for profit or some by charities. I grew up in left wing country, none of the main parties in Ireland are overly left wing. Maybe some of the loony left. It's absolutely ridiculous to claim Irish housing policy is left wing. Maybe if you are one of American Evangelicals but anyone from continental Europe will tell you there is very little on the left in Ireland.

Loafing Oaf · 22-01-2020 4:43pm

meeeeh wrote: »

he will loose in this election (I think he is running in Leo's constituency).

Well he certainly won't be getting in there but he is also running in Donegal where he might have an outside chance

No right wing alternative= No alternative

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