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  • #202
    i71jskz5xu42pb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭i71jskz5xu42pb


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i would love to think he didn't get re-elected, but i guess i'm not naive enough to expect that.

    7 seats and he's currently in 5th, he'll get in.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/results/#/local/dublin-city/north-inner-city

    Some of the councillors caught up in the Prime Time fake wind farm corruption sting will top the poll in their areas - there's no accounting for people's voting.


  • #203
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Was one of them Queenan? For Heaven's sake, he explained all that. He was distracted by chocolate digestives and cleavage!


  • #204
    Lambay island
    Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    DavyD_83 wrote: »
    Thanks for the response, does seem like it's party voting really then.
    I've already taken a dislike to Saul and Richmond (wish I could remember why).
    My wife seemed impressed after talking to Dowling at the door, but all literature seems to be assumed at climate change which I feel it's a 'bigger than council' issue. The most sensible flyer I've seen was from Grainger (FG), but turns out she's not in my area.

    Cheers anyway, I'll probably go green, independents and labor really.
    And then prob rate the rest by how genuine to smug they look on their pictures. That's some solid political analysis right there.
    Oh, and good knows who I'll vote for in Europe.


    If not the mandatory helmet stance , he seems to also want us to rejoin the commonwealth. Once had a 'lovely' email exchange with him where he belives he is correct in posting his leaflets in my letterbox despite me having Addressed mail only clearly labelled. An absolute melt that fella.


  • #205
    Lambay island
    Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    And this nice gent is local to me;


    https://twitter.com/Riggleberry/status/1113915050559983624




    Looks like this chap will finish either last or next to last. Spectacular own goal :D


  • #206
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Tell your political pals to fund active travel.


  • #207
    Rechuchote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    Lambay island wrote: »
    If not the mandatory helmet stance , he seems to also want us to rejoin the commonwealth. Once had a 'lovely' email exchange with him where he belives he is correct in posting his leaflets in my letterbox despite me having Addressed mail only clearly labelled. An absolute melt that fella.

    Ireland was never in the British Commonwealth.


  • #208
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Rechuchote wrote: »
    Ireland was never in the British Commonwealth.


    It was a Dominion in 1926 when
    Britain and its dominions agreed they were "equal in status, in no way subordinate one to another in any aspect of their domestic or external affairs, though united by common allegiance to the Crown, and freely associated as members of the British Commonwealth of Nations". The term "Commonwealth" was officially adopted to describe the community.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations#Origins_of_the_concept_and_establishment_of_the_term

    Ireland never really participated, but the UK and the other Dominions officially regarded Irish people as British subjects until the Republic of Ireland Act.

    So I read recently anyway.


  • #209
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    This was the thing I was reading. It seems pretty careful to be accurate, but I'm no expert:
    https://www.statelessness.eu/blog/irish-british-subjects-living-reminder-inter-linked-history-between-uk-and-ireland
    Further, the UK position was that, outside the territory of the Irish Free State, the position of persons belonging to it was that they were (solely) British subjects, that is that they possessed British nationality, of which Irish Free State citizenship was but a local, territorial expression. In other words, for the purposes of international law, the UK did not consider that Irish Free State citizenship was a true nationality.

    (They regarded Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, South African the same way)


  • #210
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    But since there's no longer a Dominion status to go back to, we'd have to join the Commonwealth of Nations, rather than re-join the British Commonwealth. So the "re-join" framing is wrong, I guess.


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  • #211
    Rechuchote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    It was a Dominion in 1926

    If I'm remembering history correctly, De Valera applied to join the Commonwealth and was indignantly refused; however, when India shucked off the empire's shackles a few years later it was sleeveenly invited to join.


  • #212
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    This isn't strictly about cycling, but does relate to one of the candidates previously mentioned: what would happen if Ciaran Cuffe was elected to the council as well as being elected MEP?

    I presume that you can't have more than one mandate; would the seat then go to the candidate with the next highest number of votes? (I presume also that you can't name a substitute for the seat to go to, as is the case for MEPs).


  • #213
    Rechuchote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    This isn't strictly about cycling, but does relate to one of the candidates previously mentioned: what would happen if Ciaran Cuffe was elected to the council as well as being elected MEP?

    I presume that you can't have more than one mandate; would the seat then go to the candidate with the next highest number of votes? (I presume also that you can't name a substitute for the seat to go to, as is the case for MEPs).

    You can name a sub. Not very democratic, but you can. And you don't even have to list your subs before you're elected, though most people do.


  • #214
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,488 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Rechuchote wrote: »
    You can name a sub. Not very democratic, but you can. And you don't even have to list your subs before you're elected, though most people do.
    For the Council seat, you don't name the sub in advance. It's actually in control of the Party to identify the replacement, not the individual Councillor. Some parties have a democratic process to appoint the replacement candidate, others do a head office decision.


  • #215
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's one candidate who ran in two areas (i.e. for two council seats) and looks set to be elected in both.


  • #216
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    jd wrote: »
    Unfortunately no. He lost half his base when the LEAs were re-drawn.
    https://twitter.com/patmontague/status/1132681454436179970


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  • #217
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Rechuchote wrote: »
    If I'm remembering history correctly, De Valera applied to join the Commonwealth and was indignantly refused; however, when India shucked off the empire's shackles a few years later it was sleeveenly invited to join.

    Ireland was definitely in what was then called the Commonwealth pretty much by default, because of the Dominion status. They didn't participate in any meaningful way after the early 30s, as far as I know.

    When the Republic of Ireland was declared in the late 40s, that meant Ireland was de facto no longer a dominion and therefore no longer a member (Ireland didn't actually consider itself a member leading up to the declaration anyway apparently) but shortly after the Commonwealth of Nations was set up by the London Declaration. Ireland could have joined that (other republics such as India did), but it never did.


  • #218
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Budawanny wrote: »
    Rebecca Moynihan in DCC voted for the Clontarf cycle route.
    https://counciltracker.ie is a handy place to see who voted for what.

    That's a great link. Is there anything like that available for sdcc?


  • #219
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Rechuchote wrote: »
    You can name a sub. Not very democratic, but you can. And you don't even have to list your subs before you're elected, though most people do.


    Interesting... I'd say there is a bit of a jostling for position in the Green Party at the minute, one or two council seats could be unexpectedly looking for subs.


  • #220
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Mannix Flynn back in, I think.


  • #221
    jd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭jd


    Mare Sherlock confirmed in
    https://twitter.com/labour/status/1133057669210808323


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  • #222
    magicbastarder
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Mannix Flynn back in, I think.
    he's still got a flair for whatever it is mannix flynn is flairy at.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mannix-flynn-compares-people-before-profit-supporters-to-isis-and-the-taliban-1.3905634


  • #223
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    he's still got a flair for whatever it is mannix flynn is flairy at.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mannix-flynn-compares-people-before-profit-supporters-to-isis-and-the-taliban-1.3905634

    He's gas. Even though he got elected, he whines. Then he talks about a better city when he seems to have a policy of voting down most things that make the city better. I really don't know how anyone votes for him.


  • #224
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    He's gas. Even though he got elected, he whines. Then he talks about a better city when he seems to have a policy of voting down most things that make the city better. I really don't know how anyone votes for him.
    Presumably most voters don't read up on the candidates policies and views


  • #225
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Presumably most voters don't read up on the candidates policies and views

    And, yet, some voters have quite nuanced judgments:
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1132579730421669890


  • #226
    Rechuchote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    A little action asking for action…

    https://twitter.com/IBikeAlerts/status/1133656317648953344


  • #227
    Mercian Pro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Mercian Pro


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Presumably most voters don't read up on the candidates policies and views

    No real excuse this time as the Dublin Inquirer survey made it so easy. If candidates didn't bother participating, that told it's own story. Hopefully it will be archived so we can see who's actually walking the walk (or cycling the cyclepath) when it comes to Council debates and votes.


  • #228
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Mercian Pro wrote: »
    No real excuse this time as the Dublin Inquirer survey made it so easy.
    to be fair, they only did it for dublin city council candidates. i don't think there was such a resource country-wide.


  • #229
    Rechuchote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Rechuchote


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    to be fair, they only did it for dublin city council candidates. i don't think there was such a resource country-wide.

    It's a Dublin mag. It would be perfectly possible for people to replicate it for other councils.


  • #230
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    https://twitter.com/MayorMontague/status/1137102106580701184

    My wife's first comment was to wonder how they got the chain back off Nial Ring.


  • #231
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i sound very irish here; i don't have much truck with FF, but i've met yer man when he was out canvassing for a yes vote in the abortion referendum (i was trying to warn him away from calling into a neighbour of ours who is the parish priest) and he seems like a decent sort.

    not that he got my vote, mind.


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  • #232
    jd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭jd


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i sound very irish here; i don't have much truck with FF, but i've met yer man when he was out canvassing for a yes vote in the abortion referendum (i was trying to warn him away from calling into a neighbour of ours who is the parish priest) and he seems like a decent sort.

    not that he got my vote, mind.
    Paul is a decent chap, and works damn hard (I'm not a FFer). He's willing to take risks too.


  • #233
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MayorMontague/status/1137102106580701184

    My wife's first comment was to wonder how they got the chain back off Nial Ring.

    482221.jpeg


  • #234
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    so, has anyone addressed cycling with any candidates calling to the door?

    i've only had one canvasser (socdem) and we ended up discussing other things.


  • #235
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Waiting patiently. I do have bigger fish to fry as to the whole N11 corridor commuting clusterf*ck (PT/ Park and Ride/ alternative cycle routes or greenways), but any cyclists that use the N11 Bray to Kilmac to access Wicklow either commuting or on spins should be raising cyclists safety during the construction phase of the parallel relief road.


  • #236
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    I haven't spoken to anybody as yet this time (am in DBN) but have previously spoken to Aodhan O'Riordain about it and highlighted the value of quality segregated infrastructure, comparing the S2S as far as Fairview with the remaining route into town in terms of safety.

    Iirc he said his wife cycles and he was strongly supportive of improved infrastructure and protection for cyclists. He was canvassing at the time for a council candidate who cycles to work himself so the conversation was light on persuasion tbh.


  • #237
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,455 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    jeez you do know green issues are about tax raising not providing cycling infrastructure

    /Cynic

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #238
    Ferris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Ferris


    mr spuckler wrote: »
    I haven't spoken to anybody as yet this time (am in DBN) but have previously spoken to Aodhan O'Riordain about it and highlighted the value of quality segregated infrastructure, comparing the S2S as far as Fairview with the remaining route into town in terms of safety.

    Iirc he said his wife cycles and he was strongly supportive of improved infrastructure and protection for cyclists. He was canvassing at the time for a council candidate who cycles to work himself so the conversation was light on persuasion tbh.

    I could be wrong but the labour councillors (along with FFG) in Fingal Coco voted down the use of CPO's to provide a cycleway connecting the new Baldoyle cycleway out to Swords because they were afraid of losing votes. It sould be something to put to them - now it was Cian O'Callahan (SocDem candidate) who told me this but he was for the proposal iirc.


  • #239
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    Ferris wrote: »
    I could be wrong but the labour councillors (along with FFG) in Fingal Coco voted down the use of CPO's to provide a cycleway connecting the new Baldoyle cycleway out to Swords because they were afraid of losing votes. It sould be something to put to them - now it was Cian O'Callahan (SocDem candidate) who told me this but he was for the proposal iirc.

    It definitely should if true!


  • #240
    Weepsie
    Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Noel Rock and Roisin Shorthall came to my door when I wasn't in. He is claiming credit for things that resident in the neighbourhood had all the credit for, and I'm scratching my head how he was ever voted in. He's also a year younger than me, and I think he looks at least 10-15 years older.

    Candidates in this area aint much to shout about to be honest. I see 2 being returned again (a convicted terrorist being one I believe) and Shorthall, and then it's a toss up between McAuliffe and Rock. Career politicians

    McAuliffe has also definitely had some image consultancy done, probably at behest of the party.

    Montague is a popular person, but don't see him getting in.


    I'm still registed in Leo's consituency however, and will just be sure to not vote for him or Chambers


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  • #241
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Just waiting to see which if any of my local candidates owns up to building the ridiculous new roundabout in Scholarstown which has brought local traffic to a standstill and made an otherwise pleasant cycle far more dodgy. Apparently it is suppose to be a piece of cycling infrastructure too. The lads from "Dumb and Dumber" could have come up with a better design.


  • #242
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,488 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    smacl wrote: »
    Just waiting to see which if any of my local candidates owns up to building the ridiculous new roundabout in Scholarstown which has brought local traffic to a standstill and made an otherwise pleasant cycle far more dodgy. Apparently it is suppose to be a piece of cycling infrastructure too. The lads from "Dumb and Dumber" could have come up with a better design.
    Really a local Council issue rather than a national issue.


  • #243
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,345 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Really a local Council issue rather than a national issue.
    ...and so probably spearheaded by a TD :rolleyes:


  • #244
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Noel Rock ... came to my door
    huh, that means he probably called to us too and i missed him. i was hoping to talk to him, had heard he was personally decent but i wanted to give an FGer a few thoughts that have been rattling round in my head.


  • #245
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Specific issues may be councillor/ county council issue. However, they are indicative of the wider lack of, and design of what is provided, cycling provision. There is also the fact that councillors are normally accompanying the TD's and/ or the canvasses are also active party members that support the councillors.

    One of my "National" questions is the need for a truly independent Greater Dublin/ Leinster Transport Authority that has the budget and power to just make (unpopular) decisions for the greater good without being answerable for every minor thing. Government sets the remit, and then goes hands off. Ideally with cross party support - Sláintecare for transport, with cycling as part of the plan.


  • #246
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Weepsie wrote: »
    I'm still registed in Leo's consituency however, and will just be sure to not vote for him or Chambers

    Roderic O'Gorman is brilliant in that constituency, and has been active around cycling issues.


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  • #247
    joycer
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭joycer


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Noel Rock and Roisin Shorthall came to my door when I wasn't in. He is claiming credit for things that resident in the neighbourhood had all the credit for, and I'm scratching my head how he was ever voted in. He's also a year younger than me, and I think he looks at least 10-15 years older.




    Yep, I noticed this too. We received a newletter from him recently and he claimed credit for something that had nothing to do with him.


  • #248
    Weepsie
    Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Roderic O'Gorman is brilliant in that constituency, and has been active around cycling issues.

    I'm fairly sure he got my vote before.

    Growing up I never appreciated Joe Higgins to be honest. He was not a champagne socialist like those we have now. He was as honest a politician I think, as the area had, and though he did things parishy like the rest, they were generally for the greater good, are least seemed to be. He'd certainly be more extreme than I ever would, but still, he was resolute in his belief whiich I respect


  • #249
    Wishbone Ash
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    Close pass from a Darragh O'Brien liveried car this morning (FF TD, Dublin Fingal). :mad:


  • #250
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Weepsie wrote: »
    I'm fairly sure he got my vote before.

    Growing up I never appreciated Joe Higgins to be honest. He was not a champagne socialist like those we have now. He was as honest a politician I think, as the area had, and though he did things parishy like the rest, they were generally for the greater good, are least seemed to be. He'd certainly be more extreme than I ever would, but still, he was resolute in his belief whiich I respect

    I voted for Joe a few times in the past but went cold on him and others of his ilk after I realised that there was a certain amount of cynicism/opportunism to his party an their ilk (Socialisty Party, PBP etc.). They say they are socialists, but they've made most of their electoral gains from middle class people who don't want to pay more tax. He got elected on the back of bin charges. Then it was property tax and then on to water charges.

    I realised they're as bad as Fianna Fail in the Bertie years, peddling the lie that you can have generous public services with none of the tax burden.


  • #251
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Really a local Council issue rather than a national issue.

    Don't think it was in this case. From what I gather it was foisted upon us by John Lahart who is a local candidate in our area.


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