Culchie young wans aping the D4 accent

Vita nova · 08-02-2019 10:18am

Ush1 wrote: »

Get up the yard, yer all culchies to us.

For your own sake I suggest you lose the siege mentality and fortunately not all Dubliners think like you.

Dakota Dan · 08-02-2019 10:49am

Vita nova wrote: »

For your own sake I suggest you lose the siege mentality and fortunately not all Dubliners think like you.

The Dubs that do think like him have an inferiority complex going on and try to justify themselves by trying to make themselves feel more important than the majority. It’s just pure childish behavior.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-02-2019 11:20am

swarlb wrote: »

What's a 'bogger' then ?

Somebody from the Midlands.

Ush1 · 08-02-2019 11:31am

John_Rambo wrote: »

No, you misread my post. Read it again, and if you still don’t understand it like everyone else I’ll go in to further detail for you.

What did I misread? You replied to a post referencing someone from Dublin putting on a country accent.

You didn't mention where the cars were being sold or who was selling them hence I'm looking for clarification.

Ush1 · 08-02-2019 11:32am

Vita nova wrote: »

For your own sake I suggest you lose the siege mentality and fortunately not all Dubliners think like you.

What siege mentality? I'm just telling it how it is.

Ush1 · 08-02-2019 11:35am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

The Dubs that do think like him have an inferiority complex going on and try to justify themselves by trying to make themselves feel more important than the majority. It’s just pure childish behavior.

There's no inferiority complex. It's just the way the vast majority of Dubs would reference people from outside of Dublin, apart from Nordies.

If I'm describing someone to another Dub and say they have a culchie accent, they know that's anywhere outside of Dublin. Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Kildare, etc...

Vita nova · 08-02-2019 12:25pm

Ush1 wrote: »

What did I misread? You replied to a post referencing someone from Dublin putting on a country accent.

You didn't mention where the cars were being sold or who was selling them hence I'm looking for clarification.

If you can't understand what he meant then maybe that explains some of your posts in this thread - try harder!

Ush1 wrote: »

What siege mentality? I'm just telling it how it is.

Lumping everyone outside Dublin into one category and using a pejorative label for them, and seeing everything through a 'them and us' perspective.

Ush1 wrote: »

There's no inferiority complex. It's just the way the vast majority of Dubs would reference people from outside of Dublin, apart from Nordies.

If I'm describing someone to another Dub and say they have a culchie accent, they know that's anywhere outside of Dublin. Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Kildare, etc...

No, that's the language of a narrow-minded insecure individual. Most Dubliners that I know would simply refer to a non Dublin accent as a non Dublin accent. RTE would also use that formulation or non Irish/local if the accent was from abroad.

centralchill · 08-02-2019 12:26pm

Foster Rapping Optometrist wrote: »

My accent neutralised is just another way of saying "when I moved to Dublin I sold out"

I sold out? you must be joking pal, you can take the man out of mayo, but you can't take the mayo out of a man.

Hector Savage · 08-02-2019 12:28pm

As said, nothing new, I was in secondery school in 1997 doing my leaving and this was about then too.
The funny thing is though, I have a sister in law from Kilkenny, cousin from Meath, cousin from Dublin, cousing from Longford.
And the girls all speak in exactly the same accent.
The brothers though, have very different accents.

hmmmmm

Ush1 · 08-02-2019 12:31pm

Vita nova wrote: »

If you can't understand what he meant then maybe that explains some of your posts in this thread - try harder!

Go ahead, enlighten me so. Should be interesting in light of this "siege mentality" you referenced.

Vita nova wrote: »

Lumping everyone outside Dublin into one category and using a pejorative label for them, and seeing everything through a 'them and us' perspective.

Who said it was pejorative? I'm saying its reality.

Vita nova wrote: »

No, that's the language of a narrow-minded insecure individual. Most Dubliners that I know would simply refer to a non Dublin accent as a non Dublin accent. RTE would also use that formulation or non Irish/local if the accent was from abroad.

How partisan and such "siege mentality" on show.:rolleyes:

You can do all the mental gymnastics you like, the fact remains that if I used the term culchie accent, they would know exactly what I meant. The fact you take offence to the term is irrelevant to how its common parlance and has a widely understood meaning.

John_Rambo · 08-02-2019 12:41pm

Ush1 wrote: »

What did I misread? You replied to a post referencing someone from Dublin putting on a country accent.

You didn't mention where the cars were being sold or who was selling them hence I'm looking for clarification.

You, and everyone else on the thread knows exactly what I meant. Stop being truculent.

bullpost · 08-02-2019 12:45pm

I was on a Dart recently listening to a few American girls talking. It took me a good while to cop that they were in fact from Dublin. Whats this thing with aping American accents?

centralchill · 08-02-2019 12:47pm

bullpost wrote: »

I was on a Dart recently listening to a few American girls talking. It took me a good while to cop that they were in fact from Dublin. Whats this thing with aping American accents?

From watching American TV Shows on Netflix.

Vita nova · 08-02-2019 12:49pm

Ush1 wrote: »

....

I've presented my case perhaps more than anyone else in this thread, and it's obvious you're not for changing, so I'll leave you to your beliefs and just hope that you change them at some time in the future.

Gazzmonkey · 08-02-2019 12:52pm

Perifect wrote: »

Now we're all laughing at Dubs who are the real culchies who think they're not!

Exactly.. its hilarious

schemingbohemia · 08-02-2019 1:01pm

Should this not be in After Hours?

Dakota Dan · 08-02-2019 1:09pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Somebody from the Midlands.

Living on wettish land.

ongarboy · 08-02-2019 1:16pm

Personally, if someone is that bothered by how someone else speaks or their accent, it says more about the person being bothered than the person with the supposedly put on accent. I can't help but think someone must have an inferiority complex if they are annoyed by someone else speaking in a more cultured or seemingly put on accent. If you feel they think they are somehow better than you because they talk "posher", then that sound more like projection of your own inferiority complex.

FYI - David Norris or other similar sounding Irish people are not putting on an accent. That is exactly how he and a certain cohort of Irish people speak and is known as an Anglo Irish accent. See more information on it below. You or I would speak similarly if we were brought up in the same environment/surroundings/families where that accent was spoken.

http://dialectblog.com/2011/02/02/dublin-a-tale-of-two-accents/

I'm a culchie and proud of it but I now live in Dublin. Therefore if a Dub calls me a culchie, I take it as a compliment....however if I was ashamed or felt inferior about being a culchie, then of course I'd take offence with being called one.....as quite a few on here seem to be, based on their responses/reactions/defensiveness....Same goes for Dubs or other urbanites who spout superiority through name-calling (if you are comfortable in your own skins, you don't need to resort to belittling others)

Dakota Dan · 08-02-2019 1:19pm

centralchill wrote: »

From watching American TV Shows on Netflix.

Nonsense plenty American tv shows on since Rte began and no one ever developed an American accent from them. It’s just put on.

Ush1 · 08-02-2019 1:20pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

You, and everyone else on the thread knows exactly what I meant. Stop being truculent.

I'm being truculent? I asked for clarification for what you meant. A minute ago you said you were going to explain your post to me?

So was your post hinting that country people don't trust Dubs? I'm afraid I didn't know exactly what you meant, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.

Ush1 · 08-02-2019 1:24pm

Vita nova wrote: »

I've presented my case perhaps more than anyone else in this thread, and it's obvious you're not for changing, so I'll leave you to your beliefs and just hope that you change them at some time in the future.

What are the beliefs I should change? That the word culchie refers to someone from outside of Dublin? I will find it hard to make that word mean anything else when I hear it to be honest.

Dakota Dan · 08-02-2019 1:24pm

ongarboy wrote: »

Personally, if someone is that bothered by how someone else speaks or their accent, it says more about the person being bothered than the person with the supposedly put on accent. I can't help but think someone must have an inferiority complex if they are annoyed by someone else speaking in a more cultured or seemingly put on accent. If you feel they think they are somehow better than you because they talk "posher", then that sound more like projection of your own inferiority complex.

FYI - David Norris or other similar sounding Irish people are not putting on an accent. That is exactly how he and a certain cohort of Irish people speak and is known as an Anglo Irish accent. See more information on it below. You or I would speak similarly if we were brought up in the same environment/surroundings/families where that accent was spoken.

http://dialectblog.com/2011/02/02/dublin-a-tale-of-two-accents/

I'm a culchie and proud of it but I now live in Dublin. Therefore if a Dub calls me a culchie, I take it as a compliment....however if I was ashamed or felt inferior about being a culchie, then of course I'd take offence with being called one.....as quite a few on here seem to be, based on their responses/reactions/defensiveness....Same goes for Dubs or other urbanites who spout superiority through name-calling (if you are comfortable in your own skins, you don't need to resort to belittling others)

Actually it’s the opposite if someone changes their accent because they are ashamed of their original accent they are the ones with the inferiority complex.

vicwatson · 08-02-2019 1:25pm

Squall Leonhart wrote: »

It's not new. This has been going on for many a year.

Correct, going on since at least 1990, listening to too much RTE

centralchill · 08-02-2019 1:27pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Nonsense plenty American tv shows on since Rte began and no one ever developed an American accent from them. It’s just put on.

Yeah I know it's put on that's obvious.

I was just using Netflix as an example, American Culture as a whole has a huge influence on us, that's the reason why they choose that one.

There is a reason people don't speak in Australian accents after watching Neighbours or home and away on RTE.

Ush1 · 08-02-2019 1:29pm

ongarboy wrote: »

Personally, if someone is that bothered by how someone else speaks or their accent, it says more about the person being bothered than the person with the supposedly put on accent. I can't help but think someone must have an inferiority complex if they are annoyed by someone else speaking in a more cultured or seemingly put on accent. If you feel they think they are somehow better than you because they talk "posher", then that sound more like projection of your own inferiority complex.

FYI - David Norris or other similar sounding Irish people are not putting on an accent. That is exactly how he and a certain cohort of Irish people speak and is known as an Anglo Irish accent. See more information on it below. You or I would speak similarly if we were brought up in the same environment/surroundings/families where that accent was spoken.

http://dialectblog.com/2011/02/02/dublin-a-tale-of-two-accents/

I'm a culchie and proud of it but I now live in Dublin. Therefore if a Dub calls me a culchie, I take it as a compliment....however if I was ashamed or felt inferior about being a culchie, then of course I'd take offence with being called one.....as quite a few on here seem to be, based on their responses/reactions/defensiveness....Same goes for Dubs or other urbanites who spout superiority through name-calling (if you are comfortable in your own skins, you don't need to resort to belittling others)

Agree with most of your post but I don't think people find it funny or annoying by how David Norris speaks as we know that's actually how he was raised and it's his "true" accent.

It's more people trying to disguise where they are from or have some weird hang-ups about it. Nothing wrong with being a culchie, both my parents are.

If I get called a jackeen in Cork it's no skin off my nose, I sure as f*ck won't be changing my accent to suit anybody while I'm down there.

cgcsb · 08-02-2019 1:30pm

This is a global cultural phenomenon and is as old as the hills. Globalisation and urbanisation is increasing the pace though.

John_Rambo · 08-02-2019 1:54pm

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm being truculent? I asked for clarification for what you meant. A minute ago you said you were going to explain your post to me?

So was your post hinting that country people don't trust Dubs? I'm afraid I didn't know exactly what you meant, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.

Ok. Yeah, a lot of rural people would view city people as untrustworthy. It’s a barstool attitude, but it prevails in media and in real life, New Yorkers, Londoners, Dubliners, Parisians etc… would be considered “shifty” or more likely to scam people by their rural country fellow.

Recently I was buying a particular vehicle. On occasions when I said I was from somewhere other than Dublin I felt I got a warmer reception and an eagerness to do business with than when I said I was from Dublin. On one occasion I was told by the seller that they’d rather not deal with Dubliners, but I seemed ok.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 08-02-2019 4:00pm

centralchill wrote: »

I sold out? you must be joking pal, you can take the man out of mayo, but you can't take the mayo out of a man.

and you can't get the Sam Maguire into Mayo no matter how hard you try.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 08-02-2019 4:02pm

serfboard wrote: »

It was in relation to David Norris' accent.

It was pointed out that David Norris' accent was posh. Malcom MacArthur, who had a similar kind of accent, had his described, by those who were seeking him for a murder, and who therefore would have had to be as accurate as possible, as "Upper-Class Dublin to English".

And what is an Upper-Class Dublin accent only a bastardisation of an Upper-Class English accent (and it's not just the Irish who do this - the Upper-Class Scots are the same).

And what is a D4 accent only a bastardisation of an American accent, caused by young children watching too many American television programmes.

That's the same thing as what I said. David Norris doesn't have a D4 accent.

centralchill · 08-02-2019 4:58pm

Foster Rapping Optometrist wrote: »

and you can't get the Sam Maguire into Mayo no matter how hard you try.

Sam Maguire? Who is that? I've never seen or heard of him before :P

Culchie young wans aping the D4 accent

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