Culchie young wans aping the D4 accent

DS86DS

WTF is up with this... I've noticed it more and more. Young women from the back of beyond down somewhere around Connemara.....they get a place on a UCD course, and all of a sudden the Healy Rae native dialects are dropped for a voiceover that would give Harry Enfield's 'Tim-nice-but-dim" character a run for his money.

Was having a cup of coffee earlier and noticed it. Two young wans chattering away. My sense of reasoning told me that these two young ladies where from the posher leafier parts of the Big Smoke.

But not at all.....talk of the home in Mayo come up. A tad confused I was.

Call me old fashioned, but I like my culchies to be humble and to consider a €20 note spent at Supermacs to be the height of sophistication.

What is with this new breed of pretensious culchie and all their airs and graces after a stint with Dublin university life?

Squall Leonhart

It's not new. This has been going on for many a year.

myshirt

Do you even know what a culchie is? And what a Jackeen is?

Without googling it.

DS86DS

myshirt wrote: »

Do you even know what a culchie is? And what a Jackeen is?

Without googling it.

Why wouldn't I

myshirt

DS86DS wrote: »

Why wouldn't I

What is it then? Without googling it.

Trekker09

Nobody in their right mind would fake a Dub accent, OP you need to get your ears seen to.

DS86DS

myshirt wrote: »

What is it then? Without googling it.

Googling what? I'm talking about firsthand experience.

DS86DS

Trekker09 wrote: »

Nobody in their right mind would fake a Dub accent, OP you need to get your ears seen to.

Not exactly talking about a Ronnie Drew sound-a-like.......... moreso the D4 toff impersonation variety.

Odyssey 2005

Your old fashioned.

salmocab

And when they do a J1 they’ll come back with an American accent, who cares.

myshirt

DS86DS wrote: »

Googling what? I'm talking about firsthand experience.

You're embarrassing yourself. And a lot of Dubs embarrass themselves when they use the word culchie not even knowing what it actually means.

What if I told you the most purebred culchies are actually Dubs. Did you know that?

I even had a look at Wikipedia of all places just there, just to make sure I wasn't being too hard on you on your own country's history. Right there at your fingertips, albeit with a couple of inaccuracies. Bit it's your own man Diarmuid Ferriter who can give you the history. So you're either an idiot, or you're not a true Dub yourself if you use it.

The origins of the word has a link to Irish people serveing rich English occupying Ireland. The word was used to mock the Irish for their pronounciation of back of the house "cul an ti", which is how Irish people had to enter an English persons house. Most of these Irish occupied (and still do) what is now the North Inner city but also parts of the South Inner city. A Dublin person is shocked to know that the most
purebred culchie is actually a Dub. It's correct that later into the development of the word when economic growth began emerging people came from the countryside to Dublin for work, and what developed was that some people got on well in their jobs and tried to disassociate themselves from their fellow Irish. These became known as Jackeens or "Little Jack's" in reference to the Union Jack. Like Roisin means little rose. The lucky Jackeens mostly lived in parts of South County Dublin and along the coast with their English friends, but there was infighting amongst the most ethnically Irish (North Inner City Dubs) and those who "betrayed" their own by taking an extra shilling off the English, and it's on the back of that you still see the terms remain ironically in the people themselves that it was inflicted upon.

I'm from Limerick City by the way, for disclosure. Probably still a culchie in the eyes of a Dub though.

sydthebeat

The D4 accent is fake put-on accent already, so if it's good enough for dubs it's good enough for culchies.

Trekker09

DS86DS wrote: »

Not exactly talking about a Ronnie Drew sound-a-like.......... moreso the D4 toff impersonation variety.

Ahh, roight

boombang

I laughed at two SCD students on their way home from the pub. They sounded like people trying to parody the D4 accent.

I dispair at the culchie young wan thing the OP mentions.

mmrs

Myshirt, your describing the origin of these words and their initial meaning. The beauty of language is it evolves over time. Any Dub, true or not, will tell you a culchie is anyone from outside of Dublin, excluding the Northies of course, they are their own special thing.

LincolnHawk

The history lesson above is pointless. A culchie is any Irish person not from Dublin

salmocab

LincolnHawk wrote: »

The history lesson above is pointless. A culchie is any Irish person not from Dublin

Except Nordies

LincolnHawk

Was thinking that myself when I wrote it. Are Nordies a subset or a separate entity. Need a Venn diagram

D3V!L

LincolnHawk wrote: »

The history lesson above is pointless. A culchie is any Irish person not from Dublin

and anyone that has a problem with it is probably a culchie anyway :pac:

myshirt

What do you call all the Dubs living in Naas, Johnstown Navan, Drogheda, Bray etc cos they can't afford to live in their own county? How do Dubs feel about the fact that economic growth in Dublin was mostly driven by Cork people, Kildare people, and those of English origin on Dublin coast?

When I moved to Dublin I always thought a culchie was someone outside Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway, i.e someone rural rural. Accept now that we're all culchies!

Just find it ironic that the most purebred culchie is actually a Dub, but it's the purebred culchie that uses the term the most. Language and meaning develops over time, it's interesting it developed this way. All I'm saying in conclusion is we are all Irish for fork sake. Bar Leitrim, I view us all on an equal footing.

But I guess it's a Dub thing, I wouldn't bleedin' gerrih!

Marengo

DS86DS wrote: »

WTF is up with this... I've noticed it more and more. Young women from the back of beyond down somewhere around Connemara.....they get a place on a UCD course, and all of a sudden the Healy Rae native dialects are dropped for a voiceover that would give Harry Enfield's 'Tim-nice-but-dim" character a run for his money.

Was having a cup of coffee earlier and noticed it. Two young wans chattering away. My sense of reasoning told me that these two young ladies where from the posher leafier parts of the Big Smoke.

But not at all.....talk of the home in Mayo come up. A tad confused I was.

Call me old fashioned, but I like my culchies to be humble and to consider a €20 note spent at Supermacs to be the height of sophistication.

What is with this new breed of pretensious culchie and all their airs and graces after a stint with Dublin university life?

So what? It's in some way less annoying for Jackeens, D4 young wans?

Translation: I'm trolling and/or D4 city young wans are more sophisticated, important than country girls.

alchemist33

LincolnHawk wrote: »

Was thinking that myself when I wrote it. Are Nordies a subset or a separate entity. Need a Venn diagram

In NI, culchie refers to people from outside Belfast

myshirt

alchemist33 wrote: »

In NI, culchie refers to people from outside Belfast

It's the same history. Belfast was the richest part of Ireland for a long time, a lot of English houses needed cleaning by us inbred backward reprobate Irish. Belfast is nearly a basket case now in comparison to Dublin though.

SortingYouOut

Why in god's name would someone want to put on an accent like that marble in the mouth bollocks, it's the most put on voice and it's now generational, so it's a real accent now.

South Dubliners didn't sound like that in the 60's, where did it come from at all?

salmocab

myshirt wrote: »

What do you call all the Dubs living in Naas, Johnstown Navan, Drogheda, Bray etc cos they can't afford to live in their own county? How do Dubs feel about the fact that economic growth in Dublin was mostly driven by Cork people, Kildare people, and those of English origin on Dublin coast?

When I moved to Dublin I always thought a culchie was someone outside Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway, i.e someone rural rural. Accept now that we're all culchies!

Just find it ironic that the most purebred culchie is actually a Dub, but it's the purebred culchie that uses the term the most. Language and meaning develops over time, it's interesting it developed this way. All I'm saying in conclusion is we are all Irish for fork sake. Bar Leitrim, I view us all on an equal footing.

But I guess it's a Dub thing, I wouldn't bleedin' gerrih!

The words use and meaning has moved on, it’s no big deal.
We’re not that bothered about the issues you have with us so you probably shouldn’t let it worry you.

ArrBee

would Rachel Allen be an example of these "young" wans putting on a posh accent?

Perifect

It's clear that the fact that the Dubs are both culchies and jackeens has hurt them badly. Now they can be referred to as culchie jacks!

salmocab

Perifect wrote: »

It's clear that the fact that the Dubs are both culchies and jackeens has hurt them badly. Now they can be referred to as culchie jacks!

Even the Jackeens thing has moved on with the like of the footballers being referred to as the Jacks and the ladies footballers as the Jackie’s. The language and it’s use evolves. Just like the N word has for lots of black Americans. I doubt too many people from outside Dublin are actually insulted by the word culchie. I know people who have say a brother married and living in places like Naas who refer to their nephews and nieces as the culchie cousins.

swarlb

What's a 'bogger' then ? A cross between a culchie and a jackeen ?
What is a person from Galway marries a person from Dublin, are their kids jackeens or culchies or boggers... or does it depend where they live...
Some accents are godamn awful sounding anyway, it's no wonder people want to mimic something different...
It's all so confusing...

Vita nova

LincolnHawk wrote: »

The history lesson above is pointless. A culchie is any Irish person not from Dublin

That's more of a Dubliner's definition and in fairness it's not all Dubliners'. A more general Irish definition is that it's a term for a rural dweller and would be regarded by many as pejorative especially when used by an urban dweller.

Some definitions of culchie:
Google: "an unsophisticated country person"
Oxford English Dictionary (OED): "one who lives in, or comes from, a rural area; a (simple) countryman (or woman), a provincial, a rustic"
Dicitionary.com: "a rough or unsophisticated country-dweller from outside Dublin"

Muckka

I know people who are from fairly backward places who have quite distinctive accents.
My cousin's live in Ballyheigue but they've quite easy listening accents.
Not very Kerry attal.

It's a strange place, on one hand you've people there sounding very eloquent, on the other it's bdann bdann yeramacka stitgiges pdendra schmachaa pederachakka smachakkkahh killacha bdderammahaa yekera belekkra....

I knew a guy from Ballyduff Jerry was his name, he had one of the most refined Irish accents I ever heard West of the Shannon...

He could understand yekkerah and English...

It's easy enough to understand Kerry yekkerah Clare Yekkerah and Glasgow Yekkerah any yekkerah

LincolnHawk

This is the Dublin City subforum. Google isn't the authority and the OED hasn't exactly got it's finger on the pulse of Dublin slang. Pat Rafter yeah

GAA Beo

The biggest "D4" snobs you'll ever meet are younger country women trying their best to hide their culchie roots and ascend social class into the D4 life. Which is why you will find many of them at or graduated from UCD or Trinners.

I have literally lost count of the amount arrogant D4 tools I've seen on RTE or Virgin Media, only to find when I googled them they were born and reared in Offaly, Cork or Mayo etc. Give me someone like David Norris any day. He is what he is and doesn't hide it. I actually like his accent, it was preferable to this California wannabe nonsense we must now endure.

VeryTerry

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Why in god's name would someone want to put on an accent like that marble in the mouth bollocks, it's the most put on voice and it's now generational, so it's a real accent now.

South Dubliners didn't sound like that in the 60's, where did it come from at all?

Most still don't.

SilverKrest

OP give them girls a break. If they spoke in there native accent around the likes of you their opening themselves up to ridicule also. They try to change their accent and you find a problem with that too. They cant win...

Vita nova

LincolnHawk wrote: »

This is the Dublin City subforum

It's open to people from outside Dublin, many of whom are living in Dublin city. Also, you didn't specify that your definition was an exclusively Dublin city one.

Google isn't the authority

Not "the authority" but nonetheless Google uses third party dictionary sources for their definitions.

OED hasn't exactly got it's finger on the pulse of Dublin slang

No, but it's presenting a general Irish definition as I specified.

Finally, I and many others dislike that term and I have very little time for those who use it to label any group irrespective of where they come from.

Dakota Dan

DS86DS wrote: »

WTF is up with this... I've noticed it more and more. Young women from the back of beyond down somewhere around Connemara.....they get a place on a UCD course, and all of a sudden the Healy Rae native dialects are dropped for a voiceover that would give Harry Enfield's 'Tim-nice-but-dim" character a run for his money.

Was having a cup of coffee earlier and noticed it. Two young wans chattering away. My sense of reasoning told me that these two young ladies where from the posher leafier parts of the Big Smoke.

But not at all.....talk of the home in Mayo come up. A tad confused I was.

Call me old fashioned, but I like my culchies to be humble and to consider a €20 note spent at Supermacs to be the height of sophistication.

What is with this new breed of pretensious culchie and all their airs and graces after a stint with Dublin university life?

So they are faking a fake accent, shock horror.

Dakota Dan

LincolnHawk wrote: »

The history lesson above is pointless. A culchie is any Irish person not from Dublin

I have to laugh at people in Cork city and other cities in Ireland who believe they are not culchies.

AndrewJRenko

GAA Beo wrote: »

Give me someone like David Norris any day. He is what he is and doesn't hide it. I actually like his accent, it was preferable to this California wannabe nonsense we must now endure.

Except when he tries to do the working class Dub accent. Jesus, that grates.

AllForIt

DS86DS wrote: »

But not at all.....talk of the home in Mayo come up. A tad confused I was.

The Mayo accent isn't anything like, let me think how to put this, as 'rich' as the Kerry accent so I think this might be the source of your confusion.

Dakota Dan

Anyone else think that the op must’ve been in a coma for 20 years and just came out if it?

magentis

GAA Beo wrote: »

The biggest "D4" snobs you'll ever meet are younger country women trying their best to hide their culchie roots and ascend social class into the D4 life. Which is why you will find many of them at or graduated from UCD or Trinners.

I have literally lost count of the amount arrogant D4 tools I've seen on RTE or Virgin Media, only to find when I googled them they were born and reared in Offaly, Cork or Mayo etc. Give me someone like David Norris any day. He is what he is and doesn't hide it. I actually like his accent, it was preferable to this California wannabe nonsense we must now endure.

Not one person from Cork would ever pretend to be from d4....ever.......

See what we have down here is worth a million d4's.

Perifect

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I have to laugh at people in Cork city and other cities in Ireland who believe they are not culchies.

Now we're all laughing at Dubs who are the real culchies who think they're not!

LimeFruitGum

Speaking as a long-term culchie transplant, I worked on neutering my accent because none of yiz understood me when I spoke:)

I had a strong Limerick City accent when I came up here 20-odd years ago, and I’m a fast speaker as well. It is tiring having to repeat yourself, and when you are surrounded by a particular accent or language all day, you will pick some of it up, whether you mean to or not.
If I moved to London, I’d have to get used to ‘alright mate’ and rhyming slang, why would moving to Dublin be any different.

I went on to work in IT support for a few years and I had to speak slowly, neutrally and clearly to customers. Most of my colleagues were foreign and here to improve their English, so I kept the phone voice with them for the most part.

I was never into the culchie circuit of Coppers or McGowans, and a lot of of my uni friends and boyfriends were Dubs. I hardly ever bump into anyone from Limerick up here. So most people don’t know I’m a big aul bogger unless they ask me where I am from. (Not that it matters but most Dubs have at least one culchie parent or grandparent somewhere. God forbid we will taint a Jackeen bloodline! )

v638sg7k1a92bx

GAA Beo wrote: »

Give me someone like David Norris any day. He is what he is and doesn't hide it. I actually like his accent, it was preferable to this California wannabe nonsense we must now endure.

David Norris doesn't have a D4 accent. He has a very well spoken or "posh" accent but the D4 accent is different and a recent phenomenon. It seems to have a strong co-relation to the rise in popularity of Rugby in Ireland within the last 20 years, my guess is that it morphed out of the private fee paying schools mainly in Dublin where they try and emulate the English middle to upper classes.

The D4 accent we have today, didn't exist 25 years ago.

myshirt

myshirt wrote: »

You're embarrassing yourself. And a lot of Dubs embarrass themselves when they use the word culchie not even knowing what it actually means.

What if I told you the most purebred culchies are actually Dubs. Did you know that?

I even had a look at Wikipedia of all places just there, just to make sure I wasn't being too hard on you on your own country's history. Right there at your fingertips, albeit with a couple of inaccuracies. Bit it's your own man Diarmuid Ferriter who can give you the history. So you're either an idiot, or you're not a true Dub yourself if you use it.

The origins of the word has a link to Irish people serveing rich English occupying Ireland. The word was used to mock the Irish for their pronounciation of back of the house "cul an ti", which is how Irish people had to enter an English persons house. Most of these Irish occupied (and still do) what is now the North Inner city but also parts of the South Inner city. A Dublin person is shocked to know that the most
purebred culchie is actually a Dub. It's correct that later into the development of the word when economic growth began emerging people came from the countryside to Dublin for work, and what developed was that some people got on well in their jobs and tried to disassociate themselves from their fellow Irish. These became known as Jackeens or "Little Jack's" in reference to the Union Jack. Like Roisin means little rose. The lucky Jackeens mostly lived in parts of South County Dublin and along the coast with their English friends, but there was infighting amongst the most ethnically Irish (North Inner City Dubs) and those who "betrayed" their own by taking an extra shilling off the English, and it's on the back of that you still see the terms remain ironically in the people themselves that it was inflicted upon.

I'm from Limerick City by the way, for disclosure. Probably still a culchie in the eyes of a Dub though.

[Citation needed]

Teyla Emmagan

On an unrelated note, my mother announced recently that she is not a Dub. She was born and raised in Clondalkin, but according to her own crazy rationale only people from the city centre are Dubs. Clondalkin, apparently, is the countryside.

There is no talking to her.

Teyla Emmagan

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

On an unrelated note, my mother announced recently that she is not a Dub. She was born and raised in Clondalkin, but according to her own crazy rationale only people from the city centre are Dubs. Clondalkin, apparently, is the countryside.

There is no talking to her.

I don't consider myself a "Dub" either. I'm from Dublin but that moniker is for people who are into GAA in my twisted mind.

Up the dubs and all that

circadian

alchemist33 wrote: »

In NI, culchie refers to people from outside Belfast

From Derry and never called a culchie by Belfasters. Have been called a mucker on many occasion, which makes sense.

IAMAMORON

I love it when muckers put on posh accents, it gets me going, soooooo sexy. Keep it up girls please.

On a similar note, I watched Saoirse Ronan on the Graham Norton last week. How a girl born in New York, brought up in Carlow via London and a private tutor, speaks like she chews gum on Pearse Street is simply beyond me. You would swear she is an actress or something like that.

v638sg7k1a92bx

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I love it when muckers put on posh accents, it gets me going, soooooo sexy. Keep it up girls please.

On a similar note, I watched Saoirse Ronan on the Graham Norton last week. How a girl born in New York, brought up in Carlow via London and a private tutor, speaks like she chews gum on Pearse Street is simply beyond me. You would swear she is an actress or something like that.

She might be like yourself and have some insecurity issues.