Calf price chitchat

orm0nd · 07-03-2021 4:30pm

whelan2 wrote: »

The last time I dealt with them I was waiting 3 weeks to get
Paid. The only way I got the money which wasn't a lot was to post on their Facebook page. Was paid that night. Calves dont leave the yard here now with out the money in my hand

A guy I buy heifer calves off has to have the money transferred into his account before before he does the movement or gives the calves.

He's a fair distance from here so I usually do the transfer a day or 2 before without seeing them.

Infairness the calves are always dead on and realistically priced.

thetiredfarmer · 07-03-2021 9:04pm

nhg wrote: »

We vaccinated 20 calves all around 4 weeks old with 1st shot of Bovipast RSP & 25ml of Vecoxan yesterday, for past number of years gave Bovilis IBR live inter nasally at same time but someone suggested not to bother unless we have IBR issues. Now wondering if we should have given the Bovilis IBR as well..... Dairy calf to beef system.

I give both here. I think when you are at it you may as well do the full job. The only reason I wouldn't bother would be if the Vet told me not to.I noticed a great improvement in the health of the calves since I started vaccinating 2 years ago.:)

nhg · 07-03-2021 10:15pm

thetiredfarmer wrote: »

I give both here. I think when you are at it you may as well do the full job. The only reason I wouldn't bother would be if the Vet told me not to.I noticed a great improvement in the health of the calves since I started vaccinating 2 years ago.:)

Do you just give to Bovilis IBR the once or do you follow with a booster at 3 months

thetiredfarmer · 07-03-2021 10:51pm

nhg wrote: »

Do you just give to Bovilis IBR the once or do you follow with a booster at 3 months

I follow up purely because I'm told to.(professional advice) I'd hate to loose them later after getting them that far. If anything is wrong with an animal, it's the first question the Vet asks. "Were they vaccinated?" Vaccinations have seriously cut down on any antibiotic treatments for the the last few years.

older by the day · 08-03-2021 1:01am

Hi, sorry for changing the subject. Going buying a bull for the dairy cows soon. Always Angus, but tempted to try a saler. Would the calfs be more saleable. I don't see many for sale down here

Good loser · 08-03-2021 2:19am

thetiredfarmer wrote: »

I follow up purely because I'm told to.(professional advice) I'd hate to loose them later after getting them that far. If anything is wrong with an animal, it's the first question the Vet asks. "Were they vaccinated?" Vaccinations have seriously cut down on any antibiotic treatments for the the last few years.

You're talking about less Nuflor, or such, I presume?

Could you quantify how much less?

Good loser · 08-03-2021 2:22am

nhg wrote: »

We vaccinated 20 calves all around 4 weeks old with 1st shot of Bovipast RSP & 25ml of Vecoxan yesterday, for past number of years gave Bovilis IBR live inter nasally at same time but someone suggested not to bother unless we have IBR issues. Now wondering if we should have given the Bovilis IBR as well..... Dairy calf to beef system.

Were you advised to go to that level with Vecoxan? Seems very high.

Track9 · 08-03-2021 4:08am

older by the day wrote: »

Hi, sorry for changing the subject. Going buying a bull for the dairy cows soon. Always Angus, but tempted to try a saler. Would the calfs be more saleable. I don't see many for sale down here

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A lot of Suckler men I know are gone right off Angus for Suckler herd.
The place is full of Low Low Calving Difficulty, with resultant poor growth.
I tried a number of Angus Calves in the last few yrs. They were slow growers.
A Saler any day. Good to calve unassisted, Good in bad weather & can bring up a good calf.

nhg · 08-03-2021 7:53am

Good loser wrote: »

Were you advised to go to that level with Vecoxan? Seems very high.

1ml per 2.5kg body weight

dar31 · 08-03-2021 8:16am

thetiredfarmer wrote: »

I give both here. I think when you are at it you may as well do the full job. The only reason I wouldn't bother would be if the Vet told me not to.I noticed a great improvement in the health of the calves since I started vaccinating 2 years ago.:)

Pervension is better than cure.

Only learned this year, if giving an intra nasal vaccine use a auto vaccine gun and put the little plastic bit on the end very quick and easy. Used to be messing around with 2ml syringes. Baffled as to how I never considered it before

oxjkqg · 08-03-2021 9:54am

Whitehead bulls AI 10 days old 250 cash
Friesian bulls 2 weeks old 85 cash
Lim heifer 10 days old 250 cash
Whitehead heifers AI and stock bull 200 cash

Cards or transfer never done until cheque clears, however rightly or wrongly that is by the book

nhg · 08-03-2021 9:54am

dar31 wrote: »

Pervension is better than cure.

Only learned this year, if giving an intra nasal vaccine use a auto vaccine gun and put the little plastic bit on the end very quick and easy. Used to be messing around with 2ml syringes. Baffled as to how I never considered it before

Always used the auto vaccine gun with a mini pliers at the ready in case the plastic nozzle comes off. Read over the weekend that it’s supposed to be 1ml up each nostril - hard enough to get the 2ml up one nostril let alone 1ml up each nostril...

We use a similar auto gun for the tribovax 10

jd_12345 · 08-03-2021 12:08pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Do many on here vaccinate calves for coccidiosis?

Is it expensive per calf?

Do it here. I would think it’s essential regardless of cost. The bother is you don’t see the damage with coccidiosis till it’s done. Had a 6 week old Albert Friesian heifer calf drop dead last year and after a few days the other calves in the pen started the bloody scour

Base price · 08-03-2021 12:37pm

nhg wrote: »

Always used the auto vaccine gun with a mini pliers at the ready in case the plastic nozzle comes off. Read over the weekend that it’s supposed to be 1ml up each nostril - hard enough to get the 2ml up one nostril let alone 1ml up each nostril...

We use a similar auto gun for the tribovax 10

The intranasal that we us (Rispoval RS+Pi3) is a single 2ml shot. I wouldn't like to be trying to get a ml into each nostril.

Hard Knocks · 08-03-2021 12:55pm

Base price wrote: »

The intranasal that we us (Rispoval RS+Pi3) is a single 2ml shot. I wouldn't like to be trying to get a ml into each nostril.

What all vaccines do you give your calves Base?

Base price · 08-03-2021 1:32pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

What all vaccines do you give your calves Base?

We only give Rispoval RS+Pi3 and Bovicox when they arrive here. We been doing it for years and seldom have an issue with pneumonia or bad scours. Deep straw bedding, good ventilation and a proper hygiene routine around feeding/teat feeders make a huge difference too.

grassroot1 · 08-03-2021 2:52pm

jd_12345 wrote: »

Do it here. I would think it’s essential regardless of cost. The bother is you don’t see the damage with coccidiosis till it’s done. Had a 6 week old Albert Friesian heifer calf drop dead last year and after a few days the other calves in the pen started the bloody scour

A disease of intensification my vet says, if we didn't dose here our losses would be high.

Hard Knocks · 08-03-2021 4:42pm

Base price wrote: »

We only give Rispoval RS+Pi3 and Bovicox when they arrive here. We been doing it for years and seldom have an issue with pneumonia or bad scours. Deep straw bedding, good ventilation and a proper hygiene routine around feeding/teat feeders make a huge difference too.

Did the calves (sucklers) with the the RS & IBR as per beep, didn’t notice any difference until we bought in a few extra calves which had to be treated for pneumonia
Was thinking on doing same again this year

stanflt · 08-03-2021 5:35pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Westcoast perseus.
39.1% male and 4,915 calving. That's very unusual. Tends to be close to 50/50 for most bulls.

https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1418736378

Where do I find this info-

Mooooo · 08-03-2021 6:34pm

Bandon was bad today for fr calves. Aa/ he seemed good, BB or charlaoisx were mental. Month old charolais made 460 I think

Toetohand · 08-03-2021 6:55pm

Mooooo wrote: »

Bandon was bad today for fr calves. Aa/ he seemed good, BB or charlaoisx were mental. Month old charolais made 460 I think

On the Fr calves: Is it linked to possible lack of sailings or glut of them?

Mooooo · 08-03-2021 6:57pm

I'd say that's exactly it. No boat going till Sat this week I think. Hard to tell on the phone but I thought a share of the fr sold at 30 to 50 would be better buys than a share of the AA sold at 200

tanko · 08-03-2021 6:59pm

stanflt wrote: »

Where do I find this info-

It's on ICBF.com. Click on animal search and put the bulls code in.

Castlekeeper · 08-03-2021 7:07pm

older by the day wrote: »

Hi, sorry for changing the subject. Going buying a bull for the dairy cows soon. Always Angus, but tempted to try a saler. Would the calfs be more saleable. I don't see many for sale down here

Very easy sell any Saler calf we ever had here but they were all AI. You'd want to know your breed/breeder to get a good bull, the breed has a reputation of being a bit flighty. My vet said once " A Limousin will fight like it's for its life, a Saler will fight like it's to the death!"
A good hairy Aubrac will give you ease of calving, quality calves, and an easy managed bull.

Pfiddlesticks · 08-03-2021 7:13pm

Paid €325 for bb4369 2week old heifer calves the other off a dairy farmer. Am I mad?? Have a small suckler herd only my second year to bucket rear a few calves. First time posting here enjoying reading true all the chat ðŸ‘

Bass Reeves · 08-03-2021 7:38pm

Pfiddlesticks wrote: »

Paid €325 for bb4369 2week old heifer calves the other off a dairy farmer. Am I mad?? Have a small suckler herd only my second year to bucket rear a few calves. First time posting here enjoying reading true all the chat ðŸ‘

What type of land have you. If your land is good enough you can pick virtually ant breed so its a case of picking value

DukeCaboom · 08-03-2021 7:38pm

Mooooo wrote: »

I'd say that's exactly it. No boat going till Sat this week I think. Hard to tell on the phone but I thought a share of the fr sold at 30 to 50 would be better buys than a share of the AA sold at 200

There was an awful lot of young calves in Bandon, rubbishy calves that your not going to buy to bucket rear, well you can try if u want but from personal experience you'll loose a few.

In gortatlea there was serious fr calves, €195 for good square ones.
Castleisland was supposed to be dearer again.

I saw calves during the week out of Castleisland 2 weeks ago. These square calves that just don't exist in Cork anymore..... €80

Anto_Meath · 08-03-2021 7:43pm

Well done and best of luck with them. Are you going to bred them or beef them?

Anto_Meath · 08-03-2021 7:46pm

Looking at Carnaross today any good calf was a good price.. bwh & AA bulls making over €300. Fair enough FR bulls were around the €100. Back to €5 for the rubbish.

Bass Reeves · 08-03-2021 8:15pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

There was an awful lot of young calves in Bandon, rubbishy calves that your not going to buy to bucket rear, well you can try if u want but from personal experience you'll loose a few.

In gortatlea there was serious fr calves, €195 for good square ones.
Castleisland was supposed to be dearer again.

I saw calves during the week out of Castleisland 2 weeks ago. These square calves that just don't exist in Cork anymore..... €80

In Castleisland today there was HEX heifers sold 300 kgs at 540-580 euro. In Kilmallock Friesian yearlings from 270-330 kgs sold for 460-580 euro. That what I be.buying. mind first two Friesian calves into Castleisland today sold for 130 euro and they were flakers. As against that a bunch of Friesians 250 kgs SD for 460 good squarish ones two.

Say my name · 08-03-2021 8:28pm

Mooooo wrote: »

I'd say that's exactly it. No boat going till Sat this week I think. Hard to tell on the phone but I thought a share of the fr sold at 30 to 50 would be better buys than a share of the AA sold at 200

It was the opposite in enniscorthy last week. Fr were up 70 to 100 on the week before and any beef breeds were back 100 on the week before.
The fine weather and forecast must have had them pushing as much as they could to fill orders.
Heard people that were selling fr bulls at the house brought them to Carnew Saturday on account of the trade and were very pleased.
It'll be a different story this week of course.

orm0nd · 08-03-2021 8:38pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

In Castleisland today there was HEX heifers sold 300 kgs at 540-580 euro. In Kilmallock Friesian yearlings from 270-330 kgs sold for 460-580 euro. That what I be.buying. mind first two Friesian calves into Castleisland today sold for 130 euro and they were flakers. As against that a bunch of Friesians 250 kgs SD for 460 good squarish ones two.

saw fr yearlings outliers 220 kgs making 540 and not overdone 19 stock (fr) weighting 400 kgs making 850,

the country is awash with screws but good to see people still recognise quality no matter what colour the hide is.

DukeCaboom · 08-03-2021 8:39pm

3 of the more prominent Bandon customers jumped ship today and wer in Gortalea. I'd imagine they'd have scouts in Castleisland as well today so you've a serious selection there.

nhg · 08-03-2021 9:22pm

Base price wrote: »

We only give Rispoval RS+Pi3 and Bovicox when they arrive here. We been doing it for years and seldom have an issue with pneumonia or bad scours. Deep straw bedding, good ventilation and a proper hygiene routine around feeding/teat feeders make a huge difference too.

Am I correct in my reading that you only have to give the Rispoval RS + PI 3 internasal the once (they don't mention boosters on the website) whereas the Bovilis RSP Marker Live only lasts 12 and they advise boosters.

Pfiddlesticks · 08-03-2021 9:25pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

What type of land have you. If your land is good enough you can pick virtually ant breed so its a case of picking value

Yeah the land is grand only a small farm, wouldn’t have the land to finish cattle only ever keep till they 18-20 month mark.

Pfiddlesticks · 08-03-2021 9:34pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Well done and best of luck with them. Are you going to bred them or beef them?

Cheers. They will probably be sold at bout 18-20 months old maybe keep 1 or 2 for the suckler herd depends how they go.

Pfiddlesticks · 08-03-2021 9:46pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Looking at Carnaross today any good calf was a good price.. bwh & AA bulls making over €300. Fair enough FR bulls were around the €100. Back to €5 for the rubbish.

Yeah seen small bit of it myself. Hard to know what they are like looking at them on the phone and I’ve yet to go over view the calves and then look at it online to give me an idea. I just bought then direct from the farmer.

Pfiddlesticks · 08-03-2021 9:51pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Looking at Carnaross today any good calf was a good price.. bwh & AA bulls making over €300. Fair enough FR bulls were around the €100. Back to €5 for the rubbish.

Yeah seen small bit of it myself. Hard to know what they are like looking at them on the phone and I’ve yet to go over view the calves and then look at it online to give me an idea. I just bought then direct from the farmer.

thetiredfarmer · 08-03-2021 10:48pm

Good loser wrote: »

You're talking about less Nuflor, or such, I presume?

Could you quantify how much less?

70 spring calves in the place at the moment, Vaccinated 1-2 days after arrival
(Bovilis Bovipast RSP + IBR) No antibiotics needed so far. It's not always the case but I would say 30-35% would have received at least on shot of Antibiotic in previous years before I started vaccinating. 4 of the Autumn reared calves caught a virus that the vet treated with Draxin and they were perfect the next day and every day since.( They were vaccinated before they got sick)

grange mac · 08-03-2021 11:41pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

3 of the more prominent Bandon customers jumped ship today and wer in Gortalea. I'd imagine they'd have scouts in Castleisland as well today so you've a serious selection there.

Probably due to carry on few weeks ago and still sulking with Cork marts.

Murang · 08-03-2021 11:49pm

grange mac wrote: »

Probably due to carry on few weeks ago and still sulking with Cork marts.

What happened a few weeks ago

Anto_Meath · 09-03-2021 12:46am

Pfiddlesticks wrote: »

Yeah seen small bit of it myself. Hard to know what they are like looking at them on the phone and I’ve yet to go over view the calves and then look at it online to give me an idea. I just bought then direct from the farmer.

We rear 50 - 60 bucket calves a year, if we can at all we buy them from local farmers & have been doing it for years. U get a far healthier calf, collected in farmers yard with a full belly around 2 in the day at home in their bedded pen in about twenty minutes & then a light feed that evening to settle in. They never seem to get a set back that way. Where as with mart calves about a week after they land you will notice a chill or a scour. So you would be better off giving the farmer €20 more in his yard as you will be out it & more on mart calves.

Bass Reeves · 09-03-2021 1:07am

Anto_Meath wrote: »

We rear 50 - 60 bucket calves a year, if we can at all we buy them from local farmers & have been doing it for years. U get a far healthier calf, collected in farmers yard with a full belly around 2 in the day at home in their bedded pen in about twenty minutes & then a light feed that evening to settle in. They never seem to get a set back that way. Where as with mart calves about a week after they land you will notice a chill or a scour. So you would be better off giving the farmer €20 more in his yard as you will be out it & more on mart calves.

Why should you give the farmer more in his yard. He is saving mart comission, transport and time by selling to you a regular customer out of the yard. He should be discounting to you.

Good loser · 09-03-2021 1:13am

thetiredfarmer wrote: »

70 spring calves in the place at the moment, Vaccinated 1-2 days after arrival
(Bovilis Bovipast RSP + IBR) No antibiotics needed so far. It's not always the case but I would say 30-35% would have received at least on shot of Antibiotic in previous years before I started vaccinating. 4 of the Autumn reared calves caught a virus that the vet treated with Draxin and they were perfect the next day and every day since.( They were vaccinated before they got sick)

Thanks for that.
I have not vaccinated heretofore but had a lot of pneumonia - would be injecting up to 70% with antibiotics and lose 1 or 2 or 3 out of 70.
Will vaccinate this week. See Base Price does not use IBR.

DukeCaboom · 09-03-2021 8:39am

grange mac wrote: »

Probably due to carry on few weeks ago and still sulking with Cork marts.

They had a valid point, he was the only manager doing that.

grange mac · 09-03-2021 9:28am

DukeCaboom wrote: »

They had a valid point, he was the only manager doing that.

It's going on in kerry too, but agreed he was wrong in first place. Be forgotten soon though as he gone from skibb this wk and Bandon next week apparently.
Hope they put a good manager in there as names been put out there don't inspire confidence if going up against Maurice & his band of agents around West Cork.

DukeCaboom · 09-03-2021 9:37am

grange mac wrote: »

It's going on in kerry too, but agreed he was wrong in first place. Be forgotten soon though as he gone from skibb this wk and Bandon next week apparently.
Hope they put a good manager in there as names been put out there don't inspire confidence if going up against Maurice & his band of agents around West Cork.

Sadly what you said is apparently true.

Base price · 09-03-2021 10:09am

nhg wrote: »

Am I correct in my reading that you only have to give the Rispoval RS + PI 3 internasal the once (they don't mention boosters on the website) whereas the Bovilis RSP Marker Live only lasts 12 and they advise boosters.

One 2ml shot does 12 weeks which covers them through the stress of weaning and turnout to grass.

jd_12345 · 09-03-2021 10:12am

DukeCaboom wrote: »

They had a valid point, he was the only manager doing that.

What was he doing?
(DM if you like)

Bass Reeves · 09-03-2021 10:17am

DukeCaboom wrote: »

They had a valid point, he was the only manager doing that.

What did he do to upset them

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