UEFA refuse to sanction illuminating Munich Stadium in rainbow colours

John Doe1 wrote: »

Those lovely tolerant germans though, always big fans of the gays.....

Progress is great isn't it!

Faugheen wrote: »

Why are you so upset about Qatar and not Hungary?

Male homosexuality is illegal in Qatar, with a punishment of up to three years in prison ... They have spent years on a decision and have chosen to have a World Cup there....

Homosexuality is not illegal in Hungary..

Faugheen wrote: »

But not even allowed to talk about it to under 18s is just fine?

Why can’t they both be repulsive? What is it with so many people here comparing two bad things to make one of those bad things look fine?

It’s absolutely fine to despise Qatar and this situation as well. The World Cup should never be held in a country like Qatar for many, many reasons including its attitudes towards homosexuals.

There seems to be a big cohort of people defending everything Hungary does under the guise of ‘no politics in football’ when football is an entirely political and commercial entity that offers zero protection against racism or homophobia.

Nobody is trying to ‘make’ anything look fine...

Hungary have rights to protect homosexuals against persecution.... Qatar...hmmm no.

Deleted User wrote: »

And? As stated by a fair few posters, we oppose Qatar's Policy. If anything, a huge reason that results in people calling out Hungary is it's far closer to home and they're in the EU. Regressive policies by the likes of Hungary are firstly illegal under EU law which they signed up to. Secondly, they are actively violating human rights law. You might choose not to care but to be annoyed at other's viewing it as an issue?

Your logic also seems a bit like, "Oh Germany might not be allowing Jewish people to have jobs but there's purges happening in Russia, not hearing about that eh?" Horrific treatment of citizens start small and incrementally take away freedoms. It's not something we should ignore.

Hungary is far closer to home ? That geographical titbit really doesn’t have much bearing, neither does EU membership, what’s unjust in the EU isn’t somehow just worthy of minimizing it and excusing it in further afield jurisdictions...

If you a person with credibility and who values fairness you won’t let borders dictate what is right, wrong, to be called out or not.

But as usual certain people like to choose through their rose tinted glasses the injustices that suit them...

fvp4 wrote: »

Qatar is far far worse. Qatar is even worse than Ireland in the Jackie Charlton era.

I don't think that you can blame Charlton for everything

Strumms wrote: »

You can think what you like about the comparison, discuss it... we can do so here, and in Hungary too....

Qatar ?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/QATAR-2020-HUMAN-RIGHTS-REPORT.pdf

You are just going to do your damndest to not discuss the fact that Hungary has anti lgbt laws aren't you? Yes Qatar and a good few others are worse. Hungary is getting discussed because they are moving to make things worse for lgbt people than it was in Hungary a few years ago.

And also because we can also talk about the comparison between modern day Germany and modern day Hungary.

Hungary fares pretty badly in that regard. Germans also have the right to disagree with Hungary's laws and several of their players and politicians have expressed this opinion. Hence the stadiums lit up. Can you find me a statement saying they agree with Qatar's laws?

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do you think any attempt will be made to shame Qatar's position on LGBT during any of the matches?

This whole debate came after Munich council/local authorities wanted to light up the stadium that the game was in. So no, I don't think any of the Qatari local authorities will be requesting similar.

If you're referring to the fan that ran on to the pitch, then sneering that they mightn't do so in Qatar isn't really that much of a gotcha. It was a German fan in Germany protesting, more power to them.

Are you saying people should only protest if they're willing to go to jail for years for the cause?

There's posters in this thread basically saying sure at least Hungary don't have a prison or death sentence for being gay, as if that absolves the regression they're taking on gay rights.

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

The woke media have the gullible wrapped around their fingers.
Every few years the nice and twee Commonwealth Games take place with not a rainbow flag or illumination in sight.
Homosexuality is illegal in 35 of the 54 countries that are members of the British Commonwealth but lets not mention that.

Are you saying there should be more protests or no protests?

Deleted User wrote: »

Sadlier and Duff agreeing that UEFA are devoid of principles.
https://twitter.com/GavanCasey/status/1407769923955400709?s=19

UEFA are devoid of principles? Wasnt it Sadler one of the many to jump to conclusions and accuse Presentation college and its staff in Carlow, of sexual assault without verified information. Moran.

fvp4 wrote: »

It’s simple.

Qatar is far far worse. Qatar is even worse than Ireland in the Jackie Charlton era. It has the death penalty for homosexuality. That’s legal in Hungary and has been since 1961. 30 years longer than Ireland. Hungary has civil partnership.

So maybe the protests should be stronger than against Hungary. Maybe a boycott.

In fact nothing will happen.

So because theres a worse situation elsewhere protesting against Hungary isnt allowed? Classic whataboutery


The phrase "keep politics out of football" only occurs when its a politics the person saying it doesn't agree with. Every fan of an english club was crossing their fingers for politics to get involved with football when the whole super league thing was happening a month again but now suddenly again its keep politics out of football..... hilarious

tjhook wrote: »

I disagree with that. It's not true in my case. It might be slightly more valid to suggest that people only agree with bringing politics into sport when it's the politics they agree with.

I'd much rather sports generally had no politics. I like the Olympic ideal (somewhat flawed though it is in implementation) where competitors meet and leave their differences, political, social and any other, outside the stadium.

Im a cynic and im of the opinion that anyone who thinks professional sports or national level amateur sports IE the olympics isnt already littered with political interference and influence is incredibly naive or just wilfully ignorant.


The olympic ideal is a lovely thought but not realistic or even possible anymore.

tjhook wrote: »

The same goes for world peace, an end to hunger, end of homelessness... it doesn't mean we shouldn't strive towards them.

Jesus, maybe get some perspective?

VinLieger wrote: »

Jesus, maybe get some perspective?

You don't think the Olympic ideal can be achieved and so isn't worth striving for. Is that your opinion of all ideals that can never be achieved?

As for perspective, maybe those who want to bring more causes and politics into sport can "get some perspective" and instead enjoy sporting occasions for what they are.

tjhook wrote: »

You don't think the Olympic ideal can be achieved and so isn't worth striving for. Is that your opinion of all ideals that can never be achieved?

As for perspective, maybe those who want to bring more causes and politics into sport can "get some perspective" and instead enjoy sporting occasions for what they are.

No its not possible because of what the Olympics has become, i would argue however bringing politics into sports might actually achieve good though, like fighting racism, homophobia etc.

Look at Marcus Rashford are you suggesting he shouldn't have stood up for children who weren't going to get fed due to schools being shut down during the pandemic?

The only reason he was able to do so was due to his massive platform he had from being a football player for one of the biggest clubs in the world, like it or not that's politics in football.

Sadlier and Duff agreeing that UEFA are devoid of principles.

How is it anything to do with UEFA to pressure countries to amend their laws? They are a sporting body.

How about the principle that apolitical organisations are not vehicles for political crusades but have their own goals and interests.

Jaysus I remember and it wasn't so long ago we used to concentrate on the actual sport.
And for the Euros and WCs we used to have thread with all the lovely ladies and latteraly the lovely lads.

Now it is a fooking continous whine about using the damn matches to make a point.
That would be fine but it is fecking window dressing, a lot of the players no doubt couldn't give a fook, neither could the fans and the authorities, the sponsors are just interested in the bottom line and which way makes more money for them.

Some people claimed the stadium would have massive number of fans carrying rainbow flags to make a point, but really what I saw was massive number of German flags. i.e. the fans couldn't care.

I guess the fans just wanted to follow their team and not try make fooking points for people chomping on social media and trying to outdo themselves looking righteous.

Now the biggest discussion about the olympics is not about lack of fans travelling, it being a year late.
No it is about fact women's sport is being turned into a fooking mockery by allowing trans athletes compete against them.

And the real laugh is half the fookers pushing all this sh** have never up to now had any interest in sport.

So what I'm hearing after all this is there's no politics in football therefore we shouldn't be kicking racism out of football? And poor kids in the UK should have gone without food so some deluded people could keep believing "their game" is pure and apolitical while ignoring all the obvious reasons its not and hasn't been for a long time.

God there's a loud echo in these football circles.....

John Doe1 wrote: »

Sports and politics go hand in hand since the time of the gladiators.

The problem is only certain social media friendly and financially beneficial political statements are allowed to be made, you can accuse Hungarians of being homophobes but not Saudis.

You can take a knee to make an assertion of a worldwide racist conspiracy against blacks but Don't mention Uighirs, Palestine, Anti-Irish sentiment, targeted rape of White girls in England, Armenian Genocide, Islamic Extremism, FGM, etc...

I support our troops was one of the "allowable" statements for the Superbowl mvp at the start of the latest Iraq war. Given its controversy at the time it would have been political and against Islamic Extremism (mistargeted a bit as history showed but it was partially a response to 9/11).

You can accuse the Saudis of being homophobes. Indeed the Saudi government seem proud of their abuses. Hungary seems to deny the fact they are also homophobic (to a lesser degree but someone hitting others over the head with bottles is still a violent person even without being as violent as a mass murderer).