UEFA refuse to sanction illuminating Munich Stadium in rainbow colours

Bobblehats

A rainbow flag jutting out of that fortress? :pac: ruin the aesthetic

Bobblehats

what you’d reduce it to in their eyes it’s a non starter anyways, Wembley it is.

Faugheen

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/19692/12341380/euro-2020-uefa-investigating-alleged-discrimination-at-germany-vs-hungary-game

A third investigation in three games for alleged discrimination by Hungary fans, one of which involved a homophobic banner.

And yet people here think it has nothing to do with sport. It has everything to do with sport.

Girly Gal

Faugheen wrote: »

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/19692/12341380/euro-2020-uefa-investigating-alleged-discrimination-at-germany-vs-hungary-game

A third investigation in three games for alleged discrimination by Hungary fans, one of which involved a homophobic banner.

And yet people here think it has nothing to do with sport. It has everything to do with sport.

One of the investigations is about the pitch invader at Munich carrying the rainbow flag, I don't think the Hungarians were behind this one.

Bobblehats

Faugheen wrote: »

And yet people here think it has nothing to do with sport. It has everything to do with sport.

It really hasn’t the only way you’ll truly get at them, at this rate is allow transgender players but then you won’t get the same crowd at women’s matches.

Regardless, it’s not a great idea to provoke the common people into such reactions and with the football arena considered a last refuge it’s a no brainier mate…. no brainer mate… no brainer mate…..

Sand

Faugheen wrote: »

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/19692/12341380/euro-2020-uefa-investigating-alleged-discrimination-at-germany-vs-hungary-game

A third investigation in three games for alleged discrimination by Hungary fans, one of which involved a homophobic banner.

And yet people here think it has nothing to do with sport. It has everything to do with sport.

People think that UEFA/FIFA is a sporting organisation which is only obligated to do what is best for the sport it represents. Their ability to represent the game requires a certain amount of neutrality so they can operate in all countries and help the sport thrive as a global game. The decision makers at UEFA likely do genuinely believe in LGBT activism but it doesn't mean the organisation is a tool to enforce that activism on sovereign governments.

The domestic laws of Hungary is not a hill that UEFA should die on.

Christy42

Sand wrote: »

People think that UEFA/FIFA is a sporting organisation which is only obligated to do what is best for the sport it represents. Their ability to represent the game requires a certain amount of neutrality so they can operate in all countries and help the sport thrive as a global game. The decision makers at UEFA likely do genuinely believe in LGBT activism but it doesn't mean the organisation is a tool to enforce that activism on sovereign governments.

The domestic laws of Hungary is not a hill that UEFA should die on.

Lighting up a stadium does not force anything on Hungary. Heck the Hungarian government didn't even have to see the stadium.

Uefa was never particularly dying on this hill regardless of the decision. If they want neutrality they need to come down harder on the political (apparently) abuse hurled out in games. Otherwise they are enabling a vector for that abuse.

VinLieger

Christy42 wrote: »

Lighting up a stadium does not force anything on Hungary. Heck the Hungarian government didn't even have to see the stadium.

Uefa was never particularly dying on this hill regardless of the decision. If they want neutrality they need to come down harder on the political (apparently) abuse hurled out in games. Otherwise they are enabling a vector for that abuse.

Indeed they cant have it both ways.

It's curious that UEFA wouldn't allow Munich to light up the stadium but have no problem with their sponsors using rainbow colours in their advertisements.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's curious that UEFA wouldn't allow Munich to light up the stadium but have no problem with their sponsors using rainbow colours in their advertisements.

Munich don't pay UEFA....UEFA pay Munich for the use of the stadium.

Sponsors on the other hand....they can pretty much do what they want as long as the cheque is big enough.

Faugheen

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Munich don't pay UEFA....UEFA pay Munich for the use of the stadium.

Sponsors on the other hand....they can pretty much do what they want as long as the cheque is big enough.

But none of it is political... or some nonsense like that.

Timberrrrrrrr

Faugheen wrote: »

But none of it is political... or some nonsense like that.

It's only "politics" when people choose make it political.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Munich don't pay UEFA....UEFA pay Munich for the use of the stadium.

Sponsors on the other hand....they can pretty much do what they want as long as the cheque is big enough.

I still argue the should have just done it anyway, but this is the problem with Germans: they feel like they have to get permission.

That said Germany is due to host the next one, so might have been wary about repercussions.

biko

France is playing Switzerland tonight. Is it as important tonight to have the LBGT colours illuminating the stadium?

suicide_circus

biko wrote: »

France is playing Switzerland tonight. Is it as important tonight to have the LBGT colours illuminating the stadium?

Of course. Participation in Pride is not compulsory but if you don't you better have a good f*cking reason.

ted1

biko wrote: »

France is playing Switzerland tonight. Is it as important tonight to have the LBGT colours illuminating the stadium?

Can the stadium do it?
I’ve been at the Munich stadium it looks like a giant marshmallow, it’s got a lot of led lights and part of its design is its ability to change colours.

It’s also something they do on an annual basis.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bavarianfootballworks.com/platform/amp/2016/7/10/12136512/bayern-munich-light-allianz-arena-in-rainbow-flag-on-christopher-street-day

ted1

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I still argue the should have just done it anyway, but this is the problem with Germans: they feel like they have to get permission.

That said Germany is due to host the next one, so might have been wary about repercussions.

Why did they feel the need to ask in the first place ? Like do they ask about every light bulb?

extra gravy

biko wrote: »

France is playing Switzerland tonight. Is it as important tonight to have the LBGT colours illuminating the stadium?

It's tomorrow and in Bucharest. So nothing do with a specific request in relation to the stadium in Munich. Don't let that fact get in the way of your boring trolling though.

Faugheen

https://twitter.com/uefa/status/1409163565488119815?s=21

Rainbows are only political when it suits UEFA it seems.

suicide_circus

Faugheen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/uefa/status/1409163565488119815?s=21

Rainbows are only political when it suits UEFA it seems.

Well they're not compulsory so we can all take them or leave them with no further explanation required

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Faugheen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/uefa/status/1409163565488119815?s=21

Rainbows are only political when it suits UEFA it seems.

Jesus just when you thought they couldn't get any more hypocritical...

VinLieger

suicide_circus wrote: »

Well they're not compulsory so we can all take them or leave them with no further explanation required

Indeed unless UEFA suddenly decides they are political again.

jakiah

UEFA tying themselves up in knots trying to both accomodate and not accomodate political protest at the same time, exactly as predicted.

What they are actually saying is that the rainbow flag itself is not political, but using it in a targeted political statement against one member nations policies is. This is actually a consistent position, but good luck getting that across in todays outrage culture.

suicide_circus

Yeah that makes sense actually

Christy42

jakiah wrote: »

UEFA tying themselves up in knots trying to both accomodate and not accomodate political protest at the same time, exactly as predicted.

What they are actually saying is that the rainbow flag itself is not political, but using it in a targeted political statement against one member nations policies is. This is actually a consistent position, but good luck getting that across in todays outrage culture.

So the conclusion is that they should have lit it up for all games then?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Christy42 wrote: »

So the conclusion is that they should have lit it up for all games then?

Fair conclusion. Why not?

I mean, if they'd fine it for all games in prude month it world have made sense and uefa works have been in a tough position to trek them to NOT do it for one particular game.

jakiah

Christy42 wrote: »

So the conclusion is that they should have lit it up for all games then?

All games or no games, but basicially not only in the game against Hungary as a political protest against that government. I guess then you'd have the contrarians arguing about why only Munich is lit up and not Budapest, Moscow & Baku.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

jakiah wrote: »

All games or no games, but basicially not only in the game against Hungary as a political protest against that government. I guess then you'd have the contrarians arguing about why only Munich is lit up and not Budapest, Moscow & Baku.

Well, they obviously would if they had lights!!

(Apart from Moscow, which might, but isn't hosting any games anyway!)

OMM 0000

suicide_circus wrote: »

Of course. Participation in Pride is not compulsory but if you don't you better have a good f*cking reason.

"We don't believe people's sexuality (heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual) is interesting or relevant, and we see no reason to celebrate it.

"We believe people should be judged on their character and not immutable characteristics such as their sexuality".

tldr: grow up, you're not special.

TomTomTim

Yes, kink belongs at Pride. And I want my kids to see it.


Articles like this certainly don't help the "it's just about equality" argument. When mindsets like this exist in your movement, can you really blame the likes of Hungary for being cautious?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

TomTomTim wrote: »

Yes, kink belongs at Pride. And I want my kids to see it.


Articles like this certainly don't help the "it's just about equality" argument. When mindsets like this exist in your movement, can you really blame the likes of Hungary for being cautious?

Back up a bit there - no one in Uefa or Germany is talking about kink.

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

Yes, kink belongs at Pride. And I want my kids to see it.


Articles like this certainly don't help the "it's just about equality" argument. When mindsets like this exist in your movement, can you really blame the likes of Hungary for being cautious?

This is more seeming like an effort on your part to justify homophobic laws.

TomTomTim

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Back up a bit there - no one in Uefa or Germany is talking about kink.

I never said anything as such. Hungary's policy is what sparked all of this, hence the mention of Hungary. I think you know that though, you're just deflecting.

Deleted User wrote: »

This is more seeming like an effort on your part to justify homophobic laws.

Nope. Many people keep arguing that it's about equality alone, and has little do to with politics. I'm simply highlighting that it's not simple just a matter of equality, and that people have just reason to be cautious about teaching LGBT based stuff to children.

Very interesting though, that none of the responders see any issue with the article posted, even though this stuff is on the border of paedophilia. This was considered a reasonable article by both the writer and the editor, and the fact that you find more issue with my intent than the article itself, says such much.

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

I never said anything as such. Hungary's policy is what sparked all of this, hence the mention of Hungary. I think you know that though, you're just deflecting.



Nope. Many people keep arguing that it's about equality alone, and has little do to with politics. I'm simply highlighting that it's not simple just a matter of equality, and that people have just reason to be cautious about teaching LGBT based stuff to children.

Very interesting though, that none of the responders see any issue with the article posted, even though this stuff is on the border of paedophilia. This was considered a reasonable article by both the writer and the editor, and the fact that you find more issue with my intent than the article itself, says such much.

I've read the article and can you point me to where it bordered on pro paedophilia? The author who is voicing their opinion argues that it illustrates how diverse the LGBT community is and they view it as good for children to know that the community is accepting etc. But it's far from horrifying as an article. I've been to pride in Dublin. I'm sure kink was present but it honestly didn't even register.

On top of that, Hungary and Russia just wanted to hide homosexuality and create a culture of intolerance around the LGBT community. It's literally ****ing over an entire generation of youths with fear and paranoia created by the state. Nothing to do with protecting the youth and more likely to severely damage their mental health and wellbeing.

Faugheen

Deleted User wrote: »

I've read the article and can you point me to where it bordered on pro paedophilia? The author who is voicing their opinion argues that it illustrates how diverse the LGBT community is and they view it as good for children to know that the community is accepting etc. But it's far from horrifying as an article. I've been to pride in Dublin. I'm sure kink was present but it honestly didn't even register.

On top of that, Hungary and Russia just wanted to hide homosexuality and create a culture of intolerance around the LGBT community. It's literally ****ing over an entire generation of youths with fear and paranoia created by the state. Nothing to do with protecting the youth and more likely to severely damage their mental health and wellbeing.

but but kink and leather.

is_that_so

TomTomTim wrote: »

Yes, kink belongs at Pride. And I want my kids to see it.


Articles like this certainly don't help the "it's just about equality" argument. When mindsets like this exist in your movement, can you really blame the likes of Hungary for being cautious?

TBH all of this kicked off because of the Mayor of Munich's fury about the Hungarians. Now there is little positive about what Hungary does these days but that fight is not UEFA's.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

TomTomTim wrote: »

I never said anything as such. Hungary's policy is what sparked all of this, hence the mention of Hungary. I think you know that though, you're just deflecting.



Nope. Many people keep arguing that it's about equality alone, and has little do to with politics. I'm simply highlighting that it's not simple just a matter of equality, and that people have just reason to be cautious about teaching LGBT based stuff to children.

Very interesting though, that none of the responders see any issue with the article posted, even though this stuff is on the border of paedophilia. This was considered a reasonable article by both the writer and the editor, and the fact that you find more issue with my intent than the article itself, says such much.

We didn't read it because you just lonk-dumped the article with no reference or personal comment. Usual means YOU never read it either.

And kink is nothing to do with the issue. Straight people enjoy kink. Gay people enjoy kink. There. Equality.

Now if your argument is 'kids' then everyone will get into trouble if they involve kids, Gay or straight. Equlity again.

Its about showing support for equal.human rights for a marginalised minority group who are frequently attacked and denied said rights.