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Irish Echo WTF?

  • 22-02-2014 6:46am
    #1
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭


    Has anyone seen the latest Irish echo's front cover? On the front of it they have a few pictures of a happy mum and dad and their kids with the emotional plea to let the dad stay with his family as he is being deported for over staying his visa.
    https://www.facebook.com/Irishechoaustralia
    http://www.irishecho.com.au/2014/02/20/new-irish-echo-print-edition-out-today/30730

    However, on closer look you will see that this is a person convicted of a violent assault back in 2004, an assault that left a young man permanently damaged with a brain injury which will cause him to spend the rest of this life in a nursing home. The article makes reference to the assault but basically ignores the severity of it and the fact that someones life is ruined because of it.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pair-jailed-for-cowardly-attack-that-left-gifted-student-with-brain-damage-25913057.html

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/proud-smiles-hide-family-tragedy-at-sons-graduation-241240.html

    Now, the thing is though we all know the publicity that surrounds victims of assaults and especially the furore about king hits, which the Irish echo have previously been opinionated about in their editorial and opinions piece. Is it then gross hypocrisy to try and promote this persons cause as a basic plea to emotions to let this guy into the country and stay with his new family?

    So what say you? Should the guy be given a 4th/5th chance (he was caught driving over the limit, charge for common assault and driving in an unlicensed vichele in Australia already) or should the law be the law and the guy be deported as originally planned.

    Note, it is unclear from the article why he over stayed his visa in the first place and if wether or not he lied on his visa application regarding the assault that he was convicted for in 2004.


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  • #2
    tomaussie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭tomaussie


    Bye bye. You won't be missed.


  • #3
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭dobman88


    If an Aussie did that in Ireland and a paper was pleading his case, there would be uproar. Deport him, he's had enough chances. Will probably end up in prison at home sooner or later anyway with that record.


  • #4
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    I don't know why he has a lawyer if he is going to allow himself be questioned on facebook.

    And be caught out I might add


  • #5
    Nixer Jim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭Nixer Jim


    What a shame we've gotta take him back. Fcuking thug. He should be in prison until his victim makes a full recovery. An argument over hurling FFS!! There's cleverer goldfish.

    Proper order Australia. If only we managed to control the influx of thugs & criminals into this country over the last few years too.


  • #6
    Shy Ted
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭Shy Ted


    I see someone on facebook believes he has served his time & deserves as second chance...
    4 years is hardly enough for destroying the life of a young man and his family?

    You would think an incident like that would change that pr1cks outlook on life, or at least he'd have some remorse and change his ways.

    Whilst I don't understand how the australians let him into the country in the first place, I think they should deport his ass. But now Ireland will be stuck with that degenerate scumbag.


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  • #7
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    jank wrote: »
    Has anyone seen the latest Irish echo's front cover? On the front of it they have a few pictures of a happy mum and dad and their kids with the emotional plea to let the dad stay with his family as he is being deported for over staying his visa.
    https://www.facebook.com/Irishechoaustralia
    http://www.irishecho.com.au/2014/02/20/new-irish-echo-print-edition-out-today/30730

    However, on closer look you will see that this is a person convicted of a violent assault back in 2004, an assault that left a young man permanently damaged with a brain injury which will cause him to spend the rest of this life in a nursing home. The article makes reference to the assault but basically ignores the severity of it and the fact that someones life is ruined because of it.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pair-jailed-for-cowardly-attack-that-left-gifted-student-with-brain-damage-25913057.html

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/proud-smiles-hide-family-tragedy-at-sons-graduation-241240.html

    Now, the thing is though we all know the publicity that surrounds victims of assaults and especially the furore about king hits, which the Irish echo have previously been opinionated about in their editorial and opinions piece. Is it then gross hypocrisy to try and promote this persons cause as a basic plea to emotions to let this guy into the country and stay with his new family?

    So what say you? Should the guy be given a 4th/5th chance (he was caught driving over the limit, charge for common assault and driving in an unlicensed vichele in Australia already) or should the law be the law and the guy be deported as originally planned.

    Note, it is unclear from the article why he over stayed his visa in the first place and if wether or not he lied on his visa application regarding the assault that he was convicted for in 2004.

    That's why I would never waste $3.50 for it, I would resent my money going into their staffs pockets.


  • #8
    twomint
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭twomint


    The Aussies are right to want to deport him.

    Before you even look at his previous assault conviction in Cork, he has over stayed his visa in Australia and was caught driving an unlicensed vehicle there. Hardly the perfect way to endear yourself to your adopted country. If he treats the 'little' laws with such disregard, chances are he could show just as much disregard for bigger ones.

    Why would the Aussies want anyone who is capable of doing what he has previously done and has shown that he isn't above flouting their laws either. As has been said, we'll end up with him though.

    If he is such a catch, the family can always move with him when he is deported.


  • #9
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    jank wrote: »
    So what say you? Should the guy be given a 4th/5th chance (he was caught driving over the limit, charge for common assault and driving in an unlicensed vichele in Australia already) or should the law be the law and the guy be deported as originally planned.
    How do we know this?


  • #10
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    I wonder if the Irish Echo would be leading a campaign for the cowards who attacked David Kehone (a Cork man who has had his life destroyed while living in Sydney). What are the Irish Echo trying to achieve here?

    There are loads of cases each year where Scum are turfed out on their ear for failing the Character Test, even if they are not fit to travel, and with a lot more connections and family in Australia than this career criminal/violent thug with some child born out of wedlock and a "classy" looking Sheila (LOL)

    "An Adelaide man being deported to the United Kingdom despite living in Australia for most of his life has flown out of Sydney Airport bound for London.

    Clifford Tucker, 47, moved to Australia with his parents from the UK when he was six but never applied for citizenship. He is being deported because he failed a character test.

    In the 1980s and '90s the father of three served 12 years in jail for three different crimes, including the attempted murder of a policeman and assault.

    He has not been in prison since 1999 but two things brought him to the attention of authorities in 2008."

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-04-18/australia-carries-out-british-mans-deportation/2611564

    "ANDREW DEREK MOORE arrived in Australia from Scotland aged 11. Almost 30 years and a string of convictions later, Australia decided he had failed its character test and cancelled his visa.
    On October 20, after a decade-long stretch in jail and immigration detention and despite serious health problems that were known to Australian authorities, Mr Moore was sent ''home''. Leaving behind a teenage son and his extended family, the 43-year-old recovering alcoholic was released at Heathrow Airport at 6am with $1000 cash, medication and a hotel booking. Two days later he was dead."

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/thirty-years-in-australia-then-deported-to-die-20091206-kcyk.html#ixzz2u34qDVek


  • #11
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    RPM7 wrote: »
    Whilst I don't understand how the australians let him into the country in the first place.

    I would wager a fair sum of money that he did not tick the box for any previous convictions on his Boarding Pass, any serious assault is grounds to refuse entry, anything resulting in a 4 year custodial sentence would result in him being turned around at immigration.

    RPM7 wrote: »
    I see someone on facebook believes he has served his time & deserves as second chance...

    I wonder if they will waddle on over here and give me a laugh :pac:....


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  • #12
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    The Aussie wrote: »
    What are the Irish Echo trying to achieve here?

    It's obvious they are trying to sell newspapers, they are very selective when it comes to the facts and truth in their editing. They seem to be targeting a large audience that is more interested in reading and supporting muppetry than the truth, it's all rather self serving.


  • #13
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    RPM7 wrote: »
    I see someone on facebook believes he has served his time & deserves as second chance...

    As above a good example of a supporters of muppetry, the same person would probably have labeled the offender a scumbag in Ireland but since he is an Irishman in Australia he is suddenly a victim.

    It's like immigration is the enemy here and my enemy enemy is now my friend, muppetry at its best.


  • #14
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Zambia wrote: »
    How do we know this?

    It is mentioned in the article, the paper edition.


  • #15
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    jank wrote: »
    It is mentioned in the article, the paper edition.

    Or mention of another Assult here...

    THE vicious thug who left tragic student Denis Franklin paralysed for life was jailed for four years yesterday.

    Brutal Ian Cronin, 21, kicked and punched Denis on the ground until blood ran out of his ears.

    At one stage during the savage beating by Cronin and a gang, Denis' heart stopped, but he was revived in hospital.

    The former Cork Institute of Technology pupil is now in a permanent vegetative state in a nursing home, where his parents travel 46 miles every night to see him.

    Yesterday it emerged that yob Cronin had received a two-year suspended jail sentence for another assault just five months earlier.


    So the Irish Echo are trying to make a Poster Boy out of this Poor example of a Human Being , it says more about the Staff and Workers at the a Irish Echo that they believe this man is worthy of air time because of what Passport he bears, they cannot spin that the attack on Dennis Franklin was a "one off Brain Fart" Ian Cronin is obviously a man of very low character and if the Irish Echo wish to put up a staunch defence of his actions, well..... If you lay with Dogs.

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/4YRS+FOR+THUG+WHO+LEFT+DENIS+PARALYSED%3B+Second+yob+gets+9mths.-a0116206748


  • #16
    coolbeans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Living in Ireland, the Continent, the UK I'd like to see them keep the thug but if they're sensible they'll eject him and quickly. No sympathy especially when it comes to assault. Pity he'll be nearer me .


  • #17
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    That does it. Going to write an email to the editor.
    They are basically condoning violence by taking this stance.

    Feel free to write your own email.

    mail@irishecho.com.au


  • #18
    coolbeans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Nixer Jim wrote: »
    What a shame we've gotta take him back. Fcuking thug. He should be in prison until his victim makes a full recovery. An argument over hurling FFS!! There's cleverer goldfish.

    Proper order Australia. If only we managed to control the influx of thugs & criminals into this country over the last few years too.

    Most of our thugs and criminals are home grown. What's this "influx" you refer to?


  • #19
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    jank wrote: »
    They are basically condoning violence by taking this stance.

    And then bemoaning it here on the same date.

    Dubliner Louise Smith suffered swelling to the brain and memory loss after she was attacked in a car park in front of her children.

    AN Irish victim of a “king hit” punch has called on the government to take action and to introduce mandatory sentencing for such attacks.
    Louise Smith suffered swelling to the brain, memory loss and post-traumatic stress after a car park attack which was witnessed by her children.


    Do you have to be a special kind of stupid to work at the Irish Echo???


    http://www.irishecho.com.au/2014/02/20/victim-of-melbourne-king-hit-calls-for-tougher-penalties/30766


  • #20
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    jank wrote: »
    That does it. Going to write an email to the editor.
    They are basically condoning violence by taking this stance.

    Feel free to write your own email.

    mail@irishecho.com.au

    Did you get a reply from them???

    I'm still waiting, I kept it rather civil except for accusing them of publicly ejaculating because of the Passport Ian Cronin bears and not his actions as a man.

    Might bang them off another email.


  • #21
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    The Aussie wrote: »
    Do you have to be a special kind of stupid to work at the Irish Echo???

    I doubt they have the skills to do something useful.


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  • #22
    coolbeans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    If I were an Australian I'd be pretty pisséd off looking at this sideshow. And all the paddys supporting him. Almost every one of them supports him. Talk about being insensitive to their host nation. There's nowt thicker than a mob.


  • #23
    AngryHippie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    nah, There's plenty of people that wouldn't give a sh!t if a hole opened up in the ground and swallowed him.

    The Aussies don't even know about him. You seriously think they read the echo ? or care what it says.

    It won't be until Tracey Grimshaw or Tonight get a hold of the story, then the rabble rousing will start :eek:
    Almost every one of them supports him

    No, not really.


  • #24
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    coolbeans wrote: »
    If I were an Australian I'd be pretty pisséd off looking at this sideshow. And all the paddys supporting him. Almost every one of them supports him. Talk about being insensitive to their host nation. There's nowt thicker than a mob.

    I agree with AngryHippie, most Aussies wouldn't give a sh!t. On a Personal level I couldnt give a F**k if he stays or is deported... I will hardly lose any sleep over it.

    However if he is deported I would feel for his kid not having a father around and also for the family of his victim who are going to see him walking around town.

    The Irish Echo have been very hypocritical over this, they are very quick to print details of assaults over the last few months but in this case a few throw away lines about a serious assault 12 years ago and they give the impression that yer man is being deported for not meeting the character requirements because of overstaying and not declaring a criminal record (victimless crimes).

    What the Irish Echo failed to mention is the man in question was denied a visa because he failed to meet Section 501 which is " (1) The Minister may refuse to grant a visa to a person if the person does not satisfy the Minister that the person passes the character test."

    Really you cant blame Scott Morison for refusing.

    This guy has a lengthy Criminal history and some of it not as


    Cork City Circuit Court 8 May 2003 Assault Causing Harm 9 September 2001 2 Years Suspended Sentence. Bound to the Peace for 2 Years.

    Cork City Circuit Court 4 May 2004 Assault Causing Serious Harm 17 February 2002 4 Years Imprisonment.

    Cork City Court No 1 15 November 2004 Criminal Damage 8 Months Imprisonment.

    Cork City Court No 1 24 September 2008 Urinating in Public Contrary to Public Decency Fine: 200 euros.

    Cork City Court No 1 24 September 2008 Intoxication in Public Place Fine: 100 euros.

    Darwin Court of Summary Jurisdiction 7 April 2010 Unlicensed Uninsured Vehicle Unregistered Vehicle Fine: $400 (all charges)

    Perth Magistrates Court 17 February 2011 Exceed .08% No Authority to Drive Fine: $700 Licence Disqualified for 5 months Fine: $100.

    Perth Magistrates Court 16 October 2012 Exceed .08% No Authority to Drive Fine: $1,600 Licence Disqualified for 18 months Fine: $300 Licence Disqualified for 3 months.

    Joondalup Magistrates Court 5 June 2013 Common Assault* Fine: $900 Fine
    Joondalup Magistrates Court 5 June 2013 Steal Motor Vehicle $500 Fine:
    Joondalup Magistrates Court 5 June 2013 Possesses a Prohibited Drug $300 fine.
    Joondalup Magistrates Court 5 June 2013 Wilfully & Unlawfully Destroy or Damage Property : $300 fine


    * Common Assault was Assaulting his Girlfriend 26h Dec 2012.


    Of course not everyone is defending him, but there are plenty who are saying he is been judged on crimes that happened 12 years ago. Well as anyone who has been through PR will know we are all judged on our past behavior, if you serve more than 12 months custodial sentence its an automatic fail then its up to the minister to approve it.

    You will always have those shoe scrapings who have questionable attitude to the Australian Migration scheme, "the let him in because he is Irish" squad.

    The man in question was on facebook defending himself and really you would think a man in his position would be a bit more tactful when it comes to attitude.
    Swiss poster: Lot of Irish think they have any right to stay here no matter what! Well there are fcuking laws mate! But I can see the next "like this page if u want him stay in oz"

    Man in question in question: Ya and australia immigration r breaching UN laws and human right laws to u muppet. U just wish u were irish. we prob built ur country as well as this country and half the world at that

    The Swiss Poster is right, that's the typical attitude these days.


  • #25
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    AngryHippie wrote: »
    Tracey Grimshaw.

    Even the name stinks of sleaze.


  • #26
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,603 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Mandrake wrote:
    However if he is deported I would feel for his kid not having a father around and also for the family of his victim who are going to see him walking around town.

    I believe there was a court ruling stating that he should be allowed to stay on those grounds. I agree with the principle behind it, its not fair to punish the child due to his past. But in this case, I honestly don't know if the child would be better off with him around or not.


  • #27
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    https://m.facebook.com/comment/replies/?ctoken=10152048064698462_11537272&ft_ent_identifier=10152048064698462&gfid=AQAUJpEHboPlsbZU

    Feel sorry for his family but he built his entire time in Australia on lies.

    Would love to see AAT rulings on allowing murderers and rapists to retain their PR in Australai though. That's crazy if true.


  • #28
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Mellor wrote: »
    I believe there was a court ruling stating that he should be allowed to stay on those grounds. I agree with the principle behind it, its not fair to punish the child due to his past. But in this case, I honestly don't know if the child would be better off with him around or not.

    It's a tribunal not a court, he claims a win but the tribunal ruled he shouldn't be refused which he could then appeal at the MRT. The minister then directly intervened which means no appeal appeal available and it ends now.

    It's a legal playbook, win a folly battle at the cost of losing the war. That's how it's played out.

    If he is deported he will always need misterial approval because of the 12 month rule, if Morrison has denied him a visa now it's unlikely he will in the future unless the man has kept a clean sheet for a long time. Maybe a change of minister or even a change in government.

    There unpaid tax and cost of his detention owing to the commonwealth, which would need to cleared up as well.


  • #29
    zetalambda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    Judging from his criminal history, it doesn't look like he's going to start behaving himself anytime soon.

    Found this online petition looking for supporters which has 524 to date although for all anyone knows that could be his family and friends signing up under multiple aliases.

    http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/minister-for-immigration-and-border-protection-scott-morrison-mp-allow-a-family-stay-together


  • #30
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    zetalambda wrote: »
    Judging from his criminal history, it doesn't look like he's going to start behaving himself anytime soon.

    Found this online petition looking for supporters which has 524 to date although for all anyone knows that could be his family and friends signing up under multiple aliases.

    http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/minister-for-immigration-and-border-protection-scott-morrison-mp-allow-a-family-stay-together

    Going by Facebook he's got a lot of supporters that aren't related.


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  • #31
    Sundy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Sundy


    irishmover wrote: »
    Going by Facebook he's got a lot of supporters that aren't related.

    That all claim what he did to that poor guy back home 'was an accident'

    12 years on and still wont take responsibility for his actions


  • #32
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    zetalambda wrote: »
    Judging from his criminal history, it doesn't look like he's going to start behaving himself anytime soon.

    Found this online petition looking for supporters which has 524 to date although for all anyone knows that could be his family and friends signing up under multiple aliases.

    http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/minister-for-immigration-and-border-protection-scott-morrison-mp-allow-a-family-stay-together

    Not quite the 100,000 they were hoping for.

    Funny how that petition has no details as to why he really is really been refused.


  • #33
    zetalambda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    I don't know him but from reading the AU Echo Facebook comments and from reading the details of his appeal together with his criminal record, he doesn't seem genuine or trustworthy.
    There's a recurring theme of dishonesty in his actions and statements from the time he committed his first assault in 2001 right up until and including his statements in relation to this appeal.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/AATA/2014/29.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=ian%20cronin


  • #34
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    zetalambda wrote: »
    I don't know him but from reading the AU Echo Facebook comments and from reading the details of his appeal together with his criminal record, he doesn't seem genuine or trustworthy.
    There's a recurring theme of dishonesty in his actions and statements from the time he committed his first assault in 2001 right up until and including his statements in relation to this appeal.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/AATA/2014/29.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=ian%20cronin

    His missus and his friends are trying to lead everyone to believe he's a patron saint these days. That he's a changed man since being in prison for four years. That he's been a good man in Australia.

    Well if that link is fully factual they're all a bunch of liars.

    Joondalup Magistrates Court
    5 June 2013
    Common Assault
    Steal Motor Vehicle
    Possesses a Prohibited Drug
    Wilfully & Unlawfully Destroy or Damage Property
    Fine: $900
    Fine: $500
    Fine: $300 on each charge

    That was 6 months ago. Crime committed 3 years after his son was born.

    Give me a break..


  • #35
    zetalambda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    Did you see what he said in his statement for his first assault?

    "Ian says that 2 other men ran down and started hitting and kicking the victim. He says that he does not know the other 2 men who joined in the assault."

    Yeah right, 2 complete strangers just happened to join in the assault. I wonder could they possibly have been part of the gang of 9 people which he admitted were with him just beforehand at K Cabs?


  • #36
    AngryHippie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    The sooner this chap and this other http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057151311 Get put on a plane out of here, the better for Australia as far as I can see. And the better it will be for Irish people over here. Pity those back home that have to deal with them.

    We don't have a copyright or patent on the Moron though. There are plenty of Aussies that manage to rack up similar and worse track records, and the same goes for pretty much every country in the world. The idea behind restricting their travel is good, as it means they can't just up and go somewhere that isn't expecting them. Unfortunately he beat the Aussie system initially as it does depend to a certain extent on honesty, but it will come home to roost, and he'll be deported and excluded, and it will cost him heavily in both coin, and separation from his partner and child.

    I don't know what his problem is, or what his private life is like, but looked at through the scope of sensible immigration screening, he'd be persona non grata. i.e a total liability and borderline headcase.

    Its sad for his family, and even for him, but as far as campaigning for him to stay is concerned ....eh no.


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  • #37
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    mandrake04 wrote: »


    Cork City Circuit Court 8 May 2003 Assault Causing Harm 9 September 2001 2 Years Suspended Sentence. Bound to the Peace for 2 Years.

    Cork City Circuit Court 4 May 2004 Assault Causing Serious Harm 17 February 2002 4 Years Imprisonment.

    Cork City Court No 1 15 November 2004 Criminal Damage 8 Months Imprisonment.

    Cork City Court No 1 24 September 2008 Urinating in Public Contrary to Public Decency Fine: 200 euros.

    Cork City Court No 1 24 September 2008 Intoxication in Public Place Fine: 100 euros.

    Darwin Court of Summary Jurisdiction 7 April 2010 Unlicensed Uninsured Vehicle Unregistered Vehicle Fine: $400 (all charges)

    Perth Magistrates Court 17 February 2011 Exceed .08% No Authority to Drive Fine: $700 Licence Disqualified for 5 months Fine: $100.

    Perth Magistrates Court 16 October 2012 Exceed .08% No Authority to Drive Fine: $1,600 Licence Disqualified for 18 months Fine: $300 Licence Disqualified for 3 months.

    Joondalup Magistrates Court 5 June 2013 Common Assault* Fine: $900 Fine
    Joondalup Magistrates Court 5 June 2013 Steal Motor Vehicle $500 Fine:
    Joondalup Magistrates Court 5 June 2013 Possesses a Prohibited Drug $300 fine.
    Joondalup Magistrates Court 5 June 2013 Wilfully & Unlawfully Destroy or Damage Property : $300 fine


    * Common Assault was Assaulting his Girlfriend 26th Dec 2012.


    Thats a hefty list you dug up there, and fairly obvious being a Father has not changed much in his list, I agree with Mellor would the child be better off without the sad excuse of a man, I mean a Boxing Day beating of the Mother of you're child, I don't know what it says about her that she is willing to stand beside him to be honest but it's fairly obvious Ian Cronin is not a changed man

    I must try and arrange Ian a job with this Aussie fella I know who is the Foreman for one of the biggest painters in Cork, he would love this Bloke... :pac:


  • #38
    Shy Ted
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭Shy Ted


    If his family really do care, why don't they move back to Ireland with him?

    Perhaps they're just keeping up appearances until he is deported. If his partner has any sense at all, she'll remember the beating her gave her & count down the days until he's can't touch her or potentially the kid.


  • #39
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    RPM7 wrote: »
    If his family really do care, why don't they move back to Ireland with him?.

    She has another child to another "Dude", so I'm certain he can stop he moving a certain distance from his residence under Australian Law* so moving to the other side of the world could easily be shot down



    * happy to be corrected.


  • #40
    Shy Ted
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭Shy Ted


    That's make sense alright. Personally, I think she could be dodging a bullet if he is deported.


  • #41
    zetalambda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    Here's a few snaps from inside Perth Immigration Detention Centre, complete with large wide screen TV lounge, pool room, gym, internet terminals, astroturf pitch and more. It's no wonder he's been happy enough to be there for the last 8 months. Probably gets conjugal visits as well.

    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=perth+immigration+detention+centre


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  • #42
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    irishmover wrote: »
    His missus and his friends are trying to lead everyone to believe he's a patron saint these days. That he's a changed man since being in prison for four years. That he's been a good man in Australia.

    Well if that link is fully factual they're all a bunch of liars.

    Joondalup Magistrates Court
    5 June 2013
    Common Assault
    Steal Motor Vehicle
    Possesses a Prohibited Drug
    Wilfully & Unlawfully Destroy or Damage Property
    Fine: $900
    Fine: $500
    Fine: $300 on each charge

    That was 6 months ago. Crime committed 3 years after his son was born.

    Give me a break..

    That link is to the AAT website, the AAT is a tribunal that reviews government decisions. The man in question claims it's a "court" and "the Judge" ruled that in the best intrests of the child he should be considered to being granted a visa, It's not a real court and it's not a real judge but it's true that the body recommended to the Dept of Immigration the family stay together, but the minister intervened because it's in the best intrests of the country.

    The way he is talking you would think this tribunal expunged his entire criminal record, he mentioned on Facebook that those recent crimes didn't matter because they are only minor because the punishment was fines.


  • #43
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Do we know how long he has been illegal?


  • #44
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Zambia wrote: »
    Do we know how long he has been illegal?

    27th Aug 2011


  • #45
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    So he should have been nabbed years ago.


  • #46
    danotroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭danotroy


    He was doing himself no favours on facebook. Claiming that just because he only got fined that those misdemeanors do not matter. The facts are the facts he lied to get into the country, he has committeed further crimes in the county and he has overstayed his visa. He has a son but this does not warrant him being granted permission to stay, what sort of precedent does it set if he is granted a visa? Many others will happily see it as an opportunity to knock up their ozzy girlfriend as they now have a legal precedent to stay. Ian still does not take responsibility for his actions 12 years after effectivly killing a man in a drunken stupor. I know having a kid can happen unplanned but sure he should of realised his deceit on his visa application would not vanish under the carpet like his bashing victim has. It's a sorry situation for the mother and children and I wish them no ill. However, Ian does not deserve to stay. Another lesson for him in the grand scheme of things, but will he learn? Where next off to NZ to blatantly disregard their laws?


  • #47
    irishmover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭irishmover


    Zambia wrote: »
    Do we know how long he has been illegal?

    Technically he's been illegal since 2009. When he decided to tick no to any previous convictions on his first Visa application.


  • #48
    bladebrew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭bladebrew


    The Facebook page is terrifying, absolute idiots posting oh you poor thing etc, I have a driving conviction so I ticked yes on the form for convictions, I got to Australia and was taken aside asked some questions and that was it!, this scumbag clearly ticked no because he knew he would be turned down so as irishmover said he was pretty much always illegal!
    He should be sent back to Ireland, in fact anyone on a temporary visa who commits a crime should be sent home!


  • #49
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    I'm waiting for someone to try and defend him, I suppose this Visa cheat is hard to spin any sort of defence on, I mean a woman beating, lying, cheating.... i could go on and on and on and on about it really

    Anywho they seem to be proud of him on Facebook, how come there are none here???


  • #50
    Shy Ted
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭Shy Ted


    The Aussie wrote: »
    I'm waiting for someone to try and defend him, I suppose this Visa cheat is hard to spin any sort of defence on, I mean a woman beating, lying, cheating.... i could go on and on and on and on about it really

    Anywho they seem to be proud of him on Facebook, how come there are none here???

    Good point. I was wondering the same.
    I was thinking of leaving a comment on the Echo's facebook page myself, but I'd probably end up being inundated with hate messages from the thug's supporters.
    Hardly anyone references why he is being deported.

    I particularly like this comment.
    Hes got a family now so y should they suffer-good luck anyways ian anyone thats not pig ignorant will see why u should stay there!
    :confused::confused::confused:

    I've been following this thread with great interest. I'm planning on getting PR later this year, and one thing that puts me off going (but won't really) is knowing that people like Ian are out there.
    I know there's people like that here in Ireland too, but stories like this and the king-hits get way too much coverage from the press.


  • #51
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    In the Irish Echo's latest dribble they are still painting the Minister as the evil Boogeyman, with facts of this Langers past coming out of the woodwork they are still publicly ejaculating because of what country he was born in...

    However, on January 23 the AAT ruled that “the low risk of future harm by the applicant is a risk which the Australian community, having regard to all the circumstances of the case, should be prepared to tolerate”.

    Is this the same sort of broken system that allowed Adrian Ernest Bailey back on the streets that says that this Toe Jam is a risk that the Community should be prepared to tolerate, putting aside his voilent streak that comes to the surface at any opportunity his continual drink driving could have a far more impact than any incident in Cork in 2002 could ever have.
    But this week the Minister directly intervened and decided to overrule the decision of the court, and the crime which he committed in Cork in 2002 was cited as the main reason.

    The AAT got it wrong (to the best of my understanding the AAT do not sit in a Court either) and also fair play to the Minister for sticking his hand up and saying "ah lads, pull the other one will ya"

    http://www.irishecho.com.au/2014/02/27/deported-irish-father-split-from-australian-family/30842


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