No public enquiry in Pat Finucane Murder

The_Fitz · 02-12-2020 12:20am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Can you link me to the court case where the British government were found guilty of being complicit in the murder of Pat Finnucane? If not then "until such a case is brought to court to prove otherwise with sufficient evidence" there is no proof to your claim!

You dont get to pick and choose guilt/innocence based in your own beliefs, if you insist on a court case/evidence of guilt for one you must insist on the same for all.

Anything else is just hypocrisy.

I don't think it's really up for debate that the British state fingered Pat Finucane, provided the weapon, and had one of their agents carry out the execution.

What this inquiry would hopefully have found, is just how high up the orders came. The British held themselves above what they called terrorists, the least they can do is allow a full investigation to show what really happened here.

end of the road · 02-12-2020 1:48am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Can you link me to the court case where the British government were found guilty of being complicit in the murder of Pat Finnucane? If not then "until such a case is brought to court to prove otherwise with sufficient evidence" there is no proof to your claim!

You dont get to pick and choose guilt/innocence based in your own beliefs, if you insist on a court case/evidence of guilt for one you must insist on the same for all.

Anything else is just hypocrisy.

the british refuse to hold a public enquirey into the murder, they white washed enquiries in relation to bloody sunday and they have admitted collusion in relation to this and other murders, an article showing one example has been posted a couple of posts up.
i am satisfied that britain has unintentionally provided sufficient evidence to show it's guilt, nothing has been provided to show adams was in the IRA.
cards on the table, i couldn't care a less whether our boy was in the IRA or not, he was a brilliant politician and is a hero for his work in the peace process, and that wouldn't change if it turned out he had been a member.

KarlMarks · 02-12-2020 3:29am

My message was deleted without warning but it doesn't matter who or what Pat represnted as a solicitor. If a member of the judiciary was murdered in Wales, Scotland or the Falkland islands then there would be an enquiry into what happened when he was murdered. Justice is only for when you can be there to talk about it. RIP

downcow · 02-12-2020 6:13am

end of the road wrote: »

the british refuse to hold a public enquirey into the murder, they white washed enquiries in relation to bloody sunday and they have admitted collusion in relation to this and other murders, an article showing one example has been posted a couple of posts up.
i am satisfied that britain has unintentionally provided sufficient evidence to show it's guilt, nothing has been provided to show adams was in the IRA.
cards on the table, i couldn't care a less whether our boy was in the IRA or not, he was a brilliant politician and is a hero for his work in the peace process, and that wouldn't change if it turned out he had been a member.

....and what if you found a politician had organised the sectarian murder of civlans in La Mon House, targeted because it was used predominantly by Protestants? Would you still say it would change nothing?

downcow · 02-12-2020 6:22am

KarlMarks wrote: »

My message was deleted without warning but it doesn't matter who or what Pat represnted as a solicitor. If a member of the judiciary was murdered in Wales, Scotland or the Falkland islands then there would be an enquiry into what happened when he was murdered. Justice is only for when you can be there to talk about it. RIP

Many solicitors and judges have been murdered and I can’t remember a public enquiry for any of them. Would you care to give us some examples?

Junkyard Tom · 02-12-2020 6:29am

downcow wrote: »

Absolutely the Brits were involved in the Patsy Gillespie killing. One of their big agents 'the fisherman' was at the heart of arranging that attack.

This is truly bizarre. Are you saying the British colluded with the Provos to blow up their own soldiers?

joeguevara · 02-12-2020 6:41am

downcow wrote: »

Many solicitors and judges have been murdered and I can’t remember a public enquiry for any of them. Would you care to give us some examples?

Usually when some one is murdered there is a clear assailant and no need for an inquiry. Good example is https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/murdered-cold-blood-prestons-judge-william-openshaw-was-killed-man-he-sent-prison-231773%3famp

Here a person who the judge previously sent to jail murdered him.

It is so disappointing that some posters have written Mr Finucanes murder off as part and parcel of the conflict. In any society the most important thing in the legal system is the fact that people are innocent until proven guilty. Mr Finucane represent both natiolist and loyalist was their human right. If legal practicioners believes that by providing representation will put their or their families lives in danger could mean the disintegration of natural justice.

There were allegations of membership but if so it could have been dealt with legally. The fact that the government obviously colluded with paramilitaries is one of the most heinous actions in the troubles.

In international humanitarian law or the law of armed conflict, it is one of the most serious breaches to execute a civilian knowingly. Even worse if sanctioned by national powers. I know that some would argue that the troubles were not an armed conflict as it was against terrorists, but international law is arguably against that.. UN have recognised national liberation armies as combatants dependent on structure, actions etc.
But if civilian lawyers are executed it forces worse retribution. Interesting article here scholarship.law.duke.edu › cgiPDF
Reappraising the Legal Status of IRA Prisoners at the Height of the ...

With regards an inquiry, transitional justice has helped but if no one noteworthy is found at fault then it can stir up hostilities. Also if some senior government officials were found guilty then it possibly could lead. To serious charges up to and including war crimes (theoretically).

FrancieBrady · 02-12-2020 9:21am

downcow wrote: »

....and what if you found a politician had organised the sectarian murder of civlans in La Mon House, targeted because it was used predominantly by Protestants? Would you still say it would change nothing?

downcow wrote: »

Many solicitors and judges have been murdered and I can’t remember a public enquiry for any of them. Would you care to give us some examples?

You have to establish 'grounds' for a public inquiry.
Have 'public inquiries' been refused in these cases? If so, you need to look to the British court system and point the finger there. The Finucane's have been campaigning for years for this, as the Bloody Sunday victims etc were too.

As you know the British are deaf to the pursuit of justice and have to be dragged to account.

downcow · 02-12-2020 9:43am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

This is truly bizarre. Are you saying the British colluded with the Provos to blow up their own soldiers?

You are saying agents were involved in the finucane killing. I am assuring you that an agent in the pay of the british security services planned the Gillespie killing. Does that shock you?

downcow · 02-12-2020 9:46am

joeguevara wrote: »

Usually when some one is murdered there is a clear assailant and no need for an inquiry. Good example is https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/murdered-cold-blood-prestons-judge-william-openshaw-was-killed-man-he-sent-prison-231773%3famp

Here a person who the judge previously sent to jail murdered him.

It is so disappointing that some posters have written Mr Finucanes murder off as part and parcel of the conflict. In any society the most important thing in the legal system is the fact that people are innocent until proven guilty. Mr Finucane represent both natiolist and loyalist was their human right. If legal practicioners believes that by providing representation will put their or their families lives in danger could mean the disintegration of natural justice.

There were allegations of membership but if so it could have been dealt with legally. The fact that the government obviously colluded with paramilitaries is one of the most heinous actions in the troubles.

In international humanitarian law or the law of armed conflict, it is one of the most serious breaches to execute a civilian knowingly. Even worse if sanctioned by national powers. I know that some would argue that the troubles were not an armed conflict as it was against terrorists, but international law is arguably against that.. UN have recognised national liberation armies as combatants dependent on structure, actions etc.
But if civilian lawyers are executed it forces worse retribution. Interesting article here scholarship.law.duke.edu › cgiPDF
Reappraising the Legal Status of IRA Prisoners at the Height of the ...

With regards an inquiry, transitional justice has helped but if no one noteworthy is found at fault then it can stir up hostilities. Also if some senior government officials were found guilty then it possibly could lead. To serious charges up to and including war crimes (theoretically).

Edgar Graham

FrancieBrady · 02-12-2020 9:52am

downcow wrote: »

Edwin Graham

His name was 'Edgar' Graham.

McMurphy · 02-12-2020 9:57am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This innocent man just tried to run a business

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/08/21/IRA-claims-responsibility-for-contractors-murder/2625493444800/

These innocent men were working to feed their families

https://apnews.com/article/f2de876145c0ea1144a800da4e623d2b

This 6 month old baby never even got to have a life

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/baby-killed-by-ira-remembered-30-years-on-38631631.html

Or how about a chef who was kidnapped and forced to drive a bomb to a checkpoint and was blown up by the IRA?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/10/24/news/-barbaric-and-cowardly-coshquin-human-bombing-remembered-30-years-on-2108550/

I'm not saying Pat Finnucane deserved to die just because of the work he did, his murder was a terrible thing, but to see the usual.IRA supporters in here wringing their hands over his death when their own heroes killed innocent people just because of the work they did is hypocrisy to say the least.

All tragic uncalled for deaths too, no doubt about it, but I'm confused here, was any sovereign government implicated in colluding with the killers in those cases?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

His name was 'Edgar' Graham.

He's already been corrected on that and skipped past it.

UDAWINNER · 02-12-2020 10:14am

downcow wrote: »

Many solicitors and judges have been murdered and I can’t remember a public enquiry for any of them. Would you care to give us some examples?

How many of these had reported state collusion involved in the murder. Would you agree with an enquiry if Finucane had been a loyalist, Arlene and her ilk would have put up a statue of him if this had been the case.

UDAWINNER · 02-12-2020 10:16am

McMurphy wrote: »

All tragic uncalled for deaths too, no doubt about it, but I'm confused here, was any sovereign government implicated in colluding with the killers in those cases?

He's already been corrected on that and skipped past it.

That question does not not suit their agenda and won't be answered

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-12-2020 10:52am

McMurphy wrote: »

All tragic uncalled for deaths too, no doubt about it, but I'm confused here, was any sovereign government implicated in colluding with the killers in those cases?

He's already been corrected on that and skipped past it.

Implication does not equal guilt though, its implied that Gerry Adams was in the IRA and signed off on the murders of innocent people, does the implication make Adams guilty of those crimes?

McMurphy · 02-12-2020 10:58am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Implication does not equal guilt though, its implied that Gerry Adams was in the IRA and signed off on the murders of innocent people, does the implication make Adams guilty of those crimes?

Hence why a public inquiry is needed.

It's been explained to you multiple times already how government collusion sets these type of killings apart from others, and warrants same, but if you want to keep your head buried in the sand, far be it from me to stop you doing so.

Hamsterchops · 02-12-2020 12:03pm

For what it's worth, I think the murderers should be hunted down and imprisoned for life (if they're not already in prison), then the people who orchestrated & planned the murder should also be sought out and brought to justice. If there were 'bent" security personnel then obviously they too should have the same punishment as the toerag who actually pulled the trigger.

Never understood why her was shot? For what reason was he singled out and killed? Yes I know he defended IRA killers, but then why make things worse by killing him too? Tit for tat? Or just pure hatred & ignorance, I don't know.

igCorcaigh · 02-12-2020 12:04pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

For what it's worth, I think the murderers should be hunted down and imprisoned for life (if they're not already in prison), then the people who orchestrated & planned the murder should also be sought out and brought to justice. If there were 'bent" security personnel then obviously they too should have the same punishment as the toerag who actually pulled the trigger.

Never understood why her was shot? For what reason was he singled out and killed? Yes I know he defended IRA killers, but then why make things worse by killing him too? Tit for tat? Or just pure hatred & ignorance, I don't know.

Did he not defend loyalist paramilitary figures too, or am I misremembering?

Hamsterchops · 02-12-2020 12:14pm

I don't know, but I do remember hearing that he'd defended some IRA people in court, hence the Loyalist mob then decided to target him? Ironic if he defended their lot too.

igCorcaigh · 02-12-2020 12:18pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Did he not defend loyalist paramilitary figures too, or am I misremembering?

To answer my own question:

"Mr Finucane, a 39-year-old solicitor who represented both republican and loyalist paramilitaries during the Troubles, was shot dead in his family home in north Belfast in February 1989."

https://news.sky.com/story/pat-finucane-government-decides-against-public-inquiry-over-murder-of-belfast-solicitor-12147061

McMurphy · 02-12-2020 12:26pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Did he not defend loyalist paramilitary figures too, or am I misremembering?

He did. From the BBC

What led to his murder was the fact he was a well-known defence solicitor who frequently acted for high-profile IRA members. He also represented loyalists

Bit of a conundrum for some of the lads trying to handwave it away and imply "he deserved it." tbh.

blanch152 · 02-12-2020 12:33pm

McMurphy wrote: »

He did. From the BBC

Bit of a conundrum for some of the lads trying to handwave it away and imply "he deserved it." tbh.

Nobody deserves to be murdered.

The killing of Finucane was wrong. Any collusion by security forces in his murder was wrong. In the absence of any resolution his murder, there should be a public inquiry. Normal people will accept all of that.

What does strike a discordant note is the plaintive cries from Sinn Fein on this issue who for decades have protected murderers and other criminals from the full force of justice, most recently when a witness in the Brady case had to seek permission from the party to testify.

Thankfully, the government down here have led extremely well on the issue with tact and diplomacy, I am sure you will agree.

The_Fitz · 02-12-2020 12:42pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

For what it's worth, I think the murderers should be hunted down and imprisoned for life (if they're not already in prison), then the people who orchestrated & planned the murder should also be sought out and brought to justice. If there were 'bent" security personnel then obviously they too should have the same punishment as the toerag who actually pulled the trigger.

Never understood why her was shot? For what reason was he singled out and killed? Yes I know he defended IRA killers, but then why make things worse by killing him too? Tit for tat? Or just pure hatred & ignorance, I don't know.

It is believed that the British state selected him simply because he was a good solicitor.

If you look at it from the British point of view, they are mounting a full scale campaign to eradicate what they see as a terrorist threat to their authority. They arrested people, put them through the judicial system and this solicitor was either getting them off because they were innocent, or getting them off due to a calamity of an investigation etc (i.e. no evidence, bungled etc).

McMurphy · 02-12-2020 12:53pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Nobody deserves to be murdered.

The killing of Finucane was wrong. Any collusion by security forces in his murder was wrong. In the absence of any resolution his murder, there should be a public inquiry. Normal people will accept all of that.

What does strike a discordant note is the plaintive cries from Sinn Fein on this issue who for decades have protected murderers and other criminals from the full force of justice, most recently when a witness in the Brady case had to seek permission from the party to testify.

Thankfully, the government down here have led extremely well on the issue with tact and diplomacy, I am sure you will agree.

There is a dedicated thread to get your "whataboutery Sinn Fein" obsession rocks off, this one is about state collusion and the murder of a civilian lawyer.

It would be a shame if you were allowed to turn another thread into a Sinn Fein one tbh.

Normal One · 02-12-2020 1:01pm

The_Fitz wrote: »

It is believed that the British state selected him simply because he was a good solicitor.

If you look at it from the British point of view, they are mounting a full scale campaign to eradicate what they see as a terrorist threat to their authority. They arrested people, put them through the judicial system and this solicitor was either getting them off because they were innocent, or getting them off due to a calamity of an investigation etc (i.e. no evidence, bungled etc).

This is the crux of it, in my opinion. He wasn't targeted by loyalists; he was selected by the brit establishment. The loyalists just did their dirty work.

downcow · 02-12-2020 1:12pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I don't know, but I do remember hearing that he'd defended some IRA people in court, hence the Loyalist mob then decided to target him? Ironic if he defended their lot too.

Your language is illuminating.
“Ira people” & “loyalist mob” & “their lot”

blanch152 · 02-12-2020 1:15pm

McMurphy wrote: »

There is a dedicated thread to get your "whataboutery Sinn Fein" obsession rocks off, this one is about state collusion and the murder of a civilian lawyer.

It would be a shame if you were allowed to turn another thread into a Sinn Fein one tbh.

You didn't answer the question.

blanch152 wrote: »

Thankfully, the government down here have led extremely well on the issue with tact and diplomacy, I am sure you will agree.

FrancieBrady · 02-12-2020 1:33pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Nobody deserves to be murdered.

The killing of Finucane was wrong. Any collusion by security forces in his murder was wrong. In the absence of any resolution his murder, there should be a public inquiry. Normal people will accept all of that.

What does strike a discordant note is the plaintive cries from Sinn Fein on this issue who for decades have protected murderers and other criminals from the full force of justice, most recently when a witness in the Brady case had to seek permission from the party to testify.

Thankfully, the government down here have led extremely well on the issue with tact and diplomacy, I am sure you will agree.

I will give you my opinion on the government's leadership just as soon as I hear if the Foreign Minister now calls out the British 'for not being interested in reconciliation' as he implied before this announcement was made and outlines what action he is going to take on foot of that.

blanch152 · 02-12-2020 1:36pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I will give you my opinion on the government's leadership just as soon as I hear if the Foreign Minister now calls out the British 'for not being interested in reconciliation' as he implied before this announcement was made and outlines what action he is going to take on foot of that.

I suppose that nothing short of invasion, which you wanted for 1969, will be sufficient to satisfy you?

We have bigger fish to fry with the Brexit deal.

piplip87 · 02-12-2020 1:42pm

Its absolutely disgraceful that there is no enquiry into this.

Time for a truth and reconciliation commission. No other people can be charged, tried or convicted of anything that happened during the troubles.

Every act carried out by both sides needs examining, any state collusion needs to be found.

What this is turning into is SF supporters calling every act carried out by the British/Loyalists a murder that should be investigated while calling every IRA victim collateral damage and getting outraged when somebody brings them up. Its absolute hypocrisy and it amounts to nothing more than using victims as political pawns to rely and justify their own murders.

You don't hear too many SF supporters calling for inquiries for the deaths of lawyer, judges and other legal experts they murdered ?

The exact same can be said of Unionism too. They turn a blind eye to their own murderers while looking for enquiries into everything the IRA did.

Same Scum different religion......

Hamsterchops · 02-12-2020 1:45pm

downcow wrote: »

Your language is illuminating.
“Ira people” & “loyalist mob” & “their lot”

My bad, scum should have replaced people.

Normal One · 02-12-2020 1:52pm

piplip87 wrote: »

Its absolutely disgraceful that there is no enquiry into this.

Time for a truth and reconciliation commission. No other people can be charged, tried or convicted of anything that happened during the troubles.

Every act carried out by both sides needs examining, any state collusion needs to be found.

What this is turning into is SF supporters calling every act carried out by the British/Loyalists a murder that should be investigated while calling every IRA victim collateral damage and getting outraged when somebody brings them up. Its absolute hypocrisy and it amounts to nothing more than using victims as political pawns to rely and justify their own murders.

You don't hear too many SF supporters calling for inquiries for the deaths of lawyer, judges and other legal experts they murdered ?

The exact same can be said of Unionism too. They turn a blind eye to their own murderers while looking for enquiries into everything the IRA did.

Same Scum different religion......

I'm fairly sure that the only party calling for a truth and reconciliation process is SF. I guess they know that others have a lot more to lose. Make of that what you will.

FrancieBrady · 02-12-2020 1:52pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I suppose that nothing short of invasion, which you wanted for 1969, will be sufficient to satisfy you?

We have bigger fish to fry with the Brexit deal.

Oh dear...why didn't you go for the 'we're in the middle of a pandemic, justice can wait' one. :rolleyes:

political analyst · 02-12-2020 2:45pm

The British government acknowledged there was collusion in Pat Finucane's murder. But why do his wife and children believe the collusion was authorised at Cabinet level? After all, the initiative for the collusion came from some officers in RUC Special Branch, not Downing Street.

end of the road · 02-12-2020 3:26pm

downcow wrote: »

....and what if you found a politician had organised the sectarian murder of civlans in La Mon House, targeted because it was used predominantly by Protestants? Would you still say it would change nothing?

the targeting of civilians is never justified.
anyone actually responsible for deliberately targeting civilians must be punished.

smurgen · 02-12-2020 4:04pm

Normal One wrote: »

This is the crux of it, in my opinion. He wasn't targeted by loyalists; he was selected by the brit establishment. The loyalists just did their dirty work.

Remember this was the same government that approached paramilitaries to shoot up an entire school. I wouldn't put anything past them.

political analyst · 02-12-2020 4:11pm

smurgen wrote: »

Remember this was the same government that approached paramilitaries to shoot up an entire school. I wouldn't put anything past them.

That is an unsubstantiated allegation made by sectarian murderer John Weir. If it was true then why didn't he say it when he was on trial for murder?

end of the road · 02-12-2020 4:44pm

political analyst wrote: »

That is an unsubstantiated allegation made by sectarian murderer John Weir. If it was true then why didn't he say it when he was on trial for murder?

because it would likely have been deemed irrelevant to the case by the judge.
anyway, this plan was highly likely true, in fact i am under no doubt that it was.

nacho libre · 02-12-2020 4:55pm

tdf7187 wrote: »

I
Their push-back on setting up on inquiry, by contrast to, say, Bloody Sunday, suggests that the collusion extended to much more senior on the food chain than has been hitherto acknowledged. That's what they don't want coming out and in my view is the logical conclusion. With Bloody Sunday - much as I condemn it - they were able to attempt to pin the blame on a few individual grunts on the ground. Obviously, with the Finucane murder, they must run the risk of opening a huge can of worms if they were to look into it properly.

Yes. It is likely Gordon had a direct line to senior figures in the British Government. Those who have a high regard for the British Army don't want to admit what the FRU were licensed to do, and who was backing the FRU. This inquiry not going ahead is the same reason Freddie was never going to see the inside of a court.

The fate of Steaknife is the one thing the IRA and the British establishment can agree on.

downcow · 02-12-2020 6:34pm

Normal One wrote: »

I'm fairly sure that the only party calling for a truth and reconciliation process is SF. I guess they know that others have a lot more to lose. Make of that what you will.

Sf would not go within 100 miles of real truth. And in fairness neither will any of the actors state or not

downcow · 02-12-2020 6:36pm

end of the road wrote: »

the targeting of civilians is never justified.
anyone actually responsible for deliberately targeting civilians must be punished.

So why no enquiry into the activities of your TD who overseen it. It was on his patch and was in charge (even though he was never in the ira)
The bomb left catholic west Belfast and had a very risky journey right accross Belfast to be sure it got prods

FrancieBrady · 02-12-2020 6:53pm

downcow wrote: »

So why no enquiry into the activities of your TD who overseen it. It was on his patch and was in charge (even though he was never in the ira)
The bomb left catholic west Belfast and had a very risky journey right accross Belfast to be sure it got prods

There have been several.

FrancieBrady · 02-12-2020 7:16pm

downcow wrote: »

Sf would not go within 100 miles of real truth. And in fairness neither will any of the actors state or not

Well we do have some evidence that your contention is wrong f we look at the only 'truth' recovery process that we have. SF and the IRA have engaged with it. Mechanisms to deal with legacy issues can be constructed, ithe problem is, there are those who don't want to engage with them. So far, that is not SF or the IRA as the poster says.

Crucial…once the Republican leadership – both Sinn Féin and the IRA – engaged with this issue properly and created their own structures in order to manage it, that’s when the issue begins to be resolved…It doesn’t work until you have that top-down commitment to making it work. So it’s absolutely central.

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/globalassets/documents/raise/knowledge_exchange/briefing_papers/series7/dempster180418.pdf

Normal One · 02-12-2020 7:21pm

downcow wrote: »

Sf would not go within 100 miles of real truth. And in fairness neither will any of the actors state or not

That's conjecture, nothing more. As we saw yesterday and on numerous other occasions, the brits avoid truth even when it's staring right at them.

Normal One · 02-12-2020 7:22pm

political analyst wrote: »

The British government acknowledged there was collusion in Pat Finucane's murder. But why do his wife and children believe the collusion was authorised at Cabinet level? After all, the initiative for the collusion came from some officers in RUC Special Branch, not Downing Street.

Douglas Hogg.

lalababa · 02-12-2020 7:40pm

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

It was a dirty war and he was fair game. He knew the risks defending IRA
People who were informers or suspected informers were got rid of by the IRA. Workmen civilian staff and so on who worked on British bases were targetted.
Partime UDR and RUC members were attacked off duty and pubs where British soldiers drank were bombed as were commercial properties and businesses vital to the Northern Ireland economy.
The IRA tried to take out Thatcher and her cabinet in Brighton and mortared Major in No 10. Mountbatten was sympathetic to Irish unity but was killed because he was a Royal.
A BBC tv presenter who offered an award to anyone who ratted on IRA gunman and bombers on the loose in the UK in the 1970s was shot on his doorstep.
British soldiers who came home in bodybags and IRA members killed in shoot to kill operations knew the risks.
The IRA figured out if they bombed the financial heart of London they could make more of an impact than any mortars or bombs or gun attacks in Northern Ireland.
So Finucane was fair game.

Yellow card for having an opinion?
What's de stoory Roory??

downcow · 02-12-2020 9:09pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There have been several.

Just give us evidence of a single public inquiry into the murder of a solicitor in Northern Ireland.. You really talk some nonsense Francie

FrancieBrady · 02-12-2020 9:32pm

downcow wrote: »

Just give us evidence of a single public inquiry into the murder of a solicitor in Northern Ireland.. You really talk some nonsense Francie

This was your question:

So why no enquiry into the activities of your TD who overseen it.

I said there have been 'several' inquiries into his activities.

There will be no 'public inquiries' into a killing unless there is a suggestion/allegation of STATE involvement in it, or state incompetence. Wish you could take that on board.

political analyst · 02-12-2020 9:42pm

end of the road wrote: »

because it would likely have been deemed irrelevant to the case by the judge.
anyway, this plan was highly likely true, in fact i am under no doubt that it was.

He could still have told journalists at the time - but he didn't. The allegation is clearly lurid - Loyalists carried out massacres with gun attacks in pubs and car bombs but attacking schools when there were staff and pupils present wasn't their modus operandi and it wasn't British intelligence's modus operandi either.

political analyst · 02-12-2020 9:44pm

Normal One wrote: »

Douglas Hogg.

Hogg made that statement on the basis of advice he received from senior RUC officers. If the intelligence was false, that's not his fault.

No public enquiry in Pat Finucane Murder

Comments